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has anyone seen this?

i keep occassionally catching the odd episode at random times on sci fi but am buggered if i can work out what it's about. it seems quite interesting, just slightly impenetrable. at least to someone who started watching it halfway through the series. can anyone provide a plot synopsis and say whether its worth sticking with or not?

i also thought it was a kids anime, given that it was on at lunchtimes. however, given the occassional bit of nudity and lesbian sex it's probably only appropriate for kids that have googled for Sailor Moon and ended up on a Pokemon Porn hentai site.

Wyndham Earl, Thursday, 12 September 2002 23:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Its the only anime i have evah stand to watch and it simply fantastic u highly recomend watching it, though not from the halfway, the story is pretty much made on details and i think seeing it from halfway should really put a lot down

vic (vicc13), Friday, 13 September 2002 00:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Is this the one with the Penguin? I think they battle these demons called "Angels" that are just generally bad ass, they destroyed half teh population of Earth or something like that. The kids of NERV are the only ones who can fit in the battle suits, is teh somewhat shaky premise. Yeah, I kinda like this one.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 13 September 2002 08:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Its good because of the Title.

Mike Hanle y (mike), Friday, 13 September 2002 11:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Very impenetrable, even for those who have seen the whole series. But interesting nonetheless.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Friday, 13 September 2002 12:50 (eighteen years ago) link

It's deconstruction of the giant-robot genre is very well done because it dared to also include it's materialist support, the otaku community.

Here instead of using the feedback of their consumers and giving them the escapism fantasy they came to expect, the narration works on the fears of an antisocial guy and confront him to the other.

The "reality check" was recieved as a bravade by both fans and the industry! (But somehow I think it doesn't matter since the importance of Eva is now undisputed.)

The author being a Ûber-Otaku himself made his point eaven more twisted, isn'it?

They made a considerable research for this project; loads of references to theology, wwII, post wwII pop culture and it's avant-garde, history of anime etc so it makes it extra-fun for fans to talk about it and share interpretations. The 2 last episodes are fantastic, like a metaphysic of the anime. ANNO HIDEAKI rules! anyone've seen his latest stuff?

the Hegemon, Saturday, 14 September 2002 05:21 (eighteen years ago) link

classic for the fact that the fans were so outraged by the last two episodes that they demanded a film version delivering a more "traditional" happy ending, if nothing else.

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 14 September 2002 05:33 (eighteen years ago) link

ah yes, the appendice movies...
at least they showed the Hero is a Wanker who shot his load looking at the breast of a comatose girl!

The Hegemon, Saturday, 14 September 2002 06:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Shinji? I must see this movies

vic (vicc13), Saturday, 14 September 2002 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
So anyway, I watched this whole deal, including the End of Evangelion movie. The series started out ok, but I kept thinking that I was too old to be watching this, and that all of the characters seemed dreampt up by some 14 year old kid (let alone the main characters actually being 14). But as it went on, and especially in the last movie, it got into some pretty out there things, kind of along the same lines as Kubrick's 2001. When it was over, I just stared at the tv for a while, and now I'm debating whether or not to go through the movie again. Except, since the message of it seemed to be that you shouldn't escape into fantasy to get away from real life, I don't think it's the right thing to do. WTF????

Also, the animation in that movie was probably the best stuff I've seen outside of, say, Fantasia.

dleone (dleone), Monday, 26 January 2004 13:18 (sixteen years ago) link

The last two episodes of the TV show ended up being the way they were because the studio had blown all of its money by that point. Reused animations cleverly disguised as "art," but very well done nonetheless.

The End of Envanglion was created later after the series became a huge success and they had funds to do a proper ending with mecha battles and so forth.

The creator of the series was battling depression at the time, which explains alot. He also admitted that the Christian/Kabalah references were just window dressing and didn't have any real bearing on the plot, which pissed me off (I guess its too much too expect the Japanese to have weird insights into Western Theology). Like a lot of anime, its not as deep as it first appears, just incomprehensible and filled with non-sequitors.

I think FLCL toppped NGE's animation.

..., Monday, 26 January 2004 14:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, all the religious stuff, I wasn't too sure about. And depression, I guess isn't hard to believe, especially being that the whole thing seemed to say, "life is hard, deal with it".

dleone (dleone), Monday, 26 January 2004 14:24 (sixteen years ago) link

I tried reading the manga, and the prose in the first volume was just so awful I stopped right there.

Leee Majors (Leee), Monday, 26 January 2004 22:44 (sixteen years ago) link

just don't see it dubbed!!!!

i enjoyed it when i was about 12-14. i'd probably like to see it again sometime, but i'm in no rush. (this includes the end of evangelion movie et al. which i might be more into if this girl lauren didn't steal it from me. bitch.)

Ian Johnson (orion), Monday, 26 January 2004 22:54 (sixteen years ago) link

three years pass...

i have been watching this stoned as part of my post-breakup/summer regimen of weed & movies that alienate my roommates and its fucking terrific. why does the music suck so much, though? i was hoping for some crazy akira-style chanting/drums. still. giant robots + pseduo-gnostic theology = bonerville

max, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 23:34 (thirteen years ago) link

+ babes, too

max, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 23:37 (thirteen years ago) link

ha, I've been watching this too.

marmotwolof, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 23:55 (thirteen years ago) link

I loved this series the first time through but when I tried to rewatch it, I couldn't tolerate Shinji's whining. I only got through a few episodes before I was muttering, "Shutupshutupshutupshutupshutup," uncontrollably.

Maybe it had something to do with having seen the ending. The end of the movie is a total cop-out, right? I don't want to give anything away (and I don't recall many details anyway) but I remember feeling ripped off.

lindseykai, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 23:56 (thirteen years ago) link

the english dubbing is terrible as usual

max, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 23:58 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, I think I watched the dubbed version. Stupid, whiny Shinji voice...

lindseykai, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 00:02 (thirteen years ago) link

I couldn't finish watching this on TV because of him, had to buy the DVDs and see it subbed.

This is the man responsible:

Also, I think Asuka is awesomely bitchy in Japanese, but just annoyingly bitchy in English.

marmotwolof, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 00:17 (thirteen years ago) link

hmm, did the pic not post?
this guy:

marmotwolof, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 00:21 (thirteen years ago) link

Huh, Asuka's voice was the only one I liked better in English than Japanese.

Something about it, just more affecting...

Bill Bary, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 00:24 (thirteen years ago) link

I've heard people say that. Couldn't take it.

marmotwolof, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 00:26 (thirteen years ago) link

Asuka's accent in the dubbed version is so weird.

31g, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 03:53 (thirteen years ago) link

for me, it doesn't work without the english dubbing. only because i saw it all first as the dubbed version.

Gukbe, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 05:47 (thirteen years ago) link

the penguin annoys me too

max, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 05:50 (thirteen years ago) link

I haven't seen this but I have been led to suspect it might be the second-best thing ever, by this... intriguing version of Gangster's Paradise:

(which is obviously the first-best thing ever)

ledge, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 14:46 (thirteen years ago) link

two years pass...

why does the music suck so much, though?

haha that fly me to the moon cover omg

@ one point in my lyfe i really thought this was the most wonderful thing imaginable. rewatching now ive got a new appreciation for mitsuru erm mitsato

jveggra va pbqr (Lamp), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 04:25 (eleven years ago) link

lmao ya me 2 (that point in my lyfe being when i was 14 - perfect age for it really, since at no other point in ure life will that particular brand of narcissistic doom-angst resonate so distinctly)

imo it's best interpreted as an extremely hateful sequel to otaku no video - the whole thing boils over with anno's rage & disgust w/himself and w/his audience, which in turn casts a darkly funny light on the show's legacy, tho otoh i have recently come to understand that GAINAX is doing a series of evangelion movies w/the promise that it will retell the story in a more conventional and straightforward fashion, to make it accessible for a broader audience - i guess that says something about where anno's at in his life now (i know he got married a few years ago), or maybe it just means he has nothing better to do than remake gunbuster for the 93rd time

the scene from end of evangelion where asuka is eaten alive still gives me, like, emotions btw ;_;

a narwhal done gored my sister nell (cankles), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 05:12 (eleven years ago) link

just watched the first two episodes and there are some moments of true beauty - the cut from shinji seemingly losing his battle with the angel to a blindingly white hospital bed and the "unfamiliar ceilings" title card is wonderful~~~ and the show has some of the best sound fx in any anime from the bestial groans of the eva in battle to all that perfectly calibrated silence

yah i watched it 1st when i was 13 and i really got sucked in to the alternating ~coolness~ (lol the shadowy cabal meets in a nite black room with glowing neon thrones) and ~heaviness~ of the angst and the alienation amidst this wonderful futurescape. but i think its still "good" or w/e maybe more nuanced than im giving credit for

jveggra va pbqr (Lamp), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 05:26 (eleven years ago) link

the whole thing boils over with anno's rage & disgust w/himself and w/his audience, which in turn casts a darkly funny light on the show's legacy

even two episodes in every characters desperation to connect w/another human being is pretty fukken tragic but the amount of self-loathing that shinji feels is pretty lol considering hes the obv audience surrogate

also cankles:

jveggra va pbqr (Lamp), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 05:30 (eleven years ago) link

the show has some of the best sound fx in any anime from the bestial groans of the eva in battle to all that perfectly calibrated silence

otm i always loved the way they would isolate the cicadas in quiet outdoor scenes

idk if it's good or nuanced but as someone who basically hates anime i appreciate eva for being so mean and hateful. it was the most influential anime of the decade, but everything it influenced took the 'wrong' cues from it - all the crap with the conspiracies and retarded plucked-from-a-hat religious shit was just window dressing for the 26-episode therapy session of one rageful manchild. that's probably why i liked the movie better than the series, which had a lot of bland monster-of-the-week filler episodes (tho i liked the show's ending fine), stuff like the scene where shinji jerks off over asuka's coma-titties has no room for extra interpretation.

a narwhal done gored my sister nell (cankles), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 06:14 (eleven years ago) link

haha from here it seems like the most influential anime of the 90s was dragon ball but i def agree with everything else ur saying. eva was unique in how bleak and vicious it could be - watching the sub versions the dude who voices shinji's dad is so menacing and hateful its pretty great.

i guess id just add that eva still feels a lot more "artful" than most anime. its beautifully drawn and we talked about the sound but the editing is fukken aces and it less idk static or flat than a lot of cartoons imo. also i do think theres some nuance - its mostly pretty emo and yah "rageful" is really good word for it - but small moments like shinji sobbing in the cockpit of his eva after the 2nd battle in front of the dude that just knocked him out - there are some slivers of a more grown up empathy and distance in there

retarded plucked-from-a-hat religious shit

lol deathnote

jveggra va pbqr (Lamp), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 08:40 (eleven years ago) link

lol all anime

la belle dame sans serif (c sharp major), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 08:49 (eleven years ago) link

haha, this show will always have a special place in my heart, seriously

Nhex, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 13:29 (eleven years ago) link

dragonball couldve been the most influential in america but as far as influencing other anime eva takes the cake. idk a lot of that was pretty by-the-book giant robot melodrama stuff - crying in a robot (the new 'crying in the club') is definitely well-worn territory imo. the 'moments of true beauty' u mentioned earlier were only there for budgetary reasons, ie. it's a tv production so there's lots of panning across still frames and backgrounds, which is why gendo spends half the series with his mouth covered. maybe the fact that eva gave license to every anime that followed it to also be 'artful' and pretentious makes me distrusting of those qualities in eva itself.

also ya lmbo anime imo

a narwhal done gored my sister nell (cankles), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 20:53 (eleven years ago) link

'starscream ascendant', chapter 9 - transformers fanfic community — this is the only google result for 'crying in a robot'

thomp, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 21:05 (eleven years ago) link

haha yah it wasnt that shinji crying in da robot was new ground but that the way it was shot and cut and the perspective of the two classmates (lol even drawn the O_O looks on their faces is a+) made it seem more, i guess, than the typical emo pity party thing. idk i thought it was pretty effective @ showing how alienated and ashamed the dude was - even if being alienated and ashamed is kinda de rigeur~~~

sometimes the "artful" stuff is pretentious lol the shot of a lone tennis ball in the rain but i think it works, generally. meh ive been liking it so far what can i say?

jveggra va pbqr (Lamp), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 21:14 (eleven years ago) link

it works.

Nhex, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 21:15 (eleven years ago) link

i will say, the way the kaji-misato relationship was handled always struck me as really 'adult' i guess

a narwhal done gored my sister nell (cankles), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 21:22 (eleven years ago) link

we are all so lonely €~€~€~€

jveggra va pbqr (Lamp), Friday, 21 August 2009 06:30 (eleven years ago) link

the scene from end of evangelion where asuka is eaten alive still gives me, like, emotions btw ;_;

haha just watched the movie and this, basic. the whole thing is pretty fucked up and meandering and tenuous but that scene and ikari just choking the fuck out of asuka @ one point ~feelings bro~

flcl on tapppp i think

diggvm rm xlwv (Lamp), Friday, 28 August 2009 08:33 (eleven years ago) link

flcl was awesome

i don't know what you mean by "on tappppp" though

thomp, Friday, 28 August 2009 09:19 (eleven years ago) link

no 1 understands me. [do they?] no 1 cares about me. [do they?] i'm useless. [are u?]

diggvm rm xlwv (Lamp), Friday, 28 August 2009 09:26 (eleven years ago) link

no; possibly; maybe

thomp, Friday, 28 August 2009 09:27 (eleven years ago) link

when u read that u shouldve pictured a bunch of squiggly kanji and stills from some of my past ilx posts btw

diggvm rm xlwv (Lamp), Friday, 28 August 2009 09:32 (eleven years ago) link

that's pretty much the spirit in which i always read ur posts

thomp, Friday, 28 August 2009 09:37 (eleven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

candice spergin (cankles), Friday, 18 September 2009 07:33 (eleven years ago) link

string quartet though.... hmmm

Thanks ^^

maffew12, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 15:13 (one year ago) link

2 great tastes that taste great together

Mordy, Friday, 9 August 2019 18:14 (one year ago) link

animated series voting is open!

The New Adventures of ILXor: The Animated Series Poll voting and campaigning thread

I dunno if there's other threads I should bump, I'm fairly confident it has garnered the requisite attention

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Friday, 9 August 2019 18:17 (one year ago) link

four months pass...


Doctor Casino, Monday, 30 December 2019 18:15 (ten months ago) link

xpost to Cosplay gone... good

Nhex, Monday, 30 December 2019 18:30 (ten months ago) link

Anno published a lengthy article yesterday about the clusterfuck that is Gainax
most pertinent to this thread: Gainax got into such financial difficulty that childhood friend & Gainax president Yamaga asked Anno for a 100 million yen loan in 2014, Anno gave him it interest free & with no conditions in exchange for all Eva rights (which probably explains the Netflix deal). Yamaga then started ghosting Anno over the loan repayments, sold off properties like Gunbuster without telling Anno, created shell companies, sold off production materials etc. Anno eventually sued them.
more here

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Monday, 30 December 2019 18:38 (ten months ago) link

one month passes...

I am rewatching Evangelion bcz i'm showing it to my friend for the first time and he is so hooked, there's a bunch of stuff I'm noticing that I either forgot or didn't notice before, I can't wait to watch EoE and then the Rebuilds (which I've seen once before)

do we all support the theory that the rebuilds are part of a time loop?

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 17 February 2020 20:16 (eight months ago) link

the rebuild movies are obviously set in the remade post-end of eva world to me but that might as well be a time loop

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 17 February 2020 20:37 (eight months ago) link

the final rebuild movie is coming out the day after my birthday this year :D

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 17 February 2020 20:39 (eight months ago) link

Have we all watched the first ten mins of 3.0+1.0?

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Monday, 17 February 2020 21:00 (eight months ago) link

i haven't! idk if i want to

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 17 February 2020 21:14 (eight months ago) link

i def don't want to yet

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 17 February 2020 21:57 (eight months ago) link

no spoilers, but I did watch it and now I have many more questions

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 03:39 (eight months ago) link

oh that means it's good

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 03:46 (eight months ago) link

hi Stevie D :)

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 04:07 (eight months ago) link


god it's amazing that I've seen this in its entirety 3 times now and I'm still confused

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 15:02 (eight months ago) link

one month passes...

3.0+1.0 delayed again :( :( :(

new English title revealed as (lol) Thrice Upon a Time

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 17 April 2020 16:15 (six months ago) link

Thrice Upon a Time


COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Friday, 17 April 2020 16:26 (six months ago) link

if it gets delayed til next year i'll be so sad but it's prob the only thing that makes sense

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 17 April 2020 16:31 (six months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Congratulations! 👏👏👏

— 🍀Ari: The KINO Rosa fan (@AriKlNO) May 11, 2020

chihuahuau, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 20:27 (five months ago) link

lol nice "pen pen" in there. poor asuka.

Nhex, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 21:43 (five months ago) link

three weeks pass...

New Eva collection at Uniqlo!!!!

It's just ok.

I'm gonna rewatch the Rebuilds soon which I am looking forward to it now that I'm on board with the theory that it's all set in the same continuity and is either a time loop or some sort of post-Third Impact "redo"

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 8 June 2020 13:36 (four months ago) link

wait does this mean evangelion 3.0+1.0 has been undelayed

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 8 June 2020 14:11 (four months ago) link

also the rebuilds are a sequel to the show, feel like 3.0 all but confirms this

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 8 June 2020 14:11 (four months ago) link

at least two of the shirts look kinda tight

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 8 June 2020 14:16 (four months ago) link

movie still delayed to unknown point in time according to wiki :(

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 8 June 2020 14:18 (four months ago) link

what they baggy af

not seeing un-delay news??

maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 8 June 2020 14:20 (four months ago) link

yeah, those shirts are pretty disappointing.

Nhex, Monday, 8 June 2020 18:07 (four months ago) link

not as good as

ciderpress, Monday, 8 June 2020 18:10 (four months ago) link

I like the one with the angel skull on the pocket

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Monday, 8 June 2020 18:13 (four months ago) link

I still have the NERV logo shirt I bought like 12 years ago at a con (I think), it's starting to peel apart but it's extremely classique

all cats are beautiful (silby), Monday, 8 June 2020 18:16 (four months ago) link

just watched Love & Pop. super highly recommend it if you haven't seen it.

flopson, Sunday, 21 June 2020 00:19 (four months ago) link

is it streaming anywhere?

Nhex, Sunday, 21 June 2020 01:09 (four months ago) link

not to my knowledge! acquired illegally

flopson, Sunday, 21 June 2020 01:45 (four months ago) link

Oh yes I also "obtained" this recently but haven't watch it yet!! I did a deep dive trying to locate Japanese films that depicted like late 90s to mid 00's Shibuya and this was one of 2 things I found

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 21 June 2020 17:47 (four months ago) link

Stevie, interested to know what other films you found on your dive?

Maresn3st, Sunday, 21 June 2020 18:03 (four months ago) link

the only other movie was "Bounce Ko Gals". My understanding is that it's difficult to obtain permits for shooting on the streets of Tokyo, and I'm also undoubtedly hampered by doing all of my research in English and not Japanese.

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 21 June 2020 18:31 (four months ago) link

it's been years since I've seen it but I think Kamikaze Girls had a section where they walk around early 00s Shibuya when the lolita fashion girl goes to visit the real life clothes shop Baby, The Stars Shine Bright

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Sunday, 21 June 2020 18:59 (four months ago) link

three weeks pass...

i made some gifs

diamonddave85​​ (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:39 (three months ago) link

great shots

clouds, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 17:20 (three months ago) link

agreed ^_^

Nhex, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 18:31 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

The End of Evangelion (Hideaki Anno, 1997)

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 27 September 2020 18:54 (one month ago) link

Bluray next year

GKIDS is proud to announce the acquisition of the North American home video and theatrical rights to NEON GENESIS EVANGELION.

Properties included:


— GKIDS Films (@GKIDSfilms) October 3, 2020

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Sunday, 4 October 2020 02:08 (three weeks ago) link

I am 100% buying this

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 4 October 2020 03:29 (three weeks ago) link

i am too bc i’m a sucker who needs to own eva a third time in a translation i don’t even like

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 4 October 2020 05:31 (three weeks ago) link

Will probably do this. Hopefully they don't charge $200 or something

Nhex, Sunday, 4 October 2020 05:34 (three weeks ago) link

I watched 3.0 earlier this year. Is there a "standard" fan theory over what happens? I am guessing that the god in the abyss was actually Lilith, NERV having tricked Kaworu into thinking it was Adam (by switching the bodies and decapitating Lilith themselves), Kaworu then tricking Shinji into thinking it was Lilith (which it actually was). Very Princess Bride cup game.

wasdnous (abanana), Sunday, 4 October 2020 06:47 (three weeks ago) link

New 3.0+1.0 trailer with a release date of 1/23/21! Allegedly!!!

Warmed Regards, (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 16 October 2020 12:52 (two weeks ago) link

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