Global Warming's Terrifying New Math

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scott seward, Friday, 20 July 2012 13:08 (twelve years ago) link

just starting to read it now, but it's by bill mckibben, so it's going to be a good read. the man is truly a hero.

your friend, (Z S), Friday, 20 July 2012 13:15 (twelve years ago) link

i would say its scary but its way beyond that. kind of an r.i.p. earth dispatch really.

scott seward, Friday, 20 July 2012 13:19 (twelve years ago) link

"In early June, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton traveled on a Norwegian research trawler to see firsthand the growing damage from climate change. "Many of the predictions about warming in the Arctic are being surpassed by the actual data," she said, describing the sight as "sobering." But the discussions she traveled to Scandinavia to have with other foreign ministers were mostly about how to make sure Western nations get their share of the estimated $9 trillion in oil (that's more than 90 billion barrels, or 37 gigatons of carbon) that will become accessible as the Arctic ice melts. Last month, the Obama administration indicated that it would give Shell permission to start drilling in sections of the Arctic."

scott seward, Friday, 20 July 2012 13:21 (twelve years ago) link

well that's good news, at least

frogbs, Friday, 20 July 2012 13:24 (twelve years ago) link

we're fucked

Tartar Mouantcheoux (Noodle Vague), Friday, 20 July 2012 13:26 (twelve years ago) link

all that pesky arctic ice was hiding all the oil!

scott seward, Friday, 20 July 2012 13:28 (twelve years ago) link

it's why if you talk to people who work on climate change (people at environmental nonprofits, climate scientists, think tanks), everyone has this attitude that's beyond fatalistic. like, you almost have to laugh at the situation a little bit to keep yourself from going insane. i guess the article talks about that a bit:

We're in the same position we've been in for a quarter-century: scientific warning followed by political inaction. Among scientists speaking off the record, disgusted candor is the rule. One senior scientist told me, "You know those new cigarette packs, where governments make them put a picture of someone with a hole in their throats? Gas pumps should have something like that."

your friend, (Z S), Friday, 20 July 2012 13:33 (twelve years ago) link

but yeah, it's absurd. in 2010, my dad told me "you know who Obama should appoint for secretary of energy? Sarah Palin. i don't agree with her about a lot of stuff, but she has really good ideas about energy." my dad's kind of an outlier i guess, because he's a super fundamentalist who believes the earth is 8000 years old and doesn't believe that climate change could happen because god promised not to flood the earth again, and even if environmental catastrophe did occur, he'd be raptured out of it (the "pre-wrath rapture" theory") before the shit hit the fan. but man, there are a toooooooon of really ignorant people out there that don't want to hear anything that's bad news.

your friend, (Z S), Friday, 20 July 2012 13:36 (twelve years ago) link

it really is up to the governments of the world. all of them. the average person is too far gone to really change things. i'm too far gone! he mentions that moral outrage over the loss of a city due to climate-related storms would change opinion, although there has already been mass devastation to cities due to super storms and it hasn't changed anyone's mind about anything. plus, for some reason people don't want to make the connection. major damage due to warming doesn't make people hate the oil companies.

scott seward, Friday, 20 July 2012 13:45 (twelve years ago) link

this is increasingly all I think about and it leaves me in a heavy depression. I try to be fatalistic about it and tell myself that the universe will go on regardless, but that's not comfort since I guess one day it will be a dark grey cold mass of atoms.

lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Friday, 20 July 2012 13:45 (twelve years ago) link

i find it near-impossible to imagine a government stepping in to take the necessary action against oil companies in liberal socialist Europe, there's absolutely no chance in hell it wd happen in the US or China

Tartar Mouantcheoux (Noodle Vague), Friday, 20 July 2012 13:47 (twelve years ago) link

all the news stories here about the drought are about how you might be paying more at the pump in the future! that is the number one concern. oh and food prices are gonna go up. that takes second place.

scott seward, Friday, 20 July 2012 13:47 (twelve years ago) link

thats really the frustrating part; it really seems like as a planet we could buckle down and fix things, we just won't

frogbs, Friday, 20 July 2012 13:47 (twelve years ago) link

whenever I hear the phrase "the price at the pump" it makes me insane. was looking at various political parties' platforms, and of course in the energy section for the democrats' paper there is little mention of climate change, and instead just talk about energy security, independence, and yes, the "price at the pump."

lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Friday, 20 July 2012 13:50 (twelve years ago) link

It sounds like it may be coming to a head in the US soon if next year's corn harvest may be fucked.

I am curious what the thinking inside China is - I oddly expect more of them than the US, partly because I don't associate them with "Oh God won't let that happen".

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 20 July 2012 13:51 (twelve years ago) link

I remember having my huge bout of paralyzed fear about the environment in early 1992 -- still always associate the Church's stellar Priest = Aura with that, probably why that album has lingered with me for so long. I don't see myself returning to that state anymore because it's almost like...well, I went through it, and my fears never went away. I just became inured, and so I'll just live my life as low impact as possible and...wait.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2012 13:53 (twelve years ago) link

xpost but it's up to people to force their governments to act.

what i'm dreading even more than the world that we'll have to live in for the rest of our lives - where the new normal is weeks on end of 100+ degrees, droughts, Katrinas, oceanic foodchains ruined by acidification, climate refugees struggling to move to the remaining pockets of the world where agriculture isn't wrecked - is the geoengineering "solutions" that will inevitably arise. it's so obvious that that's where we're headed. and no doubt, geoengineering efforts will probably be pushed by exxon-mobil and the like.

your friend, (Z S), Friday, 20 July 2012 13:54 (twelve years ago) link

what is the true percentage of people in the US that believe god is protecting us though? I feel that there are many who just don't want to admit the truth because it is terrifying, or are just susceptible to listening to whichever account of events is least traumatizing. I figure it's quite a minority who really believe that God Himself will prevent any ecological disaster, even if a majority of Americans identify as religious.

xxpost

lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Friday, 20 July 2012 13:54 (twelve years ago) link

like most Americans are religious, but not thaaaaat religious, right? I mean most people just like to say they believe in god and attend church once in a while. right guys??

lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Friday, 20 July 2012 13:56 (twelve years ago) link

now I think I'm fooling myself maybe

lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Friday, 20 July 2012 13:57 (twelve years ago) link

i need a drink after reading this

Spectrum, Friday, 20 July 2012 13:57 (twelve years ago) link

I get the impression that it works on a lower/earlier level, like as long as there's FUD about climate change, people can react to it as "one story is this, and one story is that, but God would not put us in the situation where Story 1 happens so it must be Story 2"

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 20 July 2012 13:59 (twelve years ago) link

I am curious what the thinking inside China is - I oddly expect more of them than the US, partly because I don't associate them with "Oh God won't let that happen".

also because their leadership would actually have the ability to unilaterally "force" action on the issue. don't know if they'd actually do it, but at least it's possible.

your friend, (Z S), Friday, 20 July 2012 14:00 (twelve years ago) link

there was a nyer stat about 26% (iirc) of americans defining themselves as evangelicals, recently (xxxp)

hey Z S, sorry to use you as a lazy wikipedia substitute, BUT, is it correct that the limited action that was taken by governments after the discovery of the hole in the o-zone layer was actually effective? that stat always seemed slightly reassuring to me, because i couldn't believe that anyone did a lot, but the idea that some modest action was effective seemed promising.

, Blogger (schlump), Friday, 20 July 2012 14:02 (twelve years ago) link

these are some of the people in power in the united states. just so we are clear:

In 2009, for the first time, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce surpassed both the Republican and Democratic National Committees on political spending; the following year, more than 90 percent of the Chamber's cash went to GOP candidates, many of whom deny the existence of global warming. Not long ago, the Chamber even filed a brief with the EPA urging the agency not to regulate carbon – should the world's scientists turn out to be right and the planet heats up, the Chamber advised, "populations can acclimatize to warmer climates via a range of behavioral, physiological and technological adaptations." As radical goes, demanding that we change our physiology seems right up there.

scott seward, Friday, 20 July 2012 14:02 (twelve years ago) link

U.S. Chamber of Commerce is horrible for many reasons, not least of which is that they fool people into thinking they're an actual gov't agency!

lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Friday, 20 July 2012 14:05 (twelve years ago) link

Not long ago, the Chamber even filed a brief with the EPA urging the agency not to regulate carbon – should the world's scientists turn out to be right and the planet heats up, the Chamber advised, "populations can acclimatize to warmer climates via a range of behavioral, physiological and technological adaptations." As radical goes, demanding that we change our physiology seems right up there.

as cynical as i am about the intelligence of our conservative political leaders, i think that many of them really do understand the implications of climate change. as time goes on and denying climate change becomes more and more absurd - think about the first warnings about cigarettes and cancer in the late 50s, the loooooooong conservative battle against those scientists who were trying to save lives, and then the gradual, quiet acceptance of the facts in the following decades - the rhetoric will quickly shift to geoengineering "solutions", since by then it will be too late to actually effectively mitigate climate change by reducing CO2 emissions. hell, it's probably already too late NOW, when you take into account tipping points/feedback loops. anyway, they'll be happy to move straight to geoengineering, because that's a pro-business attitude that doesn't involve changing your own lifestyle.

your friend, (Z S), Friday, 20 July 2012 14:08 (twelve years ago) link

http://adsoftheworld.com/files/sony.start_.new_.tunnel20.jpg

scott seward, Friday, 20 July 2012 14:15 (twelve years ago) link

wait did ned just say that he made his peace with the destruction of the planet via an australian college rock band from the 80's?

scott seward, Friday, 20 July 2012 14:22 (twelve years ago) link

sounds about right

mississippi joan hart (crüt), Friday, 20 July 2012 14:23 (twelve years ago) link

You gotta start somewhere.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2012 14:25 (twelve years ago) link

hey Z S, sorry to use you as a lazy wikipedia substitute, BUT, is it correct that the limited action that was taken by governments after the discovery of the hole in the o-zone layer was actually effective? that stat always seemed slightly reassuring to me, because i couldn't believe that anyone did a lot, but the idea that some modest action was effective seemed promising.

yes, the actions taken were relatively effective! but the experience is - cue negative nancy alert - unfortunately not very applicable to the problem of climate change. ozone depletion is primarily caused by the use of chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs). Banning the use of CFCs in things like spray cans and refrigerators was relatively easy to accomplish, since there are chemical substitutes that could be used at a similar cost. and it was regulation that could be implemented quickly, from the top down, on industry.

climate change, on the other hand, is driven by the emission of greenhouse gases, primarily from burning coal and using oil. but the key is that the infrastructure required to deliver energy and car-centered transportation to the people is enormous. you can't change it overnight, and you can't do it in a way that consumers barely notice (like phasing out CFCs in spray cans). there are cleaner substitutes for coal and oil, of course, but the substitutes tend to be more expensive and will take a long time to replace to replace the existing infrastructure.

and also, there's just the sheer usefulness of fossil fuels. think about what a gallon of gasoline provides for you - it enables a weak, feeble human being to move a one ton automobile for 30 miles or so! imagine pushing that car! all from a gallon of fossilized ancient dead organisms! it's seriously amazing. and so incredibly cheap. $3 for access to superhuman powers. it's like playing videogames on god mode. people in underdeveloped countries understandably want access to oil and coal. again, all of this in contrast to CFCs, which could be eliminated without negatively impacting the prospects of a better life for anyone else.

your friend, (Z S), Friday, 20 July 2012 14:26 (twelve years ago) link

xpost -- Said album was more of a vehicle and a lens, in that it builds up to a pretty harrowing ending. I don't know whether it matched my mood or enabled it, but I find it pretty inextricable in reflecting back, and anytime I encounter stories or concerns like this it's part of the soundtrack in my head.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2012 14:27 (twelve years ago) link

If global warming is real, then why is it cold in winter? Huh? Fuck you, science.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 20 July 2012 14:29 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4MCRrsmzYU

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 20 July 2012 14:29 (twelve years ago) link

The first six months of 2012 were the hottest on record. Deke Arndt, chief of the climate monitoring branch of NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center, takes a look at record warm temperatures across the county and the world and their connections to global warming.

http://www.wnyc.org/shows/bl/2012/jul/11/weather/

scott seward, Friday, 20 July 2012 14:47 (twelve years ago) link

The 'Dark Knight' shootings are terrifying and ppl will rightly be appalled by them but somehow climate change lacks the immediacy that would rightly make it that much more terrifying.

sive gallus et mulier (Michael White), Friday, 20 July 2012 15:52 (twelve years ago) link

it's because what's predicted to happen has never happened before in human memory and so people just ignore it.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 20 July 2012 15:58 (twelve years ago) link

if you can scarcely conceptualize a threat then it's hard to motivate yourself to give up deeply ingrained habits and privileges to stop it.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 20 July 2012 15:59 (twelve years ago) link

i do wonder what sort of world the rest of my life will be spent in. will my neighbors and myself experience widespread privation? or will life in america just become marginally more difficult, with our wealth and technology insulating ourselves from the worst of it? will my diet change thanks to rolling food shortages? will we all simply die of malnutrition in 40 years?

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 20 July 2012 16:01 (twelve years ago) link

3.7 x 10-99, a number considerably larger than the number of stars in the universe.

he sorta blows his math cred in the second sentence. that number is almost zero.

Thus Sang Freud, Friday, 20 July 2012 16:03 (twelve years ago) link

odds are expressed as a fraction of 1 iirc

Tartar Mouantcheoux (Noodle Vague), Friday, 20 July 2012 16:08 (twelve years ago) link

agree. the odds are small, not large. an editor should have picked that up.

Thus Sang Freud, Friday, 20 July 2012 16:11 (twelve years ago) link

Dodgy formatting imo, should it be 3.7 x 10^99:1? Or 3.7 x 10:99? Or what?

mod night at the oasis (NickB), Friday, 20 July 2012 16:12 (twelve years ago) link

more proof that this is all a hoax

your friend, (Z S), Friday, 20 July 2012 16:16 (twelve years ago) link

Sorry, I've got my stupid head on and didn't read the sentence properly. Yes, it makes no sense as he has written it.

mod night at the oasis (NickB), Friday, 20 July 2012 16:26 (twelve years ago) link

it makes sense it's just inaccurate. he shd've used odds against if he wanted to draw the stars comparison.

Tartar Mouantcheoux (Noodle Vague), Friday, 20 July 2012 16:27 (twelve years ago) link

i mean, i knew what he meant, so it makes sense, and i squinted at the -99 index when i read it

Tartar Mouantcheoux (Noodle Vague), Friday, 20 July 2012 16:28 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah

Billion Year Polyphonic Spree (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 3 June 2024 20:17 (one month ago) link

More than 250 deaths due to heatwave in UP, Bihar and Orissa, it includes 25 polling officials ; 22 killed as bus falls in a gorge in Jammu ; eight newborn babies killed in a fire breakout in Delhi. The lives of ordinary people that have no meaning

— Rana Ayyub (@RanaAyyub) June 1, 2024

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 4 June 2024 07:28 (one month ago) link

strange way phrase it. maybe their lives are dismissed and devalued in a political context, but those lives had a social context where they held plenty of meaning.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 4 June 2024 18:37 (one month ago) link

I was going to excuse the odd phrasing until I saw that she's a writer for the Washington Post and New Yorker.

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Tuesday, 4 June 2024 19:12 (one month ago) link

a good example of a writer reaching for an 'effect' that sounded good in the moment they wrote it, but they should have considered it a little longer before committing to it

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 4 June 2024 19:24 (one month ago) link

I don't understand what a bus crash has to do with global warming?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 4 June 2024 19:42 (one month ago) link

what was your point in posting this here other than to get aimless to respond on the merits of the prose (in which case congrats?)

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 4 June 2024 19:43 (one month ago) link

which 'you' are you talking to?

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 4 June 2024 19:47 (one month ago) link

there was more in that tweet than the bus thing, you know

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Tuesday, 4 June 2024 19:56 (one month ago) link

Not sure what's going on in the comments.

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Tuesday, 4 June 2024 19:59 (one month ago) link

I don't understand what a bus crash has to do with global warming?

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 4 June 2024 bookmarkflaglink

What don't you understand about "250 killed during heatwave" across three Indian states.

Aimless gonna be Aimless, not my problem

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 4 June 2024 20:51 (one month ago) link

so the relevance of the tweet to this thread was just the bit before the first semi-colon? the other stuff is unrelated but you communicate via links to tweets? or am I missing something?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 4 June 2024 21:20 (one month ago) link

It seems you've read the prose of Ed Zitron and its broken you today? Maybe lie down for a bit?

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 4 June 2024 21:24 (one month ago) link

I didn’t read the zitron piece. Gave up on him years ago.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 4 June 2024 21:25 (one month ago) link

The fire was caused by a welding accident and the bus crash was caused by a bus crash. Those deaths were unrelated to climate change. If her point in relating them is that live if not valued then sure. If it’s that climate change is killing a lot of people then not sure how the other stuff is relevant. Don’t care really. Wonder what your point is though. Tend to assume it’s to get aimless to respond most of the time.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 4 June 2024 21:28 (one month ago) link

Lol how did I know Aimless was gonna respond to that tweet?

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 4 June 2024 21:31 (one month ago) link

He is not the onky person who throws tantrums over tweets. You just did that.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 4 June 2024 21:32 (one month ago) link

Still got no idea what your point is.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 4 June 2024 21:40 (one month ago) link

"Wonder what your point is though."

To save you any more pain: Scott just posted a link last night looking at how heatwaves could potentially kill people where electricity (and aircon capacity) could go off. In the piece it mentions many people go without this anyway, and I saw the tweet from India that talked about heatwaves killing people just now, and yes the other incidents linked into the conclusion of how little ordinary people matter. Aimless and you both tried to rationalise the somewhat emotional conclusion xp

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 4 June 2024 21:41 (one month ago) link

eh I think you’ve misunderstood me but at least I know what your point is now.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 4 June 2024 21:45 (one month ago) link

I've understood you enough please don't try and say more. Thanks.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 4 June 2024 21:48 (one month ago) link

hard to follow people who don’t also communicate solely in tweet embeds I’m sure

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 4 June 2024 21:51 (one month ago) link

You struggle reading a blog.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 4 June 2024 21:55 (one month ago) link

what can I say, I think you post bad links. afaict that’s all you do here. I’ll mute you want and i wish you all the best in your goals (content aggregation?)

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 4 June 2024 22:03 (one month ago) link

You struggled to make a simple link, from what was posted yesterday, and had a tantrum about another poster's reaction. I don't give a shit what you do or think about what I do on here.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 4 June 2024 22:07 (one month ago) link

But yes I wish you all the best (with your reading comprehension?)

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 4 June 2024 22:10 (one month ago) link

you don't give a shit what anyone does or thinks about what you do on here.

he/him hoo-hah (map), Tuesday, 4 June 2024 22:11 (one month ago) link

Speaking of posters who throw tantrums..

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 4 June 2024 22:11 (one month ago) link

I've understood you enough please don't try and say more. Thanks.

lol at you not with you

z_tbd, Tuesday, 4 June 2024 22:35 (one month ago) link

JD going off the deep end here

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Tuesday, 4 June 2024 23:51 (one month ago) link

like, you've always been a dick but lately u seem completely disconnected from any sort of consensus reallity

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Tuesday, 4 June 2024 23:52 (one month ago) link

sorry "JD" = xyzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Tuesday, 4 June 2024 23:53 (one month ago) link

Tweet’s point being made very nicely itt

and ofc it’s a load of white people queuing up to tell xyzzzz__ he’s not discussing points about climate change in India accurately

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Wednesday, 5 June 2024 00:46 (one month ago) link

lol at you not with you

― z_tbd, Tuesday, 4 June 2024 bookmarkflaglink

At leaat you are nit cluelessly crying about 'AI'

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 5 June 2024 06:45 (one month ago) link

like, you've always been a dick but lately u seem completely disconnected from any sort of consensus reallity

― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Tuesday, 4 June 2024 bookmarkflaglink

A bunch of ppl wanting to load off in issues with my 'posting style' as a response to a tweet reporting death due to a heatwave and you are telling me I'm not connected to reality?

"Lol at you not with you"

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 5 June 2024 06:52 (one month ago) link

A decade ago, scientists had estimated that the chances of the planet warming 1.5 degrees C by 2020 were nearly zero. Now, the probability of that happening by 2028 is an estimated 8 in 10.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2024/06/05/global-temperatures-1-5-celsius-record-year/

scott seward, Wednesday, 5 June 2024 18:53 (one month ago) link

And here is some more on how the high temperatures might've impacted on the vote.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jun/05/india-election-results-heat-bjp-cllmate-crisis

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 5 June 2024 18:55 (one month ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/zsZt5YO.png

https://www.noaa.gov/news-release/during-year-of-extremes-carbon-dioxide-levels-surge-faster-than-ever

Ralph Keeling, director of the Scripps CO2 program that manages the institution’s 56-year-old measurement series, noted that year-to-year increase recorded in March 2024 was the highest for both Scripps and NOAA in Keeling Curve history.

“Not only is CO2 now at the highest level in millions of years, it is also rising faster than ever,” said Keeling.

z_tbd, Monday, 10 June 2024 15:19 (one month ago) link

90+ degrees on the last day of spring, just like always. nothing to see here

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 19 June 2024 19:52 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

https://i.imgur.com/32mC0De.png

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/interactive/2024/louisiana-sea-wall-gas-facility-flooding/
(gift link: https://wapo.st/3zq8niG)

The marshes that blanket this pancake-flat parish south of New Orleans stretch for miles, strewn with small streams that flow into the Gulf of Mexico. A lone four-lane road goes south past a Navy air base, an idle industrial site, a coal export terminal and a handful of small storm-battered communities.

Then, suddenly, a gigantic facility rises from the wetlands. Cranes dot the skyline. They hover over crews that are installing a jumble of pipes, pumps, storage tanks and two 720-megawatt power plants — equipment needed to freeze natural gas into a liquid form so it can be shipped around the world.

It might seem like a risky location for a $21 billion liquefied natural gas plant, given this region’s ferocious hurricanes and sea levels that are rising faster than almost anywhere else on the planet. But the company building this plant, Arlington, Va.-based Venture Global, says it has an answer to these threats: a 26-foot-high steel sea wall that surrounds the 632-acre site, twice the size of Washington’s National Mall.

z_tbd, Friday, 5 July 2024 20:44 (two weeks ago) link

i think we should give the rising fortresses a fair chance!

z_tbd, Friday, 5 July 2024 20:45 (two weeks ago) link

new all-time record in las vegas today: 120 F, beating the previous mark of 117

i’m sure the local power authority was begging the casinos to limit their peak-hour a/c usage

mookieproof, Monday, 8 July 2024 05:25 (two weeks ago) link

- Fed Chair's testimony before the house Jul 11, 2024.
- Excerpt from almost the last question after two days and more than six hours of testimony.

Congress: In 2021 you were part of the FSOC report on climate related Financial Risk that for the first time identified climate risk as an emerging threat to climate stability. Do you still agree with that conclusion?

Fed Chair: The conclusion being what again?

Congress Person: That climate change was an emerging threat to US financial stability.

Fed Chair: Yeah.

Congress: I raise that because I've been troubled by some of the letters we've written by this April Bloomberg report that said:
number 1: that fed officials were pressuring the basel committee to make disclosures of bank's transition plans optional and they succeeded,
number 2: that the Fed OCC and FDIC were pushing to limit implementation of the basel committee's climate risk management principals to remove financed emissions, and
number 3: that the US, unlike other countries did not propose that any of its banks be subject to an analysis of how they incorporated climate in their credit risk assessments.
Have any representatives from your agency attempted to weaken the basel committee's work on climate risk including by expressing concern about the basel committee overstepping its mandate with respect to its climate work?

Fed Chair: I guess I would say it this way. The FED does not have an mandate of fostering an energy transition or dealing with climate change. Some of the northern European banks feel that they do. They actually have that. It is in their mandate either explicitly or implicitly but we don't.

Congress: But if we agree that climate change is an emerging threat to the stability of the banking system. Are you saying you are not acting on it because you don't have the authority or you're not acting on it because you disagree with what you said in 2021?

Fed Chair: When you say and I agree there's an emerging threat to financial stability, that's over time. I think looking to the banking agencies to lead the fight on climate change is a big mistake. I think it is a job for elected people. we don't have that mandate in the united states. We can do a very limited thing which is make sure that the institutions we supervise are aware of and can manage those risks. We are not going to be the ones who are forcing them to adopt plans to transition and that kind of thing. That is just not going to happen through the banking agencies without a law change.

Congress: So if it is the view of the rest of the world that climate change is a Financial Risk and we're going to regulate our banks is it the view of the FED that the US GSIB's should not be required to report (about this risk)?

Fed Chair: You know again, we're not going to be climate policy makers at the FED. We are not going to do that. We don't have that mandate. A key to our independence is that we stick to the job you've given us and the idea that we should discover climate and say we're going to lead the fight on climate. If we are going to do things like that we should be part of the treasury department.

Congress: Well, so to be clear, no one's under the illusions that you're the EPA. But I spoke with Janet Yellen about this yesterday. We have multiple states where the insurance industry is collapsing. Something like, as you know well, something like a third to 40% of US wealth is tied up in real estate and okay, US homeowners are not GSIBs but in the 2008 financial crisis we had risk that moved out of the GSIBs onto other entities' balance sheets and we said, 'well we're not responsible because it's an insurance company'. Well, we fixed that. You do have an mandate if there's systemic risk so the question is if we know that risk is moving through the system is the FSOC monitoring that risk or is the FSOC [of the opinion] that, 'if I'm not allowed to look at it, I'm not going to look at it. It is someone else's problem'. Because that somebody else is the person sitting here. Right. We're going to be accountable if that risk, when those chickens come home to roost.

Fed Chair: The banks know their risks pretty well and you see the banks and the insurance companies pulling back from lending in coastal areas and things like that.

Congress: No I agree. But where are they offloading that risk to? We've seen them putting it onto Fanny and Freddie. We've seen Fanny and Freddie try and put it on the reinsurance industry. ***The risk doesn't go away.***

Fed Chair: We don't regulate them.

Popture, Saturday, 13 July 2024 21:10 (one week ago) link

Jeez. Thank you for posting that.

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 13 July 2024 23:02 (one week ago) link

Whoever wins the election will need to have a plab for this.

The heat in the Southwest US is incredible. #Vegas saw its fifth day with temperatures of at least 115°F (46°C). During the first nine days of July, ~2.2 billion gallons of water just vaporized from Lake #Shasta. The whole region is at risk of becoming uninhabitable in summer. pic.twitter.com/osqddOEU0m

— Peter Dynes (@PGDynes) July 13, 2024

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 17 July 2024 19:28 (five days ago) link

trump: immigrants are the problem
biden: we will partner with the world's leading desalinization experts in israel to fix this with technology and make some money along the way

z_tbd, Wednesday, 17 July 2024 22:06 (five days ago) link

Here's some actual terrifying new math from NOAA. In 2024 (as of July 9), there have been 15 confirmed weather/climate disaster events with losses exceeding $1 billion each to affect United States.

https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/monitoring-content/billions/images/2024-billion-dollar-disaster-map.png

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 22 July 2024 10:34 (nine hours ago) link

Defense budget is what, 850 billion now. Money can be printed over there

xyzzzz__, Monday, 22 July 2024 13:44 (five hours ago) link

i honestly don't know if i could make it through something like this. it just sounds like hell on earth.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/22/world/middleeast/egypt-heat-wave-summer-power-cuts.html

"with temperatures barely dipping below 100 degrees in Cairo since May..."

"the blackouts have become such a fact of life that local media has taken to publishing regular tips for what to do if stranded in an elevator as the power goes off. At least nine people have died under such circumstances, according to local media reports.

“Pound on the door and don’t panic,” suggested a recent headline in Al Masry Al Youm, one news outlet."

“Seriously, I avoid speaking or dealing with my family or my son during the power cut hours because I lose my temper so quickly,” said Fatma Hassan, 28, who lives in Aswan, Egypt’s southernmost city, where the temperature hit 121 degrees on June 6. In the shade.

While some areas saw no disruptions, she noted, her in-laws lost power for three hours a day. When she visits, the family puts her 10-month-old son in a bucket of water to cool him."

scott seward, Monday, 22 July 2024 14:42 (four hours ago) link

and the scary thing is, i can see it happening where i live in the coming years. its already getting that bad out west. 110 degrees in idaho and oregon? eventually, grids everywhere are just going to go poof. or rolling blackouts will happen to save power.

scott seward, Monday, 22 July 2024 14:45 (four hours ago) link


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