❀ the cult of: ➥motivational speakers ➥life coaches ➥personal growth gurus ➥new-age charlatans ➥AWESOMENESS FEST

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This is a long, dark & deep rabbit hole that I've been tumbling down since i decided to google a few names that showed up on BH Ideas and Megacycles.

It started with Sean Stephenson, who despite being a 3' tall handicapped dude seems like a pretty legit motivational speaker:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAibh3SqRUo

then i came across a pair of youtubes of his proposal to his fiance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3Q_XE7j9PA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V51wUDoiE9g

and i ended up on her site:

http://i.imgur.com/meJj7.jpg

I coach. I take a holistic approach to coaching (mind, body, spirit, your connection to nature, etc…) You see, every aspect of our lives is interwoven, so I’ll come from all angles to help you really rock your life.

Nothing lights me up like witnessing a client break through limiting beliefs and grab hold of his or her dreams. Coming from the heart-center is the key to living your best life.

I pull from my experience as a coach and mentor, education and various trainings. These are some of the practices I’ve studied: meditation, Jungian psychology, dream analysis, chakra therapy, creativity, therapeutic nutrition, breath work, intuition, death & grief therapy, shamanism, world religions & spirituality.

After kind of loling @ "oh yeah, life coaches are a thing!" and poking around at a few more youtubes and websites, I soon ended up at the website of an event called AWESOMENESS FEST:

http://i.imgur.com/9Vkst.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmql7PIaP34

and from there the floodgates opened.....

Awesomeness Fest is put on by a Kuala Lumpur based company called called... wait for it... MINDVALLEY. The guy in the video is the company's founder and CEO. His name is Vishen Lakhiani and he has a few more websites.

Mindvalley has a pretty slick looking website, as does Awesomeness Fest, and both have well maintained Facebook pages. But you have to really try hard to find out what the fuck they actually do:

http://i.imgur.com/idLyk.png

Basically, as best I can tell, the end result is post-The Secret shlock, mixed with ILX-documented social media assholes, and a sort of Scientology-for-pussies, feel-good & make money vibe that is ultimately meaningless and without any quantitative value to any sane adult. One minute they're talking meditation and the next minute its wealth-building. Yoga classes by day and open-bar beach parties by nite:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lug8T-bsf94

Everyone is so young and beautiful!

Anyway, I have been wasting several hours a day obsessing over these weird people and dragging anyone who will IM with me down the rabbit hole with me.

In this thread I will continue to document my findings, speculate as to where this shit came from & where it is going, and above all fully relish in this new found obsession.

I invite you to do the same.

http://i.imgur.com/Cb1h8.png

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 04:50 (eight years ago) link

dude I fuckin love the way you think I gotta say

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 2 February 2012 04:52 (eight years ago) link

oh my god, that short bit on the "amazing trainer" part at 0:38 on the Awesomeness Fest video summary is amazing

SELF DEPORTATION (Z S), Thursday, 2 February 2012 04:54 (eight years ago) link

http://www.landmarkforum.com/images/photo_grid_new.jpg

omar little, Thursday, 2 February 2012 04:55 (eight years ago) link

that quote about how "some of the people who have attended Awesomeness Fest have even said that it was one of the greatest weekends of their entire life" is perfect. especially when you think whoever told him that may have been being an extreme smartass and perhaps he didn't realize it was a joke.

SELF DEPORTATION (Z S), Thursday, 2 February 2012 04:56 (eight years ago) link

Guys, I'd like to introduce you to 11-year-old Zynnia Jesek from Tampa, Florida, who raised over $6000 to attended Awesomeness Fest 2011. HERE'S HOW SHE DID IT:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RImcqkBWOU

That's right, using IndieGoGo, she raised $6475 for her awesome plan!

http://www.indiegogo.com/4-Day-Awesomeness-Fest-Test

Here is what she learned at Awesomeness Fest:

A cover of Jason Mraz's "Yours" on ukelele! Here goes nothin!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IMUXHHEhCA&feature=related

Confounded, Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:01 (eight years ago) link

Zynnia gets a standing ovation at a hotel convention. I recommend skipping to the standing ovation part:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKPDwDZT16c

Confounded, Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:03 (eight years ago) link

My most recent and currently #1 most favorite discovery is wunderkind ZYNNIA!!!!!!!!

http://i.imgur.com/y4owa.jpg

Zynnia has all sorts of cool videos on youtube, mostly of her interviewing adults about cool stuff!

But who is she?

Zynnia Jezek was born at home, caught in the hands of her brother and sister on August 5, 2000.

She was raised in the natural parenting style on a diet of primarily raw and vegan foods. She never had any major illness though she spent the majority of her life traveling and living in third world countries. Zynnia is proudly unschooled and yet probably has the equivalence of a college degree in the events and trainings she has attended.

Zynnia may look like a very lucky girl whose life affords the luxuries of making videos, keeping a garden and always smiling and having fun, but do not judge a book by it’s cover. Zynnia’s life has been filled with both blessings and also profound loss.

you may ask yourself "how did a little girl end up at AWESOMENESS FEST??"

that's a great question!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RImcqkBWOU

http://i.imgur.com/X1qQK.png

what did she DO at Awesomeness Fest?? She talked to a lot of AWESOME people!!

(note to Zynnia: intos are a liiiiitle long):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOhINJ0vUgc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwnbsyqYhCY

but that's not all... she also learned how to play ukulele! (sort of):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IMUXHHEhCA

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:04 (eight years ago) link

lol xposts to confounded (one of the many ppl i dragged into the rabbit hole)

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:04 (eight years ago) link

hahaha i'll fight you for zynnia, she's mine

Confounded, Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:05 (eight years ago) link

zynnia is making some progress on her fundraising goals, but has a little ways to go:
http://i.imgur.com/4N7Li.png

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:06 (eight years ago) link

i am genuinely interested in what's going to go down in this thread

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:14 (eight years ago) link

if you give zynnia $5000, she may sing you a beautiful song too

Confounded, Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:16 (eight years ago) link

And that would be... awesome?

Aimless, Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:21 (eight years ago) link

Zynnia Jezek was born at home, caught in the hands of her brother and sister on August 5, 2000.

She was raised in the natural parenting style on a diet of primarily raw and vegan foods.

Barf!

Man, this shit is scary! And... well, yeah, what do they DO exactly?
YOU ARE AWESOME BECAUSE.... BECAUSE YOU ARE AWESOME! :D

thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:22 (eight years ago) link

one of Zynnia's interviews at Awesomeness Fest particularly struck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjy7W0s9HFE

"Information Software... Yadda Yadda Yadda..."

"I had no money.. I was living on about $400 a day."

"How can I: #1: stay in Thailand, and #2: Make a LOT of money?"

"I could be a Rock star..... FAIL! LOL! Kids: It's really good to dream of being a rock star, but its really really hard... OK?"

"I'm in the process of both expanding and contracting my business."

"You follow me there?" "Yes. Absolutely."

Despite what he tell Zynnia, Greg has lots of websites too. LOTS.

http://seveninone.com/discourse
http://gregjacobswpmagemonster.com/
http://wp-mage-monster.com/
http://wpmagemonsterbonus.com/
http://wpmagex.net/
http://www.wp-mage-monster.org/
http://thewpmagemonster.com/
http://monstermagescam.info/ <----- lol @ "scam"

and there's all kinds of youtubes!

http://i.imgur.com/WXEnD.jpg

what's it all about? Allow Greg to explain:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aew4qoWSFY8

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:22 (eight years ago) link

two minutes into greg and... no idea what u talknbout

Confounded, Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:30 (eight years ago) link

"I had no money.. I was living on about $400 a day."

In Thailand! Never been, but imagining that a dollar goes a lot further there??

garbage corn fan (Je55e), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:34 (eight years ago) link

that interview is chock full of weird slips like that

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:34 (eight years ago) link

So he's a pyramid scheme shonk?

thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:36 (eight years ago) link

he was sleeping w/ 23 prostitutes a day, tbf

iatee, Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:37 (eight years ago) link

the guiltiest lol

horseshoe, Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:38 (eight years ago) link

this thread is terrifying

horseshoe, Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:38 (eight years ago) link

"i was using my creative abilities from music and from writing... and applying it into something solid... that I could you know, change into money somehow"

... and that thing was internet marketing, rather than yanno, like, being a musician or a writer!? o_0

thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:38 (eight years ago) link

i love this stuff and am disgusted by it at the same time. it's like cults and capitalism had some weird marriage together. amway is an old fav.

Spectrum, Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:40 (eight years ago) link

Trayce, he said: "FAIL! Don't be a writer" and gave a thumbs down, and even blew a raspberry, if I'm not mistaken!

garbage corn fan (Je55e), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:41 (eight years ago) link

Oh ok I was skimming the damn thing, he rambles like a cokehead.

thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:41 (eight years ago) link

this trend is pretty much the final collective human dreamsong of psychosis before we all lose our identities permanently, rite?

Mordy, Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:43 (eight years ago) link

WTF is Zynnia's mysterious tragedy?

Zynnia’s life has been filled with both blessings and also profound loss.

Zynnia’s sole mission and purpose in life is to fully enjoy each moment and live in full awareness and gratitude for the power of now. Zynnia knows all too well, that at any moment tragedy can strike and the whole world you grow comfortable with can be ripped apart.

garbage corn fan (Je55e), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:45 (eight years ago) link

she wanted waffles but they served pancakes instead :'(

Mordy, Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:47 (eight years ago) link

I mean

Zynnia has lived through it and she has immense wisdom and maturity from that journey. This is why she very consciously chooses a life of dreams coming true.

"it"?

I'd choose a life where dreams come true, but just this week I dreamed that the copier at work was located at O'Hare airport, so I can't risk it.

garbage corn fan (Je55e), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:50 (eight years ago) link

"I'm in the process of both expanding and contracting my business."

blew my mind

the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:50 (eight years ago) link

lol that was my favorite too.

really stoked you are all here, btw.

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:51 (eight years ago) link

amway is an old fav.

see, this is the thing... say what you will about Amway, they may be selling you overpriced toothpaste but at least you're getting an actual product to clean your teeth with.

these dudes aren't even that far removed from people who make money teaching men how to date women (Sean Stephenson has actually dipped in to this), but like, at least with Pick Up Artist gurus, the promise is that dudes will come out less afraid of talking to women-- which is a lot more solid than, "awesomeness!".

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:51 (eight years ago) link

also a fan of when zynnia shouts "LIVE VICARIOUSLY THROUGH ME AND MY FAMILY!"

the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:58 (eight years ago) link

lol otm

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:01 (eight years ago) link

OUT: dance moms
IN: video moms

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:01 (eight years ago) link

so far, my favorite Mindvalley product is QUANTUM JUMPING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

just watch this interview Vishen did at the home of Burt Goldman, developer of the Quantum Jumping method:

http://www.quantumjumping.com/special/meet-burt-goldman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBTmeK52xec

1) count how many times they mention money
2) be sure to watch till 6:43. I promise you won't be disappointed.

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:02 (eight years ago) link

i bet you guys are doubling the view count on all of Zynnia's videos right now

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:03 (eight years ago) link

quaNTUM JUmping

the parable is the parable of the (Lamp), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:08 (eight years ago) link

two phrases came into his head the first was PLANT YOURSELF the second was Take lots of pictures

the parable is the parable of the (Lamp), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:09 (eight years ago) link

heads up, y'all: 2012 will not be the end of the world:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTsKRAHqrf0

bonus copping of 99% jargon

also:
http://i.imgur.com/mFViR.png

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:10 (eight years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/RNYEY.png

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:11 (eight years ago) link

i was forced (along with my workmates) to attend a customized motivational seminar once. we managed to completely sabotage it -- i think i made one of the two seminar leaders cry. i am not ashamed. these folks are the lowest of the low, occupying a totally unnecessary niche opened up by the worst tendencies of corporate culture and "self-actualization" rhetoric.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:11 (eight years ago) link

can you remember who the speaker was?????

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:12 (eight years ago) link

"I'm in the process of both expanding and contracting my business."

Trans: "I am in a constant state of starting up new concerns, hoping the IRS wont catch me when I declare bankruptcy on the old ones"

thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:14 (eight years ago) link

xpost

no they were nobodies... folks that were routinely hired by the business school of the university where i worked to provide "teamwork seminars" for different groups. i wasn't in the business school but i guess our boss decided to try them out.

IIRC one of the two speakers was trying to get us to learn about "optimizing teamwork" based on lessons from ... wait for it... people who "successfully" survived the holocaust. i interrupted him and told him that i couldn't leave the seminar because i was being paid to attend but that he would not be continuing this line of discussion.

he looked sort of lost, looked at the other speaker who nodded, then he kind of hung his shoulders and stepped aside for the next part of the seminar.

the head of my department, who arranged the seminar, was mortified.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:16 (eight years ago) link

"I personally dont believe 2012 will be the end of the world"

WOW AMAZING!~!!!! D:

thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:17 (eight years ago) link

xpost

i got a lot of high-fives from coworkers the next day, though.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:17 (eight years ago) link

IIRC one of the two speakers was trying to get us to learn about "optimizing teamwork" based on lessons from ... wait for it... people who "successfully" survived the holocaust.

oh my god

horseshoe, Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:18 (eight years ago) link

definitely a real cult

na (NA), Friday, 26 June 2020 16:42 (four months ago) link

Well, that was a lot to take in.

pomenitul, Friday, 26 June 2020 19:54 (four months ago) link

if you took all that in we're going to have to quarantine you

j., Friday, 26 June 2020 20:03 (four months ago) link

Wull cumply as needud.

pomenitul, Friday, 26 June 2020 20:06 (four months ago) link

It reads like a libertarian alt-right cultist's wet dream: 'see how brainwashed they are! this is the true face of leftist wokeness!'

pomenitul, Friday, 26 June 2020 20:09 (four months ago) link

hoo boy

Rik Waller-Bridge (jim in vancouver), Friday, 26 June 2020 20:36 (four months ago) link

I had heard about this cult before and it was possibly on here somewhere.

Rik Waller-Bridge (jim in vancouver), Friday, 26 June 2020 20:38 (four months ago) link

two months pass...

anyone watching the nxivm doc on HBO (the Vow)? It's good, though I'm not completely sold on the way they've decided to tell the story, just because it's confusing (it's completely non-linear so it's difficult to tell at what point various things are happening; and a lot of stuff was filmed in real time as the nxivm shit was starting to go down)

akm, Monday, 7 September 2020 15:42 (one month ago) link

I started in on this, but I'm not sure if I'm going to last all 10 episodes.

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 12 September 2020 01:44 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

It's slow going but I think the back half is starting to pace itself well, digging deeper back into Raniere's early days. I will forever be thinking "Hm, well, convenient" when it comes to Mark/Sarah being the heroes of their own stories (and apparently Catherine O might have been more involved than she lets on, per a comment on the Sup Doc episode about the first half of the series) but for all the behind the scenes shenanigans alone, an amazing resource, and just reconfirming how incredibly low-rent Scientology the whole mess was. On a simple filmmaking note, the just queasy enough colors and graphics layered behind the many phone conversations and recordings are pretty well done.

Anyway, Clare Bronfman sentenced today; Raniere's sentencing is in a month:

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Heiress-faces-sentencing-in-upstate-New-York-sex-15607913.php

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 September 2020 22:03 (one month ago) link

Also, there is deep truth here:

possibly the most sinister part of NXIVM was making everyone move to albany pic.twitter.com/s2nR8S6gmD

— Talia Lavin (@chick_in_kiev) September 28, 2020

Two posts in response when I shared that:

At one point Keith equates Albany w/ Ancient Rome and I was like OK

— Mark Coleman (@MarkColeman57) September 29, 2020

A friend of mine who lives in Albany has said, “it’s a great place to live, but I wouldn’t want to visit there.”

— Bagel Strike! #338 (@bagelche) September 29, 2020

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 September 2020 22:09 (one month ago) link

More details on the sentencing:

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-clare-bronfman-nxivm-sex-cult-keith-raniere-sentence-20200930-erflkamkqje6teovbg7bpwq44u-story.html

And a comment from Barbara Bouchey, who was featured in the most recent episode:

Barbara Bouchey, formed Raniere girlfriend, gave a victim impact statement today. She recalls the legal battles she fought when she broke up with Raniere. She says those legal battles were funded by Bronfman. She had to move to the west coast from Saratoga because of everything pic.twitter.com/gu7LomTLWv

— Giuliana Bruno (@GiulianaBrunoTV) September 30, 2020

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 September 2020 22:13 (one month ago) link

Bouchey is hoping to get her good name back. She is pleased with Bronfman’s sentence. She never expected 7 years

— Giuliana Bruno (@GiulianaBrunoTV) September 30, 2020

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 September 2020 22:18 (one month ago) link

It is, BTW, really worth reading that Daily News link for the details about the woman whose immigration status she essentially threatened her with and what happened in court today -- Bronfman's just as petty, bigoted and manipulative as any number of people I could guess do the same things to non-citizens, Mexicans or otherwise, in this country.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 September 2020 22:22 (one month ago) link

seemed like this was getting alluded to in the last ep:

In fact, Salzman owns Nxivm, and Raniere has nothing to do with it, officially. He received no salary from Nxivm, nor possessed a credit card, A.T.M. card or a car. He told me, “I don’t pay taxes because I live under the poverty level.” I asked him where he got his clothes, which require money to buy. He answered that they usually appeared. Pointing to the polo shirt he was wearing, he said, “until I put this on this morning, I don’t think I’d worn it before, and I didn’t know about it.”

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 16:01 (three weeks ago) link

"Who put this food in my mouth?"

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 16:28 (three weeks ago) link

One documentary draws to a close, another rises.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqcNp4UFnnM

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 23:53 (two weeks ago) link

And get ready for season 2!

https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/hbo-the-vow-part-2-nxivm-docuseries-1234807751/

Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 October 2020 17:47 (two weeks ago) link

So The Vow ended and we'll get Nancy in Season 2 and maybe even Keith complaining directly. But -- surprise surprise, and I honestly was surprised -- the Seduced documentary series that started last night is handling all this far more interestingly and far more skillfully overall. Though the focus is on India Oxenberg's story there's a lot of other voices being brought in, as well as some thoroughly concrete detail via interviews not only from journalists on the story (including, notably, the Albany Times-Union team that did work back in 2012) but a variety of psychologists and experts on cult/manipulation tactics and more. Indeed, the way the first episode was structured often clearly functioned as a way to be a curriculum to show how those tactics work and are employed, but in a way that didn't feel pedagogical. It also just laid out the basic early history of Raniere's MLM and eventual launch of NXIVM more concretely and the whole thing was punchier, crisper, way less meandering (and will only be four episodes long).

Interview with India Oxenberg here also has a very interesting section about said other series:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-socialite-india-oxenberg-escaped-the-nxivm-sex-cult-and-leader-keith-raniere

Q: I’ve watched Seduced and The Vow, and The Vow is sort of the Mark Vicente show, while this one is more focused on your story and DOS. What is your relationship with Mark Vicente? Because in Seduced, and from what I’ve read about NXIVM, he was essentially one of the people controlling you and ordering you to do things while you were in the cult.

A: I think you’re kind of spot-on. I just want to be careful about what I saw about The Vow, because I want to be respectful of their project since my mom is in it, as well as other women who stuck their neck out and were incredibly brave to speak out. To me, they give the wider strokes of NXIVM whereas our show goes deeper into what it felt like internally to be there. It’s less about the details of NXIVM, more about the experience, and is more human. And I don’t have a relationship with Mark. I do with Sarah (Edmondson), and I have plenty of friends I speak with who have left NXIVM who I speak to regularly. Mark, I don’t. I have some mixed feelings about that as well.

Q: About what happened between you two while inside NXIVM?

A: Yeah. Some of it happened inside, some of it happened with some of my friends, and I wasn’t pleased with the way they were treated as subjects in the documentary (The Vow). There were things that made me cautious about who I was going to trust again. You go through a shedding process, and once you’re done, you realize that the people who are still there are your real friends.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 October 2020 21:21 (one week ago) link

we watched the investigation discovery 'the lost women of nxivm' -- p good, more lurid than the vow complete w/ theorizing the cluster of ladies who had lived w keith to die from cancer could have been via his poisoning them w rat poison

johnny crunch, Saturday, 24 October 2020 17:06 (one week ago) link

i mean this is more christian than "personal growth" but holy fuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w--j_hnoDVI

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 October 2020 19:19 (six days ago) link

“with the simple push of a button remove all negative thoughts”

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 October 2020 19:20 (six days ago) link

https://www.inspirationcube.com/

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 October 2020 19:21 (six days ago) link

Keith R had some words the other day and they were stupid.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/nxivm-founder-keith-raniere-discusses-his-odious-public-image-in-rare-interview

Last night's Seduced episode reconfirms that it's the better documentary, and Mark Vicente gets his to a strong degree in that one.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 26 October 2020 19:31 (six days ago) link

Seduced covered more in two hours than The Vow irritatingly danced around in seven hours.

Also, Raniere's being sentenced today.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 15:12 (five days ago) link

Report from the court:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nxivm-victims-confront-sex-cult-leader-keith-raniere-at-sentencing

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 17:49 (five days ago) link

BREAKING: #NXVIM founder Keither Raniere sentenced to 120 years in prison and $1.75 million fine.

— Pilar Melendez (@pbmelendez) October 27, 2020

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 20:36 (five days ago) link

Seduced covered more in two hours than The Vow irritatingly danced around in seven hours.

Also, Raniere's being sentenced today.

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, October 27, 2020 8:12 AM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah, the fact that in the vow they don't show the misogynistic/abusive shit in the "curriculum" that mark, sarah and nippy were all peddling for years - and making good money doing so - until the penultimate episode is such bullshit. first ep of seduced you have Keith talking about raping babies.

Politically homely (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 20:44 (five days ago) link

In addition to the sentence and fine, the federal judge ruled #Raniere is forbidden to contact anyone affiliated with #NXIVM.

Speaking before the sentencing, Raniere said he was "deeply remorseful" for the pain and anger he has caused—but stressed he is innocent of some crimes.

— Pilar Melendez (@pbmelendez) October 27, 2020

"It is true I am not remorseful over the crimes I do not believe I have committed at all. But I am deeply remorseful of all this pain," Raniere said in his statement to the court.

Later he said: “I am truly sorry. It’s still painful.”

— Pilar Melendez (@pbmelendez) October 27, 2020

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 20:49 (five days ago) link

Exactly — in Seduced, you’re immediately hit with what a predatory misogynistic piece of shit this guy is. In the first four or five hours of The Vow, he’s a goofball who plays volleyball.

xp

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 21:20 (five days ago) link

in retrospect now the Vow is utterly bewildering to me. Hours of focus on irrelevant parts of this story. Loads of repeated footage. And avoiding getting around to the point until nearly the end, and even then, being vague about a lot of it. The filmmakers were ex-NIXVM members, no? Maybe they are just too close to the material to understand what other people find compelling.

akm, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 22:27 (five days ago) link

yeah it's a bizarre series. 9 hours when it could have been half that.

Politically homely (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 22:30 (five days ago) link

also yes, started Seduced last night. Part of what it has going for it is that India Oxenberg is a more interesting person to listen to than Mark and Bonnie. I though Sarah was the most interesting person in the Vow but felt the doc focused too much on Mark near the end. Mark reminds me of someone I met in college; smart, engaging, but something off. He was a religious studies major so maybe it goes with the territory.

akm, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 22:31 (five days ago) link

I mean the real problem is that you could just as easily see Mark leading his own cult.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 22:34 (five days ago) link

i watched it in real time and thought it was going to be only 4 hours... thought i had read that somewhere or something. havent watched an episode since and dont think i will. coulda been good with the right editor.

Spottie, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 22:35 (five days ago) link

Seduced is 4 hours. Vow is 9. Feels like 900.

akm, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 22:37 (five days ago) link

India Oxenberg on the sentencing

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2020/10/keith-raniere-nxivm-india-oxenberg-court

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:25 (four days ago) link

inspiration cube is not a cube!

andrew m., Thursday, 29 October 2020 16:45 (three days ago) link

it's a cube of the MIND

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 29 October 2020 17:31 (three days ago) link

So here’s a bizarre NXIVM artifact that ex-ilxor gr8080 & slutsky) found ...

I’ll quote gr8080 bc he summarized it better than I can

“In 2008 NXIVM sponsored an a cappella festival where college a cappella groups from all over the country to network, see performances by world renowned a cappella groups, and ostensibly participate in workshops and clinics, but a lot of participants felt like the whole thing was off and possibly a recruiting scheme

This is the a capella world’s premiere internet message board, and EVERYONE shows up - Vicente, Raniere, Claire Bronfman, Alison Mack, all of them

“2020 sex cult documentary but make it vintage ILX””

it literally is like reading the documentary filtered through an acapella board’s experience
...though forewarning, it’s 200+ posts long 😬

https://web.archive.org/web/20101109232011/http://forums.casa.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4412

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 October 2020 20:35 (three days ago) link

wow

johnny crunch, Thursday, 29 October 2020 22:02 (three days ago) link

also towards the end this guy Deke Sharon kinda goes toe to toe challenging Keith & eventually the thread ends with Deke saying he wont have anything more to do w this acapella group at all bc of nxivms involvement

reading it i was like, huh, that’s ballsy

turns out he is Kind of A Big Deal tm
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deke_Sharon

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 October 2020 22:45 (three days ago) link

This woman also posted in that thread:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Malkoff

Dug around a bit and:

Waaay too complicated to tweet. Will have to email you. But I (personally) have had conversations w/Keith where he tries to refute my suggestion that NXIVM is a cult (and this was in 2008).

— Amy Malkoff (@amalkoff) October 17, 2020

jaymc, Thursday, 29 October 2020 22:51 (three days ago) link

wild thread, thanks for sharing... here is the nxivm a capella group. love the comment 'wow... this sucks!' it is quite bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrnOaQG7Tgk

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 29 October 2020 23:38 (three days ago) link

I read that entire thing, my goodness, and I just want to say that Deke Sharon is an utter boss and I seriously recommend reading the thread just to get a master class in how to be polite but authoritatively firm when people are trying to snake around your boundaries.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 30 October 2020 19:49 (two days ago) link

the thread was tl;dr but deke was being very thorough in his responses

Politically homely (jim in vancouver), Friday, 30 October 2020 19:55 (two days ago) link

There's also a great B story about a capella bros shitting in the dresser drawers, seriously, people, it's worth your time

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 30 October 2020 20:20 (two days ago) link

otm
Bingamton Crosbys are the real heroes

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 October 2020 20:27 (two days ago) link

^^ yes

real muthaphuckkin jeez (crüt), Saturday, 31 October 2020 01:53 (yesterday) link

gr80 have you tracked this one down yet:

Online you can see him posting repeatedly in another forum (HiIQ topic) and being chatty.

real muthaphuckkin jeez (crüt), Saturday, 31 October 2020 02:25 (yesterday) link


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