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What was _your_ favorite story/Doctor/companion? Have you read any of the recent books published by Virgin or the BBC? Or was it all unconvincing crap?

Question inspired by an off-handed comment from Tom.

Dan Perry, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

CLASSIC!!!!! Doctor Who made me the person I am today, from when I was a wee dot, sitting in my dad's lap, watching the scary Jon Pertwee episodes between my dad's legs, to being a teenage sci fi freak, watching the Tom Baker episodes on Channel 13. I lost track after the Peter Davidson episodes (although I liked him a lot more than the later ones, he forever in my mind should be roaming around the Yorkshire Dales as a vet, not jetting around Galifrey as a Time Lord.)

There are too many great stories to count, but my favourite episode is probably The Ark In Space, or whatever that scary one with the sleeping people in the space station that got eaten by giant bees.

Also, the whole season that was the "key to time" story arc, I can't remember the name of any individual episodes, but just the fact that the Sonic Screwdriver ended up being the key on which the whole universe hinged was pretty damned cool. Plus, I had, like, a huge crush on Adrik, the original indie maths nerd, when I was a pre-teen. Though of all the companions, I think Romana was the coolest, just cause I wanted to *be* her. She was smarter than the Dr, after all. :-)

Funny, cause all the things that people point to, saying it's a dud- abysmally low production budget, lack of special effects, socks with googley eyes glued on for monsters- were all the things that made it endearing. And the quality of writing was just AMAZING- the minimal budget that they had, they spent on getting the very best in sci fi writers to come up with concepts and stories so engaging that you didn't care that it looked crap.

I could go on at length, but I've already outed myself as a geek enough on this board for one week...

masonic boom, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I never really watched, but the opening would always scare the hell out of me when the faces flew out. Those faces and the sleestaks from the Land of the Lost gave me nightmares.

Jeff, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yay! I'm not alone.

"Doctor Who" was far and away my favorite show growing up. "The Ark In Space" is definitely high on my list, along with "The Robots of Death", "Kinda", "The Caves Of Androzani", the whole Key To Time season, "Inferno", "The Mind Robber"... Oh, I could go on and on. Favorite Doc is Davison, mostly because he managed to pull off underplaying the role and comes across as even more powerful because of it. Hell, I'm so into it that I've got EVERY book published in the New Adventures series from _Timewyrm: Genesys_ in the Virgin series through _Vanishing Point_ in the BBC series. (I do draw the line at conventions, though. Even when I was a kid, I thought the entire concept of a Doctor Who convention filled with adults dressed as these characters to be really disturbing.)

Best companions? Without a doubt, Leela, Romana I, Tegan, Sarah Jane, and Turlough. Especially Leela. (cf: fictional characters I've had a crush on)

Dan Perry, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Classic: when William Hartnell went to sleep and Patrick Troughton woke up, and walked out onto the surface of Dalek planet, all bubbling withg liquid mercury. I watched this unprepared aged eight, and see it vividly to this day, in colour. It wz broadcast in black and white. Troughton = far and away the best Doctor + yeti on the underground; Cybermen; Ice Warriors [Iththe Warriors}

Classic: the (original) Master, played by Roger Delgado.

Dud: all the stuff with Unit (ur-notion for the Initiative in Buffy? Only rubbish instead of good, obviously), and Pertwee himself (to me = Troughton nut). But Pertwee's ENEMIES were often grate (=Devils, Sea Devils: one of the Devils was called BOD!!)

Ten-ton dud: Tom "Overract why fucking don't you" Baker. But the Gallifrey/Time Lord business was often amusing.

Three-ton dud: Peter Davidson. BUT the ing on the first season of stories (esp. CASTROVALVA, abut timewarps and paradoxes, name taken from a lithograph by ESCHER = overlooked classic)

Hundred-ton duds: subsequent Doctors /Peter Cushing movies

mark s, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

ing = writing

mark s, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oh, go on! Tom Baker's total overacting was what made him so brilliant! It just went along with the melodrama of sock monsters and models exploding with firecrackers, it just added to the charm of it somehow. My fave Doctor is a toss-up between him and Pertwee, probably just because that was the era I first fell in love with. Granted, much of the time, Pertwee was annoyingly grounded with the UNIT stuff (though much of the annoying miltarism of this period was balanced by the fact that Brigadeer "fwah fwah fwah" Leftbridge-Stewart was such a loveable bumbling twit who wanted to blow everything up.)

Castrovalva! Was that the one where they were trapped in the scarily moebius strip city that Adrik (ah, archetype of all indie mathsrock nerds of my heart...) discovered that he had mistakenly created with his mathematical formulae?

Oh, and here's a question: K-9, what think you? Super-cool uber gadget who always saved the day, or annoying cutesy ploy, the Dr. Who equivalent of Ewoks?

Man, I have always wished that I had a sonic screwdriver!

masonic boom, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

P.S. sorry, Troughton always looked to me like a puffin! Though I do have to admit, he had some of the best companions- that cute little mod girl was ace, and Jamie, that mad scotsman in the kilt... Those knees! Phwoar, etc!!!

masonic boom, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

This is a Belle&Sebastian Wow-factor thing, tho, isn't it? Yr first, no, yr !second! is always held in specisal esteem? I always found Baker-era gadget-dom overdone. K9 was a pai9.

Castrovalva and Adrik: very possibly correct — of course, this era Who is NEVER repeated (cuz supposedly a decline on Pertwee/ Baker), plus my memory is swirling away like asteroids into a time discontinuity anyway, so I don't recall. Part of my mathrock reason for liking Adrik was that the maths was, erm, not utterly entirely bogus. (mathrock = mathmath in my case...)

Jo = my major crush-assistant, I suppose. Can't be: she always screamed and wuz scared. Who was the one who ACTUALLY DIED? Played by Jean Marsh (later of Upstairs Downstairs). Or am I tripping?

GOT IT! My major crush assistant was Zoe!! (This too is a Wow-factor thing...)

Sub-thread Q: lamest Dr Who assistant?

mark s, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

zoe = cute little mod girl

mark s, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Lamest assistant = Colin whassisface's backpacking American chick. Stupid, contrived and ANNOYING attempt to pander to the American market when, for fucks sake, the biggest Dr. Who APPEAL to yanks was the Anglophile factor.

masonic boom, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

As I recall she got her brain swapped with a slug. And was then replaced by Bonnie Langford.

Mark is right - it's your second. Peter Davison in my case. This theory probably falls down if applied to any post-Davison due to transcendental awfulness.

Tom, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The depths of my fandom revealed:

Jean Marsh played Sara Kingdom in "The Dalek Masterplan" and has the distinction of being the only companion to join and die in the same story. (Of course, "The Dalek Masterplan" went on for 16 episodes or something like that...)

"Castrovalva" is definitely the one where the Master uses Adric to generate a trans-dimensional mathematical construct solely to trap a confused and newly-regenerated Doctor.

Patrick Troughton rocked the house as far as I can tell. The only stories of his I've really seen are "The Mind Robber" and "The War Games", though, so I don't have enough evidence to knock Davison outof the top spot. The Yeti were SORELY underused, though.

Frasier Hines, who played Jamie, was also on "Upstairs, Downstairs".

The Doctor had three companions die during the television series; Srar Kingdom, Katarina, and Adric. The books added Liz Shaw and Roslynn Forrester to this list, plus the Brigadier is now living out the rest of his life in an alternate dimension populated by faries. (No, really.)

The misfortune of the Peri character was teaming her with the sixth Doctor. Either forceful, grating personality could have worked, but both together were a SHOCKINGLY bad idea. Interestingly enough, the new fiction line has managed to not only completely salvage Peri and the sixth Doctor, but also the hideously misconceived Melanie Bush, who has gone from being a chirpy nightmare to one of the more capable people the Doctor has travelled with.

Worst companion? Victoria Waterfield, aka the extremely wet Victorian girl whose sole function was to scream, "Help me Jamie!" at every opportunity. They replaced her with Zoe for reason, folks...

Dan Perry, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

As a kid I enjoyed it, the Tardis was cool, and K-9 kicked ass. I doubt sincerely if I could sit through more than 5 minutes of it today, I wouldn't want to ruin my childhood memories. Therefore, I shall not be purchasing the DVD box set.

james e l, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Dr. Who is the way to be. Today they spend money on stupid computer effects. Why didn't they realise cheap video effects are way better! Doctor who is so Add n to x! I love docotr who.

-- Mike Hanley, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Someone's BRAIN got replaced by Bonnie Langford? Glad I missed that: I'd STILL be behind the sofa today...

mark s, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Someone's BRAIN got replaced by Bonnie Langford?

No, but that would have been awesome! More sad fannishness:

Sixth Doctor, "Trial of a Timelord". The Doctor gets taken outof time by the Timelords and put on trial for being a general menace to the universe. As it transpires, he was pulled out of time as he was rushing to rescue Peri from having her brain sucked out and replaced with one from a slug-like dictator. Therefore, he wasn't there to save her and she was killed, becoming an evil pod person. The companion who ended up replacing her, Mel, was played by Bonnie Langford.

(At the end of the trial, it's strongly hinted that Peri was actually saved by one of the people fighting the evil slugs and ended up marrying him, which is why I didn't list her amongst the dead.)

Dan Perry, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Speaking of BRANES... how about that Tom Baker episode where they had to go INSIDE THE DOCTOR'S BRANE!!! And it turned out to be just as pompous and overblown as Tom Baker's acting, which is what made the whole episode so brilliant. What was her name... (dammit, alcohol really does cause memory loss!) the cool Survateem warrior chick in the leather outfit... was attacked by a giant mathematical formula which came spinning out of his Left Brain as they crossed the hypothalamus. I mean... that's the sort of thing ONLY the writers of Dr. Who could come up with.

masonic boom, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

That was LEELA, also known as My Long-Lost First Wife.

Dan Perry, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Leela! Right, I knew it. Damn memory loss... she kicked ass, she did! I think that's another of the things that was so cool about Doctor Who. They had powerful female figures (Romana was easily as intelligent, if not moreso than the Doctor, Leela, despite her scanty atire, kicked serious ass) at a time when other science fiction was still treating women as intergalactic dolly birds for one night stands (Star Trek) or damsels in distress needing to be saved by the hero (Star Wars). As Dan points out, even the early annoying "save me" Victorian heroine types were replaced by resourceful, intelligent and strong women.

masonic boom, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

though much of the annoying miltarism of this period was balanced by the fact that Brigadeer "fwah fwah fwah" Leftbridge-Stewart was such a loveable bumbling twit who wanted to blow everything up.

And he had a soft spot for Jo. There's a scene in "The Green Death", at some point after she announces her engagement to Dr Jones, where he glances at her as if to say 'if I were ten...fifteen years younger'. Quite touching really.

David, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Didn't Leela reappear in Tenko, in more or less the same role (Tenko = all-female Burmese deathcamp TV drama w.Burt Kwouk as honourable camp boss under orders to be bastard...)?

The VERY FIRST companion was Susan, who was the doctor's DAUGHTER? No? She was interesting, it being 1963 and therefore pre- pop, let alone pre-Kate Millett: cuz she was SUPER-CLEVER, and the earth-boys were baffled and threatened and intrigued by this. But I don't remember her to look at since (a) B/W episodes never repeated; and (b) her character/look is overlaid by things I much later read in ancient second-hand TV comic-books and by the very repeated film with Bernard fucking Cribbins in it). (BC = cool, just not appropriate to this story...)

But I do remember a scene with her in it, which is poorly revisited in the film, when the white bedford van she is in (driven by a dalek-resistance soldier) is strafed by the giant dalek ship. Cuz where I lived and where my dad worked the staff van was a white bedford van, and when I was in it, I often used to check out that there was enough foliage near enough that I could jump out of the van — as Susan had — and roll to cover into it, shd the dalek ship appear and begin strafing.

That is all. (That is enough...)

An episode of Fireball XL5 gave me the all- time nightmares-for-week spooking, though.

mark s, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I could be really pathetic and list all the companions in order but I think I've scared enough people for one day.

Dan Perry, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

When I was very young, my sister's friend built a K9 out of Constructer Straws and paper which he dragged along behind him on a string pretty much everywhere he went. Accompanying his mother in a supermarket, he encountered none other than ... Tom Baker!

My memory of this is hazy, despite being told this story dozens of times in my youth, but by all accounts he was very nice, askign K9 why he wasn't in the tardis, who his friend was and so on. What a nice chap.

Magnus, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yes: Sylvester [DanWillSupplyName], by contrast, would have stomped the pathetic object to splinters and punched the child in the throat.

mark s, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

McCoy is the name you're looking for.

DG, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

BBC Online is doing some web Doctor who, although unfortunately with Sylvester McCoy.

Best series Genesis of the Daleks, but only cos a friend did it as a one man show. His interpretation of Davros was jumping around in a frying pan, tom Baker was a pan on the head.

tom Baker was the best imho.

Ace was very annoying though, and janet what's her name from Blue peter

Ed Lynch-Bell, Tuesday, 19 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Woah...this entire thread(is that what this is called ?I'm new to this)is a revelation to me I have never been in the closet about being a Dr Who fan ,but its just that I rarely encounter another...nayhow..Susan was the Doctor's(notice the caps!)granddaughter... I could never decide who I preferred Tom Baker or Peter Davison..but without the assistants, gadgets etc. they wouldn't have been much and perhaps thats the appeal compared to the rest of them...Romana II(the blond one ) did alot for me,but Ace has gotta be my favourite companion by far...tho I'm regenerating ahead of myself here...just cos she was so gutsy...when I was a kid at school we'd play Dr Who and I remember throwing gold coins to destroy the cybermen who were after us...and being chased by daleks etc. I'd write more but I've gotta go have a colposcopy....why can't the world be DR WHO????????????????????????????

Sara Lee, Tuesday, 19 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Mark S 's call on Troughton is spot-on. The best by a mile, although I suspect it's because we're of similar vintage. The Yeti on the underground had a scene where a policeman is found inside a phone box, covered in cobwebs with his face set in a mask of terror. I can still see that face. At MOMI's "Behind the Sofa" exhibition (8 or 9 years ago?) they ran a continuous loop of all the Doctors morphing into the next one. It also had bits of all the various versions of the theme tune running as the soundtrack. Mainly subtle tweaks from the Radiophonic boys and girls until a J-M Jarre-esque update in the late 1970's. Robin would no doubt know all the details.

Anyway, Jo (Katy Manning) destroyed and stomped on my pre-adolescent heart by marrying the dull Sgt. Benson in the Pertwee/Unit days. I've never ever recovered, never will and don't want to. A goddess.

Great call on Roger Delgado. A scary mutha in a very English way.

Dr. C, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Roger Delgado died in a car crash in Spain in (I think) 1971-2. I read the story in a tiny item in the Daily mail in my school library. Tho I was in that library EVERY WEEKDAY for three years and tho I always read the paper, this is the only story I recall. This and the (similarly sized) item about Ian Fleming's brother Peter dying!!

mark s, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Dr C: the remake you're thinking of was the work of Peter Howell in 1980, as the RW gave itself what could politely be described as an "80s corporate facelift".

Mark: my school library also always had the Mail. The librarian was a self-described "true blue" Tory, hmmm, what a surprise ...

Robin Carmody, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

To be honest, Robin, I approved: Mail = Peanuts, Express = Rupert the Bear, Mirror = The Perishers.

Taking sides: Peanuts vs The Perishers

mark s, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I KNEW you'd know this, Robin!

Dr.C, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oh, I think the Peter Howell theme is fairly well-known among DW / RW circles (I only fit into the latter, not the former). And nothing divides opinion more: disciples of 80s mainstream production techniques *love* it, but everyone else ...

Robin Carmody, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Leela temporarily reappeared more recently as a phony-Italian with stroppy kids in Albert Square - Rosa DeMarco.

K-reg, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Isn't Leela played by Louise Jameson? Also played Jim Bergerac's estate-agent girlfriend in er, "Bergerac".

Dr. C, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Dr C lowers the tone...

mark s, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I heart Louise Jameson. And Mary Tamm. And Janet Fielding. And Wendy Padbury. And Elisabeth Sladen. And *hangs head* Nicola Bryant.

Did you all see the mid-90's TV movie with Paul McGann and Daphne Ashbrook? Any comments?

Dan Perry, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Was that the one where they invented a new enemy who moved faster than light and had no face? It was lame. The McGanns are the UK Baldwins, except that Canada has (inexplicably) failed to bomb their house yet.

mark s, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

No, that was the Five Doctors, 1983.

Magnus, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Doctor Who = best TV theme music and visual ever. But Blake's 7 the better show. Or maybe not: Blake's 7 was more soap opera than tech based plots (not that I recall a single plot from either, other'n Blake's 7's final: plot = "everyone dies"). Anyhoo, both shows had alien robots made from bits of cardboard. And monsters that looked like random bits from a hardware store glued together: bolts, old circuit boards, couple rubber bands, strips of sandpaper, and a lick of paint. Those rock. (Cf. budget contrast w/ US counterpart Logan's Run.)

AP, Tuesday, 26 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

McGanns = UK Baldwins? FEAR.

There's a great Doctor Who book floating out there called _Interference_ where the Doctor runs into an enemy who completely FUBAR's his past timeline. I love that idea and I'm kind of bummed out that the show never really exploited that aspect of time travel (ill-conceived Valeyard aside).

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 26 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one year passes...
I know it's lovely weather out and all that but surely some of the people who've arrived since June 26th 2001 have an opinion on Doctor Who?

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 12:57 (twenty years ago) link


Grr! (starry), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 13:11 (twenty years ago) link

HSA claims to *HATE* Sci-Fi. Yet, on the basis of Castrovalva, even he had to admit that Dr. Who was pretty darn cool. Hah!

kate, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 13:11 (twenty years ago) link

I still haven't seen that. Sarah when I get a place you must come round and watch some hot Doctor action.

Castrovalva is rubbish though!

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 13:13 (twenty years ago) link

The best record in my mum's record collection is probably her 7" of the original Doctor Who theme.

The VERY FIRST companion was Susan, who was the doctor's DAUGHTER? No? She was interesting, it being 1963 and therefore pre- pop, let alone pre-Kate Millett: cuz she was SUPER-CLEVER, and the earth-boys were baffled and threatened and intrigued by this. But I don't remember her to look at since (a) B/W episodes never repeated

I remember the surviving B/W episodes being shown on UK Gold when UK Gold first started, in the early 90s. I think Susan told everyone that she was the doctor's granddaughter, but this might just have been a ploy to explain why he was her guardian to boring Earth people.

My favourite Doctor Who related thing is probably Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency, a Douglas Adams novel put together from late-70s Doctor Who scripts that were never broadcast. (as was the third Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy book)

caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 13:16 (twenty years ago) link

Castrovalva has 2 fun episodes, 2 boring episodes, a rubbish disguise, Michael Sheard, and a disappointing special effect which probably sounded great in the script. perfect.

Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 13:18 (twenty years ago) link

The grebtest cameo appearance EVER is in CITY OF DEATH (this == my fave Dr Who story I think, apart from FACE OF EVIL) where John Cleese and er.. some bird pop up in the Louvre, analysing the Tardis as a GRATE ARTWORK - someone pls fetch Turner Prize stat!

Exquisite. Simply... exquisite.

Tico - The BRANE OF MORBIUS should only be attempted after a couple of cans of RELAXANT in my opinion cos it is very silly. Also you will be annoyed by the rubbish assistant who falls over a lot. The priestesses are brilliant. But yes I am up for DOCTOR ACTION.

Secret flame! Secret fire!

Sarah (starry), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 13:18 (twenty years ago) link

does that include the missing episodes?

koogs, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 19:04 (one month ago) link

it does, but the number of spinoff episodes (102) roughly equals the number of missing episodes (97) so their figure of "800" is interesting

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 21:25 (one month ago) link

The wording strongly suggests that Confidential and other / new retrospective material is being counted too

vashti funyuns (sic), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 21:27 (one month ago) link

how long before AI is good enough to make all the missing episodes again using the recons?

the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 21:38 (one month ago) link

maybe they can use frog DNA

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 21:40 (one month ago) link

That's how we got Chibnall.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 01:10 (one month ago) link

so anthony coburn's kid is an absolute piece of shit (sadly that's not particularly noteworthy these days) BUT i'm just going to start calling it "the tribe of gums" from now on

Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 17 October 2023 21:00 (one month ago) link

mel was right

Jane Eyre Jordan (Leee), Saturday, 21 October 2023 17:20 (one month ago) link

my god did moffat actually say "the queen should be played by a man"? because _that's_ never happened before. has he really not seen 1992's _orlando_? tilda swinton looks like an elizabethan dominatrix on the cover! it's like the movie was made to appeal to his personal sexual fetishes.

Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 21 October 2023 20:27 (one month ago) link

not entirely sure that your conclusion that Moffat wants to fuck the author of The Old Man Of Lochnagar is supported by his endorsement of the principles of regeneration but I do think selling drawings of it would be a niche concern

vashti funyuns (sic), Sunday, 22 October 2023 03:19 (one month ago) link

Steven and Vicki?????

the new drip king (DJP), Tuesday, 31 October 2023 03:43 (four weeks ago) link

two weeks pass...

RTD has still got it!

This is by far the funniest thing I've seen in relation to all the Davros stuff

— Flight Red 50 (@FlightRed50) November 19, 2023

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 19 November 2023 12:57 (one week ago) link

Suella Braverman attacks for Rishi Sunak for his failure to bring back the old Davros

soref, Sunday, 19 November 2023 13:20 (one week ago) link

i’m perhaps unreasonably stoked for next saturday

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 19 November 2023 16:29 (one week ago) link

Rightly or wrongly the first thing I thought when I saw Julian Bleach in the CiN thing was 'damn he'd make a good Giuliani'.

nashwan, Sunday, 19 November 2023 17:15 (one week ago) link

I am also stoked.

steely flan (suzy), Sunday, 19 November 2023 17:26 (one week ago) link

probly time for an RTD2 thread

vashti funyuns (sic), Sunday, 19 November 2023 19:17 (one week ago) link

i’m quite up for it. unlike chinballs rtd does know how to put a show together, even if i find some of the melodrama a bit ott for my taste. so disappointing that the first female doctor didn’t have a better showrunner.

Fizzles, Sunday, 19 November 2023 19:19 (one week ago) link


Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 19 November 2023 21:53 (one week ago) link

yes plz!

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 19 November 2023 22:12 (one week ago) link

"I watched Barrowman do it and just laughed. HOOT!"

Hello I'm shitty gatsworth (aldo), Sunday, 19 November 2023 22:20 (one week ago) link

Fantastic wink skills here

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 24 November 2023 18:55 (four days ago) link

Fuck me, Stef Coburn is a better friend to Doctor Who than this. Makes Chinballs look like Bob Holmes.

Hello I'm shitty gatsworth (aldo), Saturday, 25 November 2023 19:36 (three days ago) link

koogs, Saturday, 25 November 2023 20:08 (three days ago) link

new-nu-Who: RTD2 (Doctor Who on telly 2023-?)

bae (sic), Saturday, 25 November 2023 21:04 (three days ago) link

Anyone else (who can) tried The Daleks In COLOUR on iPlayer? Barbara's pink shirt is tripping me out.

Also watched for the first time recently: The Aztecs (good esp. considering it's 'just' a history lesson type story), a few Troughton era openers, Spearhead From Space (not so good but wanted to see how indoors Who on film from that time looked) and started Genesis (seen some of before but never in full).

nashwan, Monday, 27 November 2023 22:42 (yesterday) link

I just spotted that Dalek thing today! It's on my list, I've been watching the two surviving episodes of The Wheel in Space.

MaresNest, Monday, 27 November 2023 22:46 (yesterday) link

The Daleks looks lovely but the editing is all over the place, it's easily 15 minutes too short, nearer 25.

And if you hate Murray Gold's music then... intrusive isn't the word.

Hello I'm shitty gatsworth (aldo), Monday, 27 November 2023 23:03 (yesterday) link

I've only dipped in and out, but they seem to have used some very odd sources for the uploads, Reign of Terror for example has a broken audio master that plays like a massively warped record.

I remember when the Blu-ray Spearhead came out, the most Hammer that Who has ever looked.

Hello I'm shitty gatsworth (aldo), Monday, 27 November 2023 23:14 (yesterday) link

The thing I only really picked up on when I rewatched Spearhead this month was that the different look and feel is partly down to film but also very much because it's 100% filmed on location, no studio work at all in there.

Pertwee's has always been the one era I've had near zero awareness of, mostly because "stuck on earth" and "loads of unit/military stuff" have always both been huge turnoffs. But I'm finally working my way through it and finding lots more to enjoy than I expected. I don't particularly like Pertwee himself and a lot of it really is just men with guns chasing each other around grim industrial estates, it sometimes feels more like watching The Sweeney than Doctor Who. But some of the stories really stand up well (Inferno, Mind of Evil especially), and Delgado is just amazing, he hugely lifts every episode he appears in.

JimD, Tuesday, 28 November 2023 13:23 (nine hours ago) link

Parts of Inferno are like watching some of kind of art gallery video installation - it's very intense and strange, especially the sound

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 28 November 2023 15:31 (seven hours ago) link

Cool I will try Inferno, Mind Of Evil and was planning to rewatch The Daemons. Any other Pertwee standouts anyone wants to rep?

nashwan, Tuesday, 28 November 2023 15:47 (seven hours ago) link

God Inferno is so relentless, especially in the later episodes with all the shouting.

MaresNest, Tuesday, 28 November 2023 16:09 (six hours ago) link

My Pertwee faves would be Mind of Evil, Terror of the Autons, The Sea Devils, The Dæmons, The Mutants

MaresNest, Tuesday, 28 November 2023 16:12 (six hours ago) link

The Green Death is fun

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Tuesday, 28 November 2023 16:20 (six hours ago) link

Carnival Of Monsters is the Pertwee that is the best with no earthbound military stuff to worry about

bae (sic), Tuesday, 28 November 2023 17:40 (five hours ago) link

Day of the Daleks is my absolute favourite but it's not for everyone and the pacing is a bit back and forth.

Claws of Axos and Carnival of Monsters are my two faves that I would say are universally appealing.

Hello I'm shitty gatsworth (aldo), Tuesday, 28 November 2023 17:53 (five hours ago) link

there are polls for each season if you search

Doctor Who : Best Episode In Jon Pertwee's 1st Season

koogs, Tuesday, 28 November 2023 17:55 (five hours ago) link

(but I'm not sure they help)

koogs, Tuesday, 28 November 2023 17:58 (five hours ago) link

Carnival has the bonus of Davros’ actor in silver face paint, it’s pretty funny hearing him speak and realising.

assert (matttkkkk), Tuesday, 28 November 2023 19:02 (three hours ago) link

Also for my money the best actor on the show, makes everyone else look like panto.

assert (matttkkkk), Tuesday, 28 November 2023 19:04 (three hours ago) link

Everyone has already mentioned my favorite Pertwee stories but I’ll also call out The Ambassadors of Death and Planet of the Spiders

the new drip king (DJP), Tuesday, 28 November 2023 19:39 (three hours ago) link

My uncle is in Terror of the Autons, he was working as a circus rigger/driver at the tie and plays one of the strongarm blokes that accost the Master

MaresNest, Tuesday, 28 November 2023 20:51 (two hours ago) link

Would say the Time Warrior is pretty top tier Pertwee not yet mentioned (that I can see)

Also quite partial to the Frontier in Space / Planet of the Daleks epic but you definitely need to be in a forgiving mood for some of it

meat and two vdgg (emsworth), Tuesday, 28 November 2023 20:57 (two hours ago) link

Terror of the Autons also has Michael Wisher in neither silver face paint nor Davros makeup.

Hello I'm shitty gatsworth (aldo), Tuesday, 28 November 2023 22:20 (thirty-seven minutes ago) link

idk Time Warrior seemed like a let down

MaresNest, Tuesday, 28 November 2023 22:26 (thirty-one minutes ago) link

(I didn’t mention this but I’m watching in order and I’m only two seasons in, so my favourites are only my favourites so far. Just finished The Colony in Space and that was shit).

Terror of the Autons isn’t great as a story in itself, but as a collection of disturbing visual set pieces it’s amazing.

JimD, Tuesday, 28 November 2023 22:29 (twenty-nine minutes ago) link

I did enjoy Claws of Axos but Jesus, that poor guy having to fall off his bike into the pond in the middle of winter! It looked bloody freezing.

JimD, Tuesday, 28 November 2023 22:31 (twenty-seven minutes ago) link

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