A thread for Armando Iannucci's VEEP

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Do we think this is going to be good? I'm sort of interested.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 21 April 2012 01:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm pretty excited! I've seen a bunch of good early hype and trailer looks lolz

Mordy, Saturday, 21 April 2012 01:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, same. I'm intrigued by this and by the one with Jeff Daniels they keep showing previews for.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 21 April 2012 01:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

also, i've been craving a sharp, vulgar, + irreverent political sitcom

Mordy, Saturday, 21 April 2012 01:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ianucci. Not sure Americans can swear quite like this though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk75R9uTMmo

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Saturday, 21 April 2012 01:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

It's true , I was worried when I heard there would be Americans involved in this, they always seem to ruin things

Acute puppy syndrome (admrl), Saturday, 21 April 2012 01:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Afternoon, ladies. I heard there were sandwiches and I'm a fucker for cress. No, no, no, please don't get up - I'm not Viagra. Geoffrey, good to see you. John, how are you doing? I just wanted to tell you I really enjoyed your novel ... way of writing a fucking awful story."

jed_, Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

he's written some great american characters like Linton Barwick

Mordy, Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

also thought anna chlumsky (My Girl!) was really good in the movie and she's gonna be in this

Mordy, Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

Haha a fucker for cress. I bet Veep won't have anything close to that. Also THick Of It>>>>In The Loop, right?

Acute puppy syndrome (admrl), Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

Jamie otm

aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

When will it be possible to acquire the first episode?

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

tmmrw night i think

Mordy, Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

Sunday Night.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

right, that's what i meant

Mordy, Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol, i thought it was saturday already

Mordy, Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

Thanks. Monday torrent viewings looking very nice for the next few months then; this, GoT and Mad Men.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

there's a pretty bustling thread about another HBO sitcom happening on sundays

Mordy, Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

The recently completed Eastbound? Or am I missing something?

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

GIRLS

Acute puppy syndrome (admrl), Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

the infection spreads

Mordy, Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

Never heard of it, but damn that's a long thread.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

THick Of It>>>>In The Loop, right?

Yes, but I thought the americans had the funniest parts of In The Loop, so I'm optimistic.

abcfsk, Saturday, 21 April 2012 07:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

i saw the first three episodes of this, it's very good

max, Saturday, 21 April 2012 13:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's not as good as the thick of it, mostly because there's no hilarious sweary malcolm tucker character, but i loled several times

max, Saturday, 21 April 2012 13:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm looking forward to this, especially if it doesn't prove another example of a gifted satirist who sets his eyes on America but quickly reveals he knows little about this country.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 21 April 2012 14:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah now that you mention it, I'm glad there was a thread for this before one for The Dictator.

Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 21 April 2012 14:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

I didn't realize the Thick of it Connection. I just liked the look of a trailer but now I realize that I probably should watch that movie. I'd forgotten about it after the comedy poll.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 21 April 2012 16:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

Not quite In The Loop funny, but it was pretty good. I don't know if it would be possible to have two characters as funny as Malcolm Tucker and the eff-star-star-cunt American from ITL.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 23 April 2012 04:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

Some thudding moments here and there, but this was pretty funny overall.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 04:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

Julia Louis-Dreyfus is great, as are Anna Chlumsky and the slimeball. The press secretary and her body man could wear thin.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 23 April 2012 04:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

this seemed sort of ... off. it's an interesting decision to have the passive-aggressive dweeb kid instead of a malcolm tucker figure but ... i dunno

thomp, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 02:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

maybe in three or four episodes i will stop automatically comparing it to the thick of it, and then i will also stop automatically trying to make the differences be emblematic of differences in national character

max

i. do they keep up the 'did the president call?' 'no' 'no' and the 'did you know i have my own flag' bits
ii. do they get funny and how many repetitions does it take for them to get funny

thomp, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 02:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

would honestly stick w/ this just for tony hale & matt walsh but i was ok w/ those 'jokes'

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 02:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah, i laughed. i'll watch until they cancel it.

Mordy, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 02:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

no i mean i honestly believe, given time, those 'jokes' will become funny

thomp, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 02:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

this is fine, it's not remotely as good as the early thick of it but it's doubtful anything else is going to be, certainly within the pro forma confines of the american sitcom

The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 02:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

felt very "ooh, handheld cameras, gratuitous cursing, big fuckin deal" to me, but still pretty funny and a good cast, will watch again

Poor Turrican (some dude), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 02:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol well in 2k12 those things are pretty commonplace no?

The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 02:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

feel like american sitcom is a more expansive genre than british sitcom -- one of the weird things about the thick of it is that it is an absolutely classical version of standard british sitcom setup, only it somehow escapes being awful

xpost ha yeah i don't really notice those things at this point?

thomp, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 02:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

well yeah that's what i meant, the look/feel of it is kind of played imo

Poor Turrican (some dude), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 02:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

that's an unplayable aesthetic

The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 02:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think it needs time to develop side characters. People like Blinky Ben, etc...

There's also a different dynamic from The Thick of It. Everyone listened to/was scared of Malcolm, and the politicians tended to need to be shepherded around. JLD seems to have all the agency in Veep, where everyone else is just scrambling to fix her mistakes or get her what she wants.

Also the US doesn't have an equivalent of the civil servant, so we don't get a Terri.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

you guys realize this isn't an adaptation, right, it's a different show by the same creator

Poor Turrican (some dude), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

original title was "The Veep of It" iirc

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

the thick of eep

Poor Turrican (some dude), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

In the Veep

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

ah, british humour.

Mordy, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

some dude is british?

The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

it was!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 15:30 (one week ago) Permalink

as tiresome as I sometimes found Congressman Furlong and Will, the “I like jizz” line in the coda was amazing

― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, May 14, 2019 9:58 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Lol “He just ain’t what he used to be”

This was an excellent finale. I thought that the only way this show could do the horror and absurdity of our current moment any justice would be to make Jonah president but the way it actually played out was great and true to the characters.

Tom Hanks bit at the end was the perfect capstone.

Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 18:11 (one week ago) Permalink

Also loved that Mike McClintock apparently ended up having an extremely long tenure at CBS

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 18:44 (one week ago) Permalink

I had avoided checking this thread lately but now that I have finished watching the whole final season I must say I'm very surprised by the good reviews here.
I thought the whole season was a mess and worst of all, not very funny and very forced (until the final episode, mostly).
And I have loved this show from the start... Maybe I missed something ?

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 17 May 2019 10:47 (one week ago) Permalink

The Gary issue at the convention and final was great though.

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 17 May 2019 10:51 (one week ago) Permalink

I didn't buy Amy's turn, but I thought the rest of the season did a really good job completing Selina's transformation from desperation to by-all-means-necessary dangerous, even past the broad limits of her cynical team. This was also the first season to reflect directly current US politics, which it blazed through and past quickly, but in some ways that made the insanity resonate even more for me.

Says something that Richard and Mike fail up so impressively.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 May 2019 12:02 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah it gets very dark (and even moving eventually, who'd thought THIS show would !) but I don't know, most of the season wasn't funny for me.

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 17 May 2019 12:21 (one week ago) Permalink

“Do you think all great leaders are just sociopaths living a lie?”

this is a line from this week’s SUPERSTORE but it probably sums up VEEP

maura, Friday, 17 May 2019 12:24 (one week ago) Permalink

This was an excellent finale. I thought that the only way this show could do the horror and absurdity of our current moment any justice would be to make Jonah president but the way it actually played out was great and true to the characters.

i think part of the point the show was making is that selina is only marginally better than jonah--she did un-free tibet and end gay marriage, after all.

i think ur a controp (voodoo chili), Friday, 17 May 2019 12:38 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah I liked that everyone was predicting either splett or Jonah as the inevitable victor, and they ended up doing both and neither with the actual outcome of this election even more depressing

The post Iannucci seasons aren’t the best but I thought this was a really strong finish with a lot of enjoyably daft fan service at the end. Kent’s “fuck the numbers” outburst, like glen’s at the end of the thick of it, shows the hollowness of soulless politicos having their deathbed network moment

milkshake chuk (wins), Friday, 17 May 2019 12:49 (one week ago) Permalink

I greatly enjoyed the last season but ... the show's natural ending was the end of season 5.

zama roma ding dong (Eric H.), Friday, 17 May 2019 12:53 (one week ago) Permalink

The only issue I really had with the season was that Jonah's character seemed suddenly a lot more puerile than the eariier seasons. But I haven't seen those in a while.

Yerac, Friday, 17 May 2019 13:15 (one week ago) Permalink

xpost she permanently banned gay marriage!

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 May 2019 13:23 (one week ago) Permalink

That's like double secret probation.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 May 2019 13:23 (one week ago) Permalink

The only issue I really had with the season was that Jonah's character seemed suddenly a lot more puerile than the eariier seasons. But I haven't seen those in a while.


as someone who’s closely watched flawed people descend into minor celebrity because of their worst traits it made perfect sense

maura, Friday, 17 May 2019 13:28 (one week ago) Permalink

Was he that stupid in the first seasons? I always thought of him as the outsider/thirstier version of Dan.

Yerac, Friday, 17 May 2019 13:34 (one week ago) Permalink

Jonah was always stupid. He got stupider, but strategically.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 May 2019 13:36 (one week ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6zB4VJznEU

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 May 2019 13:37 (one week ago) Permalink

But yeah, he (and Mike) got ridiculous, in the best way, like they were some combination of stoned (in Mike's case) or brain-damaged (in Jonah's).

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 May 2019 13:40 (one week ago) Permalink

I’m kinda tempted to change my iPhone text notification sound to Peter MacNicol hissing “shut the duck up!”

i think ur a controp (voodoo chili), Friday, 17 May 2019 13:49 (one week ago) Permalink

They definitely adapted mike’s character as they went along, I remember the iteration of him in the pilot being a loser but quite sharp-witted?

milkshake chuk (wins), Friday, 17 May 2019 13:50 (one week ago) Permalink

Stupid phone lol

i think ur a controp (voodoo chili), Friday, 17 May 2019 13:50 (one week ago) Permalink

Gary is bad tbh (character and performance) this is consistent

― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Sunday, 2 July 2017 18:28 (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah gary this season didn't feel right. they really tried to play up the angle of him being in love with selina, where it was never really about that previously. some weird nod to his arrested development character maybe

plus i know it's always been a bombardment of gags but it felt muddled and almost exhausting at times, so much dialogue done so quickly, im sure i missed a shit ton of jokes.

― NI, Sunday, 2 July 2017 19:11 (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I meant Gary was always bad - bad idea - they shouldn't have done it

― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Sunday, 2 July 2017 19:21 (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

we've all seen a Smithers before this was just terribly conceived and executed from the beginning

― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Sunday, 2 July 2017 19:23 (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I still hold this opinion tbh, found the whole approach to this character really annoying and forced pretty much start to finish and would not have minded his being written out in like s2. The betrayal was nicely done tho

milkshake chuk (wins), Friday, 17 May 2019 14:07 (one week ago) Permalink

Agree. I get why Gary was there, and it did give the finale its biggest payoff, but I always found him hard to watch.

zama roma ding dong (Eric H.), Friday, 17 May 2019 14:13 (one week ago) Permalink

They definitely adapted mike’s character as they went along, I remember the iteration of him in the pilot being a loser but quite sharp-witted?

― milkshake chuk (wins), Friday, May 17, 2019 8:50 AM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah mike's change was noticeable. he was always incompetent, but less of a buffoon in the earlier seasons. he was a lot meaner in the beginning, but his softening i think can be explained by his getting married and adopting (several) kids.

i think ur a controp (voodoo chili), Friday, 17 May 2019 14:15 (one week ago) Permalink

Really ? I find him and his relationship with Selina pretty fun throughout the series.
As for Jonah, yeah, he was pretty OTT stupid since the beginning... it just got worse, as impossible as that may seem.
At one point during this season, I was afraid Dan might become serious/nice regarding Amy... thankfully he didn't !

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 17 May 2019 14:16 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah, Mike, especially with the wife/adopting kids issues might be the character I find the most annoying.

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 17 May 2019 14:17 (one week ago) Permalink

xpost
I was talking about Gary/Selina.

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 17 May 2019 14:17 (one week ago) Permalink

I like the broad, wacky cartoon characters (Jonah, splett, mcnicol) but even in comparison to those something about the physicality of the guy who plays Gary is really jarring to me and rubs me up the wrong way. I always hated the gag of him leaning in and murmuring something in selina’s ear that everyone else can clearly hear, and that was pretty much the only gag for a long time.

milkshake chuk (wins), Friday, 17 May 2019 14:19 (one week ago) Permalink

We all know a Mike in our workplace, which might explain his particular strain of annoyance.

zama roma ding dong (Eric H.), Friday, 17 May 2019 14:20 (one week ago) Permalink

I love Gary. You all are bonkers.

Yerac, Friday, 17 May 2019 14:23 (one week ago) Permalink

“Hard to watch” is a good phrase for how I feel, he bugs me on like a visceral level

milkshake chuk (wins), Friday, 17 May 2019 14:24 (one week ago) Permalink

I like Tony Hale ("guy who plays Gary") too.

I always hated the gag of him leaning in and murmuring something in selina’s ear that everyone else can clearly hear

I mean yeah, but obv the audience needs to hear what he's saying, I can suspend my disbelief for that.

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 17 May 2019 14:41 (one week ago) Permalink

in my brain it was like nobody could hear him because he was so bland that you needed to "attune" to him like some sort of magic sword, otherwise his voice sounded like camo

deus ex majima (Will M.), Friday, 17 May 2019 14:51 (one week ago) Permalink

Finally watched the finale last night btw. I did like for a show that's as loud and verbal as this, it was all about that silence when she's left alone in the oval office for a moment.

I don't know if this season was particularly 'funny' but it did get a lot better as the nihilism and political capriciousness kept ratcheting up.

xp lol

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 17 May 2019 14:52 (one week ago) Permalink

I didn’t hate the gag due to plausibility issues to be clear, it’s just clunky and unfunny and sticks out in a show that generally isn’t

milkshake chuk (wins), Friday, 17 May 2019 15:03 (one week ago) Permalink

ANNETTE SPLETT.

Matt DC, Friday, 17 May 2019 15:05 (one week ago) Permalink

Honestly this felt like an uncharacteristically optimistic ending for one of the most cynical shows ever. (Except the gay marriage bit obviously).

Matt DC, Friday, 17 May 2019 15:06 (one week ago) Permalink

And Tibet !

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 17 May 2019 15:48 (one week ago) Permalink

I thought even Minna wasn’t as funny as usual (still funny though) !

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 17 May 2019 15:52 (one week ago) Permalink

I didn't realize I had been missing Sue until the last epi.

Yerac, Friday, 17 May 2019 16:13 (one week ago) Permalink

yes, sue is the greatest

i think ur a controp (voodoo chili), Friday, 17 May 2019 16:24 (one week ago) Permalink

Oh yeah Sue ! What happened to her again ?

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 17 May 2019 19:18 (one week ago) Permalink

she's the secretary to the president, and selina stopped being president, so she wasn't on the show anymore.

i think ur a controp (voodoo chili), Friday, 17 May 2019 19:21 (one week ago) Permalink

Oh yeah right, thanks !

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 17 May 2019 19:23 (one week ago) Permalink

She’s arguably the only NORMAL person in there.

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 17 May 2019 19:24 (one week ago) Permalink

Poor Gary
When you listen to rumour you 'rue' 'more'...

kinder, Sunday, 19 May 2019 19:07 (five days ago) Permalink

Some articles have pointed out that the Tom Hanks thing in the last episode is a callback to a joke in the first episode, where Mike wonders if a big news story like Tom Hanks dying might be a good distraction from a Selina gaffe. Also, I love that they used a movie excerpt from "The Money Pit" (alongside "A League of Their Own" "Forrest Gump") in the tribute..."Bachelor Party" would have been too ridiculous.

Someone mentioned the Michael Corleone vibe, with which I totally agree. It also reminded me of the devastating ending of "The Grifters."

I'm rewatching the last season, and a few things earlier in the season are made apparent after knowing what happens in the finale:
* Selina makes a list of all the people she doesn't want to be at her funeral, and they ALL end up attending.
* Selina selling Gary out is foreshadowed:
Minna: Selina, if you go to prison, you will not have your Gary to clean up after you.
Gary: No, I'll be there.

The whole finale was pretty solid, but in particular I loved:
* When both Kent and Marjorie break their stone-faces and lose their shit on separate occasions over Jonah being the VP pick

* "No such place, ma'am. The concept of hell is a cultural memory of pre-Mosaic child sacrifice among proto-Judean peoples." And Kent mentioning Euler's number! (And of course, pronouncing "Euler" correctly.)

* "They say experience is the best teacher, and although my own daughter never learned to ride well..."

ernestp, Sunday, 19 May 2019 22:34 (five days ago) Permalink

I haven’t been funny since 1986

shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Monday, 20 May 2019 08:02 (four days ago) Permalink

So Iannucci is doing Veep in space starring Tom James M.D.?

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 18:44 (three days ago) Permalink


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