GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

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So it seemed like a few people on ILX did not like Tiny Furniture, but I did, I like Lena and I am really anticipating GIRLS. No doubt we'll talk about all this here as we anticipate the show and all try to look smart (I'm smart, btw).
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killa amc (admrl), Saturday, 24 March 2012 12:35 (six years ago) Permalink

I guess we can talk about this too: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/05/lena-dunham-weight_n_1321414.html

Obviously that story itself is not interesting or special (jn fact it is idiotic), but it does raise some larger questions worth considering although goodness knows we should be more evolved than this by now

killa amc (admrl), Saturday, 24 March 2012 12:38 (six years ago) Permalink

Wanna be appalled? go to the criterion forum and read the Tiny Furniture thread. Total fanboy meltdown.

Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 24 March 2012 12:46 (six years ago) Permalink

ok i just read a few pages of this^ and suddenly i want to become her biggest champion

althea and (donna rouge), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:25 (six years ago) Permalink

(i haven't seen anything she's done tho)

althea and (donna rouge), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:26 (six years ago) Permalink

still haven't seen tiny furniture; need to get on that. read two paragraphs of that story about the complaint about her weight. couldn't read any further.

horseshoe, Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:27 (six years ago) Permalink

criterion fandorks who complain about WHY ARE THEY RELEASING X FILM AND NOT Y?!?! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE = shut up shut up shut up you are the fucking worst

althea and (donna rouge), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:32 (six years ago) Permalink

I didn't really care for Tiny Furniture on the whole. Lena Dunham seemed like someone who's talented but (unsurprisingly) a little too solipsistic to adequately wield her talent. I'll give her show a shot in the hope that she's matured a bit.

Arnold Drummond, Process Server (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:46 (six years ago) Permalink

Tiny furniture is one of those movies with about zero sympathetic characters. And I really couldn't figure out if I was actually supposed to think that or not.

lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:54 (six years ago) Permalink

I liked Tiny Furniture and am looking forward to this show.

polyphonic, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:26 (six years ago) Permalink

I agree completely, chinavision. And I think Dunham was at least canny enough for that to have been intentional. I just don't think she was canny enough to make the overall experience appealing or thought-provoking enough for me to like the film.

Arnold Drummond, Process Server (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:39 (six years ago) Permalink

I do want to give her props on a number of fronts. I just can't give her props for cohering those fronts into a particularly good movie.

Arnold Drummond, Process Server (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:40 (six years ago) Permalink

totally dug tiny furniture

max, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:58 (six years ago) Permalink

i sympathized with most of the characters in tiny furniture? i mean they did a lot of stupid shit but no one was really hateful, besides i guess the two guys.

max, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:58 (six years ago) Permalink

guardian interview - http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2012/mar/23/lena-dunham-tiny-furniture-emma-brockes

just sayin, Saturday, 24 March 2012 21:09 (six years ago) Permalink

I'm seriously hyped about this; she's way funnier and more clever than she has any right to be.

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:22 (six years ago) Permalink

i also got a little crush on her y cuz she's smart

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:23 (six years ago) Permalink

Watched Tiny Furniture on the weekend. It's the kind of thing i normally hate but she won me over by the end.

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:53 (six years ago) Permalink

tiny furniture is pretty interesting. i thought it would be funny but kinda frothy, and instead i thought it said some pretty interesting things, way more than it was an amusing film. like (SPOILERS, I GUESS) the more it committed to refusing the sweet narrative arc you'd expect to unkink & take over - her remembering how lovely Frankie was, or arriving at some kind of agreeable romantic situation - the more it seemed like good, lacerating, self-loathing criticism of dumb, shortsighted early life blundering.

the nyer profile from a while back is good reading also

john-claude van donne (schlump), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:02 (six years ago) Permalink

just watched 'tiny furniture' and was surprised by how much i (and especially my gf) enjoyed it.

40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:07 (six years ago) Permalink

the pipe scene was the clincher

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:08 (six years ago) Permalink

yeah, agreed.
the pat on the thigh from spent dude was just painfully real.

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:18 (six years ago) Permalink

i channel surfed through Tiny Furniture for a few minutes recently and could barely stand it, the direction/acting was like kevin smith-level bad

ferrante's inferranteno (some dude), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:21 (six years ago) Permalink

"In the street?"
"No, worse than that"

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:22 (six years ago) Permalink

Dunham is curating a mini-fest where i work called Hey, girlfriend. bummed i missed mulholland drive last night (one of her picks)

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:23 (six years ago) Permalink

at least i have seen it on the big screen b4 tho

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:24 (six years ago) Permalink

twice actually!

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:25 (six years ago) Permalink

haven't seen any of her stuff, she's doing several days of film 'presenting' at BAM, tonight w/ Whit Stillman.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:26 (six years ago) Permalink

i sympathized with most of the characters in tiny furniture?

haha me too

i saw one of the episodes on the weekend it was... idk, im p excited to watch them properly but it was a bit of a mess. theres a lot of ambivalence in general i guess

Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:27 (six years ago) Permalink

Tiny Furniture was horrific but she might do okay in a TV format. As long as she's not directing.

Simon H., Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:30 (six years ago) Permalink

oops hey i missed surm's posts, sorry.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:34 (six years ago) Permalink

some dude OTM about Tiny Furniture's filmmaking, but I also can't find it in myself to give a shit about the problems of an educated rich kid in this hard hard world of moving back into the 'rents multimillion dollar loft.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:27 (six years ago) Permalink

still going to give Girls a shot, maybe there will be characters who aren't hateable

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:28 (six years ago) Permalink

I think she's more self-aware than people who offer that criticism realize

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:30 (six years ago) Permalink

I think she is sorta cute and seems fun and smart

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:31 (six years ago) Permalink

"WKIW", as I believe you say

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:32 (six years ago) Permalink

Like the scene where she has the big argument with her mother and she's all "I'm 22 and i just graduated and i got my first job". I have to believe that was somewhat tongue in cheek

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:34 (six years ago) Permalink

I don't think it was, or that the entire movie was one big self-aware joke at the expense of overprivileged twentysomethings... but I'm not sure that it would improve things had that been her intention.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:36 (six years ago) Permalink

i like how the friend from ohio felt like a protagonist that wandered in from some other (slightly more conventional) movie

40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:38 (six years ago) Permalink

That's another thing. She tells her friend a day before she moves to New York that she's not going to move in with her, avoids all her calls, blows her off at the art thing cos that dude turns up etc. It has to be a joke, right?

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:40 (six years ago) Permalink

idk it's all part & parcel of being an actual horrible, spoiled 20-something

johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:41 (six years ago) Permalink

the character, not lena i mean

johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (six years ago) Permalink

I think there was a degree of self-awareness on display in Tiny Furniture, but probably not the degree of self-awareness that she might've had if she'd waited a couple more years to make it.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (six years ago) Permalink

Which is a lot of why I'm open to Girls being more "my thing".

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (six years ago) Permalink

its not a "joke" but it is "self-aware"

max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:44 (six years ago) Permalink

Yeah but she didn't. She made it when she was like 23/24 and it's pretty much ABOUT being that age.

xxp

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:44 (six years ago) Permalink

I mean, she was self-aware enough to not portray her character as a completely sympathetic protagonist (see: the treatment of her friend from Ohio) but I don't know that she was as aware of her character's/her own level of privilege as I would've liked.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (six years ago) Permalink

It's certainly no less self-aware than you might hope/expect given the age and status of the filmmaker.

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (six years ago) Permalink

Why does she have to apologize to you for being rich

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (six years ago) Permalink

a lot of how celebrities act now is most entertainment is being made by rich kids is how i break it down to an extent

The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:00 (one week ago) Permalink

but she's not literally hitler so stfu

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:01 (one week ago) Permalink

?

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:02 (one week ago) Permalink

he's being ironic

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:02 (one week ago) Permalink

Sounsa like Lena means that the guy accused told her stuff that wasn’t true. Headline is bad.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:04 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah, but she said she had privileged information which proved it wasn't true. She now admits she made that up.

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:05 (one week ago) Permalink

Think it through a bit more. I know he’s known for ironic posts but there’s a clear joke there and he makes fun of group think among people he politically agrees with all the time.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:06 (one week ago) Permalink

“While our first instinct is to listen to every woman’s story, our insider knowledge of Murray’s situation makes us confident that sadly this accusation is one of the 3 percent of assault cases that are misreported every year,” they wrote, concluding, “We stand by Murray and this is all we’ll be saying about this issue.”
Read more: https://forward.com/schmooze/415469/lena-dunham-apologizes-admits-she-lied-to-discredit-alleged-rape-victim/

“I didn’t have the ‘insider information’ I claimed but rather blind faith in a story that kept slipping and changing and revealed itself to mean nothing at all,”
Read more: https://forward.com/schmooze/415469/lena-dunham-apologizes-admits-she-lied-to-discredit-alleged-rape-victim/

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:06 (one week ago) Permalink

Xp not really

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:07 (one week ago) Permalink

Think it through a bit more. I know he’s known for ironic posts but there’s a clear joke there and he makes fun of group think among people he politically agrees with all the time.

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, December 6, 2018 12:06 PM (eight seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

his online personality is from the POV - feigned or real - of a trad cath and stalinist. he pillories the dsa regularly, usually in a clearly playful, but consistent manner

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:08 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah that means she believed her friend

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:08 (one week ago) Permalink

no you are bad at reading

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:09 (one week ago) Permalink

what does “I didn’t have the ‘insider information’ I claimed" mean in fucking centrist moron language?

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:09 (one week ago) Permalink

She’s not coming back Jim

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:10 (one week ago) Permalink

Xp “my friend privately assured me it wasn’t true”

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:11 (one week ago) Permalink

i feel like literally every single one of her myopic fuckups was eminently avoidable

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:12 (one week ago) Permalink

xp. “I didn’t have the ‘insider information’ I claimed but rather blind faith"

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:12 (one week ago) Permalink

Probably

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:12 (one week ago) Permalink

Her ability to repeatedly kick herself in the junk is incredible.

louise ck (milo z), Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:13 (one week ago) Permalink

Okay. “I believed my friend who privately assured me it wasn’t true” . “she made up stuff” is reaching.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:15 (one week ago) Permalink

She misrepresented the quality of the information she had, implying it was more than just a private assurance. It was bad so she apologized.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:16 (one week ago) Permalink

if you're going to defend her at least read what it actually says nerdstrom. She admitted that she lied. She claimed to have some kind of specific knowledge that she didn't actually have.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:16 (one week ago) Permalink

if nerdstrom isn't 51'd some day soon I'm going to... do nothing at all

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:16 (one week ago) Permalink

fp'd myself for troll feeding

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:17 (one week ago) Permalink

That’s very big of you Jim I appreciate that

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:31 (one week ago) Permalink

ironic revive given that I just re-watched the #metoo GIRLS episode (which was better than I remembered it tbh)

Οὖτις, Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:44 (one week ago) Permalink

was one of the best girls episodes imo, like many of the eps where dunham gets the writing credit

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:57 (one week ago) Permalink

the final shot of this parade of women going up to the guy's door was v good and maybe the only time the show deviated from its commitment to realism...?

Οὖτις, Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:11 (one week ago) Permalink

this is the thread where i finally agree nerdstrom is gabnebb

Bênoit Balls (stevie), Friday, 7 December 2018 14:27 (one week ago) Permalink

speaking of Dunham I'd been kind of enjoying Camping which she produces and cowrites and just learned that this was a UK show first. But I seem to be unable to find the British version in any streaming services or even in a torrent. Is it available anywhere?

akm, Friday, 7 December 2018 17:49 (one week ago) Permalink

I couldn't make it through the first episode of that. Had no idea there was a UK version.

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 December 2018 18:05 (one week ago) Permalink

The, actually good, UK version is on dailymotion (and seemingly nowhere else)

Search username 'couchtripper'

Number None, Friday, 7 December 2018 18:21 (one week ago) Permalink

But I seem to be unable to find the British version in any streaming services or even in a torrent.

It was made for Sky Atlantic, so is probably exclusive to their streaming service (which possibly only runs on hardware that you have to order from them in the UK?)

you can stream it illegally though

sans lep (sic), Friday, 7 December 2018 18:58 (one week ago) Permalink

xpost, had this tab open for an hour

sans lep (sic), Friday, 7 December 2018 18:58 (one week ago) Permalink

i haven't seen camping (uk) but julia davis is a genius

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 7 December 2018 19:09 (one week ago) Permalink

I'm still surprised no one stole it off Sky while running and threw files up on torrent sites though. Ok well this will work.

US version is not so bad though Jennifer Garner is the worst thing about it. Jennifer Lewis is amusing.

akm, Friday, 7 December 2018 19:26 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah, I couldn't take how insufferable Garner was

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 December 2018 19:27 (one week ago) Permalink

she's not suppose to be likable in any way shape or form so in that respect it works but still.

akm, Friday, 7 December 2018 19:34 (one week ago) Permalink

IDG the point of wholly unlikeable protagonists. Seems like it's just a defense mechanism for not actually knowing how to write a likeable protagonist.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 7 December 2018 19:48 (one week ago) Permalink

the only goal of a writing a protagonist is not likeability? it can also be an effective protagonist if you recognize yourself in them, and it's a unique type of success if you can make a wholly unlikeable character that your audience sees themself in. i'm not here to defend girls (altho i guess i liked parts of it) but the "why unlikeable protagonists" thing is a bit of a bugbear, like wishing everyone in wrestling was a babyface or something

teen heartthrob Pacey Winger (Will M.), Friday, 7 December 2018 19:59 (one week ago) Permalink

IDK where I said "the only goal of writing a protagonist is likeability." But "wholly unlikeable" is not something I want to see very often. It seems very navel-gazing to write too many protagonists like that, basically reveling in your moral faults.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 7 December 2018 20:08 (one week ago) Permalink

julia davis writes very black comedy and her characters are often horrible. i don't know if it will translate to american tv tbh. cf. how much more likable Michael Scott in the Office (US) is versus David Brent in the Office (UK).

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 7 December 2018 20:10 (one week ago) Permalink

I don't watch the US Office, but I kind of don't think of those characters as "protagonists."

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 7 December 2018 20:12 (one week ago) Permalink

But even the shows where you "laugh at" the assholes wear on me after a while. I guess I liked David Brent because he had a tragic quality. But I'm sort of tired of the "everyone's a self-involved asshole" formula for shows that seems to descend from Seinfeld through Arrested Development (even though that show was at times very funny) to Transparent, and maybe also It's Always Sunny from what I've heard (haven't watched).

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 7 December 2018 20:16 (one week ago) Permalink

it's always sunny is very much like the next level after seinfeld

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 7 December 2018 20:19 (one week ago) Permalink

it's also better than Seinfeld

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 December 2018 20:21 (one week ago) Permalink

Curb >>>

flappy bird, Friday, 7 December 2018 20:27 (one week ago) Permalink

There's probably a better thread for this but has anyone been watching the Julia Davis show "Sally4ever" on HBO? Last episode was something else

badg, Friday, 7 December 2018 21:43 (one week ago) Permalink

the poo one? that's where I stopped while binging this last night. I didn't think it was possible for me to still be shocked by something

akm, Monday, 10 December 2018 20:41 (one week ago) Permalink

Yep that's the one

badg, Monday, 10 December 2018 21:04 (one week ago) Permalink


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