THE GAME OF THRONES/ASOIAF SPOILER THREAD (WARNING: SPOILERS)

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jon snow dies

diamonddave85, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 15:54 (seven years ago) link

i'm wondering if the end of S02E02 is possibly going to kickstart the mutiny at craster's keep early. i can't really see craster being friendly to the crows after catching jon snow spying on his secret

diamonddave85, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 15:56 (seven years ago) link

I am pretty sure Jon is going to end up inside of his wolf

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:32 (seven years ago) link

ew

Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:25 (seven years ago) link

oh hey so this thread exists

catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:27 (seven years ago) link

I'm going to read this thread even tho I haven't read the books because I am total badass

lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:29 (seven years ago) link

someone remind me how the craster stuff went down in the books. the mutiny happened in book 3 on their way back, right?

ciderpress, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:33 (seven years ago) link

yes, things were pretty tense after slogging through the snow for months and getting attacked by zombies

Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:11 (seven years ago) link

I'm going to read this thread even tho I haven't read the books because I am total badass

― lag∞n, Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:29 PM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark

robb dies, catelyn dies and becomes a zombie, arya goes blind, tyrion kills his father tywin and flees westeros, jaime gets his hand chopped off, joffrey dies, sansa marries tyrion, renly dies, jon snow dies, dany gets diarrhea *drops mic*

these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:28 (seven years ago) link

you forgot Bran becomes a tree

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:30 (seven years ago) link

Jon is inside a wolf

Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:31 (seven years ago) link

lol its cool i dont know most of the characters names anyway

lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:31 (seven years ago) link

Jon is Inside a Wolf Inside a Turkey. He's a Jowokey.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:32 (seven years ago) link

There's an interesting thread on the Westeros forum (where obsessives pour over the books for clues endlessly) that attempts to list out where each and every character is at the end of Dance With Dragons. It is a very long list and went a long way toward convincing me that these books will never get any kind of resolution.

Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:32 (seven years ago) link

also forgot: Arya gets her sight back, along with a new face

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:33 (seven years ago) link

I'm not sure if Jon is going to be inside the wolf or brought back to life by the red queen. Either would work, though the first would be more interesting.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:34 (seven years ago) link

how will you guys feel if the show departs radically from the books at some point because i think it should totally do that

lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:35 (seven years ago) link

http://ih3.redbubble.net/image.11086801.6316/fc,220x200,white.jpg

Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:37 (seven years ago) link

how will you guys feel if the show departs radically from the books at some point because i think it should totally do that

I'm totally fine with whatever as long as the Red Wedding still happens

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:37 (seven years ago) link

if they do the whole showdown at Craster's now, it would be a pretty huge departure. That's skipping forward like a thousand pages.

Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:39 (seven years ago) link

how will you guys feel if the show departs radically from the books at some point because i think it should totally do that

― lag∞n, Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:35 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

i feel like the longer the show goes on, the more it's going to create its own universe with all those little departures adding up into something bigger. but i dont really care because im honestly not that into the show, i just want the next book. hurry up george!!!!

these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:41 (seven years ago) link

the show needs its own universe because it can't really sustain all of the plot threads of the book

basically I think if they keep focused on Dany and Tyrion (with Bran and Arya as the main subplots), they can reshuffle/redo most everything else and get away with it

they absolutely need a Red Wedding analogue though; the culling of competing kings is a pretty important piece of the overall series no matter what form it takes

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:43 (seven years ago) link

they need the red wedding, period, it's by far the most badass moment in teh whole series

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:47 (seven years ago) link

i love how there's so much dready build up to it but u never actually think he'll do THAT

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:48 (seven years ago) link

/how will you guys feel if the show departs radically from the books at some point because i think it should totally do that/

I'm totally fine with whatever as long as the Red Wedding still happens

5real

catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:49 (seven years ago) link

It'll probably be even more shocking in the show since Rob is already a bigger character than he was in the books

Number None, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:50 (seven years ago) link

booming post canks, that'll keep the riffraff out

catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:50 (seven years ago) link

what book does the red wedding take place in

lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:51 (seven years ago) link

storm of swords

Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:52 (seven years ago) link

man wait u forgot ppl out skydoors

catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:52 (seven years ago) link

what did max reveal on the other thread?? was it melisandre getting 'pregnant'? because i so nearly wrote that.

i will repeat from elsewhere, no way jon is dead.

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:01 (seven years ago) link

no one is dead

Number None, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:03 (seven years ago) link

well, Robb is dead

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:04 (seven years ago) link

never clicking again

kelpolaris, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:04 (seven years ago) link

also, one departure i would like to suggest is gilly gets killed immediately so that terrible woman isn't on my tv anymore

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:05 (seven years ago) link

aw, what did Kristin Wiig ever do to you

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:06 (seven years ago) link

this is not the thread you want to open having noticed only that it has "GAME OF THRONES" in the title

So it's been renewed for season three, which means that now the show has to untangle books three and four, which will be a tough gig.

My suspicion is that S2 would end with the Blackwater battle? Can't see it stuck in the middle of season 3. And I can't imagine how they're going to film that for TV, that's LotR scale.

Brakhage, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 01:35 (seven years ago) link

they cut his head off and replaced it with his wolfs

Lamp, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 01:36 (seven years ago) link

Yep, S2 finale

Brakhage, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 01:38 (seven years ago) link

Interesting to see how they're breaking this down

201: The North Remembers
Written by David Benioff & D.B Weiss, directed by Alan Taylor
Airdate: 1 April 2012

202: The Night Lands
Written by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by Alan Taylor
Airdate: 8 April 2012

203: What is Dead May Never Die
Written by Bryan Cogman, directed by Alik Sakharov
Airdate: 15 April 2012

204: Garden of Bones
Written by Vanessa Taylor, directed by David Petrarca
Airdate: 22 April 2012

205: The Ghost of Harrenhal
Written by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by David Petrarca
Airdate: 29 April 2012

206: The Old Gods and the New
Written by Vanessa Taylor, directed by David Nutter
Airdate: 6 May 2012

207: A Man Without Honor
Written by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by David Nutter
Airdate: 13 May 2012

208: The Prince of Winterfell
Written by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by Alan Taylor
Airdate: 20 May 2012

209: Blackwater
Written by George R.R. Martin, directed by Neil Marshall
Airdate: 27 May 2012

210: Valar Morghulis
Written by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by Alan Taylor
Airdate: 3 June 2012

Brakhage, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 01:41 (seven years ago) link

My suspicion is that S2 would end with the Blackwater battle? Can't see it stuck in the middle of season 3. And I can't imagine how they're going to film that for TV, that's LotR scale.

Probably going to be Stannis and Mel re-enacting it on the Dragonstone table with the action figures, post-coitus.

Où sont le Lord Custos d'antan? (Leee), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 05:20 (seven years ago) link

I wonder if they're still going to have Tyrion get his nose cut off etc.

Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 08:40 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, Peter Dinklage is already way more handsome than the way Tyrion is described in the books. I have a hard time seeing HBO disfigure their star for years on end.

Moodles, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:05 (seven years ago) link

They'll probably just give him an interesting scar instead.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:21 (seven years ago) link

grrm dropped too many hints about jon snow actually being lyanna stark's son to just kill him off without having the Big Reveal about that. he'll surely be back

ciderpress, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:27 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, Peter Dinklage is already way more handsome than the way Tyrion is described in the books. I have a hard time seeing HBO disfigure their star for years on end.

kind of like how ppl had a hard time seeing HBO kill of poster boy Sean Bean?

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:35 (seven years ago) link

No, not really

Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:37 (seven years ago) link

they already made a concession by not having him be ugly from the start. They might give him a nasty scar but i doubt they'll go all the way with it.

Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:38 (seven years ago) link

did you know peter dinklage was in that one episode of 30 rock? tina fey mistakes him for a child but then starts dating him to cover up for it

thomp, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:39 (seven years ago) link

Nah, because any time he wanted to crank out some standalone story that's not related to the central mythology he could.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 3 January 2016 17:14 (three years ago) link

that would spiral in on itself and we'd have three years of an unrelated character gambling aboard a riverboat somewhere in Shaktarka or some shit

Does that make you mutter, under your breath, “Damn”? (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 3 January 2016 17:23 (three years ago) link

I think just writing for two books that might take another decade would be less frustrating than lots of increments that make bibliographical lists more complicated. Think of the bibliographies you savages!

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 3 January 2016 17:43 (three years ago) link

he should just fuck it off completely and sit on his pile of money, who even cares any more

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Sunday, 3 January 2016 17:55 (three years ago) link

Evidently loads of people care.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 3 January 2016 18:21 (three years ago) link

ah the poor guy just doesn't want to write the damn book, it's been like 10 years, he's killing himself

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Sunday, 3 January 2016 21:34 (three years ago) link

it's been four years fwiw

balls, Sunday, 3 January 2016 21:37 (three years ago) link

And it's roughly the same pace as the other books, he is not a quick writer.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 4 January 2016 02:15 (three years ago) link

he wrote the first 3 in a shorter period of time (and they're the good ones)

it really does seem like his interest in completing the series has waned over time

ciderpress, Monday, 4 January 2016 03:00 (three years ago) link

I would think the burden of living up to fans expectations had a lot to do with that. Wonder if any writers are thinking "shit, I'd better write my entire series over 15 years then released them all in one go"?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 4 January 2016 03:21 (three years ago) link

Yeah I don't think it's a lack of interest. Just for some odd reason he never figured out the plotting beyond 1-3 and he's desperately trying to figure out how to keep the narrative together.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 4 January 2016 04:28 (three years ago) link

he should take his time & do it however he wants who gives a fuck

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 4 January 2016 04:37 (three years ago) link

Becoming rich in old age probably has something to do with this

Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Monday, 4 January 2016 19:27 (three years ago) link

I don't know, he writes books that are about 3 times longer than normal books in about 5 years. That seems pretty decent.

sacral intercourse conducive to vegetal luxuriance (askance johnson), Monday, 4 January 2016 19:40 (three years ago) link

Plus writing and editing lots of other books too.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 4 January 2016 19:51 (three years ago) link

oh wow, they are still publishing Wild Cards books

you're breaking the NAP (DJP), Monday, 4 January 2016 19:54 (three years ago) link

he writes books that are about 3 times longer than normal books

Again: why do the books have to be so fucking long? I read the first two books, but I've seen the whole series to date, and there's very little of the books I miss, just more minutia and mythology. The show is just so ruthlessly efficient compared to the prose.

Anyway, if this guy really does have an idea how he wants it all to end, I wonder if it is indeed the show that's thrown him off. That is, maybe the joy of discovery in writing, as he's writing, might have fizzled out after he essentially "wrote" the entire series for the show runners. That's a lot more intense than an outline, that's really bringing others along on an entire journey, locking in the narrative (at least to an extent), then basically going backwards and starting the trip again, while struggling to catch up with the people you gave a head start. It's got to be dispiriting to have someone else usurp your creative momentum.

Incidentally, I just re-read the Harry Potter series with my daughter, and sure, they're I think on their face much better, imo, but more importantly they rarely seem so rambling and focused on pointless minutia, as full of pointless minutia as they may be. There's a clear quest from the start, more or less, and it all comes together tightly in the end. That's seven books in 10 years, a couple of them pretty big, and they never read like the whole narrative is spilling out of control.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 4 January 2016 20:21 (three years ago) link

he's mad that ppl figured out his marquee reveal so easily and he is stalling while he tries to figure out a plausible alternative.

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 4 January 2016 20:28 (three years ago) link

That's possible, too! It'd be like coming up with a cool story and boasting about it, and then some 10-year old boy is all "what, he's a ghost who has been dead the whole time?" And then you just deflate.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 4 January 2016 20:30 (three years ago) link

Anyway, if this guy really does have an idea how he wants it all to end, I wonder if it is indeed the show that's thrown him off. That is, maybe the joy of discovery in writing, as he's writing, might have fizzled out after he essentially "wrote" the entire series for the show runners. That's a lot more intense than an outline, that's really bringing others along on an entire journey, locking in the narrative (at least to an extent), then basically going backwards and starting the trip again, while struggling to catch up with the people you gave a head start. It's got to be dispiriting to have someone else usurp your creative momentum.

― Josh in Chicago, Monday, January 4, 2016 12:21 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there's something to this imo. not fussed about it either way tbh. looking forward to the season, happy to read the book whenever it shows up.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 4 January 2016 20:44 (three years ago) link

The main benefit of the show finishing first is that he can use all the response to improve upon it. I can't imagine he'll feel the same pressure when the show finishes in 2017.

I'm pretty excited about the 6th season but I can't help but feel it'll suffer for not having finished books, intense fan discussion and hindsight to work upon.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 4 January 2016 21:17 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmrA8nOZF2Q

Gee, maybe Jon really is dead!

La Lechazunga (Leee), Monday, 15 February 2016 21:23 (three years ago) link

well Tyrion too if that's to be believed? was that some many faced God ref?

Interesting. No, wait, the other thing: tedious. (Trayce), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 09:13 (three years ago) link

I think Dany's one of the faces too, so they're probably overplaying the Anyone Can Die card.

La Lechazunga (Leee), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 18:17 (three years ago) link

Can they only disguise themselves with the faces of the dead?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 18:19 (three years ago) link

I think they were just using the cool room with the faces as a visual motif, and it has nothing to do with whether the characters are dead/gonna die/whatever

sarahell, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 18:29 (three years ago) link

Oh soz yeah I didnt take it as interpreting that theyre all gonna die.

Interesting. No, wait, the other thing: tedious. (Trayce), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 22:51 (three years ago) link

hey guys

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 22:58 (three years ago) link

winter is coming

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 22:58 (three years ago) link

oh sweet i can finally read this thread

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 23:00 (three years ago) link

four months pass...

http://imgur.com/a/mrrK4

grrm's original outline to the publishers for the asoiaf "trilogy"

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 20 June 2016 14:08 (three years ago) link

lol really hope that love triangle's still happening.

le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Monday, 20 June 2016 14:26 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

Sigh

schwantz, Friday, 19 August 2016 23:12 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

Yeah, that made me chuckle as well.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 21:18 (one year ago) link

And it's going to be TWO volumes. Except I'm sure that he's going to expand it to 3+, without ever finishing them.

Twyla Thwoorp (Leee), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 21:44 (one year ago) link

I've been fairly positive for quite a while that Winds of Winter will never see the light of day during his lifetime. This news is a good indication that's what's happening. I don't get people who are highly anticipating it like it will come out any day now. My brother-in-law refuses to watch the two most recent seasons of GoT until the rest of the books come out. Insane.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 21:58 (one year ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwa6xgIZCv8

omar little, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 22:15 (one year ago) link

I love the cinematography of that film

Frederik B, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 22:32 (one year ago) link

Martin has somehow achieved the almost impossible task of making a civil war between people with dragons seem dull, with dry prose that would fit right alongside Gibbon’s famed work.

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 26 April 2018 01:17 (one year ago) link

Impossible task?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 27 April 2018 18:41 (one year ago) link

I can't wait for his 10,000 page Westeros cookbook.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 27 April 2018 18:44 (one year ago) link

The asiof cookbook is actually really good imo

I want to change my display name (dan m), Friday, 27 April 2018 18:51 (one year ago) link

i have eaten a couple dishes from it tbrr

when worlds collide I'll see you again (Jon not Jon), Friday, 27 April 2018 19:50 (one year ago) link

I can't wait for his 10,000 page Westeros cookbook.

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, April 27, 2018 6:44 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

look, we're all excited for winds of winter

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 27 April 2018 19:54 (one year ago) link

I don't know if I'll ever read this series but I'm glad he's just writing what he feels like.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 27 April 2018 20:20 (one year ago) link

The Winds of Winter blew strong across the Plains of Abaranth. Kornth, the boy, looked up at Twer, the Dwarf, his master.

"The Winds of Winter blow strong today," said the boy.

"Yes," said the dwarf to his charge. "And it is still only summer."

"But winter is coming," said the boy.

"It is," said the dwarf, upping the pace of his stride, as much to counter the chill and as to reach his destination that much faster.

"Are we there yet?" asked the boy.

"Not far now," said the dwarf, bracing himself against another blast of cold air. The journey had been long, too long, already, and his stomach announced its presence with ever greater frequency, as if angry at the absence of sustenance. Twer tried his best to ignore it, but he could not resist its impatience call, and his mind brought him back to more bountiful times. He recalled his mother in the kitchen, cooking from a great book based on food found in several tomes of ancient legend. He remembered long nights at the long table, watching his father eat is weight in roast boar and banana pudding, washed down with ample pours of Swamp Drink. But that was a different time, a time before dragons. During the feasts, full of stories and mirth, no one ever thought the dragons would return. And now, no one ever thought the dragons would ever leave. They were like demanding house guests with unfathomable appetites and unappeasable demands, the stuff of myth for dietary needs alone who now made their nests in the charred bones of their former hosts, the skeletal remnants of the world as it was before.

That is why Twer walked as fast as his short legs would take him, and that is why Korth the boy raced to keep up. The boy was the key. That is what the Red Prophecy declared, and even if Twer had his personal doubts, his desperation was such that he was willing to put his faith in the prospects of this small child, this soon to be young man, this future king who had once faced down a dragon ... and lived.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 27 April 2018 20:31 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

Been a long time since I posted itt, but watching the shows has made me think about the books again.

I laughed to see GRRM putting out an angry blog about how he has not finished the books:

That seems to be happening right now. All of a sudden this crazy story about my finishing THE WINDS OF WINTER and A DREAM OF SPRING years ago is popping up everywhere. No, I am not going to provide links. I don’t want to reward purveyors of misinformation with hits.

I will, however, say for the record — no, THE WINDS OF WINTER and A DREAM OF SPRING are not finished. DREAM is not even begun; I am not going to start writing volume seven until I finish volume six

It seems absurd to me that I need to state this. The world is round, the Earth revolves around the sun, water is wet…


...and GRRM will never finish the books. It’s a shame because the last episode spoilers I’ve read are so crazy that there’s no way he should have let it get to this position. Oh well!

gyac, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 10:11 (three months ago) link

If he ever finishes the books and they turn out to be reasonably good, there will inevitably be a clamour for a TV adaptation of them

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 14 May 2019 11:50 (three months ago) link


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