The Mary Tyler Moore Show Thread (Love Is All Around)

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Because this show doesn't seem to have a stand alone thread.

First, some Season One Theme Music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiW3pyMdp3w

Mayne ... Or Astro-Mayne? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 January 2012 14:44 (seven years ago) link

Now, an introductory lecture from The Ted Baxter's Famous Broadcasters School
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqkJmy8ygig

Mayne ... Or Astro-Mayne? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 January 2012 14:45 (seven years ago) link

Remember a clip from this running in the promos before the show was actually on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNyj4FV56JY

Mayne ... Or Astro-Mayne? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 January 2012 15:09 (seven years ago) link

The surprise birthday bash Mary threw for Lou, where he locked all the guests out until their individual entry was negotiated, might've been the best of Mary's Awful Parties episodes.

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 January 2012 15:14 (seven years ago) link

Forgot about that.

The reason I was moved to start this thread was that there is one episode where Mary sings a song really amateurishly in Mr. Grant's office which I was reminded of watching clip LDR on SNL. Don't know if I'll find it on youtube though.

Mayne ... Or Astro-Mayne? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 January 2012 15:20 (seven years ago) link

A few years ago, for the media component we have to include as part of language arts, I had my grade 7 students compare The Mary Tyler Moore Show to the old Dick Van Dyke Show to Seinfeld. They watched three or four episodes of each, took some notes, and wrote a two-page comparison. It became a running joke when Mary's credit sequence ran where I'd pause at the 41-second mark, sigh, and then hit play again.

clemenza, Sunday, 15 January 2012 15:55 (seven years ago) link

Mary sings a song really amateurishly in Mr. Grant's office

"One for My Baby"

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:02 (seven years ago) link

grew up on this show, nick at nite. i now own the dvd's.

great times.

and my teddy bear's name is baxter btw

surm, Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:21 (seven years ago) link

not to mention sue ann!

surm, Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:25 (seven years ago) link

I forget the exact context--Sue Ann was depressed over something, and everyone went to her apartment for some kind of intervention--but I loved the scene where you got to see Sue Ann's bedroom for the first time, with the vibrating (or maybe rotating) bed and the ceiling mirror.

clemenza, Sunday, 15 January 2012 17:39 (seven years ago) link

Thanks, Morbs, that was it!

Are these worth owning on DVD or is the image too shot at this point?

Mayne ... Or Astro-Mayne? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 January 2012 18:14 (seven years ago) link

I love this show and The Dick Van Dyke Show so much I had to buy the DVDs.

As a kid I was hoping to catch a glimpse of Lars. Rhoda looked like a lot of my mom's friends. I'll never get over the colors in her apt though...hot pink and orange? Ouch!

*tera, Sunday, 15 January 2012 18:29 (seven years ago) link

lol at Lars. Always wonder what happened to Lisa Gerritsen, who was really good as Phyllis's daughter Beth, and also appeared with William Windom in My World and Welcome To It, a show based on the work of James Thurber.

I Don't Believe You've Met M. Bébé (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 January 2012 18:36 (seven years ago) link

phyllis - that episode she won the emmy for. soo good. i think it's the 1 she thought lars was cheating on her.

surm, Sunday, 15 January 2012 18:44 (seven years ago) link

Forgot about that. Still haven't found seen Lisa Gerritsen in that video yet, although her name is in the titles. Did see Lee Meriwether though. That makes two people on that show who made memorable appearances on Star Trek:TOS. Want to say but that wasn't Lisa Gerritsen but Pamelyn "Edna Unger" Ferdin who was one of the children enthralled by the evil alien played by Melvin Belli.

Meanwhile:
http://www.mtmshow.com/castremcast.html

I Don't Believe You've Met M. Bébé (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 January 2012 18:50 (seven years ago) link

Arrgh not Beth, Bess.

I Don't Believe You've Met M. Bébé (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 January 2012 18:52 (seven years ago) link

Not a Star Trek fan, but the Melvin Belli episode gets mentioned in Zodiac.

clemenza, Sunday, 15 January 2012 18:57 (seven years ago) link

Typed in Lisa Gerritsen's name and got this (first two minutes):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8qrVdfriTs

Ingmar Bergman jokes!

clemenza, Sunday, 15 January 2012 19:01 (seven years ago) link

ugh mar was so perfect tho

surm, Sunday, 15 January 2012 19:03 (seven years ago) link

Thanks, clemenza. Her is a really great episode in which Lou Grant babysits Bess:
http://www.hulu.com/watch/15895/the-mary-tyler-moore-show-baby-sit-com

When the show was first on, the little logical Vulcan inside me often wondered why Mary would even be friends with Phyllis, so pretentious and so dismissive of her other friend Rhoda, but after being around humans so long I don't ask anymore.

I Don't Believe You've Met M. Bébé (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 January 2012 19:19 (seven years ago) link

well mary's perfection was in part her ability to be open to many different kinds of people

surm, Sunday, 15 January 2012 19:24 (seven years ago) link

Indeed. And without being two-faced about it or talking out'n both sides of her mouth.

I Don't Believe You've Met M. Bébé (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 January 2012 19:27 (seven years ago) link

I've got to say a word here for Gord-o. That nickname's stuck with me forever; all Gords and Gordons are Gord-os to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbQ5rqcic3M

clemenza, Sunday, 15 January 2012 19:28 (seven years ago) link

isn't a lot of canned laughter taken from the studio recordings of the MTM show? i'm sure i read that on ilx actually one time.

piscesx, Sunday, 15 January 2012 19:34 (seven years ago) link

Baby Sit-Com episode not as funny as I remembered, but still liked the interaction between Bess and Mr. Grant and plenty of other stuff.

Back before it all went topsy-turvy, I used to have this overly simplistic pop-psychology theory that in general, films were about having growing up, having an adventure and separating from your family, whereas television shows were about staying put, dealing with your family, warts-on-all, even if it wasn't actually a real family but a stand-in metaphor for the family made up of co-workers and neighbors, and watching this show again reminds me of why I thought that (Though I'm waiting for, say, Alfred, to come on thread to give a million counterexamples and say sentence one does not imply sentence two which makes no sense anyway)

I Don't Believe You've Met M. Bébé (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:09 (seven years ago) link

Hmmmmm I never noticed that but yes...that is how it was.

*tera, Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:45 (seven years ago) link

Thanks.

Watching Episode 1 on hulu right now. I guess they are all there and you can just watch them in sequence, although I suppose everybody knew this already.

Das Lexist (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 January 2012 22:16 (seven years ago) link

The first interaction between Mary and Rhoda is a meet-cute variation.

Das Lexist (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 January 2012 22:22 (seven years ago) link

OK, watched the first three eps one after the other. All keepers

Das Lexist (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 January 2012 03:27 (seven years ago) link

Ted Baxter is one of those characters where just seeing him walk onscreen makes me lose my shit

river, Monday, 16 January 2012 03:29 (seven years ago) link

"It all started at a small 500-watt radio station in Fresno, California...."

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 January 2012 05:34 (seven years ago) link

River: I agree....

*tera, Monday, 16 January 2012 20:00 (seven years ago) link

"It all started at a small 500-watt radio station in Fresno, California…."

My dad says this on the golf course, warming up before a shot. I'm pretty sure he knows it's not from Caddyshack, but who knows.

pplains, Monday, 16 January 2012 20:49 (seven years ago) link

I don't remember that - is that Ted's Rags to Riches/Born in a Trunk origin story?

What We Did on Our POLLidays (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 January 2012 20:57 (seven years ago) link

Never get tired of that four note Motown Andrew "Mike" Terry-style baritone sax at the very beginning of the theme music.

What We Did on Our POLLidays (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 01:35 (seven years ago) link

I think my favourite Ted Baxter exchange was an episode where he'd broken up with Georgette--something bad had happened, anyway.

Mary: I know just how you feel.
Ted: No you don't.
Mary: I do, Ted.
Ted: Look, Mary, whenever something bad happens, people always say "I know just how you feel," but they never do. I say it all the time, and I haven't got a clue.

clemenza, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 01:46 (seven years ago) link

That's good.

Hulu has the first three seasons. Didn't remember the hand percussion on the theme music.

What We Did on Our POLLidays (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 01:59 (seven years ago) link

only three notes on the bari

Starting to think Tony Soprano borrowed heavily from this credit sequence for his own.

What We Did on Our POLLidays (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 02:32 (seven years ago) link

yes on the Ted speech, Blecch

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 02:37 (seven years ago) link

happy birthday betty!

surm, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 04:06 (seven years ago) link

"We're back at election headquarters, where it's still Turner 85, Mitchell 23"

What We Did on Our POLLidays (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 04:15 (seven years ago) link

MTM receiving a lifetime SAG award. She's also tripping over her dogs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/27/arts/television/mary-tyler-moore-to-receive-screen-actors-guild-award.html

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 January 2012 22:10 (seven years ago) link

That was great, thanks for the link. Mrs. Redd sent it to me yesterday but I didn't get around to reading it until now.

Guess I've gotta watch "Chuckles the Clown" episode again one day, though I still feel like it may be overrated while the Stretch Cunningham funeral episode of AiTF doesn't get enough love.

Croupier (Superstar) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 27 January 2012 22:37 (seven years ago) link

the twist was Stretch was Jewish, right?

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 January 2012 23:00 (seven years ago) link

Love that Chuckles the Clown episode....

*tera, Friday, 27 January 2012 23:00 (seven years ago) link

Yes. (xp)

Croupier (Superstar) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 January 2012 03:15 (seven years ago) link

This thread got me to watch some episodes of MTM for the first time since the early '90s or whenever it was on Nick @ Nite.

This show feels downright ancient! And not just because the linking shots show the IDS still being built.

dead-trius (Eric H.), Saturday, 28 January 2012 03:17 (seven years ago) link

I hate to ask, but how else does it "feel ancient"? Like, it's not a "hangout comedy"?

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 January 2012 05:15 (seven years ago) link

The famous spunk scene notwithstanding, he's really conceived very broadly (gruff, gruff, and gruffer) the first few MTM episodes. One of those sitcom characters who got better and more shaded with time. (Never watched his own show, so I can't speak to that.)

clemenza, Wednesday, 1 January 2014 19:07 (five years ago) link

well, he's in a position of authority, and when he exercises it he usually sounds kind of the way he stereotypically looks - decisive boss, long experience of work. etc. (which they underscore w/ the early backstory: a varied career, time in different cities - detroit as well as minneapolis, no problem with picking up and transferring to l.a. for a job), seen many things as a journalist - but that's blended in with i guess some career uncertainty (having just been fired from a long-term tv job, not confident about being able to handle the city desk job he didn't even know he was applying for) and different sorts of timidity w.r.t. the other editorial staff (lots of editorial meetings, hashing out what goes in the day's edition) and the publisher nancy marchand (of a different sort, since she's rich and imperious and everyone's afraid around her). but then despite some standard mid-century middle-american manhood signifiers (eats lots of cheeseburgers, red meat, thinks tacos are weird, but will wolf them down once they taste good; p. chauvinistic despite some well-intentioned instances of fairmindedness), he's all bashful and incompetent with women outside of a work context. also a strange but endearing tendency to walk into getting sonned by those around him and then doubling down on owning up to embarrassments / blunders / shortcomings out of some kind of integrity / honesty that goes beyond the sort which is a point of principle for the journalists around him.

like, what's the good counterpart of a schlub called?

whereas yeah from what i know of MTM and had picked up before, from wherever, i just thought of him as like a cigar-chomper.

j., Wednesday, 1 January 2014 20:10 (five years ago) link

Early on, very much so--he practically barks every other line in the first few episodes. It sounds like his own series continued the evolution of his character on MTM. I'm speaking from memory, but his sentimental side came to the fore more and more often as the series progressed. Don't recall that he ever crossed the line that Carroli O'Conner did, though (and I'm not sure if I'm remembering late All in the Family or his spinoff show), into an insipid shell of himself.

clemenza, Thursday, 2 January 2014 02:39 (five years ago) link

When I recently rewatched the Xmas Eve episode learned that the familiar-looking actor who played the character Mary subbed for, Fred, was a guy named Ned Wertimer who was best known for playing the doorman on The Jeffersons.

Also famous in B-movie circles for his role in Santa Claus Conquers the Martians.

Ian from Etobicoke (Phil D.), Thursday, 2 January 2014 04:41 (five years ago) link

Redd, Nancy Walker's other failed sitcom was called The Nancy Walker Show. (ran a half season, as did Blansky's Beauties which followed hard upon)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nancy_Walker_Show

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 2 January 2014 04:50 (five years ago) link

I remember The Nancy Walker Show! I loved Sparky Marcus, he was one of my first crushes.

*tera, Thursday, 2 January 2014 05:17 (five years ago) link

Phyllis was cursed. Lady who was playing her boss died in some kind of car crash, had to be replaced in third episode.

― Can One Hear the Shape of a Ron Decline Bottle? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, December 27, 2013 8:24 AM (5 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the story is worse than that unfortunately.

On July 24, 1975, just three episodes into the TV series Phyllis, Colby and an acting colleague, James Kiernan, 35, were walking to their car following an acting class in Venice, Los Angeles, California, when they were shot inside a parking area. Colby was killed instantly; however, Kiernan was able to describe the shooters to police before he also succumbed to his wounds. Kiernan said that he did not recognize the two men who shot them, and that the shooting had occurred without warning, reason or provocation. Police noted that there was no attempt to rob the pair and concluded that it was a random drive-by shooting. The killers were never identified.[1]

christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 2 January 2014 05:22 (five years ago) link

Just watched Nancy Walker's debut on MTM. Sign of the times: right out of Woody Allen, but the word Jewish is never mentioned. Lou finally has a softer moment after threatening to fire Mary: "No...it's just a scare tactic."

clemenza, Thursday, 2 January 2014 05:44 (five years ago) link

the story is worse than that unfortunately.
Remembered this later but left it for someone else to correct didn't feel like bearing the bad news.

Can One Hear the Shape of a Ron Decline Bottle? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 2 January 2014 11:20 (five years ago) link

Paul Sand's brilliant as the tax auditor--first sustained bit of greatness in season one, I think (couldn't find a video clip).

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/photopost/data/725/MTM1anPaulSand.jpg

clemenza, Monday, 6 January 2014 01:28 (five years ago) link

two months pass...

Just finished the book. Worth reading. The focus is more on Brooks, Burns, and all the female writers than MTM herself. Probably not a surprise that the show almost never got off the ground. The first thing CBS balked at was the idea of Mary coming off a divorce--that changed, of course--and even after giving the go-ahead for the first 13 episodes, they were basically waiting for the show to die.

I went back to season one, too. After the IRS episode I mentioned above, the next great one is the famous Christmas episode. Mostly for the sentiment, but Lou and the blank cheque was brilliant.

clemenza, Thursday, 13 March 2014 03:42 (five years ago) link

two months pass...
one month passes...

All the seasons seem to have been repackaged and reissued at a cheaper price. I filled out the four seasons I didn't have for $8 each. I'm just not very diligent at watching them--still back where I was when I posted in January, just above.

clemenza, Saturday, 12 July 2014 00:11 (five years ago) link

Had to click on the link to see why I posted Trebek profile

“You got spunk. I hate spunk,” he told me one day,out of nowhere, then demanded to know if I could identify the source of the quote.

Nope.

He followed with another line, this one in a different, high-pitched voice: “Oh, Mr. Grant! ...”

Disappointment at my silence.

“Ed Asner as Lou Grant to Mary Tyler Moore.”

Don't Want To Know If Only You Were Lonely (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 12 July 2014 00:22 (five years ago) link

love this show so much but the version in syndication seems oddly hypersaturated (as in, with color). i mean the 70s could be gaudy but it just looks wrong. maybe i should buy the DVDs.

I dunno. (amateurist), Saturday, 12 July 2014 00:25 (five years ago) link

nine months pass...

How will you freight it on your own … ?

http://i.imgur.com/MDS603E.jpg

pplains, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 13:29 (four years ago) link

This rig is awfully big, girl this lane you're all alone.

Eric H., Wednesday, 15 April 2015 13:31 (four years ago) link

(many xposts ago...) Phyllis spinoff costarred Henry Jones, who left such a lasting impression on me in The Bad Seed as a kid that I couldn't stand seeing him in a sitcom.

https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=JN.Bl3YV1xIBajXTVg3NjhYtg&pid=15.1&P=0

The job killing and likely illegal (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 15 April 2015 14:03 (four years ago) link

I still have never seen The Bad Seed; before Phyllis, i'd seen HJ sell the bike to Paul Newman in Butch Cassidy, in Sipport Your Local Sheriff!, and i'm sure as guest judges or doctors on TV. Now I principally think of him in Vertigo and 3:10 to Yuma.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 April 2015 14:31 (four years ago) link

oh and the two Tashlin dillys in the '50s, Rock Hunter and The Girl Can't Help It... He was only about ten years older than Cloris Leachman, too.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 April 2015 14:36 (four years ago) link

Morbs, get yrself to Bad Seed asap. One of my alltime favorites, scared the crap out of me as a kid, amazingly campy as an adult.

The job killing and likely illegal (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 15 April 2015 14:42 (four years ago) link

i gen avoid camp (see also Mommie Dearest)

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 April 2015 14:58 (four years ago) link

Aw, it's a way better movie than Mommie Dearest, though.

The job killing and likely illegal (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 15 April 2015 17:11 (four years ago) link

Shut the hell up.

Eric H., Wednesday, 15 April 2015 17:18 (four years ago) link

^this is not his first time at the rodeo

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 April 2015 17:23 (four years ago) link

six months pass...
one year passes...

RIP

In Walked Bodhisattva (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 25 January 2017 19:54 (two years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihLJrcS8lsg

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 January 2017 19:55 (two years ago) link

I haven't watched Dick Van Dyke since I was ten, probably, so this will alas hasten that vacuum.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 January 2017 20:47 (two years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks0to2QuJtM

del griffith, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 22:40 (two years ago) link

Was hoping I could find the ending of Season 1's Christmas episode, where Mary works late and Lou, Murray, and Ted come back to the station to surprise her. On the short list of most perfect Sappy Sitcom Moments ever. (Can't even find a still...)

clemenza, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 23:32 (two years ago) link

fuck 2016

example (crüt), Thursday, 26 January 2017 04:20 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

Hello I just recently started watching this for the first time and I love it SO much

Especially love Lou Grant & Rhoda but everyone is great & the characters are so well-defined right out of the gate

Shelley Berman as the hilarious weird dentist at the Better Luck Next Time divorcees club was a great touch.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 16 November 2018 20:44 (ten months ago) link

I still have to resume season one from five years ago. In the interim, I've watched probably 15-20 Prestige Shows from the post-Sopranos era (including The Sopranos), maybe three or four of which I'd rank ahead of MTM. It's just a different dynamic--and maybe I take MTM for granted.

clemenza, Saturday, 17 November 2018 00:13 (ten months ago) link

two months pass...

Someone I used to work with--someone I like a lot--just posted on Facebook about her "spunky" daughter's second birthday. It took every ounce of restraint not to reply with a certain famous MTM clip.

clemenza, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 12:46 (seven months ago) link

Believe that clip was often shown as part of the ad campaign before the show was even on the air.

Only a Factory URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 12:47 (seven months ago) link

And I see that five years ago I posted something upthread about Alex Trebek quoting that clip.

Only a Factory URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 12:55 (seven months ago) link

two months pass...

http://retrowatching.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/the-georgette-storu.jpg?w=300&h=226

Sweetest, most lovable character ever--in a way that didn't make you hate her. There was an episode I remember where she got really tough with Ted that was great.

clemenza, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 20:01 (five months ago) link

four months pass...

RIP.

To my great embarrassment, I’ve still never seen an episode of MTM. My main association with her is her 80s show that she had yanked away from her and rechristened as The Hogan Family after she asked for more money.

Herman Woke (cryptosicko), Saturday, 31 August 2019 01:29 (two weeks ago) link

RIP.

Feel a bit guilty bringing this up now, but couldn't find mention upthread of one of Nancy Walker's most famous prior gigs, as the paper towel pushing diner lady.

The Fearless Thread Killers (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 31 August 2019 01:43 (two weeks ago) link

I think that gig was contemporaneous with MTM.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 31 August 2019 04:45 (two weeks ago) link

To my great embarrassment, I’ve still never seen an episode of MTM.

I saw it in daytime reruns when I was a kid because my mom would watch it, but I dove in as an adult just starting last Sunday (it's on Hulu). I'm only about halfway through S1 now and VH passes away. Makes watching it a little more poignant for the time being.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 31 August 2019 04:49 (two weeks ago) link

Love Valerie so much, so sad to see her go ;_;

Especially now that I became a MTM fan late in life, seeing what effortless joy & comedy she brought to a show that was wall to wall effortless joy & comedy

And god was she beautiful <3

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 31 August 2019 04:58 (two weeks ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/96KBFlF.gif

pplains, Saturday, 31 August 2019 23:17 (two weeks ago) link

<3

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 31 August 2019 23:30 (two weeks ago) link

anyone seen any other analytic pieces, esp on how Rhoda betrayed Rhoda?

https://themuse.jezebel.com/im-the-rhoda-1837795944

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 September 2019 17:28 (two weeks ago) link

/Mary sings a song really amateurishly in Mr. Grant's office/

"One for My Baby"

So set ‘em up, Joe

The Fearless Thread Killers (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 11:56 (one week ago) link


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