GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

i would suggest comparing this to the "grand unironic gesture" of the dancing on my own jumping around bit or the "all adventurous girls do" tweet
those are corny and po faced but they fit into the characters and their arcs much better and more honestly imo
maybe it's a question of how broad the statement is? something small and personal resonates more than a "everybody works out their relationship issues with one conversation" + sweeping score move

yeah fair enough

I rarely read something as wrong as this.

lol agreed, with one exception:
"In this episode, we learn that — even if she’s not friend enough to crawl under the bed and drag Hannah out — Marnie still has a key to the apartment. It’s sad that she and Hannah can’t commiserate about their awful year, and I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t a little annoyed there wasn’t any female solidarity in the finale. Instead, we get a screencap from Hannah’s computer: “A friendship between college girls is grander and more dramatic than any romance ... ”"

I'm not sure this final episode passed the bechdel test!

hannah didn't even talk to her mother iirc

and that's one place where i smell the influence of apatow

Yeah, this show could use a bit more of the Girls just shooting the shit and being funny together.

This is cool, but if it came out that a man wrote this episode they'd get tons of shit for writing such dumb dependent female characters.

I think I agree with pat finn up above; everybody's being set up for the fall

the finale episode was co-written by apatow and dunham

Totally. Adam is still an unhinged creep. And lemme guess - next year Charlie's gonna get screwed out of his company, and Marnie's gonna dump him "for totally unrelated reasons."

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xp i agree that this reset is a set up for further drama of the same kind next season, that's clearly the purpose
but it's an old and pointless contrivance. the characters could grow and develop closer into grownuphood instead of looping them in the groundhog day of eventual made-for-syndication bullshittery that the hamster wheel refix provides.
basically i want more "one man's trash" episodes and less continuity horseplay

given the fact that many of these characters seem motivated and constrained by certain notions of a "script" (domesticity, being an artist, success) i almost think that last scene was really on point and hilarious (and it's allowed to be touching at the same time). I dunno, I'm not that cynical about it. something can be moving and bullshit at the same time.

― ryan, Monday, March 18, 2013 1:34 PM (59 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah, this - feel like hannah's arc was sort of about the deconstruction of the successful freelance artist script? or maybe that in itself is a wellworn rut, idk. def know some freelancers irl who I'm like, damn, not that glamorous huh. feel like dunham is self-aware + smart enough about narrative and genre that she knows where she's pointing the ship with this final episode.

http://hollywoodcrush.mtv.com/2013/03/15/girls-season-two-finale/

"I'm very proud of the season finale," Judd said by phone earlier this week. "I co-wrote it with Lena [Dunham], and you know, the last three episodes are almost like a three-part mini-series. I think it has a beautiful ending, and I think people are really going to like it."

i rather think apatow knows where he's pointing the ship and it's to chaching town

i dont think ive watched enough apatow to be the apatow whisperer and to know the mark of his scent but if u say so

i kinda have and i don't mean to be the apatow whisperer, just saying that this show has some wild leaps of narrative vision and scripting voice, often within the same episode and i feel like i can discern which voices are which
i don't think apatow is forcing dunham anywhere she doesn't wanna go; this is her second season on a runaway success and she's trying to write a book so i think she's doing some episodes as experiments for her, doing a lot of direction and exploring and apatow is helping keep the project on the rails. he's not faust, he's just kinda uninterestingly conventional when he's the one with both hands on the wheel imo

anyway when shosh went off @ ray i stung a lil inside, i hate colors too

can we get a Thomas-John spinoff?

I would actively not-watch that.

wish they had just let him speak in his normal accent and not a strangled at American

*attempt at

hannah's phone call to jessa was also pretty good

zosia mamet is a really good actress btw; she's made the most out of every scene this season and she hasn't had a lot to work with

cosign. consistently one of the most enjoyable performances on the show.

When Marnie said the thing about "Little brown babies" it was a huge turnoff for me on so many levels.

And yes the part at the end where she walks by Adam running through the streets, I thought we were one crossfade away from a smartphone ad.

I thought that was a tremendously lame last five minutes (ironic or not) to an otherwise terrific season. Mamet is still amazing 'tho.

still love this show but the second half of this season didn't do it for me

what the fuck was that vulture recap

I think Hannah needs to get on and write her goddam book. I find that failure to do the only thing she's good at more agonising than anything else. Adam's last line should have been: "Write your fucking book kid."

And yes the part at the end where she walks by Adam running through the streets,

I totally didn't even notice that

Obviously she needs to get on but I found her paralysis totally relatable - at least, I had a similar thing happen to me a long time ago - a big opportunity (writing for the newly released Berliner Guardian) that I basically screwed up due to worry and procrastination. (In the end, that was partially what led to my quitting journalism - I'm much happier now!)

It'd be a little too self-congratulatory to Lena to have Hannah actually write anything

less so than every male authority figure in the show telling her what a great writer she is?

holy shit i had no idea the utter utter lack of dues that allison williams paid before landing a lead role on a prestigious show: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allison_Williams_(actress)

A) go to yale. B) get on youube. C) ??? D) Profit

getting a role on a small TV show on a cable channel by a first-time TV writer = paying your dues

She's obv good enough for the role so why does it matter

not even theater, not even bit parts. just a college comedy troupe --> critically lauded premium cable.

people care about that?

sterling that stuff was already hashed out in the first 1000 posts itt

i remember it in general strokes but i didn't realize quite how totally out of nowhere williams was cast.

well, she's good in it so what does it matter?

she had a prominent (ie duplass gf of the week i think) role in an episode of the league (held her own), played kate middleton in some miniseries also apparently.

lena dunham should have cast maggie smith in the role of marnie

fuckin lol

aside from hannah leaving jessa a msg and shosh goin' off on ray i really hated this tbh

it was boring