outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

lol at "Grateful Shred." Do you think they have a rehearsal space called the Shred Shed?

Honestly seeing the Stern Grove shots yesterday from a bunch of people at the Avengers/X show made me think 'ya know...'

Apparently the vaccine does not prevent transmission.

ugh, i wish people wouldn't misspeak like this. no, it doesn't 100% prevent transmission, but plenty of studies, even recent, have showed it reduces viral load and does reduce transmission even if it doesn't outright prevent it.

i'm wagering most of the 'spread' came from unvaxxed people in the audience though

lol Josh, it's a bunch of L.A. indie rock dudes getting together to play the Dead (members of Growlers, Dawes, etc)

Yeah, I wish that particular line wasn't in the statement, but I was very happy to see that they were still pushing people to get vaxxed. I was a little nervous where the rest of it was going to head when I first read it.

Apparently the vaccine does not prevent transmission.

this is patently not true. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html#:~:text=illness%20and%20death.-,COVID%2D19%20vaccines%20reduce%20the%20risk%20of%20people%20spreading%20the,you%20did%20before%20the%20pandemic.

why is the guy implying person 0 (or people 0's were vaxxed)?

what Neanderthal said

i don't know why my post formatted that way

It's a bad statement, for sure. Although I guess I can sense some frustration from the band having this come out of their first shows back in a year and a half. I can understand them being disappointed and frustrated.

I do overhear those discussions in the real world. A lot of people still wonder if a fully vaccinated person with asymptomatic COVID can infect other fully vaccinated people.

Good read (on that and other things)

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/07/anatomy-of-a-vaccine-breakthrough/619562/

“Other things” = overburdened castle metaphors 😄

Hark, Sir DJI, and hold thy halberd.

i don't know why my post formatted that way

because you didn't read it before clicking "submit post"

Got to read posts less, outdoor_miner

helpful!

im beginning to think that the lead singer of the grateful shred might not be an expert at public health communication

the good news is that's clear from the UK that the "dynamics" of this wave, i.e. its duration, are not worse and perhaps slightly better than previous waves. 6-8 weeks to reach the peak of case count, and about 4 months, end to end.

so for the parts of the US that are most similar to the UK, i.e. parts where vaccination rate is around the US average or better and/or huge winter waves giving some "natural" immunity, we should see the same thing. so for example, i'm expecting the wave in LA county to peak in about 3-4 weeks.

new cases for UK reported today: 24,950

xp ah, me otm (although i forgot schools reopen here right when i predict things will be peaking)

The CDC's ensemble of models also is calling for a US peak/plateau in ~3 weeks, so... fingers crossed https://t.co/UWzHdbMZWs

— Ed MD (@notdred) July 26, 2021

(colleges without vaccine mandates are a bigger problem than schools of course)

At the same time she's threatening possible restrictions if cases rise above 200 per day, Mayor Lori Lightfoot is moving forward with plans to bring 100,000 a day to Grant Park for Lollapalooza. https://t.co/AmNnPeU2YI

— Gregory Pratt (@royalpratt) July 26, 2021

Starting to get the feeling that Lightfoot is setting it up so she can blame Lolla when cases rise and she brings back mitigation.

the states of california is one of the top 20 employers in the country, so this and big state schools is a start:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/california-to-require-proof-of-vaccination-for-state-workers/ar-AAMA0Q3

tough break for the NYPD though

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/new-york-elections-government/ny-nyc-covid-de-blasio-vaccinations-all-municipal-workers-20210726-lbkwacchcvhlbbi4yu3qvfcjnq-story.html

does anyone know if amazon, target, mcdonalds, etc. are doing the same thing? does the federal government have a policy yet?

My daughter's college, in the Southeast US is not mandating vaccination, citing peer institutions, which we found disappointing.

Subsequently they announced further details and are requiring vaccines for all "high risk activities," which includes working in food service, activities that require very close contact with others for an extended period of time, athletics, singing and playing music, athletics, etc. All non-vaccinated students will be required to wear masks, engage in social distancing, weekly testing (which they are required to pay for), and 2 week quarantine if exposed to anyone who tests positive.

Seems they are pushing as close to a vaccination mandate as they can without having a declared mandate.

it's hard to read this thread now

it's all so absurd

does the federal government have a policy yet?

answering my own question: not a blanket policy (not yet?)

VA issues employee vaccine mandate for healthcare workers, first for a federal agency, NYT reports https://t.co/dbVVqOP9m4

— Meg Tirrell (@megtirrell) July 26, 2021

In the 15 minutes since my post above they've sent an email updating their vaccination policy (citing Delta). Vaccinations will be mandatory "once a vaccine fully approved by the FDA becomes available."

I have been skeptical that people actually care about the distinction between EUA and "approval" but maybe I was just wrong about this

i don't think anyone who is unvaccinated by choice cares about FDA approval in good faith, but people have made legal arguments related to it in court (where they have failed afaict). full FDA approval would at least cut those arguments off at the knees and avoid wasted time in court.

it's mostly concern trolling

but yes, FDA needs to just fuckin' do it. it would help

Agreed. A new wrinkle my wife saw on a Trumper relatives' FB feed essentially boiled down to: "it hasn't been fully approved because the FDA knows it's dangerous but hasn't figured out how to tell all the sheeple that they fucked up".

btw Sturgis 2021 kicks off in two weeks!

Yup. My uncle and aunt (both unvaccinated) are heading up again this year. They managed to not catch anything last year (or, if they did, managed to get by without letting on to anyone), so I'm sure they are even less concerned this time.

Just so everyone is clear, employers and governments absolutely have the power to mandate vaccines. It's not some close legal issue and the EUA and FDA final approval does not change that.

This is just a matter of small "p" political will to be willing to take the blowback from those who would be angered by a mandate.

As caek alluded to, those truly opposed to vaccination will just move the goal posts once the final FDA approval is granted.

because I'm willin' to be willin'

PBKR, I need you and Ron DeSantis to have a couple beers together.

And put rat poison in Ron's

Lol, I was about to say the exact same thing as Neanderthal before I saw his comment.

helpful!

:)

Nice

COVID vaccines are not perfect. But they are darn good, and keep you alive. Even with delta, alpha, gamma, kappa, lambda, etc.

I'm following Malta (90% vaccinated) and the UK. Look how deaths have stayed low. Couple more weeks to be sure. #GetVaccinated pic.twitter.com/xTZQkf8ylh

— Vincent Rajkumar (@VincentRK) July 30, 2021

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1C6rFWfYMg

My nonexistent sympathy level

https://apnews.com/article/health-coronavirus-pandemic-michael-brown-038c02dbc512e00b9e08aef98061b13d

Two quotes from different paragraphs of the apnews article:

“I was strongly against getting the vaccine,” Barker said through labored breathing. “Just because we’re a strong conservative family.”

Patients have said they worried about vaccine side effects, or felt the vaccines were rushed out took quickly.

I suspect the first quote represents the reality of vaccine denialism and the second quote reflects the rationalizations people give for what they subconsciously understand is irrational thinking.

A similar story.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/30/us/covid-vaccine-hesitancy-regret.html

And here: https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2021/07/28/phil-valentine-coronavirus-vaccine

Nashville radio talk show host Phil Valentine remains hospitalized in critical condition with COVID-19 more than two weeks after being admitted for the disease.

Valentine — who broadcasts on SuperTalk 99.7 WTN — was known for his COVID-19 vaccine skepticism.

... Now Phil Valentine wants people to know that he was wrong — and that he should have taken the vaccine. He wants others to reconsider their thoughts on vaccines.

The mood here in Knoxville has shifted dramatically in like just the past 4-5 days. Lots of medical offices have gone back to mandatory masks for everyone, regardless of vaxx status, and people are starting to cancel events again. Which sucks and is totally infuriating because if the unvaccinated half of the population would stop being idiots we'd be in way better shape.

if the unvaccinated half of the population would stop being idiots we'd be in way better shape

I have a nagging suspicion that we will be repeating this over and over throughout the remainder of 2021 (and into 2022???).

This is the end of the thread. I suggest reading the whole thing.

Hearing ends. When court staff arrive at Goodwyn’s home in coming days, if he’s not wearing mask, he’ll be arrested and jailed, per judge. And goodwyn indicated he won’t be wearing one. A Jan 6 defendant who is an anti-masker is facing prospect of jail pretrial

— Scott MacFarlane (@MacFarlaneNews) July 30, 2021

Here on Sanibel in deep red Lee County things have changed. The main office and marina ar our cottages put up mandatory mask signs on their doors. The general store too. I've seen more masked employees and customers around the island yesterday and today than Sunday and Monday.

(For context: Sanibel had mandatory mask ordinances until the CDC announcement in May).

nice

Walmart, the nation's biggest private employer, is requiring its headquarters and regional staff to be vaccinated by Oct. 4, in a move that might set the standard for corporate America to follow. https://t.co/r1WPETMmlr via @business

— Matthew Boyle (@bizboyle) July 30, 2021