― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Thursday, 25 October 2012 00:28 (six years ago) Permalink
ok I'm never opening this thread again
― sug sug sputnik (seandalai), Thursday, 25 October 2012 00:29 (six years ago) Permalink
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Thursday, 25 October 2012 00:29 (six years ago) Permalink
He would do well in a hunter-gatherer-type of society.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 25 October 2012 00:29 (six years ago) Permalink
Nah. He'd lose muscle mass like crazy in a hunter-gatherer society, cuz hunting is only a marginal source of protein and calories in such societies.
― Aimless, Thursday, 25 October 2012 00:31 (six years ago) Permalink
Plus if he tried to run he'd just tip over.
― Gary Mayonnaise (Old Lunch), Thursday, 25 October 2012 00:53 (six years ago) Permalink
all his gym equipment would just be rocks
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Thursday, 25 October 2012 00:54 (six years ago) Permalink
karl malone to thread
― all mods con (k3vin k.), Thursday, 25 October 2012 01:01 (six years ago) Permalink
― buzza, Thursday, 25 October 2012 01:18 (six years ago) Permalink
The navel on that guy is ugly as sin.
― Aimless, Thursday, 25 October 2012 01:22 (six years ago) Permalink
Never done this, but I think it would be... relaxing? Does that make sense? De-stressing, anyway.
Is it supposed to be combined with cardio in particular ways?
Could I do it at home without practicing with a trainer at a gym first, or would that inevitably lead to screwing up?
― ljubljana, Thursday, 25 October 2012 01:28 (six years ago) Permalink
is this any weight lifting or only free weights, olympic lifts?
― 乒乓, Thursday, 25 October 2012 01:31 (six years ago) Permalink
it's just getting sw0le
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Thursday, 25 October 2012 01:33 (six years ago) Permalink
kk *getting sw0le*
― 乒乓, Thursday, 25 October 2012 01:35 (six years ago) Permalink
i got this book called the new rules of lifting for women and i finished stage 1 but instead of moving on i decided to keep working on basic things and doing things i want to do. i did it at the gym. i think there are limited things you can do at home but not all of it. ljub aren't you in school? you have a gym! it's best to have access to barbell and heavy dumbbells. it is very de-stressing. you don't have to do cardio. it's like how you are supposed to feel after yoga but not bored. i did not use a trainer. it only felt awkward for a few times then i started to not give a shit about looking dumb. my gym is all gays anyway. i watched some youtubes about how to do stuff.
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Thursday, 25 October 2012 01:38 (six years ago) Permalink
um what's the difference betweengetting sw0le and getting swOle? and which one is easier to accomplish if I'm not the bodybuilding type? swole with an O sounds like it might be more work.
― and yet (unregistered), Thursday, 25 October 2012 01:38 (six years ago) Permalink
one is on i rate everything, one is for a general audience
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Thursday, 25 October 2012 01:41 (six years ago) Permalink
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Thursday, 25 October 2012 01:48 (six years ago) Permalink
xp yeah, I'm in school, but the gym is kind of far and I'm too stressed out to make it a priority to get there. Home I might actually do. 'Like yoga without the bored' is exactly what I'm after.
― ljubljana, Thursday, 25 October 2012 03:05 (six years ago) Permalink
frank yang appreciation the2ad
― dylannn, Thursday, 25 October 2012 03:38 (six years ago) Permalink
― (╯︵╰,) RIP (am0n), Thursday, 25 October 2012 05:06 (six years ago) Permalink
― Online Webinar Event for Dads (harbl), Thursday, 25 October 2012 11:35 (six years ago) Permalink
Mark Rippetoe's Starting Strength Routine:
*note the dip/chin isnt in the original program
Here is a routine from Mark Rippetoe’s book called “Starting Strength”. You can buy the book at www.startingstrength.com. It includes endless useful info that all beginners should learn. But as for the program he suggests, his clients that he gives it to on AVERAGE gain 30-40 pounds in about 6 months or so which is amazing gains.
The program is as follows:
You alternate Workout A and Workout B every other day, 3 times a week. So you could either do Mon, Wed, Fri or Tues, Thurs. and Sat. Depending on what works best for you.
Monday - Workout AWednesday -Workout BFriday - Workout A
Monday - Workout BWednesday - Workout AFriday - Workout B
For the actual workouts read below:
Note: This doesn’t include warm-up sets
**Means this is OPTIONAL**
Workout A 3x5 Squat3x5 Bench Press1x5 Deadlift**2x8 Dips (if you cant do these or no assist machine then do Decline Dumbbell Bench Press with your hands Facing each other)
Workout B3x5 Squat3x5 Standing military press3x5 Pendlay or Bent Rows (or power cleans)**2x8 Chin-ups (recommended mainly if doing the cleans)
Most people cant get it through there head that compound lifts also work your arms Plenty and always Insist on direct arm work. As quoted by Madcow2, “Don't **** with this. Every bodybuilder seems to have Attention Deficit Disorder and an overwhelming desire to customize everything.” If you are one of these people note that you have the option of doing the dips and chins which give PLENTY of arm work. Abdominal work is fine to do also if needed.
I recommend weighted decline sit-ups and/or Hanging Leg Raises at 2x8-10.
As for the weight, make sure that you use the SAME weight throughout the sets. For example if I do the first set if Squats with 200lbs then I do the other 2 sets of squats with 200lbs.
Every week make it a goal to increase each of your lifts by 2.5%. Meaning if I lifted 100lbs for my Bench Week 1 then Week 2 I would try for 102.5lbs. If I did 200lb Squats Week 1 I would try for 205lbs in Week 2. Sometimes you will be able to do more but don’t mess with your form just to lift more.
Before all your working sets it is best to do a few warm-up sets. Specifically for your first lift. You don’t have to do the whole thing for the other lifts but definitely the first.
What you do is you ramp your weight up to your working sets.
2x5xbar (sets x reps x weight)1x5x851x3x1251x2x155
And the working set weight would be 175.
If you are lifting your working sets under 150 I would cut out the 3rd warmup set of 1x5 because it wont be needed.
**Used references and quotes from Madcow2 and Bodybuilding.com**
Barbell Squat: These should be full range Olympic style squats. Use the full range of your body - that means as low as you can go which for almost everyone is past parallel. If the top of your thighs aren't at least parallel it's for sh!t. If you think this is bad for your knees going low, you and whoever told you that are relying on an old wives tale. Anyone who knows the human body will tell you that below parallel is MUCH safer on the knees whereas parallel and above put all the sheer right on them and doesn’t allow proper transfer of the load to the rest of your body (this is how your body was designed).
Rest a barbell on the upper portion of your back, not your neck. Firmly grip the bar with your hands almost twice your shoulder width apart. Position your feet about shoulder width apart and your toes should be pointing just a little outward with your knees in the same direction. Keep your back as straight as possible and your chin up, bend your knees and slowly lower your hips straight down until your THIGHS ARE AT LEAST PARALLEL TO THE FLOOR. Once you reach the bottom position, press the weight up back to the starting position.
To be honest ATG (Ass to the Grass) squats work the best IMO. What you do is you go ALL the way down until your hamstrings touch your calves and keep the same Olympic squat form.
Barbell Deadlift: Each rep is deweighted fully on the floor. No touch and go. This is called the 'dead'lift because the weight is 'dead' on the ground. You can touch and go warm ups but that's it.
This is a very complicated exercise so here is bodybuilding.com’s detailed instructions on this lift.
Flat Barbell Bench Press: Lie on a flat bench and firmly position your feet flat on the floor a little more than shoulder width apart. Keep your back flat on the bench! Using a grip broader than shoulder width, hold the barbell above your body, then lower slowly to the middle of your chest. Without bouncing the weight off your chest, drive the barbell up over the middle of your chest until your arms are straight and your elbows are locked. Lower the bar down slowly.
Standing Barbell Military Press: Standing overhead presses. Supporting weight overhead is a fundamental exercise and stimulates the whole body.Raise barbell to your chest with your hands shoulder width apart. Lock your legs and hips. Keep your elbows in, slightly under your bar. Press bar to arm's length overhead. Lower to your upper chest or chin (depending on what is comfortable).
Bent Barbell Row: Raise barbell to your chest with your hands shoulder width apart. Lock your legs and hips. Keep your elbows in, slightly under your bar. Press bar to arm's length overhead. Lower to your upper chest or chin (depending on what is comfortable).
Chin-Up: Hold the chin-up bar with a supinated grip (palms facing you) with your hands about 6 to 8 inches apart. Pull yourself up and try to touch either your chin or upper chest to the bar. Return slowly to the starting position. Do NOT swing back and forth! Using this grip works more of your biceps than your back or lats.
Dip: Using the parallel bars, grip the handles and push yourself up to your starting position. With elbows close to body and hips straight, lower body until shoulders are slightly stretched. Push body up in same posture and repeat. You can bend and cross your legs or keep them straight.
If you are bulking, which is what people usually do on this program, you need to be eating like there is no tomorrow. 3000-4000 calories a day. Make sure you get 1 to 2 x your bodyweight in protein (in grams) and more than that in carbs. Mark Rippetoe also suggests that you drink up to a gallon of milk a day and plenty of water.
Your bulk could be clean but its hard to do so. I suggest just going all out and getting any protein you can get your hands on. For example lean grilled chicken and egg whites is best but if you want to gain that muscle fast then ground beef, steaks, whole eggs, cheeses etc is great. Eat a lot of oats, pasta, wheat bread, yogurt, cottage cheese, tuna, etc.
Make sure you get a huge breakfast. Mark recommends 4 huge meals a day with breakfast being the largest. Make sure all your meals have plenty of both carbs and protein! Also look into getting a PWO shake for post workout to get some carbs DIRECTLY into your system when your done lifting. Then an hour later eat a meal. Its also good to eat a snack before bed. Just remember to get big you need to eat big because eating is 90% of your muscle gains.
Quote:1. What are ATG Squats?ATG is short of Ass To Grass. It means a full squat. Go as low as you can go.Squat depth is extremely important and makes a huge difference in your development. Going deeper is more uncomfortable and difficult, but by far more beneficial. Not only does greater depth require greater muscle fiber recruitment, which means greater overall training benefits, but the degree of squat depth strongly influences the loading of the different hip and torso extensor muscles and stabilizers.[kethnaab]Hamstring flexibility and structure will ultimately decide how low you can go without your lower back rounding under (which is VERY bad bad bad). Each person's structure will differ, so what is "ATG" to one may not be ATG to another. Ultimately, you cannot control your structure, but you CAN control your flexibility, so ensure adequate hamstring flexibility to maximize benefits, range of motion, and safety.
2. I've got large legs already. Do I really need to squat?Yes. You need to squat. Squating will stimulate growth in the whole body given that the leg muscles are so big. If you take the squats out, then this isn't Starting Strength anymore. Still not convinced? Read this
3. I work out at home. I don't have a squat rack. How can I do this routine?You need to be able to squat. This is the single most important thing in the program. Get a part time job to make enough to buy a squat/power rack or gym membership. Without someplace to squat you absolutely cannot do this program.
There is also an alternative if you've already got a bench. Did you consider grabbing the barbell from the back of your bench? You may need to re-arrange your home gym, but you may well be able to squat from behind your bench setup.
4. Do I need a belt?No. You shouldn't need a belt. A belt will take away from the natural 'core' belt that we're all equiped with. If you wear a belt, you'll become more reliant on this and your core muscles will not get a workout.
Later in your training, you may need to use a belt, but for now, part of "Starting Strength" includes "Starting your Core Strength" to prepare you for your further training.
5. I know this is mainly for building strength and mass. Can I do it while I cut?[kethnaab]Newcomers can frequently add muscle so rapidly that, with a clean diet, they will lose bodyfat as if they were cutting. Also note, cutting typically involves an abundance of cardio, which will be VERY detrimental to gains. Younger fellows especially will probably be able to get away with zero cardio while on this program, and will notice a substantial fat loss.
[Ripstone]Cutting is more about changing your nutrition plan, not your lifting routine. One is going to find it very difficult(if not near impossible) to gain size on a cut, however strength gains on a cut can(and should) occur. In order to gain size you need to a) eat a caloirc surplus, which during a cut one is obviously not doing b) progess in the weight you use, which "Starting Strength" will take care of.
In order to gain strength you need to:a) progress in the weight you use, which again "Starting Strength" should accomplish. b) become more neurually efficent c) obviously progress in the weight you use.
However, you DO NOT need to eat a caloric surplus to gain strength, it just makes it easier to gain strength if you do eat at a calories surplus, but again you DO NOT need to do so.
6. My arms are small, and there isn't any direct work for the arms. Can I add in some curls?Your arms will still get worked through every day through the Bent Over rows (or PowerCleans) and with pressing and pulling motions.
Do NOT add any arm work for AT LEAST the first 2-3 weeks. At this point in time, you can add in dips and chins on alternating workouts, 2 sets of 8 reps (Add weight if needed).As your workload increases, you can add a 3rd set and more weight to keep your repetitions at 5 reps per setNote: According to the book Starting Strength, this additional work is not included.
7. It seems like I'd have this all done within 10 minutes of walking into the gym. Is that all there is to this program?Yes. That's it, but you need to take into account that there are warm up sets. Overall, this workout should take you around 45 mins to complete, which is ample for a workout.The amount of time you spend lifting really doesn't matter all that much. All the matters is if you are progressing in the weight you use as often as possible(ie; adding weight to the bar, which is the goal of "Starting Strength").
8. I keep hearing different opinions of how to progress. Do I need to increase EVERY workout?That's right. The intention is that you start light. You should be able to add 2.5% of each lift every workout. However, if you feel it was heavy for you then do the same weight next time. It's recommended that you do this only to a maximum of 3 workouts in succession. If you're still having trouble, then you'll need to reset for this weight.
[kethnaab]Keep in mind that adding repetitions is also progress. If you try 100 lbs and get 5, 5, and 3 repetitions on your 3 sets, then next workout, you try 100 again. As long as you get 5, 5, and 4 (or 5), then you are progressing. Adding weight to the squat on a weekly basis is a must, however. There should be no reason to go 2 consecutive weeks using the same weight.
9. Why is there only 1 set of 5 for deadlift? Surely that's wrongNo. Again, these are the working sets and don't include warm ups. Deadlifts are a very intense exercise for the body, and is ample in conjuction with the squats being done.Trust the program as it is. Mark Rippetoe has the knowledge to create it. Have faith and trust that it will work for you.
10. What is a good rest interval?As for the rest interval, Rippetoe suggests 1-2 minutes for the worksets, with no rest needed for warmups You can take up to 3 minutes for the heavy sets, depending on how you feel.
11. I think I hurt myself doing the squats. The bone at the top of my neck is sore[kethnaab]
1) Use the closest grip on the bar you can use comfortably. This forces your upper back, delts and traps to tighten up and support the bar better.
2) Make sure your elbows are BEHIND the bar, not underneath the bar. This takes strain off your wrists and helps ensure your delts, traps and upper back muscles are flexing nice and tight during the squat.
3) Do NOT NOT NOT look up! This is ridiculous! This forces your upper body to lean forward slightly as it will naturally put the bar off center. Just look forward, i.e. neck in a "neural" position. If you were to stick a grapefruit underneath your chin and hold it there for the duration of the squat, your upper back and neck would maintain proper alignment. You'd also look liike a jackass, but that's beside the point.
12. What angle rows are we talking about here, is 45 degress ok that is what I usually do with bent over rows.[kethnaab] ideally, rows will be done with your body parallel to the floor. Go here and wade through to the bottom where I describe (and post a nifty pic) of how to do the row properly (known as "Pendlay rows" or "JS Rows"
13. So, if i do the Rippetoe's program, and eat a lot of protein and all those calories, wouldn't I get fat, instead of gain muscle? all those calories kind of a lot.As commonly seen, "Lifting builds strength, eating builds muscle". If you ate all those calories while you sat on the couch and didn't lift weights, then yes. However, given the workload of this program it will assist with building muscle
Age and, of course, metabolic rate, play a role. Typically, a skinny teenager will be able to eat anything and everything he sees, as long as he is lifting with this program. The eating will fully support the training. Chubby teens or older people will obviously need to cut back a bit on the caloric info, and as mentioned earlier in the cutting question, a clean-eating trainee can gain a significant amount of strength and muscle mass while burning bodyfat, and cardio won't necessarily be required.
14. How long do I do this program?You continue doing it until you stop progressing.
15. I know my 5RM for each of the exercises. Do I just start with that?No. It's intended that you start light, and that you shouldn't even KNOW your 5RM. If you do, then you can safely start with 70% of your 5RM, and start progressing from there. Yes. It will seem light, but you'll be lifting your 5RM (and more) before long as you're adding every workout
16. I'm not in the US. How can I buy the book?You can try www.amazon.com. I'm in Australia (Short One), and I've been informed and seen that the cost to Australia isn't too bad. 11.98USD (as of 20-Jun-2006) for one book. Cheaper if you buy more than 1 book
18. Is doing cardio ok with this program?It's fine to do moderate cardio with this program.Note: Beginners will build enough muscle with a clean diet that that fat will be burnt with minimal to no cardio.
19. I see lots of people saying PR!!! what does PR stand for?Personal Record.
20. Is taking creatine and an NO ok with this routine? such as cellmass and NO-xplode?It's fine but it likely won't make much difference. The most important thing is to be eating a lot of quality nutritious food. Diet is the big factor, supplements are a very small factor and not at all necessary.
21. Is it ok if I do militaries seated?. I have a low ceiling and I'll punch a hole in the ceiling if I do.It is recommended that you do them standing up as it will give your core a workout as well stablizing.However, if doing them outside/elsewhere is not an option then doing them seated is better than not doing them at all. If you have to do them seated be mindfull of your form so that you don't turn it into an incline press
22. Do I have to do the workouts on Mon, Wed, Fri?The requirement is 3 nonconsecutive days each week. The exact days are up to you.You don't have to do it on Mon, Wed, Fri. You can do Tue, Thu, Sat, as long as you're having at LEAST 1 day rest between each workout. If you can't manage this, then the program is not right for you at this point in time.
23. My calves are lagging. What exercise can I do to bring them up?If you're not already doing the Power Cleans with this routine, you may wish to consider doing them, as doing PowerCleans properly encourages the use of the calvesSquats will work your calves too, and as all pro is quick to point out. "Have you ever seen a powerlifter with small calves?"I started the program this week, and am looking forward to the strength gains that are bound to come.
A couple of things I've learned sofar:
Warmups:It's always a good idea to do a warmup that closely resembles what you're about to do for the main part of your workout session. In this case, the strength session, we want to start off with bodyweight or lightweight excercises that mimick the excercises that are about to come, and work up to our 50-90% max. This is not set in stone, if you want to do burpees, pullups and squat-jumps as your warmup feel free to do so.
Most people however, including BlessedSamurai (to name a familiar name ) and other strength and conditioning coaches, do something similar this:
1x8 Bar1x6 50%1x4 70%1x2 90%3x5 100% (Work Set)
Rest periods:Keep the rest periods between 60-120 seconds, you can get away with 60 seconds or less when the weights are still light. As the weight increases you might want to add to the rest times aswell. I'm with Chad Waterbury on this when he says keep the rest periods low for strength and muscle gains.
Quote:Originally Posted by Chad WaterburyI define short rest periods as any time less than two minutes between sets. The antiquated 3-5 minute rest periods recommended in every ****** newsstand muscle mag made me incredulous. As it turned out, my instincts were right on target.
My empirical evidence has shown that short rest periods will lead to a great hypertrophy response. In other words, five sets of ten reps with 60 second rest periods will induce more hypertrophy than five sets of ten reps with three minute rest periods. An even better option is to utilize short rest periods with low-rep (1-5 repetition) training parameters. This is precisely what 50% of my ABBH program is based on.
If you keep the rest periods short, you’ll stay more focused. In addition, you’ll keep the nervous system revved up, and you’ll get out of the gym quicker. For certain trainees who only seek maximal strength increases, shorter rest periods are still possible by alternating between opposing muscle groups (antagonist training).
Bottom line: If you seek hypertrophy, keep your rest periods under two minutes. It’s preferable to utilize a 60-90 second range when training more than six sets at a load greater than 80% of your 1RM.Extra excercises: (Accessory Work)Again, the accessory work isn't set in stone, but it's a good bet to add chins and dips with a set/rep range that you're comfortable with. I'm using 3x3 for pullups and adding 1 rep every week, I'm also doing GTG for pullups on a daily basis so I kept the workload low.
The program calls for either Rows or Snatches, you might want to do both, so here's what another forum member did:Quote:Originally Posted by Tad_TWorkout 1
Core liftsSquats = warmup then 3 x 5Bench = warmup then 3 x 5Deadlift = warmup then 1 x 5
Accessory WorkDips = 3 setsPendlay rows = warmup then 3 x 5Abs = 3 sets
Core liftsSquats = warmup then 3 x 5Overhead press = warmup then 3 x 5Power clean = warmup then 3 x 5
Accessory workPullups = 3 setsAbs = 3 sets
― carne asada, Thursday, 25 October 2012 13:12 (six years ago) Permalink
What's going on itt?
I'm kinda swole and looking for a community.
― (*・_・)ノ⌒ ☆ (Je55e), Thursday, 25 October 2012 15:30 (six years ago) Permalink
it's about lifting heavy shit
― carne asada, Thursday, 25 October 2012 15:37 (six years ago) Permalink
do your squats and deadlifts yo
― carne asada, Thursday, 25 October 2012 15:39 (six years ago) Permalink
i do something pretty much like what carne asada posted there
― goole, Thursday, 25 October 2012 15:40 (six years ago) Permalink
i drink a lot of whole milk but that "gallon a day" business is crazy
― goole, Thursday, 25 October 2012 15:41 (six years ago) Permalink
i hit a PR last week! overhead press 100lb 3x5
― goole, Thursday, 25 October 2012 15:42 (six years ago) Permalink
did 2x2x2x2x2 of heavy box squats yesterday
― carne asada, Thursday, 25 October 2012 15:43 (six years ago) Permalink
Milo z. to thread he knows what's up
― carne asada, Thursday, 25 October 2012 15:46 (six years ago) Permalink
if you get annoyed by old dudes with wack form and young dudes doing curls, this thread is for you
― goole, Thursday, 25 October 2012 15:48 (six years ago) Permalink
if you get annoyed by people who don't squat past horizontal and put that foam roller thing on the bar, this thread is for you
― caek, Thursday, 25 October 2012 16:24 (six years ago) Permalink
my squat is good, my overhead press is feeble.
― caek, Thursday, 25 October 2012 16:25 (six years ago) Permalink
also my row form is pretty awful (via hilarious flexibility)
strict OHP always makes me feel so weak because i want to dip at the knees and get a little jump in.
― carne asada, Thursday, 25 October 2012 16:31 (six years ago) Permalink
about 6 months ago i could not even do an air squat to depth without falling over but my squat is pretty good now
― carne asada, Thursday, 25 October 2012 16:34 (six years ago) Permalink
are u guys gonna beat someone up
― (╯︵╰,) RIP (am0n), Thursday, 25 October 2012 16:36 (six years ago) Permalink
too old to get swole, but I support this thread
watch that lower back position, y'all
― Brad C., Thursday, 25 October 2012 16:47 (six years ago) Permalink
i am not getting sw0le, but i am getting fat. maybe i can get fat and sw0le.
― toto coolio (clouds), Thursday, 25 October 2012 16:51 (six years ago) Permalink
Yes im always super deliberate on my lifts for fear of messing up my back xp
― carne asada, Thursday, 25 October 2012 17:13 (six years ago) Permalink
I'm just lurking here bc I'm somewhat interested, though I can barely lift my groceries
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 25 October 2012 17:16 (six years ago) Permalink
also bc cheering on harbl :)
i knew i'd hit some kind of beginner threshold for sw0leness when i found myself enjoying mark rippetoe youtubes for an hour at a time
― goole, Thursday, 25 October 2012 17:25 (six years ago) Permalink
― caek, Thursday, 25 October 2012 17:36 (six years ago) Permalink
I recently hired a personal trainer on a contract for a tremendous number of sessions to ensure my commitment to working out, and despite certain small wrenches in the works, it's starting off nicely and making me feel good about the mid-term future of my physical and mental health. Last time I had a trainer I was only half-assing it (drinking tons (not drinking at all now) skipping sessions, not really 100% in the game) but the cosmetic results still blew me away. That's not what I'm in it for, and body definition is gravy that will make the other benefits extra good.
― (*・_・)ノ⌒ ☆ (Je55e), Thursday, 25 October 2012 17:56 (six years ago) Permalink
honestly part of the mental game with this for me was finally admitting to myself that yes, a strong minority motivation was 'cosmetic'
― goole, Thursday, 25 October 2012 18:01 (six years ago) Permalink
goole congrats on being sw0le :)
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 25 October 2012 18:02 (six years ago) Permalink
oh man i'm nowhere near my sw0le g0ls
― goole, Thursday, 25 October 2012 18:04 (six years ago) Permalink
learning to do olympic/power lifts *correctly* (or so i hope) in the past year or so has been really mind-blowing. sort of a light turning on: "so THIS is what it's supposed to feel like." I actually enjoy squatting, dead-lifting, and all that now. and i pretty much gave up any exercise that doesn't work at least a few muscle groups at a time.
i go to the gym every 4th day (doing yoga on the 3 days in between) and try to pack in the protein and i've never felt better in my life.
― ryan, Thursday, 25 October 2012 18:04 (six years ago) Permalink
Also started a low carb diet and cutting off eating after 9. Got fat from trying to eat for lifting. Reality is I’m not training for a meet here.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 03:08 (two weeks ago) Permalink
i get paranoid I'm going to crunch the bar into a vertebra on high-bar
― Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 11:09 (two weeks ago) Permalink
what i would really like to do is front squat but the few times i tried it were like whoa
― Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 11:10 (two weeks ago) Permalink
you gotta keep trying. i was high bar squatting a bit but the truth is i just hate doing it. i, too, have to keep trying, but i'm long
― forensic plumber (harbl), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 11:42 (two weeks ago) Permalink
i am going to front squat tomorrow
Today is the start of my second week on the new program, also with high bar squats, so I don't have a ton of data to add to this but it sounds like my experience was largely the same- core stabilization issues while being able to break parallel easily meant that I was putting most of the stress from the low bar on my lumbar spine and hips. And hip hinging is important in the movement but the larger muscle groups that are supposed to be doing most of the work felt like they weren't active at all. Moving to high bar, it was suddenly all ass and quads, which is what I'm trying to do in the first place, so hopefully this turns out to be sustainable/something I can progress.
― You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 14:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink
high bar is so nice u can make a shelf for the bar to sit on by pushing you shoulder blades way back then you barely have to use yr arms to stabilize the bar at all it just sits there, that setup also goes a long way towards making yr core good and tight for the lift
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 16:23 (two weeks ago) Permalink
front squats feel like a more contrived form w the bar all up in yr throat space and elbows forward etc
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 16:25 (two weeks ago) Permalink
i have been doing them tho because of the clean n jerk
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 16:26 (two weeks ago) Permalink
one downside of the c&j is sometimes u nail yrself in the adams apple w the bar
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 16:27 (two weeks ago) Permalink
I've just sat so much for so much of my life that all kinds of squats feel like making my body speak a second language.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 17:53 (two weeks ago) Permalink
i consider it a project, i figure out new weird shit my body is up to all the time
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 19:38 (two weeks ago) Permalink
ive decided i dont ef w the bench anymore the bench is for cowards
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 19:44 (two weeks ago) Permalink
u mean bench press or squatting to a bench?
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 20:08 (two weeks ago) Permalink
anything to do with the bench i dont acknowledge the bench anymore
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 20:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink
what do you do for chest then?
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 20:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink
its just like whatre u doing lying down on the job?
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 20:16 (two weeks ago) Permalink
i only do the clean and jerk and related lifts front squat rows overhead press, i never liked the bench really
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 20:18 (two weeks ago) Permalink
― lag∞n, Wednesday, May 29, 2019 4:14 PM (three minutes ago)
gotta use the bench for those bulgarian split squats tho
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 20:19 (two weeks ago) Permalink
i dont even know what that is im just a simple man who hates the bench aka the cowards apparatus
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 20:21 (two weeks ago) Permalink
lol look it up it's a great exercise and you only use the bench to stabilize your foot
but bench press is for lames . when do i ever need to press something away from my body like that with such force, idk?
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 20:24 (two weeks ago) Permalink
i might start doing a lift that involves throwing the bench out the window
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 20:25 (two weeks ago) Permalink
I lying-down-press my kids all the time, they love it
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 20:31 (two weeks ago) Permalink
the true functional strength
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 21:50 (two weeks ago) Permalink
for real like 90% of the functional strength in my life is some form of throwing/swinging/lifting my kids.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 21:52 (two weeks ago) Permalink
Saw a guy benching 405 for reps at my gym. He looked like absolute shit. A good reminder that I’d be fooling myself to say I only work out for strength.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 3 June 2019 13:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink
treat lifting like yoga imho
― lag∞n, Monday, 3 June 2019 17:35 (two weeks ago) Permalink
on a more keeping it positive note, on thursday i went during the day and found a 45-ish woman trying to rearrange the entire dumbbell rack. i am always going NUTS over people who put their dumbbells in odd spots, which results in others putting theirs away separately. she said "i can't be the only woman who hates this!" lol. i am not a neat person but putting weights back incorrectly really grinds my gears. but by today it was all messed up again. they did get a bunch of 2.5 increment dumbbells though.
― forensic plumber (harbl), Saturday, February 23, 2019 7:20 PM (three months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
a short time after this, perhaps because she or someone else complained, they put labels on the rack. i believe this may have made things worse. or more accurately, my perception of the dumbbell chaos is worse. you literally cannot put a dumbbell back in the correct place because it took no time at all for the chain reaction of wrong placement to fuck everything up. this includes people who decide to put, for example, one 60 lb db where a second 25 should go, and the next in the adjacent place for a 30. every time i try to put something back in the correct place i need to move on average 3 sets of dumbbells, and sometimes i just quit because i can't find the original wrong in that chain, if that makes sense. today for fun i moved around 55s, 65s, 85s, 20s, 25s, and 30s, just to put away the 40s i had used. people may think i am insane but i think this is RUDE. why would you put an 80lb dumbbell in the top rack where like a 15 belongs!?!?!?!?
― forensic plumber (harbl), Monday, 10 June 2019 01:03 (one week ago) Permalink
that cld be yr workout
― lag∞n, Monday, 10 June 2019 02:34 (one week ago) Permalink
― Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 June 2019 06:46 (one week ago) Permalink
I'm down 4 lbs and .7% bodyfat, woot
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 10 June 2019 13:59 (one week ago) Permalink
I've kind of had it with the powerlifting approach to lifting weights. I love powerlifting, but I just don't know if it's for me anymore. It's been a long erosion of my enthusiasm stemming from setbacks caused tby injuries - mostly suffered while doing heavy (close to max) lower body movements. I started lifting when I was in my late 30s, made great progress with Starting Strength, Texas Method, and 5/3/1. I think after the first 18th months or so, I suffered my first back injury. That put me out of business for two months or so, and set back my progress, but I went back even more determined to defy age and all of the people telling me I shouldn't be subjecting my body to that kind of punishment. I'd get back up to where I was before, pushing new 1RMs, get hurt, go back, and repeat. My lifting log is a chronicle of coming back from injuries. My form is good. I've always been a student of form - the beauty of a precise movement is one of the things I enjoy most about lifting. I'm an experienced lifter who has been lifting consistently for 8 years. I've had experienced lifters and coaches evaluate my form and and give glowing feedback.
In the last eight months or so, I've noticed nerve discomfort down my leg. I'm pretty sure it's sciatica, probably caused by a herniated disc which would explain a lot. I've scaled back - almost entirely gotten rid of - squats and deadlifts. Have been doing a lot of hill running, some sled pulling stuff as well.
Anyway, yesterday while at the gym getting read to bench press, I threw out my back putting on my fucking shoe. When you can deadlift 2x your bodyweight and throw your back out tying a shoe, the universe is telling you to take up yoga.
― beard papa, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 16:42 (five days ago) Permalink
That was a good post for me to read right now. I've been having persistent mild pain in my lower back and right thigh lately (sort of down the side), and I've had more trouble bending. Deadlift has also taken a huge hit lately -- starts to get uncomfortable after I hit two plates and I've been doing a lot less weight as a result and doing it less frequently. I'm turning 40 this year and I'm not sure whether the combo of my sedentary lifestyle and powerlifting is going to be a good one well into my 40s. But I would really want to find something to replace it with. Maybe yoga ain't a bad idea.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 13 June 2019 14:31 (four days ago) Permalink
yoga and weightlifting are very complimentary imo/ime, im glad were talking about this because it allows me to introduce one of my pet exercise theories, i think powerlifting is great it uses natural physical motions and by putting them under the stress of a lot of weights really gives you a good workout BUT using those same natural motions over and over again only strengthening along those axes introduces imbalances that can lead to injury ie making some aspects of yr body strong while others remain weak, yoga really makes a point of using yr muscles/connective tissues in all sorts of different ways twisting stretching contracting expanding and so forth, yoga is really effective at neutralizing imbalances / activating muscles that you havent been using due to those imbalances
also the experiences of yoga and lifting are very similar, if u like working on lifting form youll prob like working on yoga form
they both have the similar pitfalls of getting too ambitious leading to injury, imo theres no real point in trying to max out how much weight u can lift or getting super flexible in yoga, think its better to regard more as an opportunity to activate yr body and work on alinement/slowly work yr way through physical imbalances
they both have pretty ridiculous prob not totally healthy cultures around them tooooo
― lag∞n, Thursday, 13 June 2019 16:20 (four days ago) Permalink
ive prob said this here before but imo injury prevention shd be the #1 goal of any exercise because if youre injured you cant exercise
― lag∞n, Thursday, 13 June 2019 16:21 (four days ago) Permalink
be especially careful w the neck stuff that often comes towards then end of yoga class, thats where everyone gets bad injuries, lot of those poses straight up maybe just shdnt be practiced even tho theyre often considered the whole point of the practice
― lag∞n, Thursday, 13 June 2019 16:25 (four days ago) Permalink
and then why not do a lil running, just run 3 miles, running form is fun to work on too
― lag∞n, Thursday, 13 June 2019 16:29 (four days ago) Permalink
yeah, ideally I'd really like to both lift and do yoga. Hard to schedule.
Also def getting to the point where I feel like maxing out weight is diminishing returns. If I can lift 155 lbs over my head, what is the value add of getting that up to 165?
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 13 June 2019 16:32 (four days ago) Permalink
if u want to get into yoga best bet is prob just focus on it and drop lifting for a while, try to go to as many classes as u can, once u get some familiarity u dont have to goto a class to practice all the time cld even like do 30mins of yoga before u lift etc, tho its still good to check in w classes from time to time, also u dont need to do a ton of either to still see benefit, just need to be consistent 3 times a week or whatever, especially if youre not concerned w sick gains/becoming a human pretzel
― lag∞n, Thursday, 13 June 2019 16:40 (four days ago) Permalink
i want to start doing yoga again but all the places near me have downright insulting schedules that seem predicated on the notion that no one has a normal job schedule. like, classes at 830, 1100, 3pm and 5pm? fuck you
― gbx, Thursday, 13 June 2019 16:40 (four days ago) Permalink
joining a gym that has yoga classes is convenient
― lag∞n, Thursday, 13 June 2019 16:41 (four days ago) Permalink
+think abt quitting yr job to focus on this stuff, work part time at a health food store
― lag∞n, Thursday, 13 June 2019 16:42 (four days ago) Permalink
this can't be said too often
making progress is always fun and motivating, but the compulsion to continuously progress toward some always-to-be-determined personal best/max is more dangerous than beneficial ... in the absence of other goals or ways to think about the activity, what else is there to stop the process except injury?
― Brad C., Thursday, 13 June 2019 16:42 (four days ago) Permalink
― lag∞n, Thursday, June 13, 2019 9:42 AM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
u might be on to something
― gbx, Thursday, 13 June 2019 16:44 (four days ago) Permalink
personally i regard all exercise as an opportunity to work on form which isnt to say i dont like to go big but thats secondary and i try to work my way there slowly so when i do run 15 miles or w/e its not some epic strain
― lag∞n, Thursday, 13 June 2019 16:46 (four days ago) Permalink
think of the health food job as preventative medicine
― lag∞n, Thursday, 13 June 2019 16:47 (four days ago) Permalink
I've been having persistent mild pain in my lower back and right thigh lately (sort of down the side), and I've had more trouble bending.
Yeah, this sounds like where I was before the latest blow-out. I've been given some muscle relaxers and physical therapy exercises to try once the pain subsides a little. Simple mild stretches of the hamstrings and lumbar areas. Sciatica can be caused by anything that presses on that nerve, I think. One doctor I had a few years ago wanted me to get x-rays to check for spinal spurs, but I never did. The brutal thing about this is that it's painful to walk. This morning while walking to work, I re-aggravated it. I can't be missing work over this stuff.
Glad to read all of the advice and praise concerning Yoga. I've always been impressed by the form of lifters who do the olympic style lifts coupled with yoga. There's a limberness about their bodies that I want. If I have to stop focusing on 1RMs, I need something more than how many curls I can do before my arms fall off to keep me engaged in the gym. I've also considered adopting paused lifts as my main lifts and tracking things like rep maxes for volume and taking shorter breaks between sets. We'll see, though. Right now, I'm pretty sour on the whole thing and may just focus on running, yoga, and bodyweight stuff.
― beard papa, Thursday, 13 June 2019 19:41 (four days ago) Permalink
btw re obsession w form ive been watching sprinter training videos and these guys are so amazing just to watch do their thing
― lag∞n, Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:01 (four days ago) Permalink
i love how the one guy an actual olympic medalist is a total space cadet but then when hes in his zone everything is perfectly coordinated
― lag∞n, Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:03 (four days ago) Permalink
i was successful at rearranging all of the dumbbells tonight. very proud. found that a 30 was missing, probably left upstairs by a disgusting savage.
― forensic plumber (harbl), Sunday, 16 June 2019 01:00 (yesterday) Permalink