those are her real tats, yes.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 02:02 (twelve years ago) link
man idk about this. it was ok but pretty bleak, yeah. i have an overactive cringe reflex so it wasn't really enjoyable viewing. i guess i liked ms williams the best? lol bourgie, sue me. the guy playing her hapless boyfriend was a champ.
― goole, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:29 (twelve years ago) link
I watched a bit of this on youtube, and I think if it were a bunch of slacker dudes (or I should say, another show about a bunch of slacker dudes) it'd be getting a pass (more or a pass?). Dunno if I blame sexism or what. I do know that the main girl reminds me a lot of Greta Gerwig in "Greenberg." This sort of passive and awkward "oh, and now this is happening to me" character.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:36 (twelve years ago) link
o jesus greenberg
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:37 (twelve years ago) link
shirtless dude was pretty horrifying in basically every way I can imagine
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:38 (twelve years ago) link
wait I thought ppl basically liked this
― iatee, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:39 (twelve years ago) link
he was the only person who was enjoyably, watchably awful
i don't think i "liked" it but i don't think it was bad
― goole, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:40 (twelve years ago) link
ha everyone seemed like the villain characters in a romcom starring other people
― goole, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:41 (twelve years ago) link
hah
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:41 (twelve years ago) link
that is an excellent premiss, you should get in touch w/ms dunham and tell her to start describing the show that way, maybe table can pass it along
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:42 (twelve years ago) link
i liked, i guess i was bracing for something more misanthropic or horrible or something?
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:53 (twelve years ago) link
― goole, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:41 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:53 (twelve years ago) link
― goole, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:40 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post
i don't get this though; he was the worst to watch!
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 04:03 (twelve years ago) link
I just got into a long text argument with a friend about this.
I like the chemistry of Dunham and the shirtless dude. It looked like they had a history, like they give each other shit a lot. Even though he's definitely insensitive and pretentious and kind of scummy, he's also ironical about it and it's like he's being emotionally defensive as much as he's being a straight dick. His emotional distance fits her in a way. The way that not-so-fat-anymore line was directed was clever, the way it was covered up and made slightly ambiguous. There are a lot of lines in the show like that, where they're covered up by rapport and verbal chemistry and history, so that the lines fit in the characters' lives and aren't just "lines."
I like how even though she seems kind of naive, she's also always fucking with people in this impish way. She's a likable antihero.
Some parts didn't work, some of the writing was canned. I didn't mind by the end of the episode.
The domesticity of the girls' lives was convincing, too. Dunham and her skinny brunette gf pulled off the intimacy of sharing a tub without looking too cute.
Not funny, but witty and amusing. It's like the jokes are diegetic jokes, meant to work in their world but not in ours.
― bamcquern, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 04:11 (twelve years ago) link
xp my friend is a woman and she hated the sex scene so much. He has an odd face and voice.
― bamcquern, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 04:12 (twelve years ago) link
he was gross
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 04:21 (twelve years ago) link
For some reason the funniest thing to me was the hand and arm motion the Williams girls made to direct her boyfriend out of the bathroom.
― ryan, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 05:26 (twelve years ago) link
girl*
― ryan, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 05:27 (twelve years ago) link
I just watched this, liked it, don't like to judge new shows based on the pilots so will carry on watching. To me the idea of parents paying... all your bills? everything? once you've left home is just totally, totally alien. You might go live with your parents once you've left college or maybe they'd help out with rent but pay for everything? I guess it's a bit more the norm in the US? Whatever.
How on earth is the Williams girl not related to Jennifer Carpenter?? I thought I was on a roll after watching Deadwood and noticing that Cy Tolliver and one of the whores have identical faces then finding out they're father & daughter IRL...
― kinder, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 05:28 (twelve years ago) link
Not even remotely the norm.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 05:43 (twelve years ago) link
im increasingly grossed out by the conflation of "degrading sex" and anal sex in this episode.
― judith, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 10:38 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, not the norm at all. I'm an only child and was admittedly pretty spoiled but my parents would have laughed their asses off at the idea of supporting me totally after college. If I needed their help every now and they were happy to give it but they never would have just paid all my bills for me no questions asked. I do know a bunch of people who had this kind of arrangement but it's still def not the norm.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 10:39 (twelve years ago) link
oops x-post
I should have said couple not bunch, I think.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 10:44 (twelve years ago) link
i thought it was mean that they wouldn't even pay for her cell phonei liked the creepy guy. not that i liked him but that he was truly hard to watch.
― kneel aurmstrong (harbl), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 10:56 (twelve years ago) link
I just saw Ms Dunham in a bit as a nurse in Todd Haynes' Mildred Pierce
(only knew from the credits)
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:32 (twelve years ago) link
haha the clingy soft bf reminded me of myself in an uncomfortable way
― max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:40 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i'm looking forward to feeling sadly deflated by the continued poor fortunes of this guy, he came on screen & i was all well what a nice young man!. there's a bit in an interview w/LD where she talks about like, 'the nice guy versus the tough guy' or whatever, which i can't really begin to imagine the dynamics of but which might be one of the more interesting aspects of the portrayal of guys on the show. poor lil dreamboat.
― john-claude van donne (schlump), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:32 (twelve years ago) link
i want someone to plant small exploding morning kisses on my cheek
― john-claude van donne (schlump), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:33 (twelve years ago) link
Her getting cut off by her parents is just a set-up for a future peripatetic premise, wherein she travels the country helping people while in search for a job and lifestyle that fit her, like a millennial "Highway to Heaven." Just you watch.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:47 (twelve years ago) link
went ahead and made that iron man poster
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2obcx0WR61qzpiyuo1_500.jpg
― da croupier, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:50 (twelve years ago) link
you should really rewatch this episode bc it's clear that you didn't understand the basic facts of what occurred in it
― Mordy, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:55 (twelve years ago) link
This in interesting and related: http://www.theawl.com/2012/04/women-writers-new-york
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:56 (twelve years ago) link
i don't read any articles with "writers" and "new york" in the URL
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 12:50 (twelve years ago) link
I confess ... can't read. *sniffs* I was hoping one of you would read that for me and tell me if it was interesting or related.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 12:51 (twelve years ago) link
good news its a cat youtube
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 12:54 (twelve years ago) link
I thought this was pretty great. Loved how it subverted so many conventions of "friends in the city" TV series.
― Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 13:09 (twelve years ago) link
― horseshoe, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:03 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i think because he was the worst one as-written? and that actor played a little more broadly than the rest of the cast. "...nobody's fuuucking slaaaave" etc
― goole, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 13:48 (twelve years ago) link
Watched last night and have lots of thoughts about it which I'll try to express in a semi-comprehensible way.
*The tone of the show is strangely affectless. Not sure if that is a stylistic choice or the result of sub-par acting.
*This lead to me not having particularly strong feelings about any part. The parents didn't seem particularly mean and the sex scene with the shirtless guy wasn't nearly as painful as I had expected, after all it was basically Hannah's booty call.
*There was very little plot there: things happened and then other things happened. Not much of an arc for a sitcom.
*We know very little about the various main characters, who they are, why they hang out with each other. The one "innocent" friend only appeared for about 30 seconds.
*Was surprised by how closely their personality types match up with the SATC model.
*Really did not like the uptight "best friend" character. Felt her treatment of the "nice" boyfriend was way worse than his behavior, although his habit of randomly entering bathrooms was way more obnoxious than his wishy-washyness.
*The food scenes (spaghetti, cupcake) were clearly there for their humor content. I don't think they were supposed to be saying something about her body image or self-esteem. It seemed much more like here's a girl who likes herself a cupcake is darned well going to eat one in the bath just because she can.
*My favorite part was Hannah's opium induced freak out. I loved the fakeness and silliness of it.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 13:55 (twelve years ago) link
The McDonald's contrarian was so perfect.
― Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 13:55 (twelve years ago) link
Felt her treatment of the "nice" boyfriend was way worse than his behavior
I think that was the point
― Number None, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 13:57 (twelve years ago) link
no way that guy was a drip
― goole, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 13:58 (twelve years ago) link
i think it's a little of both, but it's definitely mean of the best friend to be repulsed by him and not end it. she's great, though.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 14:00 (twelve years ago) link
I mean it was a good illustration of that time in a relationship when its failing and everything the other person does puts you off. In fact the nicer they are the more horrible you are to them
― Number None, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 14:01 (twelve years ago) link
sure, but it made me wonder what it was about the best friend character we were supposed to find sympathetic. I don't get how she fits in to this show or why she is best friends with Hannah, who is a much more likeable and interesting person.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 14:01 (twelve years ago) link
last night a female friend told me that this show is amazing.
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 15:30 (twelve years ago) link
well, I guesss I have to watch the pilot!
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 15:43 (twelve years ago) link
obvious sympathetic-ness is overrated
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 16:14 (twelve years ago) link
definitely
― Number None, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 16:16 (twelve years ago) link
column a, column b, etc.
― some former lust object you've shamefully forgotten (some dude), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 16:32 (twelve years ago) link
That's part of why it reminded me of a female version of Cassavetes, in the way that the scenes have unusual rhythms. Also because Dunham looks so normal/nautral.
― caro's johnson (Eazy), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 17:15 (twelve years ago) link