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And please, for the love of god, may that be the end of their sequel adventures for at least a long while. Anyway:

THE GOOD DINOSAUR

U.S. Release Date: May 30, 2014
Director: Bob Peterson
Co-Director: Peter Sohn
Producer: John Walker

What if the cataclysmic asteroid that forever changed life on Earth actually missed the planet completely and giant dinosaurs never became extinct? This hilarious, heartfelt and original tale is directed by Bob Peterson (co-director/writer, "Up;" writer, "Finding Nemo") and produced by John Walker ("The Incredibles," "The Iron Giant").

THE UNTITLED PIXAR MOVIE THAT TAKES YOU INSIDE THE MIND

U.S. Release Date:
Director: Pete Docter
Co-Director: Ronnie del Carmen
Producer: Jonas Rivera

Pixar takes audiences on incredible journeys into extraordinary worlds: from the darkest depths of the ocean to the top of the tepui mountains in South America; from the fictional metropolis of Monstropolis to a futuristic fantasy of outer space. From director Pete Docter ("Up," "Monsters, Inc.") and producer Jonas Rivera ("Up"), the inventive new film will take you to a place that everyone knows, but no one has ever seen: the world inside the human mind.

UNTITLED DÍA DE LOS MUERTOS

Director: Lee Unkrich
Producer: Darla K. Anderson

From director Lee Unkrich and producer Darla K. Anderson, the filmmaking team behind the Academy Award®-winning "Toy Story 3," comes a wholly original Pixar Animation Studios film that delves into the vibrant holiday of Día de los Muertos.

All about that last one in particular. But I hope the second title stays as is.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 29 April 2012 17:27 (eight years ago) link

I'm a gonna be first in line for the Dia de los Muertos movie.

"Fourvel - it's like Fievel, but one less." (R Baez), Sunday, 29 April 2012 17:30 (eight years ago) link

hate loveable dinosaurs

like Joe Pasquale and Gandhi (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 29 April 2012 17:30 (eight years ago) link

What if the cataclysmic asteroid that forever changed life on Earth actually missed the planet completely and giant dinosaurs never became extinct?

already been done, sorry pixar

http://i47.tinypic.com/35kpmkm.jpg

Mad God 40/40 (Z S), Sunday, 29 April 2012 17:31 (eight years ago) link

America needs the wisdom of Herman's Head now more than ever

los blue jeans, Sunday, 29 April 2012 18:01 (eight years ago) link

Guillermo Del Toro is also working on a Dia de los Murtos animation

Number None, Sunday, 29 April 2012 18:13 (eight years ago) link

/Muertos

Number None, Sunday, 29 April 2012 18:13 (eight years ago) link

I've always wanted more inventive animation from inside our bodies after this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2h1jUpqzcc

abcfsk, Sunday, 29 April 2012 18:18 (eight years ago) link

gonna be a sad day when they give that second one an actual name

balls, Sunday, 29 April 2012 19:08 (eight years ago) link

I can only hope the Dia De Los Muertos movie is inspired by Grim Fandango

Nhex, Sunday, 29 April 2012 19:17 (eight years ago) link

but Grim Fandango is perfect as is

Number None, Sunday, 29 April 2012 19:23 (eight years ago) link

John Lasseter has said that the story “takes place inside of a girl’s mind and it is about her emotions as characters, and that is unlike anything you’ve ever seen.”

actually sounds like cranium command from epcot tbh

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Sunday, 29 April 2012 19:27 (eight years ago) link

Apparently Henry Selick is working on a Pixar project as well?

Simon H., Sunday, 29 April 2012 20:58 (eight years ago) link

Yeah I'm all about that, whatever it turns out to be.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 29 April 2012 21:00 (eight years ago) link

It's for Disney, technically

Number None, Sunday, 29 April 2012 21:01 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

Monsters University was thoroughly enjoyable, as good as the first one.

In bad news, I had to sit through another preview of Planes, Disney's Cars spin off. Horrible. but the Disney cartoon before hand (the Blue Umbrella) was sweet.

akm, Monday, 1 July 2013 17:30 (seven years ago) link

four weeks pass...

monsters university was the first movie i took my daughter to, she really liked it and sat through it all and only got antsy at the very end.

hello :) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 31 July 2013 16:38 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t0A_tZGrYw

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:11 (six years ago) link

THE UNTITLED PIXAR MOVIE THAT TAKES YOU INSIDE THE MIND

how's life, Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:18 (six years ago) link

Joy (Amy Poehler), Fear (Bill Hader), Anger (Lewis Black), Disgust (Mindy Kaling), and Sadness (Phyllis Smith)

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:19 (six years ago) link

I don't think I have time for this tbh. Really hope they manage to pull the dinosaur movie back together.

how's life, Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:19 (six years ago) link

Damn, if it was a little boy we could call it HERMAN RISING.

da croupier, Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:20 (six years ago) link

are they still doing a day of the dead movie now that Book of Life got a jump on them?

akm, Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:37 (six years ago) link

seven months pass...

Barely gave that a skim, because I want to be surprised, but weird that they let that review out so early. Or not, given that Pixar has been so shaky lately.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 18 May 2015 14:32 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

I don't think I have time for this tbh. Really hope they manage to pull the dinosaur movie back together.

― how's life, Thursday, October 2, 2014 2:19 PM (8 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Eating my words. This was great. Cried a bunch, and I was not alone in that. Loads of laughs too. Very engaging; the first movie that my youngest kid has sat through without a bathroom break.

I still agree with myself that the idea looks dumb. My family had to pretty much drag me in there. The opening short "Lava" was stultifying.

how's life, Sunday, 21 June 2015 00:35 (five years ago) link

The preview just looks SO bad and explicitly sexist. Can you convince me a little?

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 21 June 2015 05:32 (five years ago) link

The preview bit with the mother and father (that also really turned me off) is not indicative of 95% of the film. I really liked it. Though I wouldn't put it up there with their absolute best material, I still cried like a goddamn baby at a certain point, so I have to say it's very good.

Nhex, Sunday, 21 June 2015 05:37 (five years ago) link

I went back and re-watched all of the trailers right now and they still don't make it look like something I'd want to go see, even though I've seen it and loved it. The movie has a pretty complicated world and the trailers spend more time trying to explain and make sense of it than making it look appealing.

how's life, Sunday, 21 June 2015 09:59 (five years ago) link

this is going to be our first cinema trip since having the baby

kinder, Sunday, 21 June 2015 12:38 (five years ago) link

There are no bears in San Francisco.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 21 June 2015 12:40 (five years ago) link

NYTimes stinger:

“Inside Out” is rated PG (Parental guidance suggested). Young children may be mildly alarmed in places, especially at the sight of their parents weeping through the last 20 minutes.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 21 June 2015 13:06 (five years ago) link

doyy

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Sunday, 21 June 2015 13:50 (five years ago) link

there's no ilx presence at all for big hero 6, how odd

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Sunday, 21 June 2015 13:50 (five years ago) link

I thought it was pretty underwhelming, though it looked great.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 21 June 2015 14:10 (five years ago) link

The short film before the main feature was treacle worthy of enhanced interrogation technique; it looked great though. As for IO, it was rare for a movie -- any movie -- to suggest that happiness and sadness are essential components for a full life.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 21 June 2015 14:32 (five years ago) link

Man, some friends on Facebook yesterday were saying Lava was alright, but then others shared opinions more in line with this thread. It was then that I realized the people who liked it were those with kids who have to watch Dora the Explorer every day.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 21 June 2015 14:35 (five years ago) link

It's the sub-Stephen Merritt ukelele strummer that wrecks the thing. Like I said, conceptually and visually it's a coup.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 21 June 2015 14:36 (five years ago) link

NYTimes stinger: _“Inside Out” is rated PG (Parental guidance suggested). Young children may be mildly alarmed in places, especially at the sight of their parents weeping through the last 20 minutes._

--Josh in Chicago

Completely accurate.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Sunday, 21 June 2015 14:53 (five years ago) link

Only redeeming quality for me was that the islands were ostensibly Hawaiians and were portrayed by Hawaiian voice actors. I'd bet that Kuana Torres Kahele did his own strumming, sub-Stephen Merritt or no.

Interesting that Disney's used Hawaii as a setting before and is apparently doing Hawaii again in the very near future.

how's life, Sunday, 21 June 2015 14:58 (five years ago) link

LOVED this

wisdom be leakin out my louche douche truths (k3vin k.), Sunday, 21 June 2015 14:59 (five years ago) link

Movie was great (my son I think liked it a touch less than his parent's did).

LAVA song totally infectious schmaltz.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Sunday, 21 June 2015 15:58 (five years ago) link

So excited to see this with my girls when the older one comes back from camp.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 21 June 2015 16:04 (five years ago) link

Get ready for the tears

Nhex, Sunday, 21 June 2015 16:32 (five years ago) link

there's no ilx presence at all for big hero 6, how odd
we talked about it a bunch on another Disney thread, can't remember which one though

Nhex, Sunday, 21 June 2015 16:33 (five years ago) link

big hero 6 was okay, just a bit over calculated

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 21 June 2015 17:34 (five years ago) link

AiSF otm about the lava song

wisdom be leakin out my louche douche truths (k3vin k.), Sunday, 21 June 2015 18:14 (five years ago) link

BIG HERO 6 was a big hit with my kid and while it's imminently watchable for adults, I do agree that it's extremely lightweight. Pixar is so far ahead of what anyone else is doing (while okay except for the Fantastic Mr Fox) it's almost unfair to compare.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Sunday, 21 June 2015 23:18 (five years ago) link

i will likely now see this movie due solely to this thread so score one for you
preview is just so so bad

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 21 June 2015 23:34 (five years ago) link

there's no ilx presence at all for big hero 6, how odd

― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Sunday, 21 June 2015 13:50 (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I thought it was pretty underwhelming, though it looked great.

― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 21 June 2015 14:10 (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah. also didn't follow through on any of the flagged endings afaicr

gristly adams (darraghmac), Sunday, 21 June 2015 23:41 (five years ago) link

I enjoyed Soul but wow did they ever lean into the “never show a Black protagonist as a person” trope Disney is famous for

Also, the movie spent so much of its running time making the argument “teaching is for chumps” that the “actually teaching means as much to me as performing” resolution did not feel earned and the end result came across like dude wanted to go back to his life expressly to be content with staring at a wall

Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 14:36 (one week ago) link

both valid points

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:37 (one week ago) link

i don't feel like the movie was arguing that teaching is for chumps

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:58 (one week ago) link

Yeah, maybe I need to watch it again, but I didn't catch that thread at all. DJP's first point 100% otm though.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:59 (one week ago) link

joe believes that, the movie doesn't agree with him

i'm glad the film also resists the easy path of "wait teaching is good and my actual purpose" xp

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:59 (one week ago) link

yeah agree there

k3vin k., Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:02 (one week ago) link

The message was fairly muddled. It seemed like a counter to grass-is-always-greener mentalities. Not exactly saying don't chase your dreams, but perhaps don't let your dreams and ambitions turn into dissatisfaction and alienation from all the good things in your life.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:03 (one week ago) link

Also, achieving that one elusive goal will not instantly transform your life and your fundamental being.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:04 (one week ago) link

Also, achieving that one elusive goal will not instantly transform your life and your fundamental being.


That was my takeaway.

Boring United Methodist Church (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:05 (one week ago) link

moodles i think you summarized the themes of the movie very well, so ... was it truly muddled?????

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:06 (one week ago) link

moodled

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:06 (one week ago) link

In some way it's the opposite of the Randian message of "The Incredibles." Instead of "I am special and unique and that makes me better than others," it's a gentler (and imo more reasonable) "not everyone has to be special and unique and better than others to make life worth living."

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:09 (one week ago) link

moodles so otm

k3vin k., Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:10 (one week ago) link

Muddled because it has to invent a whole elaborate and confusing cosmology and various wacky scenarios to get him to that point, and even then it's not really clear why.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:16 (one week ago) link

Let me rephrase:

The movie spent so much time painting and reinforcing Joe's disillusionment with his life that his final acceptance rang hollow and came across more like "just kidding, we meant THIS all along" rather than feeling like an actual arc of growth or realization, particularly since he never saw 22's connection with his student (whom he dismissed with "oh she always does that" when 22 tried to describe the interaction), he mostly glossed over 22's growing enchantment with life on Earth, ignored all the auditors when they congratulated him on getting 22 to have a spark, mostly ignored 22's anguish at giving up their pass to be born, and seemingly had no idea, purpose, or drive left after not feeling a sea change in the wake of getting his dream gig until an old White dude spinning a sign told him "but hey, you're alive"

Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:17 (one week ago) link

The more I think about this movie, the more I hate it actually.

Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:18 (one week ago) link

hm ok! what felt forced and hollow to you went unnoticed by me

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:19 (one week ago) link

imo joe is inadvertently being a teacher to 22 throughout the movie but ends up learning more from 22 which is yet another stray theme they packed in

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:20 (one week ago) link

Muddled because it has to invent a whole elaborate and confusing cosmology and various wacky scenarios to get him to that point, and even then it's not really clear why.

I think this is what I meant by "loved the human parts, iffy on the rest"

stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:20 (one week ago) link

i do think the afterlife bureaucracy doesn't really make a ton of sense but... this is also fine for me, it's just a theoretical construct lol (which the movie's self-consciousness of i found charming but others may find cheap, and i'd get that)

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:23 (one week ago) link

like i feel like in any version of this scenario there'd be a ton of 22s, they wouldn't be a special case

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:25 (one week ago) link

The afterlife bureaucracy was the best part of the movie, mostly because it wasn't the part where they had Tina Fey playing a Black man.

Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:26 (one week ago) link

Admittedly, I would likely feel differently about a lot of this movie had we not just lived through 2020 and an armed insurrection at the Capitol largely predicated on White people's fear of being supplanted by non-White people

Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:28 (one week ago) link

i def agree that was a choice that could've been avoided xp

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:28 (one week ago) link

and it's not a point i'd disagree with anyone's dislike of this movie on

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:29 (one week ago) link

A stronger movie would have included some discrimination and forced a conversation between Joe and 22 where 22 incredulously asked why Joe was working so hard to get back to Earth in the face of all of this and Joe argues that experiencing the bad parts of life are worth it for how wonderful the good parts are and then both that choice would have been defensible AND the entire movie wouldn't have come across to me like a fable that people shouldn't try to explore and use their talents, particularly Black people.

Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:32 (one week ago) link

afterlife bureaucracy

It's kind of interesting that this is such a reoccurring concept in movies. Defending Your Life, Beetlejuice, Matter of Life and Death, Here Comes Mr Jordan, Kore-eda's After Life ... I know there are plenty of more.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:55 (one week ago) link

Dan, i dunno if you stuck around for the credits, but here's the star heavy and occasionally confusing council of "cultural music and faith based" advisors they worked with to presumably think about some of your concerns:
https://pixar.fandom.com/wiki/Soul_Credits#Cultural.2C_Music_.26_Faith_Based_Advisors

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 17:13 (one week ago) link

Its wonderful to me to see a movie that isn't like, uh, The Wrestler or Whiplash or A Star is Born or all these other terrible toxic artist myths, and is more realistic but still positive about being an artist. (Though I DO still like The Wrestler and Black Swan.)

Admittedly, I would likely feel differently about a lot of this movie had we not just lived through 2020 and an armed insurrection at the Capitol largely predicated on White people's fear of being supplanted by non-White people
Oof... yeah, fair.

moodles i think you summarized the themes of the movie very well, so ... was it truly muddled?????

― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, January 13, 2021 11:06 AM (one hour ago)


In some way it's the opposite of the Randian message of "The Incredibles." Instead of "I am special and unique and that makes me better than others," it's a gentler (and imo more reasonable) "not everyone has to be special and unique and better than others to make life worth living."

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, January 13, 2021 11:09 AM (one hour ago)

yes on both of these

Nhex, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 17:47 (one week ago) link

some interesting thoughts about why Soul (and Coco, which I didn't know!) did well in China
https://musingsonmouse.substack.com/p/movie-equations-souls-win-in-china

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 21 January 2021 20:34 (four days ago) link

another reason?

Soul was one of the most unexpectedly Buddhist films I'd seen in a long time.

― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:15 PM (three weeks ago)

Coco is very Mexican (I mentioned on here it's probably the most Mexican movie I've ever seen) but the way it treats the afterlife in a very non-JudeoChristian manner could be another reason why Coco resonated more in China perhaps.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 21 January 2021 20:38 (four days ago) link

This has been on Netflix for a while and we've put off watching it for reasons that now seem lame... but this was fantastic. Hands down the most unabashedly (capital M) Mexican film I've ever seen from Hollywood. Seems like this stands up to rewatching so we will watch it next time in Spanish (also on Netflix!) Def. echoes of Spirited Away & Mulan (note: Coco is 100000x better than Mulan, which desperately needs a reboot/reimagining). Loved the allegory of the border (replete with bureaucratic red-tape) between the living & the dead as well as the border between memory-conditional legacy/impermanence.

― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, September 30, 2019 11:08 AM (one year ago)

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 21 January 2021 20:39 (four days ago) link

you can discover if you are correct by clicking the link!

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 21 January 2021 20:43 (four days ago) link

(note: Coco is 100000x better than Mulan, which desperately needs a reboot/reimagining)

So, uh, how'd you think this one came out? (note: I only saw about the last ten minutes when my son watched it last month, thought what I saw was slightly better than what I'd expected, but not enough to make me want to start it over)

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 21 January 2021 20:46 (four days ago) link

@forks: nothing in the article addressed any culture considerations.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 21 January 2021 20:46 (four days ago) link

whoops one brief aside:

focuses on cherishing family members, both alive and those who have passed.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 21 January 2021 20:48 (four days ago) link

What changed in-between the first and second week for Coco to soar that much? Word of mouth, good reviews on Chinese sites like Douban Movie, and a cultural connection to the film helped spur it into Pixar’s most successful title ever in China, and Disney’s second most successful animated film behind Zootopia ($236.1 million). The Qingming Festival is one of the most celebrated in China, and focuses on cherishing family members, both alive and those who have passed. Coco’s message, about that exact thing, likely resonated well with Chinese filmgoers, Stanley Rosen, a political science professor at USC’s US-China Institute, told The Wrap in 2017.

which includes this link: https://www.thewrap.com/coco-china-united-states-dia-de-muertos/
China may be thousands of miles away from Mexico, but the film’s embrace of Mexico’s Dia de Muertos and honoring the dead have resonated with Chinese audiences who have similar traditions, said Stanley Rosen, a political science professor at USC’s US-China Institute.

One of China’s biggest holidays is the Qingming (which roughly translates as “tomb-sweeping”) Festival. The Chinese mark it by celebrating family both living and dead: Loved ones travel together to graves to pray and offer food and drink.

“There have been films in the past that Chinese audiences have embraced for their message about family,” said Rosen. “What we’re seeing with ‘Coco’ is similar to what we saw with ‘Dangal,’ which was about the first women wrestlers to compete for India and their father who trained them. That film also had a strong message about putting family first and became a huge hit in China.”

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 21 January 2021 20:49 (four days ago) link

watched this without really knowing what to expect beyond thinking it was going to be something about about jazz and the power of music starring jamie foxx. was definitely not prepared for it to be mostly about the complicated rules of new age afterlife with the black character on the poster voiced by tina fey and jamie foxx voicing a wacky cat sidekick, with music by beloved jazz duo trent reznor and atticus ross

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 21 January 2021 21:05 (four days ago) link

DJP heavily otm here, tbh im kind of shocked this movie isnt getting dragged like crazy for its tone deaf racial stuff (unless it is?)

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 21 January 2021 21:10 (four days ago) link

Here's one review that talks about the issues with the movie:

https://io9.gizmodo.com/soul-feels-like-pixars-first-black-movie-made-with-whit-1845956107

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Thursday, 21 January 2021 21:30 (four days ago) link

Also here:

https://colorwebmag.com/2020/12/28/mo-reviews-soul-disney-pixar/

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Thursday, 21 January 2021 21:37 (four days ago) link

This one is less about the racial aspects and more about the message, which I agree mostly settles on "why bother having dreams":

https://www.newyorker.com/goings-on-about-town/movies/soul

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Thursday, 21 January 2021 21:41 (four days ago) link

with music by beloved jazz duo trent reznor and atticus ross

Doing their ambient thing, but Jon Batiste handling all the jazz.

I thought some of the comments on the gizmodo post provided good food for thought.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 January 2021 21:50 (four days ago) link

yes, i noticed his subordinate credit of "jazz compositions by", right after the "original score" credit for reznor & ross. i guess his jazz compositions werent original enough to get equal credit

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 21 January 2021 22:00 (four days ago) link

imagine hiring a jazz person handle the original score for a jazz movie without the steady hand of two white goth dudes to guide him

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 21 January 2021 22:04 (four days ago) link

Yeah, I don't know how that works. But I guess they can be seen as "original songs" whereas the stuff Nine Inch Nails did was the main score?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 January 2021 22:05 (four days ago) link

Eh, that's semi-expected re: the difference between a movie's score and the songs/soundtrack used within it. Theme/incidental music vs actual full-on songs written for the movie happens all the time, see for example the Moana soundtrack where the first disc is all of Lin-Manuel Miranda's and Opetaia Foa'i's songs and the second disc is all of the connecting instrumental music Mark Mancina wrote.

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Thursday, 21 January 2021 22:12 (four days ago) link

Re: the comments on that Gizmodo piece, I am reading this one and wondering how high this person was before watching the movie:

Joe had to stop being Joe to appreciate his life because he only wanted his life back so he could return to not living it. The transformative nature of him being put into a cat doesn’t remove his blackness because the center of the movie is still a black man’s voice and a black face onscreen almost 100% of the film.

I view it as a dialogue between the interiority of Joe’s blackness in the form of a cat viewing the world disconnected from it and the physicalness and presence of his black body interacting with that world from the perspective of someone who has absolutely no experience with it. Joe gets to filter his own world through his own understanding without being trapped in the person-ness of reacting like Joe.

This paradoxically uplifts and emboldens the black voices AROUND him. When Joe leans back, black men and women in his community talk that much louder and we actually get a movie with MORE black experiences than just the one. We get the specific voiced perspectives of a single black mother, a black barber, a black woman who’s an expert at Jazz, all of these other people expressing themselves and explaining themselves as black people rather than just riding along with one man imposing himself on the narrative single-mindedly with nothing to play off of. If Joe KNEW what he had to know without learning, then he’d possibly fall into the black mentor trope instead of being the one who needs to grow and experience an arc.

And at that point Soul becomes a movie about BLACK COMMUNITY instead of simply middle-aged black maleness. The idea that the movie can only progress and grow by Joe learning from even more experienced and diverse black voices than his own is something I found really precious and valuable as a black audience member.

And I think one thing missed in a lot of reviews is what 22's role actually is. She’s not just an obnoxious kid who doesn’t like to learn even though she has the smartest people. She’s specifically a kid stuck in the education system that inner-city children are most susceptible to — rote learning and recitation with no experience or exposure. The experiencing and participating is something schools are paring down and throwing away.

It’s not subtle that Joe is specifically a music teacher at a time when schools in his neighborhood are likely experiencing cuts to music classes and extra-curriculars. He’s a man with a huge opportunity who doesn’t realize how much he contributes to that world and how hard these kids are struggling and how much they need him. And Joe is also a black music teacher trying to explain why music is good to someone who can only THINK about music but can’t actually feel music like a human being through real experience.

This felt really rewarding in a way. It’s probably the first Pixar movie in a long time I felt actually GOT its material and knew what it was trying to say. And it did it patiently and thoughtfully in a way I really enjoyed.

This would have been a fantastic reading of the movie had Joe the Cat actually spent like one iota of time listening to and learning from his black community. All of the lessons this person is ascribing to his growth were given to 22; it's explicitly how they developed their spark.

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Thursday, 21 January 2021 22:21 (four days ago) link

i dunno, that comment seems on point to me! Joe (slowly) figures it out by the end

Nhex, Friday, 22 January 2021 02:46 (three days ago) link

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/pixars-troubled-soul

(copy the URL and paste this to the end of it if you want to annoy sic: ?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=onsite-share&utm_brand=the-new-yorker&utm_social-type=earned&fbclid=IwAR0ondKr-iZh840L7Z--kNoqfvJGw2ZTlrPz5sJzJrMxH6uBlC9Lm44IqhA )

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Monday, 25 January 2021 14:54 (one hour ago) link


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