Charlie Brooker's BLACK MIRROR

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International Emmy winner Black Mirror, written by Charlie Brooker, returns with three brand new films. Each story is in turn, disarming, suspenseful and darkly satirical, and all explore our modern reality.

Premiered tonight with the heavy; haunting "Be Right Back"...

Walter Galt, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 00:05 (six years ago) link

More fucking Brooker crap.

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 01:22 (six years ago) link

has this run in the US? why because it sound interesting

akm, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 02:43 (six years ago) link

first series was incredible

walloreinhart (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 12 February 2013 02:45 (six years ago) link

internet lets me down on s01 torr3nts

akm, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 02:55 (six years ago) link

i take that back

akm, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 02:56 (six years ago) link

it was on youtube for awhile (officially?)

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 03:03 (six years ago) link

Yeah, Brooker regularly Tweets YouTube links to his stuff on official YouTube channels.
I thought this first new film was pretty intense. The concept resonated for me - I wonder how much a viewer's investment in this story depends on whether someone close to them has... wait, has no one else seen this?

She Got the Shakes, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 07:46 (six years ago) link

really crap episode. I do not know where to begin. the premise was brilliant but it was executed stupidly, it was taken wayyyyy too far to be sensible or reasonable (even in the story's own constructed reality), and 20 minutes of story was padded to 48. shithouse.

walloreinhart (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 12 February 2013 09:31 (six years ago) link

I didn't watch it, saw the preview, it looked like a 'good' episode of "Tales of the Unexpected".

Those eps were 30 mins.

Mark G, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 09:40 (six years ago) link

first ep i've ever seen of this show.

yes it could have been better - it should have been far more difficult for her to reject the clone, for instance, in the flesh he actually wasn't compelling or even realistic - but i have a looooooooot of time for modern twilight zone episodes shot with moody lighting

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 11:13 (six years ago) link

i loved all the little tech bits as well, c'mon that's how you do it

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 11:13 (six years ago) link

where did her nosy friend end up? why weren't those things deployed en masse as aids for the elderly/disabled, sex toys, butlers &c.? too many dumb holes.

walloreinhart (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 11:31 (six years ago) link

why weren't those things deployed en masse as aids for the elderly/disabled, sex toys, butlers &c.

they probably were! this was a story about one (presumably loaded) woman living in a big ol' country house.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 11:37 (six years ago) link

first 20 minutes definitely the strongest - i loved how basically everything spoke to the sorts of knowledge we have that's surprising, or unpublic, how hard it is to really know someone. and yet... honestly if they'd just stuck to the chat format i bet she would have kept talking to "it" for years

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 11:42 (six years ago) link

http://liveson.org/

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 11:42 (six years ago) link

genuinely surprised at how short this thread is! this ep seems like it's right in ilx's wheelhouse

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 15:53 (six years ago) link

I liked the first series with reservations, but I loved this. Very much a modern-day Monkey's Paw or similar. I think keeping it low-key and emotions-based worked really well.

AA - seriously, do you actually care about those things? They're not even plot-holes: if you tried to answer them then your film would be incredibly dull.

emil.y, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 23:56 (six years ago) link

all of those things (and more—I didn't get to all the other wtf moments) completely got in the way for me

walloreinhart (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 14 February 2013 00:52 (six years ago) link

I dunno, I guess we just have completely different psychology. I mean, I didn't need them explaining because they seemed fairly self-explanatory. But let's have a go:

"Nosy friend" - if she's turning the phone off to her sister, why would she be chatting on the reg to someone who it is made fairly obvious she isn't that close to? The scene at the funeral was fairly obviously between people who weren't close. And she has her dead husband bot to talk to.

"why weren't they deployed en masse?" - Tracer's OTM that these things obviously are around... she's affluent and tech-savvy enough to be an early adopter, so it's still a bit embarrassing, especially because of the emotional aspect (hence why she doesn't tell her sister or the moving men), but that doesn't mean that she's the only special snowflake who has one. The story doesn't involve other people aside from her immediate social circle, WHY ON EARTH would it suddenly break into a story about everyone else's android husband? And as for the implication that they could be used for good: a) at the very start there is a bit on the news about the technology being used for good, and b) since when do private corporations even care about doing good?

emil.y, Thursday, 14 February 2013 01:07 (six years ago) link

I liked at the end it was basically Pop-pop gets a treat?

kinder, Thursday, 14 February 2013 08:14 (six years ago) link

Agree with AA to an extent, it was a massive jump to reveal at the end that they live in a world where extreme tech exists that would have altered society completely. You don't invent something that advanced overnight. It made the point it was trying to make though, I guess.

kinder, Thursday, 14 February 2013 08:26 (six years ago) link

seems like brooker's been reading some kurzweil

Crackle Box, Thursday, 14 February 2013 10:43 (six years ago) link

Hadn't seen any of these before, wasn't expecting it to be quite so low-key and melancholic. Thought it was a good way of talking/thinking about loss, what constitutes a person, the way we love and remember others - reminded me a bit of Ishiguro's Never Let Me Go. The ending was pretty close to perfect - very creepy, very sad - and i liked the slow pacing throughout.

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 14 February 2013 18:59 (six years ago) link

it was a massive jump to reveal at the end that they live in a world where extreme tech exists that would have altered society completely. You don't invent something that advanced overnight.

Wut? How are you reading this as a 'big reveal' at the end? What are you talking about?

emil.y, Thursday, 14 February 2013 19:03 (six years ago) link

Is this series better than the last one? I thought S1 had some nice ideas, and I applaud the intent, but it was really clunky and 6th form in its implementation.

give me back my 200 dollars (NotEnough), Thursday, 14 February 2013 19:35 (six years ago) link

It wasn't played as a big reveal or anything, that's not what I meant. It's just setting the scene very late that it was set in a world that would have adapted to having clones to some extent so it's hard to gauge her reaction or concept of him compared to if something like that was parachuted in to our world

kinder, Thursday, 14 February 2013 20:48 (six years ago) link

dude, they established that there were science-fictional medical type advances in literally the first minute of the episode (on the tv playing in the car)! it didn't set the scene very late at all

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 14 February 2013 20:52 (six years ago) link

Submitted post too early but i'm trying to type on my phone and it's hard to get my point across so I'll stop now

Xp right but a world with actual clones, rules about them, attitudes would be a lot more different than just havingfancy coffee cups and thinner phones

kinder, Thursday, 14 February 2013 20:54 (six years ago) link

It did remind me of Never let me go too, where the social reaction to such thing was a big part of the world he wrote

kinder, Thursday, 14 February 2013 20:57 (six years ago) link

attitudes would be a lot more different than just havingfancy coffee cups and thinner phones

This is a massive part of the whole 'Black Mirror' concept, though. That actually things aren't so very different, that human beings carry on being human beings through all sorts of radical change. Hell, it's a large part of a lot of science fiction.

emil.y, Thursday, 14 February 2013 21:00 (six years ago) link

emil.y:

re nosy friend: there's no consequence for her. she's the one who lays the groundwork for the plot, and once that's underway she just vanishes, despite the fact that she fucked up this woman's life to an enormous degree. but in modern day storytelling she needs to be around to react, or to be affected in some way. she's the most obvious kind of loose end.

re world of clones: kinder's point is otm—it's a stretch (although not entirely unlikely) that robot clones suddenly exist because facebook invented them, and that the first round off the line is virtually indistinguishable from humans. the leap from a robotic voice on the phone to a self-healing robotic person requires an enormous suspension of disbelief.

also, when robot man is still just a phone voice and he tells her how to prepare the realdoll, but he disappears into static. what the hell? they couldn't have staged that better? there are people watching who have never experienced phone voices disappearing into static on the phone (it's an analogue cell thing), and because he's being deleted or migrated or whatever, it's even less plausible. also, why did that happen at all? why couldn't robot man have just finished his sentence? also (and this is my biggest problem here), he was warning her that she must do something to prepare the realdoll, but she never heard what it was, and again (just like nosy friend) there was no consequence. so why do it? this episode was littered with bombs that never went off.

: ; : (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 15 February 2013 20:56 (six years ago) link

Charlie Brooker's FUCK OFF

drier than a Charles Grodin quip (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 February 2013 21:44 (six years ago) link

despite the fact that she fucked up this woman's life to an enormous degree

Well, actually, she didn't. And that too is the point. It's not like (spoilers) this is the technology misbehaving, or rebelling, or taking over the world. It's about grief. The central character's life ISN'T fucked up by the android, it's fucked up by her husband dying. And actually, the nosy friend's advice was helpful for a while, it was the main character's decision to push further that was the wrong decision.

in modern day storytelling she needs to be around to react, or to be affected in some way

Uh, why? This would be completely pointless and irrelevant to the story that's being told.

robot clones suddenly exist because facebook invented them

What?

the first round off the line is virtually indistinguishable from humans

I will give you that it's a relatively quick transition, but it's not meant to be set in the present day and then they suddenly appear magically. It's already the future when it starts. I actually thought the news report at the beginning was fairly heavy-handed foreshadowing, but clearly you and kinder both completely missed the set-ups here.

when robot man is still just a phone voice and he tells her how to prepare the realdoll, but he disappears into static

Okay, I'll give you this: there is no _practical_ reason for this to happen. Even though we're told it's still in beta, you'd think that they'd set up the data migration in a way that instructions could be given at the correct time. However, it fits the arc - the husband disappears suddenly, the first ripple also disappears suddenly, and gives way to a hollower echo. It's the narrative of grief, again.

this episode was littered with bombs that never went off.

It wasn't meant to be about bombs going off. It was a quiet reflection on grief and desire and 'you should be careful what you wish for', it wasn't a dystopian futureworld of killer robots.

Seriously, I have no problem with you guys not liking it or it not resonating with you or whatever, but a lot of your 'holes' simply aren't holes.

emil.y, Friday, 15 February 2013 22:34 (six years ago) link

the leap from a robotic voice on the phone to a self-healing robotic person requires an enormous suspension of disbelief.

It's science fiction! Stories about spaceships require an enormous suspension of disbelief! And it was almost all borderline semi-plausible not too distant future tech. Main problem I had was that although the point of the story is that it wasn't an actual artificial intelligence, I don't think you could get even that level of interaction without genuine AI, but I was willing to give that a pass. Yeah I found this pretty moving, extremely well done in terms of the human details, and seriously when can I get one of those giant L shaped touch screen desktops?

ledge, Friday, 15 February 2013 22:54 (six years ago) link

Also anyone complaining this was over stretched and implausible has clearly never seen spielberg's AI.

ledge, Friday, 15 February 2013 22:55 (six years ago) link

Well, actually, she didn't.

debatable imo. rather than allow her friend to go through the normal grieving process, she actively harassed her into avoiding it. nosy friend changed her whole life for the worse.

Uh, why? This would be completely pointless and irrelevant to the story that's being told.

so why is she there at all? the widow could have reached that point all by herself (i.e. discovering the zombie social network), but brooker chose to drop in a character to enforce that plot device; that character, then, needs to factor into a later part of the story, especially when her influence leads directly to the devastating final scene. i can't imagine what 2001 would have been like if the monolith had just stopped being in it from the halfway mark.

What?

that's what we're asked to accept. i had already suspended a fair whack of disbelief by that point, but that leap was so enormous that i was really struggling to stay with the core theme from then on.

I actually thought the news report at the beginning was fairly heavy-handed foreshadowing, but clearly you and kinder both completely missed the set-ups here.

i did miss/forget that, yeah, but to be fair that's the sort of thing a storyteller might throw in at the last minute to check a box. by the time the realdoll stuff kicked in, i doubt many viewers remembered that five-second news grab.

It wasn't meant to be about bombs going off. It was a quiet reflection on grief and desire and 'you should be careful what you wish for', it wasn't a dystopian futureworld of killer robots.

i understand your point completely, so it's with extra emphasis that i make the point that those deviations shouldn't have been there in the first place. the only reason i can come up with is that brooker had 48 minutes to fill. this was a twilight zone-length story at best.

: ; : (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 15 February 2013 22:57 (six years ago) link

It's science fiction! Stories about spaceships require an enormous suspension of disbelief!

this wasn't on a spaceship, it was set on earth in the near future. i myself have made excuses for plenty of science fiction because it's set in a crazy anything-could-happen speculative universe, but this wasn't.

: ; : (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 15 February 2013 22:59 (six years ago) link

Why wasn't it? If you don't buy my "this is all semi-plausible tech" line (fair enough tbh) it still works as an alternate universe "what if" story. What if we did have Facebook robot clones?

ledge, Friday, 15 February 2013 23:04 (six years ago) link

a lot of 16 year-old boys wd be getting laid on the reg?

drier than a Charles Grodin quip (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 February 2013 23:10 (six years ago) link

Why wasn't it? If you don't buy my "this is all semi-plausible tech" line (fair enough tbh) it still works as an alternate universe "what if" story.

self-healing robots? really? i mean maybe there was a roadside billboard that said 'HAPPY NEW NANOMILLENNIUM CITIZENS OF JUPITER' at some point

: ; : (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 15 February 2013 23:16 (six years ago) link

last year's story about the bloke earning credits on the bike could well have been set so distantly in space/time that pretty much anything is excusable, but we're talking about people dressing like they do now, being in buildings that look like they do now, driving cars that look like they do now &c. no way was this the great chinese kingdom of wales in 2168 or whatever.

: ; : (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 15 February 2013 23:19 (six years ago) link

Ok there are plenty of details that make this seem like a plausible near future world (slightly sexier phones and desktops) but that doesn't mean it's an actual possible world. It's an SF fairy story. SF can be good without being 100% technologically plausible.

ledge, Friday, 15 February 2013 23:23 (six years ago) link

also i don't understand why they have the technology to build near-perfect humanoid robots that self-heal, and yet they post her a dormant android covered in vaseline and she has to tip powder into the bath like it's a sea monkey

: ; : (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 15 February 2013 23:26 (six years ago) link

Ok there are plenty of details that make this seem like a plausible near future world (slightly sexier phones and desktops) but that doesn't mean it's an actual possible world. It's an SF fairy story. SF can be good without being 100% technologically plausible.

when the plausibility is unprecedented by anything else in the story, it gets in the way. emil.y mentioned that news clip right at the start, which was fairly obviously chucked in during post production, and which i and (presumably) kinder didn't even notice. that's not enough. maybe, i dunno, the protagonists could have had a chat about 'those creepy robots', or a proto-humanoid could have served vol-au-vents at the funeral or something.

: ; : (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 15 February 2013 23:28 (six years ago) link

I guess my problem is that I don't see why your suggestions make *anything* more plausible. They just clutter up a story with rubbish to hammer home a point. I mean, it is far more plausible to me that the nosy friend is never heard of again, because they weren't close in the first place and that's what happens when you're grieving, but you would relinquish plausibility in this case for plot device to make sure that everything is tied up neatly. Guess what? Life isn't tied up neatly. It's not plausible for all the loose ends to be tied.

emil.y, Friday, 15 February 2013 23:37 (six years ago) link

And, you know, *why* is it more plausible to have a robot butler be the first instantiation rather than medical uses followed by a weirdo start-up company that preys on grief? I'm not at all sure that it is.

emil.y, Friday, 15 February 2013 23:39 (six years ago) link

(Also, I assume you were eliding/joking with your interpretation that 'facebook invented it', right? It utilises data from all digital interactions and records in a future where even more interactions are online than they are now, it isn't just 'I have made you out of facebook'.)

emil.y, Friday, 15 February 2013 23:41 (six years ago) link

It's an SF fairy story. SF can be good without being 100% technologically plausible.

yeah, you basically have to give them this and then judge everything else on its own merits. It's not like it's particularly likely that someone would survive a nuclear apocalypse by being trapped in a a bank vault etc. etc.

Number None, Friday, 15 February 2013 23:42 (six years ago) link

you can upload and play the game here:

https://virtualconsoles.com/online-emulators/zx-spectrum/

large bananas pregnant (ledge), Wednesday, 2 January 2019 09:13 (eight months ago) link

I feel judged due to the fact I kept playing until I found a way to get the game rated 5/5 on the tv show, because... ratings are everything in the game industry, man

mh, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 15:23 (eight months ago) link

I kept being evasive with the shrink because she was played by Prevenge/Sightseers' Alice Lowe. that really slowed the narrative to a crawl.

resident hack (Simon H.), Wednesday, 2 January 2019 15:28 (eight months ago) link

lol me too. at first i tried to make choices that i thought the character would want to make (like he seemed reticent about sharing about his dead mom and the shrink seemed prying so i refused) but like you said that really stalled things. then i tried to take care of him to make sure he didn't hurt himself or kill anyone but the game really pushed hard to have him become a murderer too. i thought the train ending felt pretty butterfly effect'esque. the best ending was for sure the 5/5 rating ending and that also unlocked the contemporary game designer sequence.

Mordy, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 15:42 (eight months ago) link

didn't know this:

https://uk.webuy.com/site/history/ (3rd paragraph)

jeff minter has been talking about his cameo:

http://www.yakyak.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88099&start=30#p1687038

http://www.yakyak.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88099&start=30#p1687051

koogs, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 20:06 (eight months ago) link

four months pass...

the promo clips for new episodes are out there

apparently one of the episodes stars Andrew Scott and has was scored by Ryuichi Sakamoto!

mh, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 15:58 (three months ago) link

two weeks pass...

I watched the first one. It really didn't need to be an hour long, and the conclusion wasn't very interesting either. Neither was the main dude. Quite glad that it didn't go down the violent route I was expecting I guess.

kinder, Thursday, 6 June 2019 12:50 (three months ago) link

If this is the Andrew Scott one, that’s the one I haven’t seen yet!

Striking Vipers - incredible cast, quite strange. I personally liked it because it tapped into several of my likes (fighting games! fucked up friendships! the role of fantasy!) but I’m not sure that it’s going to be that popular. Has a line that made me shriek irl though.

Rachel, Jack and Ashley Too - also quite weird but Miley is actually great in it even if it’s drawing very heavily from irl experience (possibly just me projecting though). Story isn’t hugely original or anything but I loved the song choices (NIN covers reworked with input from TRez) and also the constant mouse references are a bit on the nose? Really liked this one even if it was a bit insubstantial.

gyac, Thursday, 6 June 2019 13:18 (three months ago) link

I'd assume the order's the same across regions with Fighting Vipers being the first

mh, Thursday, 6 June 2019 13:34 (three months ago) link

Yeah sorry I meant Stiking Vipers
What line did you mean?

kinder, Thursday, 6 June 2019 13:35 (three months ago) link

The polar bear one.

gyac, Thursday, 6 June 2019 16:00 (three months ago) link

Much like every other Black Mirror, I quite enjoyed these but they were all insubstantial and far too DO YOU SEE.

I didn't guess the route the Striking Vipers one was going to go in, but so far so predictable.

The Andrew Scott one was basically all about delivering that monologue but the plot was obvious as soon as you knew why he was at the help group.

Halfway through the Miley one and the highlight so far has been a framed Sugar Ape cover on her agent's wall.

Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Saturday, 8 June 2019 10:48 (three months ago) link

Striking Vipers is easily the best of the new batch but that's not really saying much. As usual they start off quite interesting and don't really go anywhere. Miley Cyrus is really good in the Miley Cyrus one but it ultimately boils down to a middle aged white dude's idea of musical authenticity

or something, Saturday, 8 June 2019 11:35 (three months ago) link

oh man
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/jun/07/black-mirror-miley-cyrus-rachel-jack-ashley-too

so uh, this reviewer has some decent comments on the plot but completely missed the central running joke that all of the music is Nine Inch Nails songs, with the pop star versions having cheery lyrics. cringing and giggling over here

The Cyrus we meet at the start of the episode makes manufactured pop that’s slick, well-made, personal (her lyrics come directly from her dream diary) and popular. She is very, very good at this. But by the end she has become, for want of a better word, Nickelback. She starts shouting very bad, very witless, completely anonymous grunge-lite songs back to back with her bassist (who has a nose ring, because attitude). She’s happy, but only because she’s adopted a hard shell of “authenticity” that’s arguably even more constrictive than her former persona.

mh, Sunday, 9 June 2019 01:48 (three months ago) link

I actually thought they were going to start having video game sex in all the different characters to really prove the TRUE LOVE, so I was disappointed by the polar bear throwaway.

Yerac, Sunday, 9 June 2019 02:34 (three months ago) link

we were denied the polar bear fucking we deserve

mh, Sunday, 9 June 2019 03:12 (three months ago) link

her bassist (who has a nose ring, because attitude) also seems to have missed that "her bassist" was Jack

Colonel Poo, Sunday, 9 June 2019 09:44 (three months ago) link

grafting an entire review on to a templates premise of rockism and misplaced adherence to authenticity, completely failing to notice it’s just all nin covers

kind of beautiful

mh, Sunday, 9 June 2019 14:02 (three months ago) link

Moral of Striking Vipers: Video games make you gay

akm, Sunday, 9 June 2019 14:40 (three months ago) link

otm

johnny crunch, Sunday, 9 June 2019 14:52 (three months ago) link

not a furry though, apparently

except for maybe whoever was fucking people as a polar bear

mh, Sunday, 9 June 2019 16:01 (three months ago) link

polar bears have had a rough decade.

The Miley Cyrus one was fine. It should've been a lot shorter. The drag was apparent when it hit the Alexa comes to life bit.

Yerac, Sunday, 9 June 2019 16:32 (three months ago) link

I didn't read that Guardian article because of the choice of shirt he chose for his writer pic.

Yerac, Sunday, 9 June 2019 16:36 (three months ago) link

I thought the robot was one of the best parts and, although a total rehash of prior episodes trapping a consciousness in a machine, was actually fleshed out

mh, Sunday, 9 June 2019 16:37 (three months ago) link

It was, it just highlighted how meandering the first part was. When the robot came to life all of a sudden it was a different episode with a different vibe with odd adults are stupid hijinks.

Yerac, Sunday, 9 June 2019 16:41 (three months ago) link

too many undercooked plot segments

was most disappointed by Smithereens, all we got was some good Andrew Scott emoting and a too-generous portrayal of a Jack Dorsey type by Topher Grace

mh, Sunday, 9 June 2019 17:05 (three months ago) link

I dunno, just because the guardian guy may not be a big NIN fan and didn't get the in-joke doesn't mean he hasn't got a valid point that the episode denouement felt a bit rockist

or something, Sunday, 9 June 2019 17:23 (three months ago) link

Not that I can be particularly arsed to defend a guardian culture journo

or something, Sunday, 9 June 2019 17:24 (three months ago) link

he praised the other lyrics in the episode which were: a cover of another NIN song, and a nonsense version of “head like a hole” with funny lyrics written by Booker

you could make the argument for it being rockist or w/e but it really feels like a template being applied by a guy who has read a lot about music criticism but hasn’t a lot of interest in listening to music

mh, Sunday, 9 June 2019 18:16 (three months ago) link

I wouldn't dispute your latter point

or something, Sunday, 9 June 2019 18:25 (three months ago) link

i should buy the t-shirt though

wish it didn’t say “black mirror” on there, though. kind of gives the game away
https://store.nin.com/products/head-like-a-hole-x-black-mirror-tee

mh, Sunday, 9 June 2019 18:28 (three months ago) link

Brooker doesn't come across as someone who's that into music either tbh xp

or something, Sunday, 9 June 2019 18:29 (three months ago) link

tbf he’s had a lot of good people working on the soundtrack for this series with mixed results

it’s kind of turned into a soundtrack/actor/location showcase with the plots being a real mixed bag

mh, Sunday, 9 June 2019 18:32 (three months ago) link

Idk I didn’t think the episode applied a rockist judgement to the music? Ashley O was still writing all those songs but she wasn’t being coerced by medication into producing stuff that wasn’t how she felt anymore? I didn’t feel that it judged pop more negatively.

gyac, Sunday, 9 June 2019 18:49 (three months ago) link

trent reznor is a rockism victim. made dark but poppy synthesizer album and was bullied into incorporating more guitars throughout the entire 90s!!

also there’s that elephant in the room which is miley cyrus’s entire musical career where she was a disney pop kid? idk, lots of unexplored angles in journalism, anyone wanting to write a little can have these tips for free

mh, Sunday, 9 June 2019 18:52 (three months ago) link

xpost I almost brought up how a lot of episodes remind of Until the End of the World because of the "soundtrack/actor/location showcase." The videogame episode in Brazil was disconcerting.

Yerac, Sunday, 9 June 2019 19:44 (three months ago) link

Topher Grace just sitting on top of a big old hill in the desert

mh, Sunday, 9 June 2019 23:13 (three months ago) link

I file NiN under “things I just don’t care about”

calstars, Sunday, 9 June 2019 23:17 (three months ago) link

Idk if Reznor was really “bullied” into adding guitars in the 90s.

I’ve only seen the Vipers ep of the first season and if that’s the high point I’m worried about the rest.

circa1916, Sunday, 9 June 2019 23:20 (three months ago) link

Reznor getting his first No. 1 with "Old Town Road" is the best Black Mirror episode.

... (Eazy), Sunday, 9 June 2019 23:23 (three months ago) link

lol

calstars, Sunday, 9 June 2019 23:27 (three months ago) link

xxp lol i’ve got to start using the sarcasm tag again i guess

mh, Monday, 10 June 2019 00:18 (three months ago) link

had enough of this show. all these episodes are too fucking long

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 21:34 (three months ago) link

what if ye phone was ye mum

boobie, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 16:17 (three months ago) link

what if ya bruv was a hot and horny chun li type

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 16:18 (three months ago) link

I find myself very anti-Topher Grace so I will probably not watch that episode.

Yerac, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 17:12 (three months ago) link

he's fine in it! no aggravated vocal mannerisms or anything

mh, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 17:29 (three months ago) link

That ep was bad and hated but I liked it and felt the denouement was great

flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 17:33 (three months ago) link

I thought it was fine, it was just a half gallon of plot in a five gallon bucket

mh, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 17:45 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

Really dug the Miley episode, with so much packed into an hour and such a satisfying final 15 minutes.

... (Eazy), Thursday, 18 July 2019 06:31 (two months ago) link


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