outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

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every time this stuff gets in the news i have an anxiety attack just reading about it

do you think we're all going to die of a plague, soon?

the late great, Thursday, 2 August 2012 22:19 (eleven years ago) link

I watched Contagion 2x in a row on a recent intercontinental flight and within 24 hours of landing I was sicker than I can ever remember being.


queequeg (peter grasswich), Thursday, 2 August 2012 22:28 (eleven years ago) link

that was a scary one because you know that's exactly how it's going to go down, too

the late great, Thursday, 2 August 2012 22:32 (eleven years ago) link

my dad is of the opinion that we're all gonna drop dead from mad cow disease eventually from a lifetime of pink slime exposure

the late great, Thursday, 2 August 2012 22:33 (eleven years ago) link

Ebola in Uganda, new flu killing East Coast seals...

sive gallus et mulier (Michael White), Thursday, 2 August 2012 22:34 (eleven years ago) link

Who the HECK would choose Contagion for in-flight programming???


queequeg (peter grasswich), Friday, 3 August 2012 01:35 (eleven years ago) link

There is still this other side of me that wishes I'd embarked on one of my many fig tree dream careers of epidemiologist. I really get a kick form this kind of thing. Someday we will all be dead.

Crabbits, Friday, 3 August 2012 03:42 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

So how worried should we be now, anyway.


Ned Raggett, Sunday, 27 July 2014 02:15 (nine years ago) link

Fanning flames, paranoia: http://www.sfgate.com/news/medical/article/New-fears-about-Ebola-spread-after-plane-scare-5651721.php

DAKAR, Senegal (AP) β€” No one knows for sure just how many people Patrick Sawyer came into contact with the day he boarded a flight in Liberia, had a stopover in Ghana, changed planes in Togo, and then arrived in Nigeria, where authorities say he died days later from Ebola, one of the deadliest diseases known to man.

Now health workers are scrambling to trace those who may have been exposed to Sawyer across West Africa, including flight attendants and fellow passengers.

Health experts say it is unlikely he could have infected others with the virus that can cause victims to bleed from the eyes, mouth and ears. Still, unsettling questions remain: How could a man whose sister recently died from Ebola manage to board a plane leaving the country? And worse: Could Ebola become the latest disease to be spread by international air travel?

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 28 July 2014 23:50 (nine years ago) link


Sierra Leone's top virologist has died in the current outbreak.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Tuesday, 29 July 2014 20:42 (nine years ago) link

This is terrible, reports of hospitals shutting their doors, infected rotting corpses in the streets and ebola nurses downing tools after not getting paid measly $30 a week risk money pledged by the Sierra Leone gvt. Conditions described as "medieval" in parts where the health system has totally collapsed.

xelab, Monday, 4 August 2014 22:51 (nine years ago) link

i heard a woman talking on the radio about it the other day and she was not holding back about how grim it was -- she was a reporter but i don't remember her name
she used the same analogy, like it was medieval in terms of what people believe about medicine as well as the degree to which people receive/shun medical care when they need it

cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Monday, 4 August 2014 22:54 (nine years ago) link

Little did we know all the right wing survivalists had the right idea for the wrong reason. It's not Obama they should fear, but ebola.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 4 August 2014 23:01 (nine years ago) link

I read an article about the stress of being an ebola nurse. Encased in completely enveloping PPE in a hot climate for 12 + hour shifts. Dealing with infectious, dying patients that constantly fall out of beds, spray blood and diarrhea all over the place. The people that deal with these patients ... I just have no idea where they get their courage from.

xelab, Monday, 4 August 2014 23:06 (nine years ago) link


the one where, as balls alludes (Eazy), Sunday, 17 August 2014 17:02 (nine years ago) link

Plague Inc is my favorite game

Bringing the mosh (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 17 August 2014 17:04 (nine years ago) link

dr. brantly speaking now, was just discharged from emory

k3vin k., Thursday, 21 August 2014 15:18 (nine years ago) link


Shit got real. school with this guys sister

genderification: gone too far? (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 August 2014 23:23 (nine years ago) link

Pharmeceutical industry person tries to defend the industry re charges they have not done enough re ebola because it is in poor countries


curmudgeon, Friday, 22 August 2014 14:29 (nine years ago) link

the incentives for the pharmaceutical industry are what they are, unfortunately


k3vin k., Saturday, 23 August 2014 04:28 (nine years ago) link

Irish guy didn't have Ebola. Was a false alarm.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Saturday, 23 August 2014 07:07 (nine years ago) link

South Africa and Senegal trying to bar some folks from countries at issue from entry

curmudgeon, Saturday, 23 August 2014 14:44 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

First US case in Dallas. Take that NYC & LA! We're number one!

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 20:55 (nine years ago) link


Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 22:25 (nine years ago) link

I wonder how many crisis of this kind will happen before countries take the WHO seriously and decide to invest in a proper international health structure to prevent this kind of outbreak. Freaking hate to see institutions like the FMI giving up to 130 millions $ but then pressure politicians in the region to go for austerity, it's a waste of money for everyone.

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 22:37 (nine years ago) link

ebola USED to be at the top of my list of irrational fears. presbyterian hospital is about 5 miles north of where i'm sitting right now.


i'd rather be arrested by you folks than by anybody i know (art), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 01:07 (nine years ago) link


i'd rather be arrested by you folks than by anybody i know (art), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 01:15 (nine years ago) link

The Frontline piece on this a week or so ago was eye-opening. Hospitals that are barely more than cordoned off fields, mass graves, disinfecting the back of trucks (where patients ride, near death) by tossing in buckets of bleach, doctors and other aid workers more or less forced to visit villages free of any special suits for fear of scaring the shit out of everyone, children orphaned and alone overnight. Just heartbreaking. It's both a matter of doctors struggling to keep up with a rapidly and easily spreading illness and a population almost impossible to isolate. Bodies being dumped and left by the side of the road, families taking members out of quarantine, superstitious treatments co-mingling with modern medicine ...

Here: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/ebola-outbreak/

The saddest bit may be at the end, where grave diggers, one by one, list all their families members who have succumbed.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 01:23 (nine years ago) link

I'm just a few miles further away, art. Drive by it almost every day as I head up to Richardson.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 01:48 (nine years ago) link

Your risk of dying from ebola (total confirmed 2014 ebola deaths: a few thousand worldwide) is still lower than your risk of dying due to complications related to seasonal influenza (on average, 5800-7500 a year in the US). Get a flu shot. Don't get too preoccupied by ebola.

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 01:59 (nine years ago) link

wanna c&p that on every damn facebook post I see for the next week

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 02:05 (nine years ago) link

be my guest

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 02:05 (nine years ago) link

i have total confidence in the medical system to properly handle any other arising cases. that said, i am still illogically terrified

i'd rather be arrested by you folks than by anybody i know (art), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 02:27 (nine years ago) link

Sick Burn I saw on FB:

Don't worry about Ebola spreading in Dallas. The Cowboys have shown us that people in Dallas can't catch anything.

You and Dad's Army? (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 03:21 (nine years ago) link

Ebola spreads by physical contact with bodily secretions and fluids. That makes it easier to contain in a place like the USA or Europe, where there are lots of medical facilities and a patient's recent contacts can be quickly discovered and tracked down.

Even so, if ebola strongly establishes itself in Africa, with a reservoir of infected people who keep the virus continuously viable and circulating, then not only will massive numbers of africans die, but ebola will keep leaping to other parts of the world, including the USA and Europe. It can be compared to sparks thrown out from a wildfire, which land on tinder and start other fires away from the main fire. You can put out many of these small satellite fires, but it is hard to extinguish all of them, and the more new places that start burning the harder the firestorm is to keep contained.

Aimless, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 03:43 (nine years ago) link

That's a good analogy. I really wish international focus between the Ebola outbreak and ISIL was better divided.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 03:56 (nine years ago) link

run for the hills imo

the late great, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 04:05 (nine years ago) link

*not the hills of West Africa, tho*

Sara R-C, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 05:57 (nine years ago) link


polyphonic, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 22:17 (nine years ago) link

ugh goddamned parody accounts :(

polyphonic, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 22:19 (nine years ago) link


this is a very difficult article to read

apparently the problem is not money but organization and time

I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 23:27 (nine years ago) link

Oh jeez:


at what point is it ok for me to start panicking?

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:39 (nine years ago) link

supposed to go to the state fair this weekend and have resolved not to touch any surfaces and to bathe myself in hand sanitizer after it is all over.

i'd rather be arrested by you folks than by anybody i know (art), Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:43 (nine years ago) link

the panic is hilarious. Especially from folks who drive on the streets of Dallas. You should be much more afraid of north Texas drivers than ebola.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 2 October 2014 15:04 (nine years ago) link

until there is an effective vaccine I consider ebola as a threat, but in the USA it is a long term threat, which gives the researchers plenty of time to develop that vaccine.

Aimless, Thursday, 2 October 2014 16:18 (nine years ago) link

truly despicable imo for rand paul, a physician, to be saying things like this to score political points


k3vin k., Thursday, 2 October 2014 17:56 (nine years ago) link


this is a very difficult article to read

apparently the problem is not money but organization and time

― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, October 1, 2014 7:27 PM (Yesterday

disorganization and lack of preparedness (not to mention distrust of medical authorities, belief in traditional healing, etc) are consequences of poverty, though. this was from a few weeks ago but i think it's a good primer


First, Guinea, Sierra Leone, and Liberia are resource-poor countries already coping with major health challenges, such as malaria and other endemic diseases, some of which may be confused with EVD. Next, their borders are porous, and movement between countries is constant. Health care infrastructure is inadequate, and health workers and essential supplies including personal protective equipment are scarce. Traditional practices, such as bathing of corpses before burial, have facilitated transmission. The epidemic has spread to cities, which complicates tracing of contacts. Finally, decades of conflict have left the populations distrustful of governing officials and authority figures such as health professionals. Add to these problems a rapidly spreading virus with a high mortality rate, and the scope of the challenge becomes clear

k3vin k., Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:08 (nine years ago) link

Not enough of the right people.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 January 2024 18:28 (three months ago) link


Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Friday, 12 January 2024 18:28 (three months ago) link

I got the new vax as soon as it was available this past fall and I got Covid anyway. (Sad trombone).

B. Amato (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 12 January 2024 19:13 (three months ago) link

wastewater drops for second straight week, though most largely noticeable in the Northeast.

next week will show if it's a post-holiday correction due to people gathering and traveling less, but the epis I read seem to think peak could have been reached, with high transmission for another month but steadily declining.

Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 18:06 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

These people are nuts https://t.co/dXOR74tIDy

— Roy Edroso (@edroso) February 22, 2024

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 February 2024 16:19 (two months ago) link

our Surgeon General is a complete sellout quack

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Thursday, 22 February 2024 16:19 (two months ago) link

That sounds like a YOUsles problem and not a MEasles problem.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 February 2024 16:36 (two months ago) link


poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 February 2024 16:38 (two months ago) link

lol did you just post measles?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 February 2024 16:43 (two months ago) link

last time I was in FL I only caught Heffalumps and Woozles

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 22 February 2024 16:45 (two months ago) link

extremely fucked up.

my 6 year old asked me what is the most dangerous virus and we had an age appropriate conversation about how "danger" is a combination of how prevalent it is, how contagious it is, and how sick it makes people who get it, and then I told him about a bunch of viruses and he concluded that measles is in fact the most dangerous virus, which, he's not wrong!

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Thursday, 22 February 2024 16:46 (two months ago) link

Yeah, in that letter from the FL doctor it says that something like 90% of those unvaccinated get it when exposed. That's crazy. Even crazier if you still send your kid into that maelstrom.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 February 2024 16:53 (two months ago) link

So I'm guessing these monster parents faked their kids' proofs of vaccination? In Florida the MMR vaccine is required in every public school.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 February 2024 16:54 (two months ago) link

Iirc all 50 states have proof of vax requirements.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 February 2024 16:57 (two months ago) link

yeah I think it's just not enforced in many states at this point. fwiw it is extremely enforced in NYS. our kid had to stay home for a day while they figured out a clerical error that caused his record to say he wasn't vaccinated.

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Thursday, 22 February 2024 16:59 (two months ago) link

There's a "hippy" county north of us that is known for being vaccine-skeptical which has had multiple measles outbreaks over the past decade, I seem to recall one such outbreak contributed to the death of a child in leukemia-remission due to his immuno-compromised state (could be remembering this wrong though).

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 22 February 2024 17:48 (two months ago) link

i was shocked to discover a friend of mine i've known for over a decade is completely anti-vax (kids aren't covid vaxxed for example), which somehow jibes with his entire family always being sick with something or other. i shouldn't assume everyone in California of all (hippie new age crystal healing) places is toeing the scientific facts line as much as i am, but it was still surprising.

omar little, Thursday, 22 February 2024 17:54 (two months ago) link

In the UK we had an email round from school about increased measles. Not necessarily in our area but wtf people

kinder, Friday, 23 February 2024 10:09 (two months ago) link

My partner works in a quite tony London private school, apparently it is riddled with California-adjacent antivax types

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 23 February 2024 12:40 (two months ago) link

CDC officially drops five-day covid isolation guidelines

Americans who test positive for the coronavirus no longer need to routinely stay home from work and school for five days under new guidance released Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Kim Kimberly, Friday, 1 March 2024 18:49 (one month ago) link

Not like many of the sick were anyway.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 March 2024 18:50 (one month ago) link

I'm getting a second shot of the latest one in a couple weeks. No reason other than that I did the same last March and the year before.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 March 2024 18:52 (one month ago) link

they're already suggesting that for elder folk so I'm probably gonna do it too since I live w/ my mother still. she can't get another shot right away since she just beat the 'VID

(somehow I never got it)

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Friday, 1 March 2024 19:11 (one month ago) link

How long should one wait to get re-upped if they already got the latest vax?

Chyiv Kyiv (Fetchboy), Friday, 1 March 2024 19:15 (one month ago) link

I got mine in September the first week they became available, so it's been six months.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 March 2024 19:15 (one month ago) link

My general understanding from what I've gleaned over the 4 years (!!) of confronting this virus is you've got a much better chance of beating it when you have lots of antibodies already active from a recent vax. If your immune system has to fire up and manufacture antibodies 'from scratch' the virus generally multiples too fast for your system to prevent an infection and you get sick. ofc, your system can have active antibodies from a recent infection, too, but that's not as good as a vax, because even though you'll 'recover' from the infection the virus tends to hide itself in your tissues and linger, so any new infection has an automatic head start and your new infection may be worse than your previous one, not better.

So, vaxxing may not be perfect, but it's still provides the very best protection from the disease that's possible.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 1 March 2024 19:27 (one month ago) link

I will say that per Katelyn Jetelina's last update, the durability on this most recent vaccine according to preliminary data is better than previous vaccines/boosters, with less waning, so the 'every six month' thing might not be as necessary, even though they are definitely suggesting it for people who are elderly or immunocompromised.

though since so few are taking the vaccines (tragically)...if you want it, go get it, and you will be able to get it easily.

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Friday, 1 March 2024 19:32 (one month ago) link

Ya mind posting her update? Thanks.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 March 2024 19:37 (one month ago) link


poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 March 2024 19:48 (one month ago) link

re: antibodies, I'm wondering what information there is on environmental exposure over time. I go out to public events frequently, maybe 10-15 club shows a month, plus various other things. I got the most recent booster on the first day it was available and haven't tested positive in nearly 2 years. Does occasional/regular environmental exposure that doesn't lead to a full infection have an effect on antibody levels? Or, is there evidence that exposure without infection has detrimental long-term health effects?

bulb after bulb, Friday, 1 March 2024 19:58 (one month ago) link

Does occasional/regular environmental exposure that doesn't lead to a full infection have an effect on antibody levels?

Well, it does prove, I think, that the vax is working.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 March 2024 19:59 (one month ago) link

I got the latest booster in September, got COVID in December, should I boost again?

from a prominent family of bassoon players (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 1 March 2024 20:12 (one month ago) link

(consults his lawyer in a rapidly whispered exchange)

On advice of counsel, I recommend you should ask your physician.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 1 March 2024 20:20 (one month ago) link

I got the latest booster in September, got COVID in December, should I boost again?

It me.

I think I'm going to wait a bit, since I assume I have some protection from the infection.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 1 March 2024 20:51 (one month ago) link

Last, multiple types of testing indicated that the man has never been infected with SARS-CoV-2. But the researchers were cautious to note that this may be due to other precautions the man took beyond getting 217 vaccines.


π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Friday, 8 March 2024 12:27 (one month ago) link

just recovered from a truly brutal few days after the PCV20 pneumonia vaccine (which most people don't need, but I needed for reasons), thinking about side effects.

if you struggled with Pfizer or Moderna side effects (or if you have any kind of autoimmune thing, or you have relatives who believe MRNA vaccines put super soldiers from the IRS in your veins), consider the novavax shot. CVS won't take reservations for it, but it is carried at all their locations and they take walk ins. https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-11-novavax-latecomer-covid-vaccine-worth.html, https://www.science.org/content/article/should-you-pick-novavax-s-covid-19-shot-over-mrna-options.

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Saturday, 16 March 2024 15:23 (one month ago) link

My most recent shot was the Novavax, and the process you describe was pretty accurate: make an appointment, then when you get to CVS specify you want the Novamax. But the experience is not universal. Some months back when my mom went to get her latest shot she looked online and saw that CVS had the Novavax, but when she got there they said they didn't, supposedly because demand was so and/or their allotted doses had expired. So I guess caveat emptor/call first.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 16 March 2024 15:45 (one month ago) link

The current situation is they don't let you pick Novavax when making an appointment, and I don't think they actually want you to make a Pfizer/Moderna placeholder appointment. There is a big banner that says

"Trying to schedule a Novavax vaccine?
Novavax vaccine is carried at all locations.
Appointments are not required. Visit the location of your choice and talk with the Pharmacist in person.
Continue scheduling your appointment online for a Pfizer or Moderna vaccine."

"carried" sounds a bit aspirational, but I think the idea is "walk in and there's a decent chance we'll have it".

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Saturday, 16 March 2024 16:09 (one month ago) link

I'm trying to remember from when I made my own appointment, but I'm pretty sure they make you pick a vaccine type when you are making a vaccine appointment online. I ended up calling them afterwards and asking, and the guy at the pharmacy told me just to put down one of the other vaccines but to tell them when I checked in that I wanted the novavax. Maybe they have changed procedure? Anyway, just relating my mom's experience, since apparently just because CVS claims to carry the vaccine isn't a guarantee that they actually have it, and to call first.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 16 March 2024 16:14 (one month ago) link

Good to know. I'm getting a jab this week, probably Novavax, maybe Tanqueray.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 16 March 2024 16:18 (one month ago) link

You do have to choose a vaccine to make an appointment with cvs. You can’t choose novavax at the time you make the appointment though. They want you to just call in.

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Saturday, 16 March 2024 17:07 (one month ago) link

Reading this Medium blog about the Foo Fighters' early '00s advocacy for a group that denied the link between HIV and AIDS. Somehow I have never heard about this?


Alive and Well was not your usual celebrity charity then, but it was nonetheless amplified by one of the biggest bands in the world. In early 2000, President Clinton’s director of AIDS policy admonished them: β€œFor the Foo Fighters to be promoting this is extraordinarily irresponsible behaviour. There is no doubt about the link between HIV and AIDS in the respected scientific community and it’s quite unfortunate that a band reads one book and then adopts this theory. To say [that HIV does not cause AIDS] is akin to saying the world is flat.”

That β€œone book” was What If Everything You Thought You Knew About AIDS Was Wrong? β€” self-published pseudo-science written by Alive and Well’s founder, Christine Maggiore, a woman diagnosed with HIV in the early ’90s β€” and it fell into the idle hands of the Foo Fighters’ bassist, Nate Mendel. After devouring it, Mendel conscripted his bandmates in his advocacy for Maggiore’s group.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 22 March 2024 04:29 (one month ago) link

too much time on the bus

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 22 March 2024 10:29 (one month ago) link

I remember there was a writer for SPIN magazine in the early 90s, Celia Farber, who penned many articles questioning the HIV-AIDS link. Always thought it was a weird thing to read in a music mag.

o. nate, Friday, 22 March 2024 18:14 (one month ago) link

Celia Farber is more awful than you think (a galaxy brain thirty years ago can only get exponentially worse)


and on and on

omar little, Friday, 22 March 2024 18:25 (one month ago) link

She was Bob Jr’s girlfriend when I was interning at Spin.

steely flan (suzy), Friday, 22 March 2024 19:19 (one month ago) link

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