neon genesis evangelion

Here instead of using the feedback of their consumers and giving them the escapism fantasy they came to expect, the narration works on the fears of an antisocial guy and confront him to the other.

The "reality check" was recieved as a bravade by both fans and the industry! (But somehow I think it doesn't matter since the importance of Eva is now undisputed.)

The author being a Ûber-Otaku himself made his point eaven more twisted, isn'it?

They made a considerable research for this project; loads of references to theology, wwII, post wwII pop culture and it's avant-garde, history of anime etc so it makes it extra-fun for fans to talk about it and share interpretations. The 2 last episodes are fantastic, like a metaphysic of the anime. ANNO HIDEAKI rules! anyone've seen his latest stuff?

Also, the animation in that movie was probably the best stuff I've seen outside of, say, Fantasia.

The End of Envanglion was created later after the series became a huge success and they had funds to do a proper ending with mecha battles and so forth.

The creator of the series was battling depression at the time, which explains alot. He also admitted that the Christian/Kabalah references were just window dressing and didn't have any real bearing on the plot, which pissed me off (I guess its too much too expect the Japanese to have weird insights into Western Theology). Like a lot of anime, its not as deep as it first appears, just incomprehensible and filled with non-sequitors.

I think FLCL toppped NGE's animation.

i enjoyed it when i was about 12-14. i'd probably like to see it again sometime, but i'm in no rush. (this includes the end of evangelion movie et al. which i might be more into if this girl lauren didn't steal it from me. bitch.)

i have been watching this stoned as part of my post-breakup/summer regimen of weed & movies that alienate my roommates and its fucking terrific. why does the music suck so much, though? i was hoping for some crazy akira-style chanting/drums. still. giant robots + pseduo-gnostic theology = bonerville

+ babes, too

ha, I've been watching this too.

I loved this series the first time through but when I tried to rewatch it, I couldn't tolerate Shinji's whining. I only got through a few episodes before I was muttering, "Shutupshutupshutupshutupshutup," uncontrollably.

Maybe it had something to do with having seen the ending. The end of the movie is a total cop-out, right? I don't want to give anything away (and I don't recall many details anyway) but I remember feeling ripped off.

the english dubbing is terrible as usual

Yeah, I think I watched the dubbed version. Stupid, whiny Shinji voice...

I couldn't finish watching this on TV because of him, had to buy the DVDs and see it subbed.

This is the man responsible:
http://ia.ec.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/89/58/29m.jpg

Also, I think Asuka is awesomely bitchy in Japanese, but just annoyingly bitchy in English.

hmm, did the pic not post?
this guy:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0818111/

Huh, Asuka's voice was the only one I liked better in English than Japanese.

Something about it, just more affecting...

I've heard people say that. Couldn't take it.

Asuka's accent in the dubbed version is so weird.

for me, it doesn't work without the english dubbing. only because i saw it all first as the dubbed version.

the penguin annoys me too

I haven't seen this but I have been led to suspect it might be the second-best thing ever, by this... intriguing version of Gangster's Paradise:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP9DKGhUiaY

(which is obviously the first-best thing ever)

why does the music suck so much, though?

haha that fly me to the moon cover omg

@ one point in my lyfe i really thought this was the most wonderful thing imaginable. rewatching now ive got a new appreciation for mitsuru erm mitsato

lmao ya me 2 (that point in my lyfe being when i was 14 - perfect age for it really, since at no other point in ure life will that particular brand of narcissistic doom-angst resonate so distinctly)

imo it's best interpreted as an extremely hateful sequel to otaku no video - the whole thing boils over with anno's rage & disgust w/himself and w/his audience, which in turn casts a darkly funny light on the show's legacy, tho otoh i have recently come to understand that GAINAX is doing a series of evangelion movies w/the promise that it will retell the story in a more conventional and straightforward fashion, to make it accessible for a broader audience - i guess that says something about where anno's at in his life now (i know he got married a few years ago), or maybe it just means he has nothing better to do than remake gunbuster for the 93rd time

the scene from end of evangelion where asuka is eaten alive still gives me, like, emotions btw ;_;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMEjWP-CGbc

just watched the first two episodes and there are some moments of true beauty - the cut from shinji seemingly losing his battle with the angel to a blindingly white hospital bed and the "unfamiliar ceilings" title card is wonderful~~~ and the show has some of the best sound fx in any anime from the bestial groans of the eva in battle to all that perfectly calibrated silence

yah i watched it 1st when i was 13 and i really got sucked in to the alternating ~coolness~ (lol the shadowy cabal meets in a nite black room with glowing neon thrones) and ~heaviness~ of the angst and the alienation amidst this wonderful futurescape. but i think its still "good" or w/e maybe more nuanced than im giving credit for

the whole thing boils over with anno's rage & disgust w/himself and w/his audience, which in turn casts a darkly funny light on the show's legacy

even two episodes in every characters desperation to connect w/another human being is pretty fukken tragic but the amount of self-loathing that shinji feels is pretty lol considering hes the obv audience surrogate

also cankles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebuild_of_Evangelion

the show has some of the best sound fx in any anime from the bestial groans of the eva in battle to all that perfectly calibrated silence

otm i always loved the way they would isolate the cicadas in quiet outdoor scenes

idk if it's good or nuanced but as someone who basically hates anime i appreciate eva for being so mean and hateful. it was the most influential anime of the decade, but everything it influenced took the 'wrong' cues from it - all the crap with the conspiracies and retarded plucked-from-a-hat religious shit was just window dressing for the 26-episode therapy session of one rageful manchild. that's probably why i liked the movie better than the series, which had a lot of bland monster-of-the-week filler episodes (tho i liked the show's ending fine), stuff like the scene where shinji jerks off over asuka's coma-titties has no room for extra interpretation.

haha from here it seems like the most influential anime of the 90s was dragon ball but i def agree with everything else ur saying. eva was unique in how bleak and vicious it could be - watching the sub versions the dude who voices shinji's dad is so menacing and hateful its pretty great.

i guess id just add that eva still feels a lot more "artful" than most anime. its beautifully drawn and we talked about the sound but the editing is fukken aces and it less idk static or flat than a lot of cartoons imo. also i do think theres some nuance - its mostly pretty emo and yah "rageful" is really good word for it - but small moments like shinji sobbing in the cockpit of his eva after the 2nd battle in front of the dude that just knocked him out - there are some slivers of a more grown up empathy and distance in there

retarded plucked-from-a-hat religious shit

lol deathnote

lol all anime

haha, this show will always have a special place in my heart, seriously

dragonball couldve been the most influential in america but as far as influencing other anime eva takes the cake. idk a lot of that was pretty by-the-book giant robot melodrama stuff - crying in a robot (the new 'crying in the club') is definitely well-worn territory imo. the 'moments of true beauty' u mentioned earlier were only there for budgetary reasons, ie. it's a tv production so there's lots of panning across still frames and backgrounds, which is why gendo spends half the series with his mouth covered. maybe the fact that eva gave license to every anime that followed it to also be 'artful' and pretentious makes me distrusting of those qualities in eva itself.

also ya lmbo anime imo

'starscream ascendant', chapter 9 - transformers fanfic community — this is the only google result for 'crying in a robot'

haha yah it wasnt that shinji crying in da robot was new ground but that the way it was shot and cut and the perspective of the two classmates (lol even drawn the O_O looks on their faces is a+) made it seem more, i guess, than the typical emo pity party thing. idk i thought it was pretty effective @ showing how alienated and ashamed the dude was - even if being alienated and ashamed is kinda de rigeur~~~

sometimes the "artful" stuff is pretentious lol the shot of a lone tennis ball in the rain but i think it works, generally. meh ive been liking it so far what can i say?

it works.

i will say, the way the kaji-misato relationship was handled always struck me as really 'adult' i guess

we are all so lonely €~€~€~€

the scene from end of evangelion where asuka is eaten alive still gives me, like, emotions btw ;_;

haha just watched the movie and this, basic. the whole thing is pretty fucked up and meandering and tenuous but that scene and ikari just choking the fuck out of asuka @ one point ~feelings bro~

flcl on tapppp i think

flcl was awesome

i don't know what you mean by "on tappppp" though

no 1 understands me. [do they?] no 1 cares about me. [do they?] i'm useless. [are u?]

no; possibly; maybe

when u read that u shouldve pictured a bunch of squiggly kanji and stills from some of my past ilx posts btw

that's pretty much the spirit in which i always read ur posts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwj9SeKlvx0

it must cost a small fortune to license "fly me to the moon"

well, I'm not exactly proud, but I grabbed one too.

no "fly me to the moon" gave me serious pause tho. but I still my busted bootleg dvd set from 2000 or so for that, I suppose.

for $275, no fly me to the moon = no sale. maybe the inevitable cheaper version later.

finally watching 3.0+1.0 tomorrow, rewatching the first three movies today

anyone wanna know how worried i am that the “classic dub and sub” are just the sd platinum edition ported to blu rays

i will be so mad if they got me to spend $300 on a translation i don’t like and a release of the show i already own

oh man don’t say things like this, i still haven’t even made my peace with “no fly me to the moon”

what do they even play instead btw? is it like how married with children just has generic muzak for the theme now?

assuming they'll sub in some other bgm

i literally cannot remember what netflix did

they should just use the same public domain married with children muzak whenever this problem arises

From what I heard they just subbed in Rei's theme. Did they end up having to cut this from the end of Episode 15 too? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hpVoj2skvo

Also salty that these songs ARE on the JP streaming version so it seems like a money thing

the only legitimate version of the original is one you downloaded on a 56k modem

i have probably criticized 2.0 upthread bc of the uptick in fan service and harem anime tropes but the fight sequences are just tremendous

also the scene where touji does not get picked to be an eva pilot is so funny

3.0 still the best movie ever made

how do i hire kaworu nagisa as my therapist

found 3.0+1.0 aka “emotionally healthy end of evangelion” profoundly moving

Aus & NZ boxset details finally up, 500 copies at $519 from Sept 1st
https://www.madmanfilms.com.au/evangelion/

also Scotland Loves Anime details are up, includes a screening of End Of Evangelion at Edinburgh Filmhouse
https://www.lovesanimation.com/film/end-of-evangelion

lol, they're just straight-up trolling. $175 for collectors edition, and $45 for standard, and the biggest difference I see between the two is that the standard edition doesn't have the classic dub and subtitles.

i canceled my ultimate edition bc i felt i was getting fleeced (and also couldn't afford it and really needed the money)

also i feel like the message of 3.0+1.0 is that evangelion is dead and i shouldn't spend $300 on something i own twice

$175 for collectors edition, and $45 for standard, and the biggest difference I see between the two is that the standard edition doesn't have the classic dub and subtitles.

feel like this bonus feature may or must be coming at a great expense for gkids but idk

it's like six additional discs too

I watched half of 3.0+1.0 last night and loved it and cannot wait to finish it tonight

All soundtracked by the world's corniest piano suicide ballad which gradually morphs, apparently without anybody involved noticing that this is an odd thing to do, into an "All You Need Is Love" type singalong complete with "A Day In The Life" strings. This from a show that begins with giant robot fights and wacky hijinks revolving around a warm-water penguin.

― Doctor Casino, Saturday, October 20, 2012 1:34 AM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark

iirc its called Komm Susser Todd and is a blatant Hey Jude rip as well

― turds (Hungry4Ass), Saturday, October 20, 2012 2:07 AM bookmarkflaglink

i've concluded tonight that it's also borrowing something from "Questions 67 and 68" by Chicago. there's a section in the middle with this piano banging out the chords at such-and-such tempo and it really reminds me of the "tumbling down" section.

also just listened to that N64 MIDI rendition again, lolllll. when the chorus voice comes in!

oh my god that fucking MIDI rendition

watched this in a few settings earlier this week. my letterboxd review:

wonderfully bizarre in both structure and content. the first 15 and the last 90 minutes of this comprise a visually overwhelming feature length version of the concluding section of 2001, overlaid with an exhausting onslaught of deliberately impenetrable and meaningless lore. the goal: convince the protagonist, and the audience, that they don't need any of it to be happy. but we get there on our own anyway, through the middle section's oasis of the everyday. seems like a nice place. congratulations!

wish American big-budget blockbusters could take more swings at being nigh-incomprehensible visual art projects with hearts of gold. as a "conclusion" to a "story" this is nigh unwatchable, but let's face it, that train left the station at least two movies back, and really we've been in this other kind of giant robot anime since the last two episodes of the original TV show. i'm still not convinced any of this was necessary... but nor are any big "franchise" "reboots," and just imagine if anybody involved in any of those was interested in doing anything other than filling the screen with familiar images to boost the market value of the underlying intellectual property?

also: i've seen a lot of people complaining about the animation. i thought it looked great? like, yeah, the designs are impossible to take in and the action is impossible to follow (especially when set in an alternate dimension with no ground or other reference points). but it's not like this was going for being a great, grounded action movie. the maximalism of all the stupid new Evas and ships is the point, right? wish i'd seen it on a big screen, with mind set in the proper state to just be blown away by the delirium.

the animation throughout the rebuilds is beautiful especially the cgi

ppl bring a lot of baggage to like the whole concept of animation-with-integrated-cg, so even when they're seeing something clearly intended to be unreally/surreally gorgeous and overwhelming they feel like they're being cheated? idk that's my only explanation for it

yeah i think it's just baggage people bring over from tv anime where cg is more often used as a compromise than as a choice, due to tight deadlines and a shortage of 2d animators. if it's being used in a high profile film with a 7 year gestation then there's probably more intentionality to it

totally. and i mean, my standard here is the original TV series. which cut costs in various ways, but clearly threw a lot of budget into backgrounds, several seconds of incredible animated action per episode, and incredible design work all throughout. (and then well, episodes 25-26...). it's a great looking show overall. and this mostly looks better than that.

the most striking departure really from the original series is the pacing. there's very little in the way of a classic 'evangelion feel' to the way scenes play out or the way transitions between scenes happen. not a lot of long shots of power lines with crickets chirping. conversations are often choppy, just two or three lines back and forth, then jumping back over to somebody else. this contributes to an even greater feeling of unreality for me... this thing where people just act really strange and nobody asks any logical followup questions, which i found really distracting in the first couple Rebuilds but had come to accept by the third. i guess it's all signs of people being afraid to get closer to each other. (is the "hedgehog's dilemma" mentioned by name in this series?)

when applied to lore and world-building, this same approach leads to just a profusion of empty signifiers and unexplained nonsense, which i embraced as silliness and then decided was thematically intentional by the end. making new spears from the black moon to access the imaginary evangelion inside the anti-universe... ahhh sure whatever, i'm on board

BUT i do think this approach hurts 3.0's exploration of Shinji's burden/guilt. i don't even really understand what happened at the end of 2, Shinji sure doesn't, so everybody blaming him for it really seems harsh, and him punishing himself just didn't land for me. they could at least walk him through a powerpoint about it or something. misato finally admits near the end of 3.0+1.0 that, now that she thinks about it, he was a 14-year-old kid doing what she and everyone else was encouraging him to do. would have been nice to fill in the gaps of this thread a little more, for me personally.

It's kinda crazy that the Soyokaze fansubs site is still up - http://www.soyokazefans.com/

Looks like it hasn't been updated in 20 years.

that rules. beautiful glimpse into a whole lost world, really.

oh, that's wonderful. love it.

I still sometimes get pangs of regret from throwing out my old soyokaze tapes several moves back, esp end of eva on a cool blue tape.

holy shit...

I got all my Fushigi Yuugi and Magic Knight Rayearth and Rurouni Kenshin fansubs from this site I think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upQYSSXHv7s

just watched the first two episodes and there are some moments of true beauty - the cut from shinji seemingly losing his battle with the angel to a blindingly white hospital bed and the "unfamiliar ceilings" title card is wonderful~~~ and the show has some of the best sound fx in any anime from the bestial groans of the eva in battle to all that perfectly calibrated silence

― jveggra va pbqr (Lamp), Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:26 AM (fourteen years ago)

otm i always loved the way they would isolate the cicadas in quiet outdoor scenes

― a narwhal done gored my sister nell (cankles), Tuesday, August 18, 2009 1:14 AM (fourteen years ago)

i watched the whole series for the first time the last couple weeks, and loved the sound throughout. the cicadas cankles mentioned, so good. sometimes you can hear them muffled through walls, i think. also there are some downright ~terrifying~ screams from shinji in the early episodes, when he's first piloting the EVA's and going into battle. i listened with the english overdub so i'm not sure if the screams are the same or not. but they are horrifying.

i'll always attach this show to NAS now because if you watch it on netflix and skip the intro, it cuts straight to the last 2 notes of the theme song (which plays at the end of the 26th episode in modified form, hell yeah), and the letters "NAS" flash on the left side of the screen

Why would you pass up an opportunity to hear Cruel Angel’s Thesis by skipping the intro????

i did give it some solid listens. i was skeptical at first but quickly won over.

i haven't given the plot synopsis/wikipedia a read yet, and i missed a bunch of stuff. episodes 20-24, in particular, i was working on other stuff and falling asleep through half of it while big things were happening. i would keep waking up to the words "the sword of longinus"

also hello silby! <3

shinji's og voice (megumi ogata) is one of the great bloodcurdling screamers of all time

i can and will do a comparison of the screams in the OG vs overdub english version, but i have a suspicion that they just used the OG scream on everything because it is bloodcurdlingly perfect, and it seems out of range for the english actor

hello ivy! <3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx_1tLRuI30

here's a tour

oops that's a joke video. well the first two screams are real

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtSJR2faPFg

(that's just a really good scream)

fuck yes, thank you for finding those. i'm not even much of a scream fanatic! i listen to some heavier music on occasion and i know what gets to me, but it's not like i really know much. but these screams. they are very good! the russian one sounds plausible? i mean it's extreme but so are the other two

it seems out of range for the english actor

since this will likely never come up again i want to go ahead and acknowledge how wrong i was here. the english scream is different and also very good, i think i prefer it. it wavers in a believable way

*spear of longinus