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I'm practical about these quasi-ethical decisions. If I dislike the writer, then burn his shit.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 November 2012 21:52 (eleven years ago) link

just fyi, i was kafka in a play by Alan Bennett called "Kafka's Dick" in college which i highly recommend reading. plot synopsis via wikipedia:

Kafka's Dick is a 1986 play by Alan Bennett.[1] It is play about the nature of fame and how reputations are made.
Plot

Set in the present-day in a suburban Yorkshire dwelling, Kafka aficionado Sydney, and his wife Linda, are visited by Franz Kafka and his friend Max Brod who are both long dead. (Kafka had left instructions for all his works to be burned – instructions which Brod chose to ignore).

As we spend time with the unusual party, it becomes clear that Kafka's wish was for anonymity – and also that he had serious issues with his father. When his parent turns up, he is in possession of a very personal secret relating to his son – one which Kafka is terrified he will disclose.

before you post, consider just admitting you are wrong (jjjusten), Friday, 9 November 2012 21:54 (eleven years ago) link

just read that philip roth wants his papers/archives destroyed when he dies.

tylerw, Friday, 9 November 2012 21:55 (eleven years ago) link

i wish franzen would burn his novels before publishing them.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 9 November 2012 21:57 (eleven years ago) link

Can't believe Philip Roth has TB

buzza, Friday, 9 November 2012 21:57 (eleven years ago) link

first of all, he didn't force a dilemma; his wishes were clear. secondly, again, it's not like he died of old age! the dude got TB and died

― all mods con (k3vin k.), Friday, November 9, 2012 3:39 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not saying he forced a dilemma because his wish wasn't clear, the wish itself, cearly expressed, was the dick move; he knew his friend would want to publish it but told him not to & died

flopson, Friday, 9 November 2012 21:58 (eleven years ago) link

lol J.D.

horseshoe, Friday, 9 November 2012 21:59 (eleven years ago) link

i wish franzen would burn his novels before publishing them.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 November 2012 22:00 (eleven years ago) link

related: vladimir nabokov's son eventually publishing the notes for his unfinished novel against his express wishes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Original_of_Laura

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 9 November 2012 22:00 (eleven years ago) link

i've entrusted my daughter with terrabytes of unreleased aerosmith mp3s to publish on the event of my death

captain angeroo (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 9 November 2012 22:06 (eleven years ago) link

sweet, can't wait for the nine lives outtakes
didn't vladimir's ghost visit his son and tell him it was cool take the $$$$

tylerw, Friday, 9 November 2012 22:09 (eleven years ago) link

& vlad's son was like thank you ghost dad

tylerw, Friday, 9 November 2012 22:10 (eleven years ago) link

Honkin' on Brodo

buzza, Friday, 9 November 2012 22:11 (eleven years ago) link

take your brod off

tylerw, Friday, 9 November 2012 22:13 (eleven years ago) link

give my regards to brod street

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 November 2012 22:14 (eleven years ago) link

even tho I think it is stupid to care about what dead people want on any level, if you are gonna do that I think you should also project what these guys future opinions would be ie what would resurrected kafka 2012 think about being celebrated as one of the GOAT, he would probably like it, in fact he would probably think pre-2012 kafka was crazy.

iatee, Friday, 9 November 2012 22:19 (eleven years ago) link

I'd worry if there was a heaven.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 November 2012 22:20 (eleven years ago) link

at my funeral they will release 100 doves each with a CD-R of Jimmy Crespo guitar solo outtakes tied to their leg

captain angeroo (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 9 November 2012 22:21 (eleven years ago) link

right, but jewish people don't even believe in heaven, so if you are worried about kafka-in-the-afterlife being pissed off you are at the same time insulting his religious beliefs

xp

iatee, Friday, 9 November 2012 22:21 (eleven years ago) link

in conclusion anyone who doesn't love max brod is anti-semitic

iatee, Friday, 9 November 2012 22:23 (eleven years ago) link

Romney baptized Kafka

buzza, Friday, 9 November 2012 22:23 (eleven years ago) link

is Kafka in Gehenna?

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 November 2012 22:24 (eleven years ago) link

Get a load of the manuscripts on that Brod!

Un monde où tout le monde est heureux, même les riches (Michael White), Friday, 9 November 2012 22:53 (eleven years ago) link

http://stuartnoel.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/nice-beaver.gif

"Nice, brod!"

"Thanks! I had the manuscripts pulled out of the fire this morning."

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 November 2012 22:55 (eleven years ago) link

aero how do you feel about ted hughes burning sylvia plath's diaries?

I used to be like most Plath fanboys in high school about this (i.e. Ted you monster) and then this year I was reading more stuff about Plath and her attitude toward parenting and I guess Ted's claim is "the children really didn't need to ever hear that shit"? Paris Review, Spring 1995:

INTERVIEWER

Would you talk about burning Plath’s journals?

HUGHES

What I actually destroyed was one journal that covered maybe two or three months, the last months. And it was just sad. I just didn’t want her children to see it, no. Particularly her last days.

which seems like a decent reason to destroy them.

Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:02 (eleven years ago) link

aero, have you read Janet Malcolm's book on Plath?

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:03 (eleven years ago) link

but then again

On the other hand Assia was probably behind Hughes’ burning of Plath’s final diary, the cause of great ill feeling toward Hughes among Plath scholars and enthusiasts, because she could not live with the hatred Plath expressed toward her there. She may also have found evidence that Plath’s original plan was to take her children with her in death, as in the Ariel poem “Edge.” (Koren and Negev quote a friend of Mrs. Plath’s to this effect.)

from here, a review of a book about a woman with whom Hughes had an affair. Who also committed suicide, using the same method Plath did.

xp no, I haven't

Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:10 (eleven years ago) link

Am I reading you correctly that you haven't read any Kafka or Plath since high school?

boxall, Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:14 (eleven years ago) link

he hasn't read a book since high school

idiot man-child (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:16 (eleven years ago) link

books were mainly a high school thing for me

Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:17 (eleven years ago) link

Recording deep cuts on Rock and a Hard Place distracted him.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:19 (eleven years ago) link

it's okay, man, i've never even read a book

idiot man-child (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:19 (eleven years ago) link

serious answer - no, I haven't read Kafka since I was a teenager. Plath I return to every few years. Her journals aren't her work, she prepared Ariel for publication iirc, there's controversy over the order I think but she had it in MS

Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:19 (eleven years ago) link

unless archie double digest counts

idiot man-child (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:19 (eleven years ago) link

though i never did read that unpublished archie ghostwritten by sylvia plath that got leaked to the internet a couple years back

idiot man-child (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:20 (eleven years ago) link

from what i understand it was the bleakest jughead/big ethel shit though

idiot man-child (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:21 (eleven years ago) link

Kafka's one of my blind spots. Every time I remind myself to reread him I go, "I will. What's for dinner?"

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:22 (eleven years ago) link

he would have approved of your basic indifference

idiot man-child (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:23 (eleven years ago) link

i basically had to read all the major kafkas three times to 'get' them but it's totally worth it.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:25 (eleven years ago) link

from what i understand it was the bleakest jughead/big ethel shit though

yeah it was almost...kafkaesque

Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:26 (eleven years ago) link

archie's world is pretty kafkaesque anyway

idiot man-child (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:27 (eleven years ago) link

perpetual adolescents trapped in the same banal routine for 60 years, overseen by indifferent higher powers

idiot man-child (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:28 (eleven years ago) link

good description of ILX

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:30 (eleven years ago) link

good description of life imo

idiot man-child (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:31 (eleven years ago) link

but then i'm pretty kafkaesque

idiot man-child (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:31 (eleven years ago) link

http://www.boingboing.net/filesroot/200912211140.jpg

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:31 (eleven years ago) link

omg

Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:32 (eleven years ago) link

yeah that's classic

Force Boxman (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 10 November 2012 01:00 (eleven years ago) link

serious answer - no, I haven't read Kafka since I was a teenager. Plath I return to every few years. Her journals aren't her work, she prepared Ariel for publication iirc, there's controversy over the order I think but she had it in MS

― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:19 (57 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yahhh this shit is way more heinous on hughes' part than burning diaries tbh?

Yorkshire lass born and bred, that's me, said Katriona's hologram. (thomp), Saturday, 10 November 2012 01:20 (eleven years ago) link


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