Best CHEERS character

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Poll Results

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Cliff Clavin ... (John Ratzenberger) 20
Lilith Sternin ... (Bebe Neuwirth) 15
Norm Peterson ... (George Wendt) 13
Ernie "Coach" Pantusso ... (Nicholas Colasanto) 9
Carla Tortelli ... (Rhea Perlman) 9
"Woody" Boyd ... (Woody Harrelson) 5
Diane Chambers ... (Shelley Long) 5
Frasier Crane ... (Kelsey Grammer) 4
Sam Malone ... (Ted Danson) 3
Rebecca Howe ... (Kirstie Alley) 2
Evan Drake ... (Tom Skerritt) 1
Robin Colcord ... (Roger Rees) 1
Paul Krapence ... (Paul Willson) 1
Al ... (Al Rosen) 1
Harry 'The Hat' Gittes ... (Harry Anderson) 1
Nick Tortelli ... (Dan Hedaya) 1
Kelly Gaines ... (Jackie Swanson) 0
Loretta Tortelli ... (Jean Kasem) 0
Eddie LeBec ... (Jay Thomas) 0
Esther Clavin ... (Frances Sternhagen) 0


WheatusVEVO (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 14:59 (ten years ago) link

Coach vs Carla vs Norm

Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 15:00 (ten years ago) link

Norm always wins these..

Mark G, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 15:00 (ten years ago) link

yeah, i've always been a Norm guy. i do think the show lost a lot of ~heart~ when diane left though

WheatusVEVO (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 15:05 (ten years ago) link

woody or cliff

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 15:05 (ten years ago) link

never watched the coach/diane era tho

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 15:06 (ten years ago) link

is it true or false that Night Court happened because ppl liked Harry Anderson's Cheers appearances so much

Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 15:07 (ten years ago) link

Woodrow Huckleberry Tiberius Boyd

mizzell, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 15:07 (ten years ago) link

Immediately voted for Carla but I think I underrated Cliff.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 15:08 (ten years ago) link

Cliff. or Woody. or Norm. or Lilith. or Carla.

some dude, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 15:09 (ten years ago) link

Woody arrived at Cheers expecting to meet his "pen pal" Coach, with whom he exchanged pens instead of letters.

mizzell, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 15:09 (ten years ago) link

Frasier on "Cheers" was such a great character in ways that now feel distinct from the character on "Frasier"

some dude, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 15:10 (ten years ago) link

glad harry the hat's included

ʘ (sic), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 15:12 (ten years ago) link

embarrassment of riches

ʘ (sic), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 15:12 (ten years ago) link

ive been watching this recently on netflix, from the beginning. i never saw much of the coach/diane years either, so it's been a pleasant surprise to discover what a gifted comedienne shelley long was. it's easy to imagine why a movie career was considered a no-brainer for her after a while, tho i guess she never found a decent vehicle aside from The Money Pit

WheatusVEVO (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 15:13 (ten years ago) link

oh man, ppl who never saw the Coach/Diane years are REALLY missing out

Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 15:14 (ten years ago) link

is it true or false that Night Court happened because ppl liked Harry Anderson's Cheers appearances so much

― Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:07 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

i dont know but it sounds plausible!

WheatusVEVO (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 15:14 (ten years ago) link

Night Court, according to the first season DVD, was created without comedian/magician Harry Anderson in mind, but Anderson auditioned with the claim that he was Harry Stone. Anderson had developed a following with his performances on Saturday Night Live and made several successful appearances as con man "Harry the Hat" on another NBC sitcom, Cheers.

mizzell, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 15:15 (ten years ago) link

I just looked it up; Night Court was already in development but Anderson basically walked into the audition after his Cheers spots and some appearances on SNL and said "fuck you, I'm Harry Stone" and the production team went "well duh, of course"

xp: well that's made me useless

Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 15:16 (ten years ago) link

some random cable channel (Reelz i think?) runs 2 Cheers episodes every afternoon, which i've been watching and enjoying the hell out of now and again lately, although it never fails to irritate me that invariably one episode is Diane/Coach era and one is Rebecca/Woody era (i love both eras, just kinda wanna spend time on one or the other and not switch gears halfway through the hour).

some dude, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 15:21 (ten years ago) link

"Cliff, with his secret!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7qWq5u2yMA&feature=player_embedded

andrew m., Wednesday, 22 August 2012 15:58 (ten years ago) link

Woody vs. Norm vs. Lilith

Shameful Dead Half Choogle (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 16:01 (ten years ago) link

Carla vs. Lillith vs. Nick Tortelli

trishyb, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 16:43 (ten years ago) link

Lilith vs Woody vs Coach

pandemic, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 16:45 (ten years ago) link

Cliff or Lilith.

calumerio, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 16:59 (ten years ago) link

decided to vote based on the reruns Reelz aired today and Woody got the biggest laughs from me. also one of the episodes featured a young Sherilyn Fenn and holy crap.

some dude, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 17:58 (ten years ago) link

Cheers is on Netflix. This fact makes the world slightly better.

your native bacon (mh), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 18:09 (ten years ago) link

Nick Tortelli, because I used to do an impression of him that made a co-worker laugh so hard she peed her pants.

Bobby-fil-A (WmC), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 18:15 (ten years ago) link

the kid who played carla's eldest son did a pretty amusing dan hedaya impression.

WheatusVEVO (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 18:20 (ten years ago) link

I have never seen a single minute of this show.

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 18:22 (ten years ago) link

dan hedaya is pretty amazing

mizzell, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 18:23 (ten years ago) link

The thing is the Norm-Coach-Cliff-Woody characters are p much walking jokes, albeit pretty good ones, deftly played. There's more of a burden on the leads. (Rhea Perlman actually gave 3D heft to her insults, I thought)

I stopped watching when Long left so I guess that signals my choice.

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 18:25 (ten years ago) link

My first vote would probably be for Frasier and Lilith in tandem; Woody, Cliff, Diane and Rebecca (thought they were both great in different ways), and Coach after that. Paul would say something now and again that killed me. Can't vote for two, so I guess Cliff.

Norm was funny most of the time, repetitive occasionally. Almost always found Carla a drag.

clemenza, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 18:32 (ten years ago) link

Guess I'ma be the only Rebecca vote here.

Eric H., Wednesday, 22 August 2012 18:35 (ten years ago) link

appreciation of Rebecca clouded by Kirstie Alley becoming a walking joke in real life

Shameful Dead Half Choogle (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 18:37 (ten years ago) link

Dave Richards . . . (Fred Dryer)

mookieproof, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 18:41 (ten years ago) link

Worlds colliding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxlIYukmlVw

clemenza, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 18:41 (ten years ago) link

People, people. No mentions of Sam "Mayday" Malone. Seriously? Danson just kills on this show.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 18:43 (ten years ago) link

The thing is the Norm-Coach-Cliff-Woody characters are p much walking jokes, albeit pretty good ones, deftly played. There's more of a burden on the leads. (Rhea Perlman actually gave 3D heft to her insults, I thought)

I stopped watching when Long left so I guess that signals my choice.

― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, August 22, 2012 2:25 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark

i pretty much agree, which is why I'm leaning towards Diane. the sam/diane stuff could be a little forced at times, but when they got it right you couldnt tear your eyes off it.

WheatusVEVO (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 18:44 (ten years ago) link

Dave Richards . . . (Fred Dryer)

― mookieproof, Wednesday, August 22, 2012 2:41 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

i thought about throwing him in there but iirc he was only in like 4 episodes and i didnt think there would be any hunter stans repping

WheatusVEVO (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 18:46 (ten years ago) link

I'm still trying to figure out what the "joke" was with Norm. Other than being a cool, nice, approachable dude who didn't want to go home to his wife.

Eric H., Wednesday, 22 August 2012 18:47 (ten years ago) link

'there's winners and losers in this world . . . here's hoping you're one of them'

mookieproof, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 18:47 (ten years ago) link

Did Cliff ever really zing Norm? They really only work as a duo, each character alone has some pull but together they're the funniest part of the show.

your native bacon (mh), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 18:48 (ten years ago) link

COACH: What's your most troublesome problem?
NORM: Ah, that's tough to say, Coach. Let's see. I'm overweight, unemployed, separated, depressed, starting to drink too much. Guess my biggest problem is I've never been happier.

WheatusVEVO (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 18:52 (ten years ago) link

the joke is "fat man/little jacket"

Shameful Dead Half Choogle (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 18:52 (ten years ago) link

lol

Eric H., Wednesday, 22 August 2012 18:53 (ten years ago) link

my fav normism is when sam asks him what he'll have and norm goes "a reason to live - keep em comin." the audience didnt even laugh, i think they were just unsettled by it

WheatusVEVO (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 18:54 (ten years ago) link

TBH, I probably would've voted Frasier, but the spinoff killed that joke pretty fast for me.

Eric H., Wednesday, 22 August 2012 18:54 (ten years ago) link

but frasier on his own show was a different character!

WheatusVEVO (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 18:57 (ten years ago) link

The one where Gary dies! (I can't tell if that's my favourite or if they went too far)

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Saturday, 8 August 2020 07:16 (two years ago) link

Last season definitely feels like it's preparing for Frasier - he's treated more prominently as a character and perhaps more seriously than the previous pompous bar buffoon.

Amazing Woody line right at the end as well.

We were discussing last night how Norm is maybe the only character in this with any self-awareness and he's maybe the most painfully self aware character in television.

Probably just going to start on Frasier now - I like a good baudy farce. I love the Bar Wars episode as well, when you see Harry The Hat turn up at the start you just know that only one can survive.

Matt DC, Saturday, 8 August 2020 10:03 (two years ago) link

still cross abt where cliffie's mom ended up in the poll

mark s, Saturday, 8 August 2020 12:23 (two years ago) link

Last season definitely feels like it's preparing for Frasier

Only in retrospect, though. Kelsey was actually prepping some show where he'd be a bedridden CEO and it would revolve around him and his "Daphne"-type person trying to run his empire from home. It never got off the ground, so then they pitched giving Frasier a spinoff and that was greenlit.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 8 August 2020 14:42 (two years ago) link

I rewatched Frasier recently and he was far more insufferable than I'd remembered for a good portion of the series. Niles as well. Also I'd forgotten that the Niles and Daphne getting together thing happened in about the midpoint as opposed to towards the end.

Also I never knew until recently that Lisa Kudrow was originally cast in the Roz role, but the chemistry was wrong when filming the pilot so they sacked her and hired Peri Gilpin. Trying to imagine Kudrow as Roz and I can't wrap my brain around it.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 8 August 2020 14:57 (two years ago) link

frasier is just hannibal but not funny

mark s, Saturday, 8 August 2020 15:04 (two years ago) link

If they weren't preparing for Frasier in that season then I read the Lilith arc all wrong as well. Was Bebe Neuwirth unavailable for much of that season or did they just decide it didn't make sense to have Lilith sitting in the bar all the time? (Obviously this is madness because Lilith roxx).

Matt DC, Saturday, 8 August 2020 16:45 (two years ago) link

Also being sacked from Frasier worked out just fine for Lisa Kudrow (who also appears in Cheers btw). Everyone benefits in this story.

Matt DC, Saturday, 8 August 2020 16:46 (two years ago) link

Was Bebe Neuwirth unavailable for much of that season or did they just decide it didn't make sense to have Lilith sitting in the bar all the time?

I figured it might have been because she was doing something on Broadway, but the closest thing I could find was her in Damn Yankees which didn't premiere until nearly a year after Cheers was done. She had some bit parts in films around that time, so maybe that was part of it.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 8 August 2020 23:45 (two years ago) link

To add to the list of things I wish I hadn't found out - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ratzenberger#Political_views

Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 9 August 2020 11:24 (two years ago) link

Cliffie's a fash, what's up with that?

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Sunday, 9 August 2020 15:42 (two years ago) link

He was cast in Jim Jefferies' single-cam sitcom Legit as a bloviating conservative elder dad for verisimilitude. "He spouts his Republican bullshit all day, but there's no-one better to go out with. The cunt hasn't had to pay for a drink in 30 years!"

Jefferies' famous gun-control routine was motivated by several days' conversation after Ratzenberger strolled up to him on set the day of the Sandy Hook shooting and said "Eh Jim, y'know if only the teachers had guns, we wouldn’t have these problems."

Steppin' RZA (sic), Sunday, 9 August 2020 20:57 (two years ago) link

ha!

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Sunday, 9 August 2020 21:59 (two years ago) link

John Ratzenberger... welcome to the resistance.

healthy butts on perfect cocaine (sic), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 07:42 (two years ago) link

I guess it's not ironic that he's starting to look like the author of "Post Office".

pplains, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 12:23 (two years ago) link

MIscha the dog lies dead in the bog
The children cry over the carcass
The mist chokes my heart, covers the mourners
Al least this year we eat

A White, White Gay (cryptosicko), Sunday, 30 August 2020 15:28 (two years ago) link

The place where I had dinner tonight had a TV way across the room playing the Rebecca-burns-down-the-bar episode (or the second of two episodes, can't remember). The sound was off, the captions were on; from where I was, I could only read some of them, and just barely at that.

Even with all that, when it got to the moment where Rebecca comes back to the bar after owning up to what she did, where she coldly hands in her resignation and tells Sam he said some unforgivable things, when Sam says "Do you want your job back" and she starts blubbering "Yes, yes," that's one of the few TV moments ever that always makes me tear up. The instantaneous change in Rebecca absolutely rises to the level of art.

clemenza, Thursday, 10 September 2020 00:30 (two years ago) link

three weeks pass...

lads, lads. the gif motherlode: https://twitter.com/smdcgifs

comorbidities in the BK lounge (stevie), Monday, 5 October 2020 11:39 (one year ago) link

I think of this scene every time I drink whisky

amazing how bebe invented comedy with this scene pic.twitter.com/vegGcZXCuS

— silver shoes with rhinestone buckles✨ (@sapphicsternin) September 16, 2020

comorbidities in the BK lounge (stevie), Monday, 5 October 2020 12:14 (one year ago) link

That one season where Lilith just hangs around the bar for no reason is exceptional.

Matt DC, Monday, 5 October 2020 13:31 (one year ago) link

lads, lads. the gif motherlode: https://twitter.com/smdcgifs

she was really good, wasn't she

mookieproof, Monday, 5 October 2020 16:14 (one year ago) link

I honestly think she and Kirstie were superlative comedic actors - but Shelley has this streak of unhingedness that sets her a pace ahead.

comorbidities in the BK lounge (stevie), Monday, 5 October 2020 16:41 (one year ago) link

this jumped out at me rewatching the finale today

Always preferred Shelly Long pic.twitter.com/iWydWLq5LL

— Stevie Chick (@stevie_chick) October 18, 2020

Walter Draggedman (stevie), Sunday, 18 October 2020 22:06 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

Only £5 a season on Amazon now (but still not on Netflix UK) so I caved and will try to rewatch it all over the next year or so.

Just a few episodes into S1 I noticed the sound was really off dub by around half a second. Couldn't really tell if it was a streaming issue (late night on an otherwise unused fibre line) or a fault with the source.

nashwan, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 16:07 (one year ago) link

streaming issue.

on the other hand (hi, i have the entire region 2 box set and am slowly catching up with Matt DC) season 1 and part of season 2 have some incredibly shonky camerawork that includes some straight-up out-of-focus shots - seemingly always at the tenderest moment of the episode!

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 16:28 (one year ago) link

streaming issue

Right where's that thread on all the ways technology is worse now than when this show first started

nashwan, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 16:35 (one year ago) link

I'm still mad this left Netflix before I could finish my re-watch. Love that I will soon be paying more than I ever did for cable to keep up with the rotating streaming services necessary to follow shows.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 17:30 (one year ago) link

Have also been rewatching the chunky red Cheers Region 2 complete box set during lockdown. Currently on the last disc of season nine.

There are a number of episodes where the picture quality markedly drops for a few seconds - as if the original footage had gone missing, and a poor duplicate was all that was available. The early episodes in particular also frequently employ a semi-documentary, semi-Altmanesque documentary approach that, seemingly deliberately, sometimes looks a bit inept or ill-made. I think it does help to make the bar seem like a 'real' place, with other stories going on at the edges, in the corners, that we'll never get to know. If you ever do zone out and concentrate on the background players for a moment or two, they're always totally 'in character' without ever being foreground intrusive.

Weirdly, starting around series six, some of the episodes truncate the opening credits/song. And then in season nine, they suddenly get an exterior shot of the bar they've never had before, so lots of the opening gags take place in the street outside Cheers.

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 17:36 (one year ago) link

Weirdly, starting around series six, some of the episodes truncate the opening credits/song.

episode length probably shrank due to ad breaks increasing; shorter credits mean more laffs

Change Display Name: (stevie), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 19:56 (one year ago) link

lots of the opening gags take place in the street outside Cheers.

iirc they went to Boston for some "keys to the city" type PR event, and wrote months worth of opening gags to shoot in one day while there?

huge rant (sic), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 20:14 (one year ago) link

I'm only halfway through season 1 but the seasons on Amazon Prime are already back up to £20 each again >:[ (a bit cheaper on Play store)

One of the things I am enjoying most is Diane's "..Norman.." after everyone else's

Less enjoyable - the visible sparkling sweat beads on several characters foreheads especially Sam's under the ruthless set lights, presumably an effect of the upscaling.

nashwan, Thursday, 10 December 2020 16:47 (one year ago) link

everyone else's "NORM" that should be of course

nashwan, Thursday, 10 December 2020 16:48 (one year ago) link

The really SHOUT it in the first couple of seasons I noticed!

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 10 December 2020 16:49 (one year ago) link

Love the British acTOR type who fools Carla into thinking he's a spy and then Dian into thinking he's a poet...and then how tolerant everyone is of his genteel emotional grift. I don't suppose he returns later as a double-act with Harry The Hat..

nashwan, Thursday, 10 December 2020 17:56 (one year ago) link

nine months pass...

every character in this is so great, its so hard to choose. rebecca was a little off-message her first season or two, but the whole robin colcord subplot is gravy - the episode with her getting drunk the night before the wedding and trying to seduce sam is all time.

Just caught the end of the episode where Robin Colcord makes his first appearance, preceding this Rebecca has decided to settle for Sam because "Robin Colcord or Donald Trump are not knocking on my door".

Are You Still in Love With Me, Klas-Göran? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 September 2021 06:54 (one year ago) link

ten months pass...

You won't tell my mother will you?
Mom's the word
You won't tell my mom will you?

Ste, Wednesday, 17 August 2022 20:56 (one month ago) link

that's gold, what episode is it from

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Wednesday, 17 August 2022 21:13 (one month ago) link

i assume that’s woody in the first and last lines

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 17 August 2022 21:22 (one month ago) link

surely

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Wednesday, 17 August 2022 21:25 (one month ago) link

Yeah that's Woody, and talking to Diane.
It's season 5 episode 10 where Woodys girlfriend turns up with another bloke and Woody goes on a fake date with Sams cleaning lady

Ste, Thursday, 18 August 2022 06:22 (one month ago) link

tbf she had "five stars the best" in Sam's little black book

politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Thursday, 18 August 2022 10:32 (one month ago) link

Cliff: Check out this headline "SUICIDAL TWIN KILLS BROTHER BY MISTAKE"

Ste, Wednesday, 24 August 2022 14:55 (one month ago) link

Pretty sure I missed this poll, but I’d have voted for Shelley Long.

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 24 August 2022 15:01 (one month ago) link

Definitely should have been more love for Diane. Certainly above Carla

Ste, Wednesday, 24 August 2022 15:21 (one month ago) link

four weeks pass...

Classic cold open where Frasier attempts to discuss Ingmar Bergman with the gang at Cheers. pic.twitter.com/ufUQ72nYcf

— Adam Rackoff (@AdamRackoff) September 20, 2022

mookieproof, Wednesday, 21 September 2022 00:01 (one week ago) link

example of the good frasier material

mh, Wednesday, 21 September 2022 00:34 (one week ago) link

"To the layman"--someone should have decked him!

clemenza, Wednesday, 21 September 2022 01:24 (one week ago) link

they’re used to it by that point - it’ll take more than that - “to the layman” merely the foothills of frasier’s mountainous condescension

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 21 September 2022 07:50 (one week ago) link

example of the good frasier material

The turn to Abbot & Costello/Martin & Lewis at the end is the mark of genius.

I think one of my favourite Cheers runs is the episode where Frasier is reading Dickens, and starts to read some to the bar, but when they get restless he adulterates it with some horror/action movie schtik to keep them interested. By the end, he's reading lines like, "It's a far, far better butt-kicking I give today..."

politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Wednesday, 21 September 2022 08:22 (one week ago) link


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