Literary Clusterfucks 2013

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I don't really have many thoughts, just came across this this morning. I saw Watten read a long time ago, and I know he was one of the 4 or 5 important LANGUAGE poets but he really didn't seem poetically at the level of others. I see he had a debate on social media with Nathaniel Mackey (whose work I love) about Robert Duncan and "mythical" poetry vs. "materialist" writing.

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Thursday, 2 May 2019 14:05 (five months ago) link

I don't recall him making much of an impression when I first started delving into LANGUAGE but I haven't explored his poetry enough to say. He's had decades to hone his craft since the movement's heyday in the 70s/80s.

pomenitul, Thursday, 2 May 2019 14:08 (five months ago) link

Call-in culture > Call-out culture, but in this specific case Watten seems to have retaliated against anyone who has tried to do anything about him, and this specific case is about complaints he has brought against two other students. It seems mostly to be a big systemic failure, and I don't know how you deal with that without raising a stink. There need to be some sort of trust before call-ins can work.

Frederik B, Thursday, 2 May 2019 14:59 (five months ago) link

i agree

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 2 May 2019 15:31 (five months ago) link

Not exactly pertinent to the controversy with the students but this is a fascinating read, if extremely long:

https://www.dispatchespoetrywars.com/commentary/an-encounter-between-nathaniel-mackey-and-barrett-watten/

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Thursday, 2 May 2019 16:13 (five months ago) link

god ya is such a dumpster fire of all the worst people

maura, Thursday, 2 May 2019 18:30 (five months ago) link

Never understood adults who exclusively read YA books, but if it keeps them from fucking around with the stuff I read I guess it serves its purpose.

This guy deserves to be dragged hard imo: https://www.scifiandscary.com/this-is-not-a-review-of-hells-shadows/

(The review included isn't well written, but I assume that's because they're amateur reviewers, which makes his screed even more pointless and shitty... and he wasn't even responding to the review itself, but just any hypothetical bad review.)

emil.y, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 19:16 (five months ago) link

omg that is amazing. Too many favourite quotes to list but:

"Another reviewer stated she liked the story 'a lot' better than J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter books"

Number None, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 19:33 (five months ago) link

More a 'kinda lol but mostly sad' story imo.

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 14 May 2019 19:35 (five months ago) link

To the best of my knowledge, The Amulet's platform is absolutely unique. No one has ever read a faith-based tale like this one. Indeed, the prologue alone will make you think you're reading an Indiana Jones novel. Please note this: part one is the supremely eerie launch of the story. Will glue your fingers to the pages. Part two, nothing like part one, is the most intellectual part, the most provocative, that may cause a great many people to pause and consider what they've just read for certain passages are no less than startling. Part three is the mountainous dessert of the novel. Fasten your seat belt. The action never ends.

Given the intensely stirring premise that underpins this novel (as revealed by the conclusion of part one), you'll find out why the Hollywood executive wanted to speak with me if you choose to read the book. I will tell you that many of the story's scenes, beginning with the prologue, will almost jump off the page, their movie character so clearly obvious. And as you go, they only increase in scale and grandeur. Please enjoy The Amulet with my very best wishes.

mookieproof, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 19:38 (five months ago) link

the "mountainous dessert" is a technical term first used by northrop frye iirc

mark s, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 19:40 (five months ago) link

i myself am underpinned by an intensely stirring premise

mookieproof, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 19:42 (five months ago) link

You've gotta be a hustler if you want to get on i guess

Doctor Nu (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 14 May 2019 19:45 (five months ago) link

This is just another level:

In the author’s note, Klein writes:

“And please note this – both novels were read by an entire Barnes & Noble store management team and were deemed so good by the two assistant store managers and the store manager that they were ordered and shelved right next to the works of Mr. King himself.”

Dean Klein, author’s note for Hell’s Shadows

emil.y, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 19:45 (five months ago) link

man, I bet Koontz was on the other side

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 14 May 2019 19:48 (five months ago) link

You laugh, but consider how prominently jacket blurbs from Barnes & Noble store management teams are featured on your average Pulitzer Prize-winning novel.

the prologue alone will make you think you're reading an Indiana Jones novel

You know - one of those classic Indiana Jones novels we all love.

One Eye Open, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 20:25 (five months ago) link

The birth of a new copypasta is unfolding before our very eyes.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 21:06 (five months ago) link

Think you've read just about every type of haunted house story out there? Uh uh. Not like this one. You won't have a clue as to what happens next. Hell's Shadows is a wild tale of two people whose deep love for each other is severely tested by a house and the unfathomable creatures within it. And outside it. Gil and Robin Turner reside in the most haunted house of all time, a house so dangerous the Turners come to realize the house itself is hell itself. Evil. Deadly. Alive.

Hell's Shadows was inspired by the great and classic film, Poltergeist. Here, however, every character, every relationship, every place, thing and supernatural occurrence has been vastly increased in intensity.

mookieproof, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 21:29 (five months ago) link

i highly recommend indiana jones and the hollow earth

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 22:23 (five months ago) link

Will glue your fingers to the pages.

I appreciated this image.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 00:45 (five months ago) link

sci-fi self-publishing scene appears to the the absolute fucking worst

akm, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 02:44 (five months ago) link

Wow

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 09:57 (five months ago) link

sci-fi self-publishing scene appears to the the absolute fucking worst


what about ya

maura, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 15:13 (five months ago) link

ya don’t need to be rude, they were just stating an opinion

milkshake chuk (wins), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 15:16 (five months ago) link

"My ability to conceive and prepare prose are off the chart high."

<3

jmm, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 15:16 (five months ago) link

same

mark s, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 15:18 (five months ago) link

ya don’t need to be rude, they were just stating an opinion


ahaha
(i meant young adult but you probably figured)

maura, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 15:22 (five months ago) link

isn't ya all speculative sci-fi these days anyway

imago, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 15:25 (five months ago) link

"My ability to conceive and prepare prose are off the chart high."

Can we get a board description change, please? Even one of the minor, underused ones will do.

two months pass...

https://slate.com/culture/2019/07/delia-owens-crawdads-murder-africa.html

I had, in fact, only heard of this book because my sister read it for a book club, she said it was bad. Somewhat concerned that this story is going to drive me to read an ultra-long Jeffrey Goldberg article.

JoeStork, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 15:30 (two months ago) link

I am all in favour of wildlife poachers dying horrible deaths, so I have no problems with this writer's murky background.

Yeah this thing is weird since this seems to be pretty common knowledge—something her publisher def knows about. I think maybe the goopy Reese Witherspoon connection makes it a strange contrast.

I couldn’t find any info but I’m going to assume that poacher they killed was black

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 12:57 (two months ago) link

lol at However, the Wikipedia entry for Owens comes as only the fourth result when you Google her name

Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 13:02 (two months ago) link

I am all in favour of wildlife poachers dying horrible deaths

Tbh this in itself would be one thing, but the whole 'white saviour' thing makes me feel pretty unsympathetic to these people.

emil.y, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 13:59 (two months ago) link

xpost I love how the media is full of these stories that are just the writer discovering an article from less than 10 years ago.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 14:08 (two months ago) link

three weeks pass...

God I loathe the petty and abusive statusgrubbing of men like that. Hope he sinks.

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Friday, 23 August 2019 04:55 (one month ago) link


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