Bond #24: SPECTRE

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Whenever it comes together. Current hoo-hah:

Sam Mendes has reportedly been seriously considering helming the 24th James Bond installment now it will be a stand-alone film.
Sam Mendes is ''75 per cent'' sure he will direct the next James Bond film.
The 'Skyfall' filmmaker has allegedly revoked his decision not to direct the 24th instalment of the popular spy franchise now screenwriter John Logan has scrapped plans to write a two-part story.
The next two chapters were initially rumoured to form one continuous storyline, which would have been a big commitment and needed to be shot back-to-back over a four year period.
According to a report by the MailOnline, the director is reluctant to commit until he sees John's finished script, but is likely to sign on for the job.
Sources claim the plot for the next 007 adventure is currently in the form of two treatment papers outlining the basic details. Only producers Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson are said to have seen the blueprint so far.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 17 February 2013 14:10 (eight years ago) link

Direction was solid enough, photo was great. What Skyfall lacked was in the script, and while the same guy is writing this movie that doesn't really mean anything at all and there's a solid chance Bond #24 will take what was good in Skyfall and wrap a better story around it.

Because most of it can basically be fixed by having another villain. And Broccoli and her brother will do their thang regardless of who's working on the movie so it's only as good as they say it'll be.

One director doing more Bond films in a row is something I've wanted, and while I'd rather see Martin Campbell do it Mendes seems to work smoothly as a Broccoli henchman, not interferring too much.

Let's only hope Logan has written in a female character that's not useless, now Moneypenny is back and M gone.

abcfsk, Sunday, 17 February 2013 14:21 (eight years ago) link

There's more chance it's shit again, really. Not like they had to introduce characters or anything last time, so why assume anything will be better this time round?

birmingham six, guildford four, mumford & sons (darraghmac), Sunday, 17 February 2013 17:37 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

writer mither

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=41415

piscesx, Monday, 30 June 2014 03:49 (seven years ago) link

four months pass...

Christoph Waltz for the baddie! http://www.slashfilm.com/christoph-waltz-bond-24/

piscesx, Friday, 14 November 2014 01:29 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Spectre!

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=42910

piscesx, Thursday, 4 December 2014 11:23 (six years ago) link

live feed from the announcement: http://youtu.be/2khljj3VKAw

painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Thursday, 4 December 2014 11:37 (six years ago) link

So, the return of SPECTRE, the gender roles at MI5 reversed to their "proper" order (male boss, female secretary), a German bad guy, a huge, muscly henchman... Looks like they really want to go back to the good ol' days of the franchise, no?

Tuomas, Thursday, 4 December 2014 11:58 (six years ago) link

Looking forward to this, Waltz pretty much born to play a Bond baddie.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 4 December 2014 12:40 (six years ago) link

Looks like they really want to go back to the good ol' days of the franchise, no?

As oppossed to the politically nuanced post-feminist leanings of recent outings?

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 4 December 2014 12:42 (six years ago) link

Well they killed off the series' main female character and made the film's main female character, originally an active spy, a one-note-joke secretary so yes, I think it's fair to say Skyfall represented a big step down or backwards or whatever. At least some interesting female characters is all I ask for from SPECTRE. That and a much better film of course.

abcfsk, Thursday, 4 December 2014 12:48 (six years ago) link

Also: James Bond Will Drive A Fiat 500 And Everyone Is Freaking Out

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 4 December 2014 12:56 (six years ago) link

James Bond Spectre: Lea Seydoux and Monica Bellucci to play leading ladies

(did not know Bellucci lost to Teri Hatcher in Tomorrow Never Dies. Also, WTF?))

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 4 December 2014 13:01 (six years ago) link

Presumably Bellucci will be playing an antagonist, because she's too old to be a "proper" Bond girl? Though it would be cool if the movie had a romantic interest older than Bond for change (even though the age difference between her and Craig is only 4 years.)

Tuomas, Thursday, 4 December 2014 14:07 (six years ago) link

girl in the last one didn't have much to do except get shot and then quipped at by our Jim.

piscesx, Thursday, 4 December 2014 14:17 (six years ago) link

as long as Waltz strokes a cat, right?

things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 December 2014 22:42 (six years ago) link

two months pass...

tasty

http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi3875712537/

piscesx, Thursday, 12 February 2015 09:11 (six years ago) link

I remember there was a thread about the longest film series but can't find it : surely it's Bond, yes ?

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 12 February 2015 15:36 (six years ago) link

well if the "same" production unit has to be involved (ie the Broccolis) i suppose so

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 February 2015 15:57 (six years ago) link

five months pass...

So!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTDaET-JweU

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 15:59 (six years ago) link

I remember there was a thread about the longest film series but can't find it : surely it's Bond, yes ?

7 UP has been going 49 years with the same director and cast!

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 16:01 (six years ago) link

the secret key to longevity is michael apted

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 16:14 (six years ago) link

"It was me, James. The author of all your pain." That's a p good line.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 16:36 (six years ago) link

you want Skyfall remake? we got Skyfall remake!

piscesx, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 16:55 (six years ago) link

None of the Craig Bonds are very memorable, are they? Exciting in the theater, but then kind of a blur afterward, too many locales packed in, too many femme fatales per movie.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:01 (six years ago) link

casino royale is vv memorable imo. I barely remember a thing about quantum of solace except that moment where bond makes all the bad guys feel awkward about using their cell phones or whatever during a theater performance. skyfall is super impressive dumb garbage.

nomar, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:05 (six years ago) link

xxpost -- yeah my girlfriend (a stone cold Bond fan in general, loves the Craig Bonds thoroughly) said similar. In that the series has never had quite this specific an arc, though, it's been interesting to see it play out over four films now, Skyfall itself being the most tangential.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:06 (six years ago) link

Is this the last Craig Bond?

a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:10 (six years ago) link

In that the series has never had quite this specific an arc

closest thing was probably you only live twice/ohmss/diamonds, shame about the bookends there

Casino Royale is the one I remember the most about, though not much, and it's been the one I haven't seen for the longest. QoS and Skyfall were exciting in the theater, but I remember almost nothing.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:13 (six years ago) link

casino royale might as well be 'bullitt' considering how relatively stripped down it is, though the final act has a fair chunk of padding to say the least. Good padding imo but still...

nomar, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:15 (six years ago) link

is it worth seeing '.. Solace' if you loved the 2 slices of Bond-bread either side? it got such a kicking that i never bothered.

piscesx, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:19 (six years ago) link

CR is still easily the best Bond i've ever seen.

piscesx, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:19 (six years ago) link

QoS is the least essential of the Craig Bond films.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:25 (six years ago) link

Is this the last Craig Bond?

I think he signed up for two more, so next to last. (Unless it's extended after that -- could be, Roger Moore's run remains the longest at 8 films/12 years and Craig's currently at 4 films/9 years with one more to come, so who knows?)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:27 (six years ago) link

QoS is the least essential of the Craig Bond films.

And yet oddly Spectre is clearly playing on the fact that the escape of the Mr. White character in QoS is a key part of the whole thing; it's been an element of both trailers now. I wonder how much if any direct flashback/explanation they're going to put into the film.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:30 (six years ago) link

QoS I just thought was bad in kind of a boring way, but Skyfall I really hated. My reflexive disgust for the Mendesian pomposity of it was a major contributing factor though I'll admit

Number None, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:39 (six years ago) link

i'd said it elsewhere but i think skyfall, for all its really impressive staging, really diminishes the more you think about it. not just for the gross sexual politics and the half-hearted winks at bond tropes but for the actual stupidity of the characters, and of course the blandness and unoriginality of silva as a villain (in terms of persona, motivation, and execution of his goals) that is only masked by bardem being an incredible actor.

nomar, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:46 (six years ago) link

I didn't mind QoS - it is pretty humourless and brutal, though, and not the traditional kind of crowd-pleasing Bond film. It's Craig's Licence to Kill or For Your Eyes Only, if you like - both of which I have a soft spot for, so. Personally, I thought it looked better than the over-praised Skyfall, too.

painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:56 (six years ago) link

you want Skyfall remake? we got Skyfall remake!

pretty blatantly On Her Majesty's Secret Service remake, down to the quotes from the original score in this one

regret it? nope. reddit? yep. (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 23:31 (six years ago) link

I've said it before, but the plot of Skyfall is completely nonsensical once you think about it, it's all just an excuse to show pretty locales and cool pictures. Which of course makes it the best Bond in a loooong time. QoS is pretty forgettable, but the scene at the opera is great as mentioned upthread. Especially because Mr White is the only one with the cool to simply stay and slip away with the rest of the audience. Mr White is so amazing, and I only partly say that because I'm such a big fan of Jesper Christensen.

Frederik B, Thursday, 23 July 2015 00:05 (six years ago) link

I think I love the fact that nothing in Skyfall makes sense. Most action films just have plotholes. Skyfall really is one of those rare films that just don't care.

Frederik B, Thursday, 23 July 2015 00:09 (six years ago) link

I bet you're a Prometheus fan

Number None, Thursday, 23 July 2015 00:10 (six years ago) link

I've actually just dvr'ed it. But from what I've seen of it, clips and trailers and such, I think it's ugly. I mean, the point of Skyfall is that it discards plot to focus on imagery.

Frederik B, Thursday, 23 July 2015 00:12 (six years ago) link

two months pass...

Well Sam Smith's done the theme tune and it's bloody awful.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 25 September 2015 08:38 (six years ago) link

I don't care for Sam Smith but a Bond 'I Will Survive' kinda works.

abcfsk, Friday, 25 September 2015 09:02 (six years ago) link

Really doesn't imo.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 25 September 2015 10:00 (six years ago) link

I'm not really into Sam Smith, but this seems very dull.

Mark G, Friday, 25 September 2015 10:09 (six years ago) link

It's crap.

aaaaablnnn (abanana), Saturday, 26 September 2015 03:30 (six years ago) link

that was the one where he caught up to the falling plane, climbed inside and flew away

mookieproof, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:59 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

he was in Titanic?

― μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, February 2, 2016 10:07 AM bookmarkflaglink

he played Kathy Bates

― its subtle brume (DJP), Tuesday, February 2, 2016 10:08 AM bookmarkflaglink

looking for Mon in Alderaan places (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 03:05 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

ok this is unexpected but it actually hits quite differently rewatching now after seeing No Time To Die

i think half of what i didnt like was Madeline Swan & i honestly appreciate her a lot more now?

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 03:17 (one week ago) link

Yeah I kinda figure that like with QoS if you watch this in combination with the film it’s most directly tied with it takes on a different resonance, however unintended at the time.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 12:16 (one week ago) link

honestly, I always liked Spectre and was the odd person out on this thread (I think DJP liked it too? I can't recall).

also I love "Writing on the Wall" I don't care if I am its sole defender. but I don't care for Eilish's song.

I do recognize that it is a bit lazy to throw in a character that previously was obviously not part of the universe and retconning them to be the puppetmaster of the previous films, but.....I think that's an inherent problem of turning Bond into a universe with continuity. Nobody gives a fuck if shit doesn't line up in the pre-Craig Bonds. I kind of hope they go back to the standalone format from here on out, even though I liked the Craigs.

also on the way to see Spectre I totally hit someone's car in the parking lot so I should hate the film but I don't.

Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 16:27 (one week ago) link

i rewatched (sorry, 'rescreened') QoS a little while back because i got the sense it was getting a reappraisal and...it was fine? i think i might not have actually seen Spectre, so might watch that soon before seeing the new one

gbx, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 16:31 (one week ago) link

QoS is definitely 'fine', just a huge letdown after Casino. I rewatched last night and I didn't outright hate it like I did when I first saw it, and I think the story is all over the place.

but the big thing is that the trailers for the movie made it sound like a much different movie than it turned out to be. yes, it was kind of a revenge flick, but....only somewhat? trailer made it seem like a neo License to Kill where Rage-Bond goes rogue and blows up entire cities in avenging Vesper.

also the oil woman replacing gold woman = fail

but it's still ok, opening set piece is good, so is plane fight scene.

Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 16:36 (one week ago) link

i remember being annoyed that he didnt shoot Blofeld and it definitely did not really sink in as to the why of it all

it’s quite poignant this time around
and when she looks at Bond instead of at the footage of White killing himself when theyre in Blofeld’s resort/lair … much bigger impact for me this time round

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 16:40 (one week ago) link

also I love "Writing on the Wall" I don't care if I am its sole defender

gasp

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 16:52 (one week ago) link

lol

Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 17:00 (one week ago) link

not the lyrics though, those are like 2nd grade level. just the musical aspect

Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 17:00 (one week ago) link

i still hate the song & skip the credits completely

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 17:11 (one week ago) link

Especially as Radiohead's rejected effort is so much better (though I can see why it wasn't used as you can't really make out any of the words).

chap, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 19:46 (one week ago) link

I can’t remember if I posted here when this was new.

Spectre had a fantastic opening set piece. And there was an amazing battle in a skyscraper, and also Batista was great in it (it was this movie, right?). Then … there’s the rest of the flick

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 22:27 (one week ago) link

Watching it in the theater I just didn’t care about it and was relieved when it ended. Daniel Craig looked like he wanted to be anywhere else. I like Christophe Waltz, but yeeesh.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 22:28 (one week ago) link

I’m pretty sure I’m the only person I know who doesn’t love Skyfall, but that’s for a different thread.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 22:29 (one week ago) link

Spectre had a fantastic opening set piece. And there was an amazing battle in a skyscraper, and also Batista was great in it (it was this movie, right?). Then … there’s the rest of the flick

Skyscraper battle is Skyfall and yes, my favorite sequence of the film easily. Deakins earned his keep. Bautista was in Spectre, yup.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 23:12 (one week ago) link

I also am pretty meh on Skyfall, only because it's so long and ponderous. I stand by my proposal that it could be massively improved by just dropping the entire sequence where Bardem gets captured on purpose and attacks Parliament. Top to bottom derivative and tedious to get through.

I Am Fribbulus (Xax) (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 23:26 (one week ago) link

Skyfall I now appreciate purely because the villain has a clear objective, Bardem is amazing and it’s one of the rare times a villain is not thwarted!
Also skyscraper fight rules, Komodo dragon/Macau stuff is awesome… has a lot of great stuff!

Spectre has the Bautista car chase in Italy! with the parachute ejectorseat! the alpine stuff in Austria with the plane smashing down the mountain like a crazy sled! the fkn TRAIN FIGHT with Bautista! so many things i had forgotten. it has a lot of very good/excellent set pieces & great locations. Waltz is still frustrating as Blofeld, I would have preferred someone else more threatening w more gravitas

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 14 October 2021 00:00 (one week ago) link

seriously everyone who has seen No Time To Die should rewatch Spectre and be pleasantly surprised at how it hold up and/or improves

imo

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 14 October 2021 00:02 (one week ago) link

and i will give you $10

jk

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 14 October 2021 00:04 (one week ago) link

$10K why thank you. That is what you meant to type, yes?

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 October 2021 00:06 (one week ago) link

yes ned 10,000 will be wired to the account of your choosing just key in your 6 digit password on the keypad here but fyi VESPER as a password is not allowed due to a previous incident

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 14 October 2021 00:11 (one week ago) link

"what do you mean I can't reuse previous passwords? It's my bloody password!"

Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Thursday, 14 October 2021 00:14 (one week ago) link

Sir please stop choking me. SIR.

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 14 October 2021 00:23 (one week ago) link

seriously everyone who has seen No Time To Die should rewatch Spectre and be pleasantly surprised at how it hold up and/or improves

imo


nice try but no way am I ever watching spectre again

poster of sparks (rogermexico.), Thursday, 14 October 2021 02:08 (one week ago) link

I rewatched it after seeing No Time To Die and all the bits I thought sucked still sucked (ie not Bautista)

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 14 October 2021 02:33 (one week ago) link

:/

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 14 October 2021 03:03 (one week ago) link

tbf I tuned out completely and started internetting before the end of the desert hideout torture scene stuff, maybe everything after “Bond and Blofeld are brothers” is rly good

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 14 October 2021 03:09 (one week ago) link

btw if anyone’s in this thread bcz they’re working up to NTTD, the best parts are totally the imax scenes so it’s worth catching in that format if you have the choice

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 14 October 2021 03:11 (one week ago) link

Thanks, Ned.

QoS is a mess but … underrated, even by me sometimes.

Tomorrow: NTTD!

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 14 October 2021 08:26 (one week ago) link

huh just checked and it looks like craig is the longest-running bond thus far? (time-wise, not in total number of movies). fifteen years!

gbx, Thursday, 14 October 2021 16:47 (one week ago) link

dude has definitely done his time
i wondered to mr veg if he’ll throw a party when his official post-release duties are completed.
i mean as we know from prev bonds, money-truck aside, it’s one hell of a gulag

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 14 October 2021 16:58 (one week ago) link

He filmed TWO Benoit Blanc flicks in between making No Time To Die and having to promote it on release

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 14 October 2021 17:09 (one week ago) link

Damn.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 15 October 2021 19:59 (one week ago) link

More later, but best since CR.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 15 October 2021 20:07 (one week ago) link

I would very much like a post-apocalyptic HBO show set in the, uh, island lair

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 15 October 2021 20:43 (one week ago) link

yes plz

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 15 October 2021 23:11 (one week ago) link

#onethread?

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Saturday, 16 October 2021 14:53 (one week ago) link

we are only allowed to talk about spectre in this thread, #spectrethoughtsonly

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Saturday, 16 October 2021 15:09 (one week ago) link

Radiohead got robbed

maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 16 October 2021 15:43 (one week ago) link

fukunaga did an amazing job, whole thing looked amazing and was super varied in terms of color lighting

rami malek was terrible. not remotely scary, idiotic accent, everything he said was so groanworthy pretentious and vacuous (even by Bond villain standards), also for some reason his skin condition improved throughout the movie? by the end it just looked like mild acne scars

léa seydoux is insanely beautiful and every moment she was on screen i was jaw agog. however daniel craig and ana de armas have the best chemistry, wish she was in it more. havana scene was so fun

plot was so dumb. when ralph fiennes is like “we didn’t mean for this bio chemical weapon capable of exterminating entire races of people to become a WMD” lol

overall i loved it. i think italy was my favourite action setpiece (i was hooting and hollering in the movie theatre when he started motorcycling up stairs and flying over bridges) but they were all very entertaining

flopson, Saturday, 16 October 2021 21:32 (one week ago) link

Lol at his name being Lyutsifer Safin

Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Saturday, 16 October 2021 21:55 (one week ago) link

i haven’t seen it since it was in theatres and was really high when i saw it so this might be totally inaccurate but i remember the action in quAntum being peak shaky cam era disorienting blurry close combat. and i am grateful of how far we are from that now. loved the scene at the end on the stairwell (the shadow!). felt kinda like a first person shooter

flopson, Saturday, 16 October 2021 21:57 (one week ago) link

I just watched it and yes, it was def like that

Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Saturday, 16 October 2021 21:57 (one week ago) link

quantum’s lone flaw for me is the action directing

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Saturday, 16 October 2021 22:00 (one week ago) link

everything else about that movie rules tho

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Saturday, 16 October 2021 22:00 (one week ago) link

fyi flopson there is a No Time To Die thread, you'll find more discussion there! which also, some of us are consciously avoiding until we've gotten to the film.

I Am Fribbulus (Xax) (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 16 October 2021 23:11 (one week ago) link

oh sorry i looked through SNA but didn’t see it so i figured ppl were just talking here. if a mod wants to delete it that’s ok. sorry for spoilers

flopson, Saturday, 16 October 2021 23:18 (one week ago) link

you're all good! i pulled my eyes away once I registered the type of information the post contained, but before any of it actually reached my brain lol

I Am Fribbulus (Xax) (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 17 October 2021 02:54 (one week ago) link


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