salon vs. slate vs. atlantic

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giants of generalist internet magazines, 'newsfeedable', some good bloggers, some awful stuff

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slate 12
atlantic 11
salon 10


iatee, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:06 (eight years ago) link

Voted Slate b/c it's the only one I actually read on the regular. Funny to think of the Atlantic as an Internet magazine, even though it does seem to have made substantial inroads into the online world w/all of its blogs.

Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:10 (eight years ago) link

yeah I have a friend who works there and she says even she never sees the print mag, I know it still exists somewhere in theory, where these types of print mags exist

iatee, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:12 (eight years ago) link

Guy who used to be an intern in my office as a college student and was apparently a huge douche who acted like he ran the place is now an "associate editor" for TheAtlantic.com.

Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:16 (eight years ago) link

Greenwald, Pareene, Seitz, duh

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:17 (eight years ago) link

fuck the atlantic

horseshoe, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:17 (eight years ago) link

the cities section is pretty good, they found a good niche

iatee, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:18 (eight years ago) link

I was really into Salon ca. 1998-2002. The Garrison Keillor/Sarah Vowell years. Then they did that subscription experiment and I jumped ship. Kind of forgot about it altogether until ILX political threads started linking to Pareene and Greenwald articles.

Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:20 (eight years ago) link

okay, i didn't even know about the atlantic cities

horseshoe, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:21 (eight years ago) link

xp Like, the first "message board" I ever posted to was Salon's Table Talk. I mostly lurked on the film threads.

Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:21 (eight years ago) link

yeah, in my mind salon is a late 90s thing, stopped looking at it years ago when the pay thing became too much of a pain to wade thru.

buzza, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:23 (eight years ago) link

"mothers who think"

buzza, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:23 (eight years ago) link

http://www.slate.fr/

iatee, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:28 (eight years ago) link

fuck the atlantic

― horseshoe, Thursday, March 8, 2012 9:17 AM (10 minutes ago)

except when once in a while they run a neat piece, like once every two years

a serious minestrone rockist (remy bean), Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:29 (eight years ago) link

recently deleted bookmark on slate, really just a bunch of mediocre writing & groupthink/received ideas/convential wisdom imo

never cottoned to salon, it always seemed a bit too "alt-weekly" for my taste but the ilxor who writes on politics there is v good when i see links to his stuff

the atlantic i almost never read so idk

demolition with discretion (m coleman), Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:29 (eight years ago) link

salon the worst. paglia and greenwald, enough said. i still read it daily. slate the best, tho i miss shafer. and slate has the worst tv critic in the world.

Mordy, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:30 (eight years ago) link

Don't really read Atlantic apart from Sully; slate is still too corporate and some of the stuff on there is really of the magnets how the fuck do they work variety. Salon has some truly awful writers workin for them but the top politics dudes all raise it up imo

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:31 (eight years ago) link

all the arts criticism in slate is lame

demolition with discretion (m coleman), Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:32 (eight years ago) link

voted for the new yorker

Mr. Que, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:32 (eight years ago) link

Sully no longer at Atlantic

Mordy, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:32 (eight years ago) link

sorry yr right about that.

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:34 (eight years ago) link

atlantic def has the juice right now as far as being most internet, anyway they each have one guy who i read regularly, tho prob the atlantic has the most guys i read semi regularly, slate is good for bullshit factoid pieces, salon is kinda unbearable as far as their whole tone/culture, atlantic is more thinking smart thoughts abt the world by inhuman people who have been to lots of college and twitter but not the actual world, idk theyre all p good, voted atlantic just because they r best at leveraging social media

lag∞n, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:36 (eight years ago) link

the only one of these i ever read with any regularity was slate, but that was a while ago. remember dahlia lithwick fondly.

horseshoe, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:39 (eight years ago) link

I just wait for longform.org to cherry-pick shit from all of the above

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:47 (eight years ago) link

I really don't glance at Slate much these days unless someone links to an article. The quality of the writing has deteriorated now that it's got real competition.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:48 (eight years ago) link

I am amazed each of these sites makes enough money to pay lots of salaries and I wonder if tablet-culture is gonna make that harder. it'd prob be harder to put up a paywall today than it was in their failed-experiment days, there really are a lot of other places to go for 'this kinda stuff'. or maybe it's the opposite cause people are willing to pay for apps.

iatee, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:51 (eight years ago) link

eh i feel like they hit a sweet spot of quality/accessibility that looks easier than it is

lag∞n, Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:01 (eight years ago) link

paglia and greenwald, enough said.

Ha, is Paglia seriously still writing for Salon??

Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:01 (eight years ago) link

I like the Atlantic blogs but man the features are risible at best (tho the blogs are getting steadily worse).

if i judged solely based on how often i actually click through my RSS feed to read the actual article i'd have to say the Atlantic wins and Slate comes in last.

ryan, Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:03 (eight years ago) link

Even though I can't remember reading a single Slate piece in maybe a year, they get the vote for the Hang Up and Listen / Political Gabfest podcasts.

Spertify (CompuPost), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:07 (eight years ago) link

don't know what to vote for, none of them really have my loyalty or affection. maybe the atlantic? slate is prob the worst to me

goole, Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:08 (eight years ago) link

salon the worst. paglia and greenwald, enough said. i still read it daily

this made me lol

Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Thursday, 8 March 2012 18:09 (eight years ago) link

What the fuck is the deal with all the JFK conspiracy articles on Salon?

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 8 March 2012 19:33 (eight years ago) link

I only ever read the Atlantic in print, because my parents subscribed to it forever and have now bought me a gift subscription (likewise with Harper's). I did enjoy the recent issue on research into whether parasites from cats can alter our behavior. Had ~just~ enough tabloidness about it.

dan m, Thursday, 8 March 2012 19:38 (eight years ago) link

Also this great pic of the principal researcher:

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/coma/images/issues/201203/mcauliffe-wide.jpg

dan m, Thursday, 8 March 2012 19:39 (eight years ago) link

agl

goole, Thursday, 8 March 2012 19:40 (eight years ago) link

Every time I visit Slate they have some challopsy article featured, like "Why Beer is Better Warm than Cold"

President Keyes, Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:23 (eight years ago) link

I am amazed each of these sites makes enough money to pay lots of salaries and I wonder if tablet-culture is gonna make that harder. it'd prob be harder to put up a paywall today than it was in their failed-experiment days, there really are a lot of other places to go for 'this kinda stuff'. or maybe it's the opposite cause people are willing to pay for apps.

― iatee, Thursday, March 8, 2012 12:51 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

atlantic has that "ideas conf." though it makes a legit profit on its own im pretty sure, likely thru smart web strategy
slate is owned by wapo/kaplan and i dont think would make a profit otherwise
salon im pretty sure has until very recently been on the brink of complete failure though i guess theyve turned around in the last 6mo/1yr

max, Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:25 (eight years ago) link

anyway i dont really have a strong feeling. atlantic is probably the best designed. salon has more of my favorite writers.

max, Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:25 (eight years ago) link

rly wonder abt the money side of all of these, esp salon

i'm amazed at the comment box action salon gets.

goole, Friday, 9 March 2012 00:09 (eight years ago) link

salon -- the only one of these i check every day, obv for greenwald but their political coverage is generally pretty good. i almost never read online comments but the threads on their advice columnist's posts (which usually contain no actual advice and are kind of like garrison keillor on acid or something) are invariably entertaining. andrew o'hehir is way less hateable than the zacharek/taylor terrible twosome.

slate -- kind of totally hate it, literally cannot remember ever reading a single memorable article there, except for those 'random fact' pieces like 'so whatever happened to that hole in the ozone layer'?

atlantic -- i actually had a subscription for a year, which is more than long enough to notice that all their cover stories sound exactly the same. good articles here and there, of course.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 9 March 2012 00:11 (eight years ago) link

I am amazed each of these sites makes enough money to pay lots of salaries

i always wonder how much they pay their writers

lex pretend, Friday, 9 March 2012 00:48 (eight years ago) link

does that really annoying mommy blog lady still write for salon? ayelet waldman? i used to read salon in the early 00s just to be annoyed by her.

sarahell, Friday, 9 March 2012 01:17 (eight years ago) link

if slate can't break even what good is it to wapo?

iatee, Friday, 9 March 2012 01:21 (eight years ago) link

i dont read any of these and thought the atlantic was a 'magazine'

Lamp, Friday, 9 March 2012 01:26 (eight years ago) link

well wapo cant break even either

lag∞n, Friday, 9 March 2012 01:27 (eight years ago) link

yeah i guess slate is prob a better long term bet than a newspaper

iatee, Friday, 9 March 2012 01:29 (eight years ago) link

Every time I visit Slate they have some challopsy article featured, like "Why Beer is Better Warm than Cold"

― President Keyes, Thursday, March 8, 2012 4:23 PM (3 hours ago)

ha!

Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Friday, 9 March 2012 03:02 (eight years ago) link

Until looking at this poll I am p sure I thought slate and salon were the same thing. Same looking websites! Same looking name!

Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Friday, 9 March 2012 03:03 (eight years ago) link

Like thank god slate is not on trial and I'm not an eyewitness testimony.

Abarham Lincoln posing (Abbbottt), Friday, 9 March 2012 03:04 (eight years ago) link

The Huffington Post is a progressive news site. It is only a matter of time before some of their employees ask to unionize. Will Arianna Huffington, a good liberal, support their request?

Buzzfeed has publicly stated its commitment to a variety of progressive ideals. It is only a matter of time before some of its employees ask to unionize. Will Ben Smith and Jonah Peretti support their request?

aaaaah you fuckin guy

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 31 July 2015 20:44 (four years ago) link

WGE and my org are jockeying for the same places, and hamno just gave their organizing committees a big WGE wink and a nudge

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 31 July 2015 20:48 (four years ago) link

ha, crazy

flopson, Friday, 31 July 2015 20:55 (four years ago) link

hell ya

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 1 August 2015 22:53 (four years ago) link

will union labor decrease the quality of Orange Is The New Black thinkpieces? A Vox explainer

Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 2 August 2015 20:41 (four years ago) link

i'm just glad it shook out right, this has been some bullshit

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 3 August 2015 06:21 (four years ago) link

salon is an OG 90's-era west coast internet property; resistance to collective solidarity isn't surprising in the least

goole, Monday, 3 August 2015 17:08 (four years ago) link

fucking rich technohippies

goole, Monday, 3 August 2015 17:08 (four years ago) link

salon can't have that much money, maybe at one point when it was the future of journalism, today it's a miracle it's still around

iatee, Monday, 3 August 2015 18:44 (four years ago) link

I mean a terrible miracle mostly

iatee, Monday, 3 August 2015 18:45 (four years ago) link

and lo on the seventh night the clickbait still burned

where the sterls have no name (s.clover), Monday, 3 August 2015 19:16 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

http://i.imgur.com/RdADR4M.gif

welltris (crüt), Monday, 14 September 2015 17:53 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

http://i.imgur.com/u96OJgU.png

mookieproof, Wednesday, 4 November 2015 22:51 (four years ago) link

that reads like it's by the vox dude who dislikes eating

j., Wednesday, 4 November 2015 23:12 (four years ago) link

three weeks pass...

How to stop writing for The Atlantic

The piece that got him blackballed is pointless and vapid, ftr.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 30 November 2015 16:45 (four years ago) link

couldn't have happened to a more deserving writer imo

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 30 November 2015 18:55 (four years ago) link

lol at him characterizing his incredibly nasty and smug remarks in that piece as "i mentioned in passing..."

anything that means less of his shitty and worthless writing on the internet is a good development

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 30 November 2015 18:57 (four years ago) link

I was trying to think of anything he'd written that I could remember reading prior to this - came up empty.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 30 November 2015 19:23 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

http://i.imgur.com/avoatxf.png

mookieproof, Friday, 15 January 2016 16:37 (four years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZ0Sv3DWIAAAkvO.jpg

mookieproof, Thursday, 28 January 2016 15:48 (four years ago) link

three weeks pass...

lol lol

Al Jazeera America has removed the satirical piece originally posted on this link, which included commentary on our company that we believe was not appropriate given its imminent closure.

denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 25 February 2016 20:07 (four years ago) link

nooooooooooooooooooo!!!

lmao it was so good

goole, Thursday, 25 February 2016 20:10 (four years ago) link

surely if anything al-jazeera's imminent closure is what made it appropriate

anyway no right to be forgotten

denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 25 February 2016 20:14 (four years ago) link

five months pass...

salon about to become faintly ridiculous in a different way

http://www.politico.com/media/story/2016/08/new-salon-very-different-from-the-old-salon-004705

goole, Friday, 12 August 2016 17:53 (three years ago) link

Can't possibly be worse

Mordy, Friday, 12 August 2016 18:02 (three years ago) link

oh sure it could!

goole, Friday, 12 August 2016 18:21 (three years ago) link

four months pass...

i honestly can't tell the difference between slate and onion headlines anymore:

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2016/12/i_am_glad_the_harlem_deer_is_dead.html

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 19 December 2016 22:33 (three years ago) link

that's really an all-time headline.

feels more clickhole tbh.

the klosterman weekend (s.clover), Monday, 19 December 2016 22:55 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4Vc9pAWEAArVcf.jpg

mookieproof, Friday, 10 February 2017 22:16 (three years ago) link

http://imgur.com/KY3Duj1.jpg

Mordy, Monday, 13 February 2017 01:48 (three years ago) link

eleven months pass...

new slate website design is extremely ugly

Mordy, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 16:03 (two years ago) link

The Atlantic, by a fair margin.

dinnerboat, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 16:04 (two years ago) link

atm atlantic is the best of the 3 but they're all really bad i don't visit any regularly any more

Mordy, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 16:06 (two years ago) link

nine months pass...

Should Jews separate anti-Semitism from politics? https://t.co/zMNxsyBKRd pic.twitter.com/zSJSXJPmWi

— Slate (@Slate) November 1, 2018

mookieproof, Thursday, 1 November 2018 16:05 (one year ago) link

pardon?

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Thursday, 1 November 2018 18:32 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

slate really should stop publishing anything

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/03/pete-buttigieg-gay-diversity-white-male-candidate.html

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 29 March 2019 21:35 (one year ago) link

they're only good for dear prudence any more

cheese canopy (map), Friday, 29 March 2019 21:38 (one year ago) link

Wow these three sites have been ILX’s collective punching bag. This thread is just seven years worth of bitching. Why is it every time a site gets redesigned everyone hates it?

Mr. Snrub, Friday, 29 March 2019 23:44 (one year ago) link

i wouldn't have expected a white knight for salon, slate and the atlantic to appear at this hour and for that white knight to be mr. snrub

cheese canopy (map), Friday, 29 March 2019 23:51 (one year ago) link

xp every redesign is a betrayal

j., Saturday, 30 March 2019 00:01 (one year ago) link

it's sad, it was an american century

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D30q0pvXkAIxSPx.jpg:small

mookieproof, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 21:52 (one year ago) link

my fuckin dentist

rat bastard

j., Wednesday, 10 April 2019 21:56 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

The Atlantic is cutting 68 staffers - 17% of the total. Imagine having a staff of 400 and not being able to produce anything better than The Atlantic.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 21 May 2020 14:00 (six days ago) link

The shrinking of media jobs is depressing but if it must happen...

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 14:48 (six days ago) link

That's too bad. I don't usually think much of the Atlantic but they've been rocking their pandemic coverage imo.

The fillyjonk who believed in pandemics (Lily Dale), Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:22 (six days ago) link

i guess laurene powell jobs ran out of money : /

mookieproof, Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:23 (six days ago) link


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