big hoos & owenf watch 'battlestar galactica' and no one talks abt eps they haven't seen yet

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so yeah man this show

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 April 2012 22:49 (eight years ago) link

i'm only a few episodes into season 1 thus far, loving it. owenf is kindly waiting for me to finish the season so we can jointly start s2

i was surprised at how much i already care about the characters--the deck crew cheering when they realized it was starbuck in the cylon ship gave me a little charge. just watched ep6 'litmus' and it was the first moment that kinda clanged for me; sorta didn't buy that everybody was down with the commander shutting down the tribunal by fiat. clearly the ~audience~ knew there was nothing to the master at arms' line of questioning, but as far as they were concerned he was telling them to stop asking questions as soon as the question got difficult, idk.

really looking forward to the rest of the season.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 April 2012 22:53 (eight years ago) link

looking forward to you guys hating this soon

― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Thursday, April 5, 2012 10:53 PM (6 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^ key post

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 April 2012 22:54 (eight years ago) link

S1 and S2 Baltar is some of my favorite shit ever

Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 5 April 2012 22:54 (eight years ago) link

the characters/casting is unimpeachable, every actor so stronglly tied to their characters in my mind even now, and evoke such strong feelings. Agh! So great.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 22:57 (eight years ago) link

envious of u guys

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 22:57 (eight years ago) link

Baltar is so deranged. I love that he's this semi comedic yet really important character. The looks that commander Adama gives him are absolute gold.

Least favorite character is Apollo. He's got a bit of a Tom Cruise thing going on which irks me a little. But that's being particularly harsh.

owenf, Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:22 (eight years ago) link

I call Apollo Bambi Jam

Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:26 (eight years ago) link

started this a year or two ago -- it was fine, but i petered out about midway through season one

mookieproof, Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:29 (eight years ago) link

"litmus" (the DID YOU OPEN THE HATCH COMBING episode, right?) is iirc the worst thing in s1

a dorky cliche i used to be super into was hotshot space pilots and i'm pretty sure this show is the best ever hotshot space pilot thing.

their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:30 (eight years ago) link

it does seem strange to watch this in the post-war-on-terror era. at the time this was like the only TV show that seemed to grapple seriously with post-9/11 sorts of traumas/issues

Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:36 (eight years ago) link

Apollo gets really, really good as the series goes on. I won't spoil anything, obvs, but at one point he's got a line reading consisting entirely of "Gaius Baltar?!" that's like the greatest thing ever.

Frank Youngenstein (Phil D.), Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:38 (eight years ago) link

I do not agree with that assessment. sub-Tom Cruise is OTM afaic.

Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:40 (eight years ago) link

"Gaius Baltar?!"

is it like jim mora saying 'playoffs?!'

mookieproof, Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:41 (eight years ago) link

It's better!

Frank Youngenstein (Phil D.), Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:47 (eight years ago) link

Apollo improves with time. Takes a while for him to not seem like the stereotypical whiny-rebellious captain's son

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:53 (eight years ago) link

And he gets more handsome.

Helo is the handsomest IMO. We are talking about Battlestar ws's right, lol

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:54 (eight years ago) link

Well, more handsome except for that brief no wait no spoilers.

Grace Park is all-time ws territory.

Frank Youngenstein (Phil D.), Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:59 (eight years ago) link

it does seem strange to watch this in the post-war-on-terror era. at the time this was like the only TV show that seemed to grapple seriously with post-9/11 sorts of traumas/issues
--Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier)

Yeah I mean there was a moment where they show all these p obviously 9/11-style memorial/missing posters on the ship and I was like "I wonder if this was *moving* in 2003 instead of heavy-handed"

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 6 April 2012 00:05 (eight years ago) link

I doubt everyone will get this ref but I keep thinking the aesthetic reminds me of the game Wing Commander 3.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 6 April 2012 00:08 (eight years ago) link

lol I just that passed that on to Mr Veg who said u r otm, Hoos :)

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 6 April 2012 00:13 (eight years ago) link

Delete the first 'that', ffs

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 6 April 2012 00:13 (eight years ago) link

p. sure it was still heavy-handed, but hey it's sf. and a far better response than say, 24

mookieproof, Friday, 6 April 2012 00:16 (eight years ago) link

I kind of hate all the cheering bits tbh

JoeStork, Friday, 6 April 2012 00:22 (eight years ago) link

Def

p. sure it was still heavy-handed, but hey it's sf. and a far better response than say, 24
--mookieproof

Def

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 6 April 2012 00:22 (eight years ago) link

hey Laurie and I are right about where you are Hoos, we are also digging it. She hates Baltar though and calls him "penis man", as in "led around by his...".

Flat Of NAGLs (sleeve), Friday, 6 April 2012 00:25 (eight years ago) link

To be fair to Gaius, I'd roll the dice with the future of the human race to get with Caprica Six.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 00:27 (eight years ago) link

Otm

the smash-cut w/timpanis at the start of every ep, what's that about? Idgi

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 6 April 2012 00:29 (eight years ago) link

^

ugh I know, you get the little 'they have a plan bit' then the 'last week' then the bit of actual real show (with no indicator of when it's started) and then the title, the the timpanis and episode spoilers.

there are a LOT of cheering/back slapping moments.

Not entirely sure how down I am with 'frack' yet. Don't think I ever will be.

owenf, Friday, 6 April 2012 00:32 (eight years ago) link

i think the first season there were a lot of characters that were aggravating and irritating that i warmed to in future seasons. boomer being one of them.

sarahell, Friday, 6 April 2012 00:33 (eight years ago) link

and Mary McDonnell is so PRESIDENTIAL.
She should be in first lady to Martin Sheen in something.

owenf, Friday, 6 April 2012 00:33 (eight years ago) link

'a'

owenf, Friday, 6 April 2012 00:34 (eight years ago) link

i liked her assistant

sarahell, Friday, 6 April 2012 00:35 (eight years ago) link

he hasn't had much to do so far really. Hope he gets a more substantial role. He seems like a nice chap.

owenf, Friday, 6 April 2012 00:38 (eight years ago) link

I liked the boomer/assistant
"he's a freedom fighter" "he's a terrorist" argument.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 6 April 2012 00:47 (eight years ago) link

baltar's a pretty neat trick in this, but i am old and still have fond, dimly remembered memories of baltar in the original

mookieproof, Friday, 6 April 2012 00:51 (eight years ago) link

Oh jeez shades of the Crazy in madam prez thinking Adama is a cylon, the way her voice shook while she wore that bathrobe & fretted.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 6 April 2012 00:59 (eight years ago) link

Love baltar a lot btw

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 6 April 2012 01:00 (eight years ago) link

Watching this w/headphones is intense btw

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 6 April 2012 01:09 (eight years ago) link

do the headphones have 9-11 trauma issues?

sarahell, Friday, 6 April 2012 01:10 (eight years ago) link

i'd kinda like to play along, but i don't think i'll be able to keep up to speed

mookieproof, Friday, 6 April 2012 01:18 (eight years ago) link

well part of my quick clip atm is that i'm unemployed and watching 2+ eps a day on hulu

lol

btw speaking of hulu, is anybody watching the ""hulu original program"" "battleground"? it's basically 'the office' set in a state senate campaign office. kinda fun, lightly wonky.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 6 April 2012 01:35 (eight years ago) link

lol i haven't watched any of The 4 Best Dramas Of The Last 25 Years

mookieproof, Friday, 6 April 2012 02:10 (eight years ago) link

we need you get you some free time, mookie

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 6 April 2012 02:24 (eight years ago) link

I think some of my favorite scenes as it goes on is with all of them getting lit up on hooch. That really brings out the angst, especially in the old fellas.

If they are all sitting around drinking, get ready, it's getting ready to throw down.

earlnash, Friday, 6 April 2012 03:14 (eight years ago) link

opening poker scene with Starbuck and old grizzleguts is one of my faves

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 6 April 2012 03:21 (eight years ago) link

oh, i have free time

i just do little worthwhile with it

mookieproof, Friday, 6 April 2012 03:26 (eight years ago) link

Starbuck is my fave x 10. Is she the obv all-fan fave?

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 6 April 2012 03:27 (eight years ago) link

Carl is my fav

Jeff, Friday, 6 April 2012 03:30 (eight years ago) link

Doesn't the "they have a plan" opening change as the show goes on?

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 6 April 2012 03:54 (eight years ago) link

i am basically doing what hoos was doing 2 years ago. i'm currently at season 2, episode 2, so i read the thread until a hoos was at that moment, then stopped reading.


the smash-cut w/timpanis at the start of every ep, what's that about? Idgi

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, April 5, 2012 8:29 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^

ugh I know, you get the little 'they have a plan bit' then the 'last week' then the bit of actual real show (with no indicator of when it's started) and then the title, the the timpanis and episode spoilers.

there are a LOT of cheering/back slapping moments.

Not entirely sure how down I am with 'frack' yet. Don't think I ever will be.

i have been a little 420'd out while watching but can i just say that i LOVE the template for the opening of each episode? "The Cylons were created by man. They evolved. They rebelled. There are many copies. And they have a plan." to a quick flashback, then a present-day scene opener, THEN the opening credits/music, THEN the intense flash-forward to the upcoming events of the episode, THEN it starts. takes about 10 minutes every time and i love the predictable rhythm of it. it's so comforting.

i really hate "frack". i will never be down with frack.

ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Karl Malone), Saturday, 22 November 2014 20:04 (five years ago) link

otm

mookieproof, Saturday, 22 November 2014 20:09 (five years ago) link

frak is awful. it makes them sound like kids at the dinner table using euphemistic pseudo-swears in front of their parents, so self-conscious.

season 2 is excellent, probably the series at its best imo.

you fuck one chud... (stevie), Sunday, 23 November 2014 21:27 (five years ago) link

there is something about this show that's worse than frack.

WTF is up with the hotshot pilots (who i like!) moonlighting as interrogators? even putting aside the torture stuff, it's just weird! in the next episode is it going to be revealed that they also serve as the ship's dry cleaning team? the whole thing comes across like a middle school play where some kid got sick the night before the performance so the lead has to play two different roles and wear a charlie chaplin fake mustache

ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Karl Malone), Monday, 24 November 2014 17:28 (five years ago) link

has to play two different roles

mmm

mookieproof, Monday, 24 November 2014 17:44 (five years ago) link

hahaha
ok, yes, i know that sounds ridiculous in the context of the show, but

I'M NOT A CYLON OK

ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Karl Malone), Monday, 24 November 2014 17:47 (five years ago) link

but someone on ILX is. but i'm not sure who just yet.

ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Karl Malone), Monday, 24 November 2014 17:47 (five years ago) link

It's me.

carl agatha, Monday, 24 November 2014 17:57 (five years ago) link

I know because I have a plan.

carl agatha, Monday, 24 November 2014 17:58 (five years ago) link

So pissed that this came down off of netflix. I was casually going along watching it and then when I heard they were taking it down I ramped up my watching a whole ton, hoping to squeeze everything in. But I threw in the towel somewhere just before the end of season 2.

put your money where the maracas are (how's life), Monday, 24 November 2014 18:07 (five years ago) link

lucky you

Οὖτις, Monday, 24 November 2014 18:15 (five years ago) link

But end of season 2/beginning of season 3 is the peak.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 24 November 2014 18:15 (five years ago) link

yeah I agree actually just being snarky

Οὖτις, Monday, 24 November 2014 18:24 (five years ago) link

as long as you don't get as far as the watchtower

you fuck one chud... (stevie), Monday, 24 November 2014 19:17 (five years ago) link

i'm up to battlesode S02E16. in general i'm still enjoying the show a lot, but i'm starting to notice a lot more flaws and annoying things, and the eyeroll-to-battlesode ratio is increasing at condition 1-worthy rates.

the particular way that religion is used to drive the story is annoying. i'm cool with the quest for earth, but i don't like how it's actually executed. there's no logic to it. there are a series of episodes in season 2 that essentially serve as rpg-style fetch quests - first you must find the mystic arrow of apollo! (an episode or two is dedicated to this quest. everyone levels up). NOW, you must take the arrow of apollo to the legendary tomb, whose location is unknown! (an episode or two is dedicated to this quest. everyone levels up). it's just really lame. there's no logic to what they're doing, they're just following scripture, and so there's zero satisfaction when they actually accomplish their goals. i want the arrow to accidentally guide them to venus and kill the exploration ship so that everyone decides to renounce the religion all at once.

why did they change the theme song from season 1? the new theme song is terrible.

from what i understand, one of the last battlesodes i watched (s2e14) is regarded as the very worst. it's the one that introduces two women that lee has fallen in love with, only one of them only exists in about 3 or 4 seconds of footage that gets chopped up and shown about 30-40 times during the hour. the whole thing depends on making you care about these relationships with lee, but they never bother to provide any context or background, and i'm almost certain we'll never see either of his spurned lovers again. it doesn't help that they seemed to have rented out a replacement director from a 1992 episode of one life to live to take charge - the look and feel, pace, editing, everything is embarrassing. battlesode s2e15 is similarly bad in that it's a detour that doesn't do anything to advance the plot.

i love this show!

ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Karl Malone), Monday, 8 December 2014 18:35 (five years ago) link

yeah there are a handful of one-off episodes that apparently the network was pushing them to do but by and large they all suck and are stupid. I remember Scar being one of the better ones. The boxing one is lol.

Οὖτις, Monday, 8 December 2014 18:38 (five years ago) link

also *spoilerz* the fact that the president was saved using *controversial* embryonic stem cell research is so lol mid-2000s.

ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Karl Malone), Monday, 8 December 2014 18:41 (five years ago) link

did they have a Terry Schiavo episode I forget

Οὖτις, Monday, 8 December 2014 18:41 (five years ago) link

They had an abortion episode, but I don't think they had a Tery Schiavo episode.

The one about Lee's tender, deep, totally unexplored love affair with a random space prostitute is dreadful (maybe s2e14?).

carl agatha, Monday, 8 December 2014 18:49 (five years ago) link

I think I blocked a fair number of these from my memory

valleys of your mind (mh), Monday, 8 December 2014 19:09 (five years ago) link

I remember the abortion one - which was at least tangentially relevant to a steadily declining refugee population but yeah most of them are better left forgotten

Οὖτις, Monday, 8 December 2014 19:10 (five years ago) link

oh, "Black Market". you the worst

Nhex, Monday, 8 December 2014 19:11 (five years ago) link

It's true, this show is basically an RPG. Apollo in particular spends a lot of time experimenting with the job system.

jmm, Monday, 8 December 2014 19:11 (five years ago) link

Yeah Black Market. That was the one that was truly dreadful.

carl agatha, Monday, 8 December 2014 19:25 (five years ago) link

also pretty much the entire BSG crew has been in a situation where one or more people are holding a gun to their heads. lee alone has had a gun pointed him at least 30 times at this point. they don't even look nervous anymore

ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Karl Malone), Monday, 8 December 2014 19:40 (five years ago) link

haha they use that trope more and more as the show goes on - so many cliffhangers with guns pointed

Οὖτις, Monday, 8 December 2014 19:45 (five years ago) link

the last season probably has like 50 mexican standoffs

Nhex, Monday, 8 December 2014 19:54 (five years ago) link

tbf karl you are getting to the very best part imo

mookieproof, Monday, 8 December 2014 19:57 (five years ago) link

i imagine that by the fourth season:

- "previously on battlestar galactica" - shots of intense good/bad/ugly-style showdown, guns drawn and pointed at all participants
- battlesode commences; lee, helo, and sharon are all pointing guns at each other and shouting. suddenly a door slams open. a three new gun barrels enter the room, pointed at lee, helo, and sharon, but we can't see who is holding them just yet
- future vision stream! scenes from the forthcoming episode - closeups of guns drawn and people shouting at each other. sweat
- battlesode commences for real this time
- we finally see who is entering the room. turns out the new arrivals are ANOTHER set of three people with guns drawn on each other. this time it's the XO, starbuck, and the chief. the chief points the gun at the XO, who points his gun at starbuck, who points her gun at the chief. as they shuffle into the new room, they notice the situation with lee, helo, and sharon, and react accordingly. the XO points his other weapon at lee, starbuck targets sharon, and the chief targets helo. lee, helo, and sharon respond in kind with their extra weapons.
- paranoia. more sweat. it's getting hot. shouting.
- the two triangle shaped standoffs have coalesced into a hexagon showdown. but the temperature is positively suffocating. they agree to move to a larger room - but the door is too small! (commercial)
- they unpack their hexagon showdown to a single file line. this is difficult because they need to be arranged so that each participant is surrounded by two potential enemies. the argument about who is or is not a Cylon transforms into an argument about how the formation should change. (commercial)
- they finally emerge into a larger room and resume their hexagon showdown shape. but the cylons attack and it's condition 1 so they all have to go back to their stations so that they can be ready to point their gun at someone else's head

ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Karl Malone), Monday, 8 December 2014 19:57 (five years ago) link

Don't forget flashbacks to troubling memories from someone's past.

jmm, Monday, 8 December 2014 20:06 (five years ago) link

the particular way that religion is used to drive the story is annoying. i'm cool with the quest for earth, but i don't like how it's actually executed. there's no logic to it.

I don't want to spoil anything, but you should ne prepared to feel this way a lot more as the series goes on... :(

Tuomas, Monday, 8 December 2014 20:11 (five years ago) link

"ne" = "be"

Tuomas, Monday, 8 December 2014 20:11 (five years ago) link

yeah, i'm definitely expecting/dreading it.

ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Karl Malone), Monday, 8 December 2014 20:14 (five years ago) link

There's a transcript somewhere of a roundtable with a lot of the cast and writers that they did while the show was still going. As I recall, Jaime Bamber very forcefully argued that the show had made a terrible mistake humanizing the Cylons, and basically everyone agreed that "33" was the high point of the show and they were never going to do anything that worked quite as well.

JoeStork, Monday, 8 December 2014 21:26 (five years ago) link

that sounds too good to be true

Nhex, Monday, 8 December 2014 21:37 (five years ago) link

I doubt "it was all downhill from the first episode" was a genuinely popular opinion to espouse on-set

Οὖτις, Monday, 8 December 2014 21:38 (five years ago) link

33 definitely was the most effective episode. It's too bad, they probably could have done a few episodes about that first crucial flight from the Cylons.

jmm, Monday, 8 December 2014 21:51 (five years ago) link

three weeks pass...

just finished rapture (season 3, battlesode 12).

so everyone is super religious now. fuck. one one hand it occasionally leads to interesting results. i don't mind the cylon religious stuff so much, with lucy lawless trying to see the faces of the five, and gaius on his messianic journey (i enjoy thinking about his entire storyline as taking place entirely in his narcissistic genius mind, insanely eating itself). but chief having a religious experience while searching for the eye of jupiter? barf sandwich. and even seemingly non-religious characters like lee buying into it (the whole intense firefight with the cylons is necessary because they're trying to stall while chief searches for a religious icon). it's just really, really bad, and as the show goes on it dedicates more and more time to it.

i don't ask for much. i only want three things. i want to watch adama and his crew battle/run away from cylons. i want to watch the cylons do things on their (super bright, oversaturated) ship. i want to watch the humans and cylons struggle with themselves over what it means to be having babies together. that's it. i rue the day that roslin saw the light. i hate watching chief gradually turn into the vice-president of his local Promisekeepers group. i hate learning that starbuck is a cosmic gamechanger foretold by scripture. i hate listening to lee bark out "we have to hold this position til chief finds the eye of jupiter!!!" to the people around him without him following up with "...wait am i high? wtf are we doing here"

♪♫_\o/_♫♪ (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 30 December 2014 16:55 (five years ago) link

i know i'm repeating myself. sorry.

has anyone seen Caprica?

♪♫_\o/_♫♪ (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 30 December 2014 16:58 (five years ago) link

Yes. It was okay, and then it got canceled.

carl agatha, Tuesday, 30 December 2014 16:58 (five years ago) link

I liked Caprica. Always mean to finish it up on Netflix, missed the last 6 or so episodes. bear in mind it's nothing like BSG, more of a soap opera using the young BSG universe as a backdrop. No space stuff, lots of junk about terrorism, robots and Strange Days.

Nhex, Tuesday, 30 December 2014 17:06 (five years ago) link

Hated Caprica, couldnt get into it

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 30 December 2014 17:29 (five years ago) link

Hated all the dumb ethnic/tribal stuff ("Taurans drive like THIS")

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 30 December 2014 17:32 (five years ago) link

Caprica gets ok toward then end and then is immediately cancelled

valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 30 December 2014 17:45 (five years ago) link

Yeah, that was my feeling, too. It was just starting to get its bearings and then it was gone.

carl agatha, Tuesday, 30 December 2014 17:50 (five years ago) link

don't worry, some of the actors have redistributed to other Vancouver-shot science fiction shows

valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 30 December 2014 17:51 (five years ago) link

yeah the last few episodes of Caprica got really interesting and then *blip* gone :(

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 31 December 2014 03:01 (five years ago) link

Just got to Season 4. well THAT completely sucked me in again.

♪♫_\o/_♫♪ (Karl Malone), Thursday, 8 January 2015 19:37 (five years ago) link

five years pass...

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