the totally insane true story behind the 1970s film and book Sybil

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as well as the implications of the MPD epidemic and connection with "SRA", or Satanic Ritual Abuse that followed

has anyone read the book? seen the movie?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31YvY9P3BJL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 13:27 (eight years ago) link

I've seen the movie but not read the book. Didn't they just discover she made it all up or it was implanted or something? The whole MPD/SRA phenomenon is completely fascinating to me.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Monday, 30 July 2012 13:30 (eight years ago) link

i just finished reading SYBIL EXPOSED by Debbie Nathan

http://cdn.sheknows.com/articles/2011/11/sybil-exposed.jpg

and it kind of blew my mind

epic story of the lives of three women who all have very different motivations, but come to similarly grim ends. and if you were alive in the 80s and early 90s and interested in salacious stories, this should be somewhat familiar. think sally jessy raphael interviews a woman who has 4,888 personalities! (fictional example, but you know what i mean)

nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 13:31 (eight years ago) link

I remember that lady on SJR!

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Monday, 30 July 2012 13:32 (eight years ago) link

yeah this stuff is super interesting and weird

call all destroyer, Monday, 30 July 2012 13:32 (eight years ago) link

the backstory is BAZONKERS beyond what you could even imagine, but the base truth is that they all made it all up. All three of them, for their own different very personal reasons.

but when up until the point that i read this book, i was pretty sure it was all real. i must have conveniently forgotten (or, if you prefer, dissociated into another self) when the news came out that what happened to shirley mason (sybil) was not exactly as it was represented in the Sybil film and book.

there were plans for a BOARD GAME, y'all

nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 13:34 (eight years ago) link

I'm about 100 pages into this, and the book gets a brief mention at the beginning of the chapter on cults. Not finished the chapter yet, so maybe the SRA stuff will turn up soon.

http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1316729478l/847607.jpg

clemenza, Monday, 30 July 2012 13:36 (eight years ago) link

It's good to know I can stop having nightmares about the green kitchen.

clemenza, Monday, 30 July 2012 13:37 (eight years ago) link

dr cornelia wilbur had this place called the Open Hospital where she attracted (and treated) thousands of women without much other professional medical supervision, and they were running wild in this place while she was out promoting MPD as a diagnosis, and she got what she wanted.

then it was used as the basis for countless (i say that because i have no idea how many there were) accusations (and convictions!) of Satanic Ritual Abuse, which was always sexual and always grim enough to make a person want to dissociate.

it was a huge witchhunt! i mean, i just think it's amazing to have experienced a real modern witchhunt.

there was also billy milligan, who i remember from childhood because my mom had his tabloid bio by her bed for like a gazillion years.

nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 13:40 (eight years ago) link

you can TOTALLY stop having nightmares -- it's a classic hag horror film.

nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 13:40 (eight years ago) link

i declare it so

nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 13:40 (eight years ago) link

woman who wrote the sybil bk also wrote this excellent true crime/serial killer study:

http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1299267908l/67921.jpg

Ward Fowler, Monday, 30 July 2012 13:43 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, and she also started visiting him in jail and being his 70 year old female companion!

nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 13:57 (eight years ago) link

At the end, she wrote to him, “I cannot tell you, Boomy Bum Boo, how much it meant to me to be with you.”

nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 13:58 (eight years ago) link

“I cannot tell you, Boomy Bum Boo, how much it meant to me to be with you.”

This line has been haunting me!

I mean, maybe the woman who wrote Sybil Exposed is taking this one step further and adding her own ambitious twist to this story, but she has all of her material sourced and all of the papers are archived at John Jay College, where Flora used to teach. It's just a totally jaw droppingly weird story.

nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:01 (eight years ago) link

On the SRA tip, my grandparents had this book on their shelves when I was a kid, and I used to leaf through it and be simultaneously fascinated and terrified:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5e/Michelle_Remembers.jpg

Marco YOLO (Phil D.), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:03 (eight years ago) link

YES! I was thinking of getting a copy of that.

nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:05 (eight years ago) link

Is there a more modern version of this book?
http://staging.tralucent.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Extraordinary-Popular-Delusions-and-the-Madness-of-Crowds.jpg? I like the old ones too, but I already read that one.

nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:07 (eight years ago) link

It kind of amazes me that we went through a period in 20th century America where people believed in gigantic, Satan-worshipping cults abusing scores of kids on the regular with nobody noticing.

Marco YOLO (Phil D.), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:08 (eight years ago) link

That's what I'm saying! It's BANANANANANANANANAS! Also, what does the massive popular interest in child sex torture in the name of Satan say about the nature of our interests?

nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:11 (eight years ago) link

I got really into Michelle Remembers recently - some of the scenes are so comic that they'll stay with me forever - like when her captor/owner reveals that he's thinking of getting into Satanism, he does so by throwing the horns. With a straight face, like he says "I need something more than just drugs and pornography and prostitution?" and she says, horrified, "What? What could you need?" and he raises his hand with the pinkie and index finger up in response. And then she says "No, no, noooo!"

The woman who wrote it went on to do more hoaxes where she pretended to be a holocaust survivor!

steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:11 (eight years ago) link

And there's never been any evidence of any such things existing at all, right? I think a lot of people probably still believe that it exists tbh.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:12 (eight years ago) link

I mean of large scale satanic ritual abuse and cults or whatever.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:12 (eight years ago) link

I run a large-scale Satanic cult but we are 100% anti-abuse, we do all the other stuff like blood rituals and heavy doper parties but without the abuse part we can't seem to attract any media attention

steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:14 (eight years ago) link

And there's never been any evidence of any such things existing at all, right?
right

nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:15 (eight years ago) link

Sybil Exposed is a great book!

I remember my high school psychology teacher being very into multiple personality disorder and showing our class Sybil, and even then it didn't ring true to me.

LISTEN TO THIS BRAD (Nicole), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:17 (eight years ago) link

at least in dr wilbur's case, the evidence was in the recalled memories that were elicited through sessions in which the frequent injections of Pentothal and a host of other drugs that she administered to the people she treated ERASED the memory of the session for the patient. that was part of her method.

strangely, many people seem to have been hung up on meathooks by their parents.

nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:17 (eight years ago) link

that first sentence has some clause issues but you follow me, i hope

nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:18 (eight years ago) link

my mom used to call me Sybil all the time. THANKS MOMS

Cussing like a bunch of Bukowskis (sunny successor), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:19 (eight years ago) link

shoemaker makes me want to start a thread of signet book covers from the 80s

vincent black shadow giallo (Edward III), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:21 (eight years ago) link

Nicole, have you read any of Debbie Nathan's other books? She has a couple of others that sound interesting to me -- one about her investigation of the SRA paranoia and another about PORNOGRAPHY.

Satan's Silence, a 1995 work which Nathan co-authored with Michael Snedeker, examined and "debunked" the wave of satanic ritual abuse allegations that took place beginning in the 1980s.[9][10] Victor Navasky described the book as the "definitive study" of the subject,[11] and a CounterPunch columnist credited the book as having "exposed and virtually stopped the so-called satanic cult child sex panic".[12] Paul Okami's review of the book in The Journal of Sex Research noted that the book "is not . . . a scientific work", and he had some criticisms of its organization and what Okami saw as misapplication of certain social-science concepts and an overreliance in some parts of the book on feminist and leftist economic theory; nevertheless, Okami judged the book to be "essential reading . . . for its devastating journalistic portrait" and "for its more general analysis of proximate mechanisms by which our society can become vulnerable to patent collective madness."[13]

Pornography, published in 2007, is written as a concise "guidebook" on the subject of pornography.[14] A Canadian reviewer described the writing as "frank and cool", and made note of Nathan's assertion that no connection has been established between the use of pornography and criminal behavior, as well as her focus on the "connection between porn and shame" to define pornography.[15]

nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:23 (eight years ago) link

Sunny, that is super fucked up. But it's way worse to be Sybil's mom than it is to be Sybil. Sybil's mom supposedly took many public dumps, had lesbian orgies in the woods with underage girls, and administered punitive enemas to Sybil while she was suspended from the kitchen's light fixture. (It is highly unlikely and completely unconfirmed by multiple firsthand witness interviews with people who knew her personally and intimately). So no harm done in the long run amirite?

EIII please do

nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:23 (eight years ago) link

who did that art, anyway?

nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:24 (eight years ago) link

I haven't taught a single Sybil in 15 years--I don't think I've even known one in my entire life. Like Adolf, it's a name that seems to have fallen out of favor.

clemenza, Monday, 30 July 2012 14:25 (eight years ago) link

Tears For Fears, named their album, 'Songs From the Big Chair', after a phrase used in the 1976 movie. In fact the track 'Big Chair' was inspired by 'Sybil' and the fact she felt safe in the big chair in her therapist's office.

Ward Fowler, Monday, 30 July 2012 14:26 (eight years ago) link

is there a good precis on any of this stuff available anywhere (relevant wiki entry?), so far this thread is p much elliptically the same as the catholic church thread

, Blogger (schlump), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:27 (eight years ago) link

Dr Cornelia Wilbur is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelia_B._Wilbur

nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:29 (eight years ago) link

I haven't taught a single Sybil in 15 years--I don't think I've even known one in my entire life. Like Adolf, it's a name that seems to have fallen out of favor.

― clemenza, Monday, July 30, 2012 10:25 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I really like it! I think someone should bring it back.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:29 (eight years ago) link

One perspective on Satanic Ritual Abuse http://www.religioustolerance.org/sra.htm/

nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:30 (eight years ago) link

ty LL
i figure this is maybe also useful http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_ritual_abuse
if not wrt this then just to keep as a pinned tab on the next library computer you use

, Blogger (schlump), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:31 (eight years ago) link

while she was suspended from the kitchen's light fixture.

I feel like light fixtures cannot actually withstand this? I guess it depends.

check the name, no caps, boom, i'm (Laurel), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:32 (eight years ago) link

xp - yes, indeed. i can't wait for my friends and family to see my amazon wish list when they buy me birthday presents this year.

here is the most well known of shirley mason's paintings

http://www.hiddenpaintings.com/uploads/Entrapment_s.jpg

nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:32 (eight years ago) link

laurel, she was a slight child

nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:32 (eight years ago) link

I don't think there's a single sum-up but there are a lot of individual books & documentaries that I basically can't resist every time I see one

steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:34 (eight years ago) link

That's why I wanted to read Debbie Nathan's book. I think it is that book.

nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:35 (eight years ago) link

Satan's Silence

nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:35 (eight years ago) link

I mean who can resist SATAN'S SILENCE?!

nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:35 (eight years ago) link

i read "sybil exposed" too and it is nuts

congratulations (n/a), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:36 (eight years ago) link

much deeper focus on the UK aspect, and how it moved from the US to the uk

v interesting so far

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 1 June 2015 23:36 (five years ago) link

What I found fascinating(and disturbing) was the psychology professionals interviewed who still refuse to countenance the idea that that the ritual abuse scares were anything other than genuine. I mean, this isn't like hack writers making up phony devil worship bullshit to sell some trashy paperbacks, they really believe it with a frightening amount of conviction. I just can't even think how you could begin to consider yourself fit to judge the mental health of others, while also believing that secret societies of Satanic murderers are a real threat to our way of life.

Honestly, I could've shaken that bloody woman Joan Bakewell was talking to. Delusional, dangerous idiot.

Pheeel, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 17:53 (five years ago) link

three months pass...

Currently reading After Sybil, the collection of Shirley Mason's letters from her former student/penpal. It's sheer pleasure if you enjoy reading between the lines, as the book's compiler/author seems to have bought the entire Sybil story wholesale. She also added these sad/charming little quotations at the bottom of every page, and some of them are from about.com and wikipedia.

La Lechera, Monday, 21 September 2015 17:43 (five years ago) link

omg

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 21 September 2015 18:01 (five years ago) link

their relationship is pretty weird. many of shirley's letters begin with at least a paragraph of apologies for taking so long to write. this whole story is a pileup of extremely weird personal and professional relationships between women.

La Lechera, Monday, 21 September 2015 18:04 (five years ago) link

i may have to read this

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 21 September 2015 18:08 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

Huh, Pizzagate appears to be this now. Except without the need for anyone to claim to be victims.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 6 February 2017 15:54 (three years ago) link

There is a strange rabbit hole of case in the UK that seems to focus, at least in part, on a branch of Pizza Express - possibly in Highgate iirc.

Bubba H.O.T.A.P.E (ShariVari), Monday, 6 February 2017 16:05 (three years ago) link

Similar rumours of satanic abuse, etc.

Bubba H.O.T.A.P.E (ShariVari), Monday, 6 February 2017 16:05 (three years ago) link

More info please!!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 6 February 2017 16:07 (three years ago) link

Hampstead!

I think Sword And Scale did an episode about it. A woman coached her children to lie about satanic abuse organised by her estranged husband as part of a custody battle - and put videos of the children up on Youtube. They were supposedly taken to rituals at a branch of Pizza Express - which is possibly where some of the Pizzagate stuff originated.

It's all completely ridiculous and obviously made up but there is a hardcore of a couple of dozen people who strongly believe a satanic cult is operating and harrass / stalk the supposed members.

Bubba H.O.T.A.P.E (ShariVari), Monday, 6 February 2017 16:10 (three years ago) link

Yeah, Hampstead - there's a lot more than a dozen believers now (don't know about stalkers), it's one of the bases for "this shit happens all the time so the FBI must investigate this mountain of circumstantial evidence", along with the Franklin Credit Union case and Marc Dutroux.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 6 February 2017 16:22 (three years ago) link

Marc Dutroux obviously did actually kill children and may have been an enormous coverup*, but there was some "people came forward to claim he was part of a satanic network" as well.

*willing to be corrected on this

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 6 February 2017 16:29 (three years ago) link

And remind me what this has to do with the 2016 election and Hillary? I only know the name Pizzagate because I remember people were somehow believing that she was involved in some way?!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 6 February 2017 17:31 (three years ago) link

. 'cheese pizza' is a codeword for child porn (this may be an invention of 4chan)
. John Podesta gets his mails hacked.
. The codeword 'pizza' appears a lot in the mails.
. There are some turns of phrase which may seem odd if you, for example, immerse yourself largely in one argot.
. Therefore John Podesta is a paedophile.
. David Brock's ex runs a pizza shop with ping-pong-tables and live music.
. He has an instagram - he and his friends have an edgy sense of humour.
. Therefore they are paedophiles, and the shop is where fucking and murdering kids happens.
. John Podesta and Hillary Clinton have contact with Marina Abramovic.
. Marina Abramovic is, obviously, an enormous satanist.
. Therefore so is everyone else.
. After this it gets a little dumb.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 6 February 2017 18:05 (three years ago) link

It does seem to be largely a rerun of the 80s - an assault on art, an assault on queerness, an assault on non-approved senses of humour.

As a result one of the few dark lols is seeing how this was down one end of the_donald from the alt-right as such, and now they've fled to a board largely hosted by the alt-right, so you have the Christians being largely unbothered by the new leads being researched by IHateN*****s, who is however a little freaked out by the threads just checking that "we're all praying about this".

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 6 February 2017 18:12 (three years ago) link

one of the key points with the spirit cooking thing is that the conspiracy theorists behind pizzagate are huge rubes, so they actually think that marina abramovic is a satanist, and not a shitty but entirely predictable and normal celebrity conceptual artist that rich people like john podesta would enjoy

also cheese pizza as code word apparently was actually used on 4chan and from that alt-right idiots that read 4chan thought that podesta irl used such code in emails

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Monday, 6 February 2017 18:31 (three years ago) link

the fact that podesta "left a handkerchief" at the restaurant was a huge part of the conspiracy. when you know, he legit left some fancy handkerchief at a restaurant

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Monday, 6 February 2017 18:32 (three years ago) link

I appreciate the details and analysis. Thank you
The simultaneous assault on all those things via satanism as it intersects with something as innocuous as pizza/cheese pizza is fascinating

So like who is the person who genuinely believes Podesta/Clinton are pedophiles? They're being preyed upon by a syllogism right? Who benefits from people believing this?

I can only follow this stuff from a distance so I appreciate the added context.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:04 (three years ago) link

The handkerchief is interesting because it is the... not least crazy but hardest to explain. Give me a minute.

So - there is an email, from a realtor, to friends of John Podesta, saying "Nice to show you around the properties yesterday, we found a black & white handkerchief". And the friend forwards it on to Podesta saying "Hey they found a handkerchief, I think it has a map that seems pizza-related, is it yours?" and he says "It's mine, but not worth worrying about".

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 6 February 2017 22:11 (three years ago) link

This is in a different class from the other "smoking gun". The Podestas have some friends who are another elderly couple with a family (and also, you know, billionaires), and they meet up occasionally and amongst other things play dominos. They sometimes give gifts around Christmas (because Christmas), the Podestas tend to send pasta and sauce because John loves Italian cooking, I guess?

So, one year, they get a mail from their friends saying:

I think you should give notice when changing strategies which have been long in place. I immediately realized something was different by the shape of the box and I contemplated who would be sending me something in the square shaped box. Lo and behold, instead of pasta and wonderful sauces, it was a lovely, tempting assortment of cheeses, Yummy. I am awaiting the return of my children and grandchildren from their holiday travels so that we can demolish them.

Thank you so much. I hope you and your gang are well.

I miss you both

Best wishes fro a merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

Herb

Ps. Do you think I’ll do better playing dominos on cheese than on pasta?

And when Pizzagate finds this, they goes nuts, because this is clearly code! This can't be anything else because... you can't play dominos on cheese or pasta!

(well, 90% are engaged in this Nigel Tufnel impersonation - there's 10% saying "He just said he was going to demolish his children and grandchildren! What more are we waiting for?")

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 6 February 2017 22:11 (three years ago) link

So yeah, the pizza map thing is their best lead - it sounds a little odd, and it's not some incredibly common turn of phrase that the folks at PG just haven't heard of. As far as I can tell, they're hoping that some brave citizen journalist will at some point ask John Podesta on camera what it means, and then they'll get the 5% chance that he will hiss and turn away, like a vampire from light. The other option, which would happen 100% of the time if he's innocent and 95% if he's guilty (nb these are not equally weighted possiblities), is that he will say "well, I don't remember what that means, to be honest, probably just an in-joke", and it's not clear what their backup plan is.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 6 February 2017 22:12 (three years ago) link

LL: I think some of it may be what aero was talking about above, reframing personal abuse in terms of a grander moral scheme. Some of it is I guess a similar reframing of edgelordness - I can't in my social structure revel in thinking about horrible things, but I can revel in thinking about vanquishing them.

Something that may be specific to this is people thinking "Well, I wasn't certain what to do but in the end I voted for Trump instead of Clinton (and maybe I don't want to think about why at the last I couldn't vote for her). And now he appears to be a monster. So.... she must be a BIGGER monster!"

Or, I could be full of shit.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 6 February 2017 22:17 (three years ago) link

Too bad the vigilantcitizen.com Pizzagate article isn't still up - it returns a 404 now. That was some OTT through the looking glass occult shit.

Everything Moves Towards The Sun (Ross), Monday, 6 February 2017 22:59 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

interesting new wrinkle in the saga:

sally field recently released a memoir in which she reveals that her stepfather abused her as a child. i was just listening to an interview that touched on that and she described an ability to dissociate ('walk out of the room" as she put it) and she used this to her advantage as an actor, particularly in playing Sybil. she related to her but, acc to Fields herself, it didn't dawn on her that she was able to relate because she had also experienced trauma and had a similar dissociative reaction to it.

and this relatability i think is something that draws a lot of people to the book/movie/saga of sybil...even though the story as we know it (the Shirley/Dr Wilbur/Flora Schreiber version) has been revealed to be an elaborate knot of lies. weird!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 18 October 2018 18:40 (one year ago) link

whoa, thanks for that

cod mad (Ross), Thursday, 18 October 2018 19:55 (one year ago) link

What is the Sybil DVD situation at this point? I don’t suppose any of the streaming services have it?

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 18 October 2018 22:10 (one year ago) link

i haven't checked -- i feel like it was on DVD at some point but idk about streaming

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 18 October 2018 23:57 (one year ago) link

wow that is a fascinating layer to the story.

this is my favorite boookmarked thread imo fyi

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 19 October 2018 02:21 (one year ago) link

What is Debbie Nathan working on next?

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Friday, 19 October 2018 02:59 (one year ago) link

She was writing about border issues last I checked. I follow her on twitter! https://twitter.com/DebbieNathan2

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 19 October 2018 12:15 (one year ago) link

this is probably my favorite thread too because i get to talk about SYBIL, which tbh over the years has the distinction of being my perennial favorite conversation topic

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 19 October 2018 12:34 (one year ago) link

Leaving aside pizzagate and other politically-driven conspiracies -- which don't have any real traction in mainstream media -- what's the current example of Sybil or SRA? Is there something going on now that people are giving credibility to that will eventually seem totally bizarre that anyone believed?

idk. the first thing that springs to mind is conversion therapy? it's horrifically cruel and still practiced iirc (also illegal in CA and maybe other states iirc?)

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 20 October 2018 00:34 (one year ago) link

i might be wrong about CA -- i didn't look it up before posting :-/

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 20 October 2018 00:35 (one year ago) link

That’s p politically-driven imo

Οὖτις, Saturday, 20 October 2018 00:39 (one year ago) link

The Johnny Gosch “my kid is missing & was kidnapped into an underground pedophile ring that goes all the way to the top & somehow involves the Savings & Loan collapse” springs to mind https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Gosch


It’s got so much lowlevel Satanic Panic hysteria going on, and the Netflix doc gave it a lot of unearned credibility

I feel for the mom but the whole story is out of control.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 20 October 2018 02:46 (one year ago) link

What is the Sybil DVD situation at this point?

It's a little pricey ($30), but you can still get it on Amazon. I bought it a few years ago when it was maybe half that.

clemenza, Saturday, 20 October 2018 04:26 (one year ago) link

For iffy psychology ideas, possibly psychopathy, or at least the idea that people are born as psychopaths, or that your boss is a psychopath and there's a test to prove it.

adam the (abanana), Saturday, 20 October 2018 04:53 (one year ago) link

my favorite psychopathy test is the one that just flat out asks "are you a psychopath" and nothing else

dub pilates (rushomancy), Saturday, 20 October 2018 06:30 (one year ago) link

i might be misremembering actually, i think it actually just presents the clinical definition of psychopathy and asks the test taker if that describes them

dub pilates (rushomancy), Saturday, 20 October 2018 06:32 (one year ago) link

idk, when i think about moral panics or conspiracy theories recently, i think of how victims of abuse sometimes make up cover stories to explain the abuse and its effects. especially this happens in situations where insitutions or people in positions of power refuse to acknowledge the abuse. the insidious thing is the way this coping mechanism gets used by people in power to discredit victims of abuse by accusing them of being "hysterical" (which is a specifically misogynist attack) or of just making up things out of whole cloth.

dub pilates (rushomancy), Saturday, 20 October 2018 06:50 (one year ago) link

i brought up conversion therapy because it is a cruel pseudoscientific sham + it made it into the therapeutic repertoire of otherwise accredited people/institutions. for a while at least, if i understand correctly, it was considered legitimate as a therapy (like the diagnosis and treatment of MPD/recovered memories) but clearly it is not.

the thing about the Sybil situation is that she was drugged and coerced emotionally into telling stories of abuse to perpetuate the above-reference complex web of lies and self-promotion of an ambitious doctor and the writer who immortalized her. she was not actually abused by her mother in the ways described in the book (or the movie). she was abused by her doctor.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 20 October 2018 14:15 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

What is the Sybil DVD situation at this point? I don’t suppose any of the streaming services have it?

Just as FYI, the movie showed up on the dark.net.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 5 November 2018 03:20 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

i still love talking about sybil! so much in fact that i recorded a tiny (1 min) song inspired by her. i may record more. who am i to turn away when inspiration strikes? my most recent thoughts have been about Shirley Mason's art and the role art played in her life.

here is my song! https://tinyurl.com/rs8ku8t (it's a link to my soundcloud but i didn't want it to be searchable)

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 23:57 (ten months ago) link

i am especially interested in the way she used art to process trauma.

i thought this was esp interesting:

"...The sensory experience of Mason's art may mirror the relative presence and absence manifest from the inner/outer shifting moments of selfhood, as different aspects of her subjectivity inhabit conscious control. Rather than visualize difference embedded in the visual forms and styles, as has often been noted, I ask the viewer to suspend such pronouncements. Instead, reflect upon the freshness of the experience of Mason's art; it is palpable when one confronts, through immersion, the vastness of this project. For this author the cohesiveness and integrative capacity, the traumatic experiences embedded in the art evoke certainly the stifling effects of splintering, but also much more, the congruent balance between difference, the potential self-acceptance, the healing action of and the promise of self reparation.

Another feeling from the work is a sense of urgency, of profound significance, struggling to be heard, seen and witnessed. There is a hallucinatory feeling after travelling through her work, again signalling the complex contradictions - the scream of silence and stillness. I increasingly found myself asking, where is Shirley Mason?

Mason's art is a living testament to resilience, determination and artistic legacy, in the face of unspeakable trauma. Vigilance pervades the work, searching for understanding, and the elusive comfort, amidst the sadness and poignancy of pain transcribed in every mark, in the affective traces of a hard-fought self-presence. The disquiet posits on of the enduring threads that permeate Mason's art, giving the viewer access to a reception of the empathic sensory experience of her life..."

- Geoffrey Thompson, American Art Therapy Association

more here:
https://hiddenpaintings.com/hidden-paintings

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 00:06 (ten months ago) link

four months pass...

In latest dispatch from The Crime Lady (AKA Sarah Weinman, who has written about true crime and edited domestic suspense anthology, also d.s. box set for Library of America):
If you are not listening to the podcast You’re Wrong About — and if not, why not, it’s wonderful — they are doing a book club-in-progress on Michelle Remembers, the long out-of-print 1980 tome by Michelle Smith and her psychiatrist (and future husband) Larry Pazder, that was essentially the “Patient Zero” of the Satanic panic. I am beyond fascinated with this story, since it originated in Victoria, BC, and 40 years on, encapsulates everything about the panic in a single story.

dow, Thursday, 9 April 2020 20:15 (five months ago) link

ooooh

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 9 April 2020 20:35 (five months ago) link

five months pass...

You're Wrong About again, which I found via the QAnon Anonymous podcast
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/human-trafficking/id1380008439?i=1000465289965

The "Taken" version of human trafficking doesn't exist.

wasdnous (abanana), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 02:18 (one week ago) link


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