Literary Clusterfucks 2013

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Beginning to think maybe a rolling thread might be good. Anyway:

So Alisa Valdes just publishes this memoir about this cowboy of hers and how he's a man's man and now's she's a woman like never before and etc. That link's to Hanna Rosin's review, and she's essentially going "Um...you sure?"

And then Valdes publishes this today.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 January 2013 01:15 (seven years ago) link

That said, a lot can happen in two years, especially when you’re in a relationship with a man as complicated and volatile as the cowboy.

j., Thursday, 10 January 2013 01:17 (seven years ago) link

"what I actually wrote was a handbook for women on how to fall in love with a manipulative, controlling, abusive narcissist."

just what the world needed. like a poke in the eye.

Aimless, Thursday, 10 January 2013 01:32 (seven years ago) link

jesus

mookieproof, Thursday, 10 January 2013 01:35 (seven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FORoSB5JxCU

"Cowboy up."

jim, Thursday, 10 January 2013 01:44 (seven years ago) link

none of these people are really writers

― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, June 4, 2010 1:18 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 10 January 2013 01:49 (seven years ago) link

wtf @ that whole story

an eagle named "small government" (call all destroyer), Thursday, 10 January 2013 01:50 (seven years ago) link

polo shirt under a jacket, tho

mookieproof, Thursday, 10 January 2013 01:50 (seven years ago) link

I see by your outfit that you are a cowboy.
You see by my outfit that I'm a cowboy, too.
We see by these outfits that we are all cowboys.
If you buy a cowboy outfit, you can be a cowboy, too.

Aimless, Thursday, 10 January 2013 01:50 (seven years ago) link

damn nm I just actually read this shit how f'd up

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 10 January 2013 02:07 (seven years ago) link

i keep reading her name as alida valli

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 10 January 2013 02:27 (seven years ago) link

jesus

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 10 January 2013 02:37 (seven years ago) link

I don't know if we do this around here but there's some srs abuse and sexual assault triggers in Ned's second link

autistic boy is surprisingly good at basketball (silby), Thursday, 10 January 2013 02:47 (seven years ago) link

it's probably a good thing that she's posting a picture of her rapist on the internet, now we can watch out for him

autistic boy is surprisingly good at basketball (silby), Thursday, 10 January 2013 02:51 (seven years ago) link

man that's a tough read

goole, Thursday, 10 January 2013 02:51 (seven years ago) link

cowboyfucks

buzza, Thursday, 10 January 2013 03:11 (seven years ago) link

How much you wanna bet that Mr Cowboy is gonna be a MRA talking head

Theodora Celery, Thursday, 10 January 2013 03:49 (seven years ago) link

In 2001, Valdes emailed a 3400-word resignation letter to her superiors at the Los Angeles Times. The letter was widely circulated on the Internet[ and reprinted in the St. Petersburg Times. In the letter she accused the newspaper of racism and discrimination, especially in its synonymous use of the word "latino" with "Spanish-speaker", a practice she equated to genocide.

buzza, Thursday, 10 January 2013 03:54 (seven years ago) link

buzza are you suggesting that alisa valdes is hysterical or otherwise to be dismissed

mookieproof, Thursday, 10 January 2013 04:32 (seven years ago) link

this is not the elizabeth wurtzel thread

buzza, Thursday, 10 January 2013 04:35 (seven years ago) link

And so, even though I was 43 years old and have Lupus

WHY DO THESE FANFICCY CRAP ROMANCE NOVELISTS ALWAYS HAVE LUPUS OR FIBRO WTF.

Una Stubbs' Tears (Trayce), Thursday, 10 January 2013 04:36 (seven years ago) link

hm prob should have read the whole post of hers before making light. still, this shit brings the whole 50 shades bullshit into its awful, true light.

Una Stubbs' Tears (Trayce), Thursday, 10 January 2013 04:46 (seven years ago) link

Considering Valdes wrote one of the single most amazing demolitions of a horrible person ever, reading/seeing all this...yeah.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 January 2013 05:43 (seven years ago) link

okay that was awesome. thanks for linking that Ned

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 10 January 2013 05:48 (seven years ago) link

still cannot get over her story with the cowboy. so fucked up. I mean, just that it reads so familiarly, is so sad to me.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 10 January 2013 05:52 (seven years ago) link

this is not the elizabeth wurtzel thread

oh, okay then

mookieproof, Thursday, 10 January 2013 05:55 (seven years ago) link

“An irresistible, post-feminist Taming of the Shrew. Don’t be scared by the premise. This is not a story about a woman relinquishing her identity. Quite the opposite. It is a riveting tale about how a brilliant, strong-minded woman liberated herself from a dreary, male-bashing, reality-denying feminism.”

– Christina Hoff Sommers, author of The War Against Boys; How Misguided Feminism is Harming Our Young Men

buzza, Thursday, 10 January 2013 07:24 (seven years ago) link

a practice she equated to genocide

ugh fuck this, there is like a 100% chance she was referring to cultural genocide, a term used for decades and not meant to imply the actual murder of a group of people

#guy #guy fieri #poop #hallway (zachlyon), Thursday, 10 January 2013 07:25 (seven years ago) link

http://www.sptimes.com/News/110300/Floridian/The_language_of_genoc.shtml

buzza, Thursday, 10 January 2013 07:37 (seven years ago) link

buzza idgi are you trying to damage the credibility of the woman who basically just announced she wrote a book about a man who raped her

autistic boy is surprisingly good at basketball (silby), Thursday, 10 January 2013 07:39 (seven years ago) link

apparently so?

it's tough when you can only speak in the form of revived threads

mookieproof, Thursday, 10 January 2013 07:53 (seven years ago) link

seemed like zachylon wanted the context of the wiki quote so i provided it?

buzza, Thursday, 10 January 2013 08:02 (seven years ago) link

thank you for posting it

she does make a clear distinction between the two types of genocide tho she doesn't mark it with "cultural" or something similar. she does 'equate' the two but that's sort of the idea, while the wiki editor left out any of that context and framed it like "she compared this one tiny linguistic choice with the holocaust", fuck wiki

#guy #guy fieri #poop #hallway (zachlyon), Thursday, 10 January 2013 08:56 (seven years ago) link

"literary"

Broken Clock Britain (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 10 January 2013 09:18 (seven years ago) link

I have a lot of thoughts about this whole thing and also some feelings but none are organized enough to share except for, Jesus, Lady--at least when I did that I didn't write a book about it.

grossly incorrect register (in orbit), Thursday, 10 January 2013 14:49 (seven years ago) link

considering that one of the major goals of feminism was to protect women from the power imbalances present in domestic relationships, it's not super surprising that valdes' paean to how feminism got romance wrong and how there's something special about a real man turned out to be about an abusive asshole. i don't mean to suggest that she deserves what happened in the least, but there is a sort of irony that the very political principles she decried in the context of this relationship turned out to be especially relevant to her needs.

Mordy, Thursday, 10 January 2013 15:01 (seven years ago) link

xp On second thought that makes it sound like my experience was as extreme as hers: it was not. I also didn't put it in those terms of submission etc or posit that it revealed anything about how feminism has failed us. And I didn't have to jump out of a moving truck although after getting hit by an actual car frankly I'd take another one of those accidents over another of those relationships.

grossly incorrect register (in orbit), Thursday, 10 January 2013 15:03 (seven years ago) link

there is a sort of irony that the very political principles she decried in the context of this relationship turned out to be especially relevant to her needs.

It's not like that's a coincidence. She decried them because she was being told to.

grossly incorrect register (in orbit), Thursday, 10 January 2013 15:07 (seven years ago) link

really want some blogger to try to get a reaction out of christina hoff summers

goole, Thursday, 10 January 2013 15:13 (seven years ago) link

I usually assume "How I did X and Changed My Life" memoirists are flighty, superficial and unrealistic people, because shit just doesn't work like that. This is a particularly egregious example.

drunk 'n' white's elements of style (Hurting 2), Thursday, 10 January 2013 15:25 (seven years ago) link

This is a horrible horrible story.

emil.y, Thursday, 10 January 2013 15:40 (seven years ago) link

btw, I regret my above post, having apparently made it without really reading most of the story in her blog post.

However, the blog post is now gone.

drunk 'n' white's elements of style (Hurting 2), Thursday, 10 January 2013 16:44 (seven years ago) link

?!

goole, Thursday, 10 January 2013 16:44 (seven years ago) link

this just got a little clusterfuckier

drunk 'n' white's elements of style (Hurting 2), Thursday, 10 January 2013 16:46 (seven years ago) link

without the followup blog post this is kind of incoherent

she wrote a fluffy romance novel that seems to spend half its time scolding modern feminism, then revealed that the man she was writing about raped and abused her and (this is where things are fuzzy to me) the whole novel was a double-feint?

Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Thursday, 10 January 2013 16:52 (seven years ago) link

it's a memior!

goole, Thursday, 10 January 2013 16:53 (seven years ago) link

ergh

so, replace "romance novel" with "memoir"; is the rest accurate?

Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Thursday, 10 January 2013 16:54 (seven years ago) link

Yup.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 January 2013 16:54 (seven years ago) link

huh

Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Thursday, 10 January 2013 16:55 (seven years ago) link

Given some of the things she was also saying about her publisher I wonder if that had something to do with it.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 January 2013 16:55 (seven years ago) link

I think I'm would-be-woke-American-genre-fiction-debacle'd out.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 16:43 (one month ago) link

"This is akin to putting a neo-Nazi in charge of a UN human rights committee," she wrote

lmao astonishing

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 17:01 (one month ago) link

it's true that neo-Nazis spend most of their time calling out other people's racism

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 17:03 (one month ago) link

good thing they never put horrible human rights abusers in charge of UN human rights committees amirite

Mordy, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 17:03 (one month ago) link

do we start a new thread when we hit 2,014 clusterfucks?

rob, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 17:06 (one month ago) link

feels like we're close

rob, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 17:06 (one month ago) link

I appreciate that the story about a genre fiction scandal is being reported by an organ whose name sounds like a genre fiction scandal

Baby yoda laid an egg (wins), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 17:08 (one month ago) link

omg wins

imago, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 17:09 (one month ago) link

lmao

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 17:18 (one month ago) link

Good on Nora Roberts though.

☮️ (peace, man), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 17:40 (one month ago) link

No longer a member of Romance Writers of America, the best-selling writer said that she became disillusioned in 2005, when top leaders drafted a statement defining romance as between a man and a woman

bigotry is not funny, but the use of 'romance' throughout that article as if the RWA is legislating romance itself is kind of lol

warn me about a lurking rake (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 17:45 (one month ago) link

better than the SFWA, which defines Science as "a thing girls don't like."

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 17:54 (one month ago) link

? SFWA is currently headed by a woman and I'm had women among its founding members (Kate Wilhelm at the very least, iirc)

which is not to claim that SF wasn't a deeply sexist genre for decades but still

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 18:04 (one month ago) link

I'm

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 18:04 (one month ago) link

is joke aiui

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 18:13 (one month ago) link

Nora Roberts's statement isn't totally accurate, but it was definitely a bad move from RWA.
https://allaboutromance.com/defining-romance-does-rwa-finally-have-it-right/

wasdnuos (abanana), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 18:39 (one month ago) link

lol wins

maura, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 18:51 (one month ago) link

2005 was a fiery time for the RWA. It seems as if someone at RWA got tired of telling people that romance fiction isn’t just “smut for women” and tried making romance more respectable.

i read a lot of romance as an adolescent BECAUSE i discovered that it was smut for women. discovered in the MOST PERTINENT POSSIBLE WAY

j., Thursday, 9 January 2020 01:03 (one month ago) link

2020 off with a bang in the SFF field:

http://file770.com/clarkesworld-removes-isabel-falls-story/

it's after the end of the world (Matt #2), Thursday, 16 January 2020 15:34 (one month ago) link

Literacy was a mistake.

pomenitul, Thursday, 16 January 2020 15:38 (one month ago) link

That being said, 'I Sexually Identify as an Attack Helicopter' is a well-known alt-right catchphrase. If the story isn't intent on deconstructing that association, I'd say it's fair to file it under 'transphobic'.

pomenitul, Thursday, 16 January 2020 15:40 (one month ago) link

well good thing they removed the story so we can't see whether it was or not

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 16 January 2020 15:52 (one month ago) link

In the above image, a commenter reports that Fall is a trans woman who has requested that her story be withdrawn, wants her payment donated to charity, was trying to subvert anti-trans rhetoric, and is withdrawing all future work. A later comment says that she's not doing well.

— whistling in the dark (@M_L_Clark) January 14, 2020

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 16 January 2020 15:55 (one month ago) link

I read it, am very certain it was intent on deconstructing that association.

emil.y, Thursday, 16 January 2020 15:56 (one month ago) link

I have no idea why people write anything other than transparently unequivocal first-person sentences they'd abide by in a court of law.

pomenitul, Thursday, 16 January 2020 16:02 (one month ago) link

Writing where the genres identify as 'communities', such as YA, sci fi, romance, are always the ones that go apeshit.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 16 January 2020 20:48 (one month ago) link

The conclusion: http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/fall_01_20/

it's after the end of the world (Matt #2), Thursday, 16 January 2020 21:40 (one month ago) link

Victorian poet Michael Field was nominated as poet laureate: then it was discovered he was actually two lesbians writing under a pseudonym.

Literature academic @drsarahparker explains. https://t.co/unYQ2uRhrs

— The Conversation (@ConversationUK) February 3, 2020

j., Tuesday, 4 February 2020 17:10 (two weeks ago) link

xpost -- funnily enough, I was just thinking of Michael Field the other day -- read a biography about their life and work some years back.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 17:15 (two weeks ago) link

https://www.vulture.com/2020/02/representation-matters-penguin-diverse-editions.html

This week, Penguin Random House and Barnes & Noble announced their collaborative effort to, as they put it, “champion the need for diversity in literature.” Timed to Black History Month, the “Diverse Editions” initiative, would have sold a “reimagined collection” of classics “re-outfitted” with covers featuring non-white protagonists. The insides of these books, which includes titles such as Romeo and Juliet, Alice in Wonderland, Moby Dick, and Frankenstein (in which not Dr. Frankenstein, but his inhuman creature is rendered as a black masculine Neanderthal with a fade), were to remain as is. According to the press release, the works were selected with the assistance of an A.I. tasked with mining the text of “100 classic literature books” in order to pick out occasions in which a main character’s race is kept opaque — “assumed” rather than stated plainly. Diverse Editions was rightfully ridiculed for thinking canonical exclusion ought to be remedied cover-first. Days later, after a public backlash, the effort was scrapped.

actually i have read in thomas dunn's 'loneliness as a way of life' an argument that ishmael is pip therefore ishmael is black

j., Sunday, 9 February 2020 05:13 (two weeks ago) link

You thought Dennis Cooper was fiction huh

imago, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 18:36 (one week ago) link

Still talking about Matzneff on the 11th of February 2020? Damn, the NYT is late af.

toilet-cleaning brain surgeon (pomenitul), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 18:59 (one week ago) link

To clarify: The Guardian published an article about it not too long after the news broke in France.

toilet-cleaning brain surgeon (pomenitul), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 19:08 (one week ago) link

According to the press release, the works were selected with the assistance of an A.I.

glad to see tay is still getting work

you know my name, look up the number of the beast (rushomancy), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 19:12 (one week ago) link

j. do you have a copy of the ishmael-is-pip piece, it sounds my kind of thing but i can only find firewalled copies of it

(pausing only to note that its author is called not dunn but dumm) (so even more my kind of thing amirite)

mark s, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 19:26 (one week ago) link

Yeah, pom, but NYT got an interview with Metzeff. It's a good article. Delves into the network surrounding him a bit.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 19:33 (one week ago) link

Ah, fair enough. I'll check it out then.

toilet-cleaning brain surgeon (pomenitul), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 19:38 (one week ago) link

Surprised the American Dirt fiasco hasn't cropped up here yet

akm, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 20:04 (one week ago) link

I brought it up via a NYT link some time ago but nobody felt like discussing it. Old hat by now, I suppose.

toilet-cleaning brain surgeon (pomenitul), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 20:06 (one week ago) link

mark: haven't read the article but i snagged a copy of the book for you, check fb dms.

j., Tuesday, 11 February 2020 20:20 (one week ago) link

ooh thank you :)

mark s, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 20:32 (one week ago) link

the entire romance writers of america board of directors has now resigned

mookieproof, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 20:39 (one week ago) link

I find myself wondering if this mass resignation was due to ethical considerations or because what they thought would be a prestige citation on their CV wasn't fun anymore.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 20:44 (one week ago) link

xpost -- funnily enough, I was just thinking of Michael Field the other day -- read a biography about their life and work some years back.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, February 4, 2020 9:15 AM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

reading about Michael Field and their milieu is very interesting, i mean even if you ignore the whole incestuous auntie/niece victorian poetry duo aspect. their family were southcottians with links also to radical politics, which can take you down some interesting rabbit-holes

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 21:03 (one week ago) link

oh aye, they ended up converting to catholicism also iirc?

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 21:04 (one week ago) link


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