TS: Lewis vs Morse

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Lewis obv

mark s, Thursday, 17 November 2011 21:11 (eight years ago) link

My mom loves Lewis, like to an unsettling degree.

bouquet beatdown (Nicole), Thursday, 17 November 2011 21:19 (eight years ago) link

Morse, but i've never watched Lewis

Ridin' Skyrims (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 November 2011 21:25 (eight years ago) link

IT'S ABOUT PERVASIVE VIOLENT DEATH in an UPPER MIDDLE CLASS WORLD

(ok so is morse)

I am watching the "Twilight tribute" ep. You are missing out, Noodle V, it is like Morse but better.

mark s, Thursday, 17 November 2011 21:26 (eight years ago) link

Yes, but do you think he's cute? I have to hear about how cute he is, and since I don't even watch it I am not sure why my mom has to tell me about his cuteness.

bouquet beatdown (Nicole), Thursday, 17 November 2011 21:35 (eight years ago) link

He is not cute.

Are any TV detectives cute? New thread enquiry perhaps.

mark s, Thursday, 17 November 2011 21:36 (eight years ago) link

Um....I'm drawing a blank. I'm sure there's probably been one or two in the history of television, but I can't think of any.

bouquet beatdown (Nicole), Thursday, 17 November 2011 21:38 (eight years ago) link

Ivan Kaye in 'Sam Saturday'?

asked Dermot O'Leary, but he couldn't help me either. They call me the (snoball), Thursday, 17 November 2011 21:50 (eight years ago) link

NOT CUTE

mark s, Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:03 (eight years ago) link

racking my brain here. wd argue that John Thaw was at least handsome on his good days. not cute tho.

Ridin' Skyrims (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:05 (eight years ago) link

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/reviews/68/1247821701_1.jpg

^^^the bar to clear

ps not cute

mark s, Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:07 (eight years ago) link

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wJvuPgXlYpQ/Td_3jKLljOI/AAAAAAAAAJU/wUJHik-ALxU/s1600/jimrocky.jpg

thought Jim Rockford was so cool when i was a boy

Ridin' Skyrims (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:10 (eight years ago) link

anyway, Lewis is a stodgy utilitarian, am i right in assuming that his batman in Lewis is the tempermental intellectual?

also are we supposed to realise that Morse isn't as clever as he thinks he is? or is that an accident of the writing?

Ridin' Skyrims (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:12 (eight years ago) link

his batman is indeed the temperamental intellectual (also a tormented gay ex-christian!)

lewis = also tormented, as his wife was killed in a traffic accident before the series began

http://www.thrillingdetective.com/images/shoestring.jpg

^^^???

jim rockford is cool but not cute

mark s, Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:15 (eight years ago) link

the oxford multiple-murder rate is frightening as ever, so lewis is evidently exactly as clever as morse

right now he is unhappily interrogating the woman he fancies, so no change there either

mark s, Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:17 (eight years ago) link

lol no change whatsoever then

Ridin' Skyrims (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:20 (eight years ago) link

http://www.tvacres.com/images/word_banacek.jpg

^^^more from the golden age of one-name tec TV series = BANECEK

mark s, Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:22 (eight years ago) link

i think Morse's clinging to culture as a mark of status and his evident ambivalence about being held just at arm's length from academia are part of that lack of real wisdom - as well as continually falling for number 1 suspects, obv. so much of his demeanour smacks of a desperation to prove to the University elite that he was up to snuff all along.

before we get to his "solve murder by waiting until all other viable suspects have been offed" technique

Ridin' Skyrims (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:23 (eight years ago) link

tried and tested: his disciple deploys the same infallible method

mark s, Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:24 (eight years ago) link

also: no matter what byzantine theories you develop re: politics, professional rivalries, corruption, all murders are motivated by sex or money

Ridin' Skyrims (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:26 (eight years ago) link

their boss is played by rebecca front, who is a massive -- patient, amused and smart -- improvement on troutface or whatever he was called

mark s, Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:28 (eight years ago) link

i'm not seeing Trevor Eve as cute myself.

Ridin' Skyrims (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:29 (eight years ago) link

what about young David Yip tho?

http://www.motorbar.co.uk/images/dvd_chinesedetective.jpg

Ridin' Skyrims (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:30 (eight years ago) link

my theory is that there are no cute detectives, so we have to test the limit cases

xp good call! terrible actor tho

mark s, Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:30 (eight years ago) link

all i remember of The Chinese Detective is that one ep where somebody got crucified in a gangland revenge scenario, can't remember whether he cd act or not in that but he did Brookie later and he was down to the required standard

Ridin' Skyrims (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:33 (eight years ago) link

xps - I was a devoted Shoestring watcher - i wonder if it was rubbish?

Going Morse for this, much as I enjoy them both. Thaw was great anyway but (as someone who had read the books before the tv)I thought he was terrific as Morse.

Ned Trifle X, Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:34 (eight years ago) link

xp yes its's brookside i'm mainly judging yip by

http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/content/images/2007/04/30/home_619x251.jpg

mark s, Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:36 (eight years ago) link

by the late 80s nobody in Brookie cd act tbf

Ridin' Skyrims (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:37 (eight years ago) link

I‘d say that Zen is cute if perhaps a little too rugged.
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01791/sewell-zen_1791797e.jpg

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:39 (eight years ago) link

yeah but that's cheating, there must be a ton of cute movie detectives

Ridin' Skyrims (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:43 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaOELExvOk8

took me a while to realise that this is totally a spoof of Morse, not grumpy middle-aged 'tecs in general

Ridin' Skyrims (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:45 (eight years ago) link

oops sorry, it was TV wasn't it

mark s, Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:50 (eight years ago) link

morse 1: lewis 0 after tonight's ABSURDLY GOTH* conclusion :(

*it was a halloween special originally i think (i hope)

mark s, Thursday, 17 November 2011 23:13 (eight years ago) link

mark s in contrarian so-and-so shockah!!

haven't quite managed to get into this but I'm confident that this is a no go. Lewis did happen to be the best sidekick because he was as good as Morse tho'. The proof was when Morse failed to marry that doctor who fancied him.

Incidentally women find Columbo's shabby look cute...and I'm inclined to believe the probably male scriptwriters them.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 17 November 2011 23:15 (eight years ago) link

Hathaway is ABSURDLY attractive, although admittedly kind of "ugly" (why the long face?) but not in a way that matters. Also questioning your "gay" statement because of that a couple of eps that touch on his past affairs w women.

It means why you gotta be a montague? (Laurel), Thursday, 17 November 2011 23:18 (eight years ago) link

i think hathaway's past is entirely rebooted for each episode

mark s, Thursday, 17 November 2011 23:20 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aWTP7W5AW8

Ridin' Skyrims (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 November 2011 23:21 (eight years ago) link

hathaway not gay in tonight's ep

mark s, Friday, 18 November 2011 22:23 (eight years ago) link

Perhaps Hathaway has an open mind when it comes to his sexuality. (Second the absurdly attractive thing. Do sidekicks count in the cute ratings?)

Also unknown as Zora (Surfing At Work), Saturday, 19 November 2011 01:04 (eight years ago) link

sorry guys, but Lewis is embarrassingly shit. Lewis seems to represent the tragedy of the contemporary male condition, whilst Morse seemed to embody the vibrancy of it. Lewis is sad and pathetic, Morse definitely wasn't.

historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Saturday, 19 November 2011 15:26 (eight years ago) link

u seem to have mistaken Morse for a competent detective getting non-stop lady action

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCeG35Ihxjs (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 19 November 2011 15:28 (eight years ago) link

there were many suggestions that Morse was getting quite a bit of action, a love interest every episode at one point. But anyway, that wasn't quite the nuance of my thought.

historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Saturday, 19 November 2011 15:41 (eight years ago) link

a love interest every episode at one point

some of them not murderers.

but to call a morose, functional alcoholic who uses his education to belittle his peers and is almost painfully inept in matters of the heart "vibrant" and his family-loving, sympathetic partner "pathetic" is...something

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCeG35Ihxjs (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 19 November 2011 15:53 (eight years ago) link

ok ok i get it, you like the drip.

historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Saturday, 19 November 2011 16:03 (eight years ago) link

not the point at all, really. yr contempt for Lewis's humanity is interesting. of course Morse is a compelling character, and likeable too, but this is because of his car-wreckness, not despite it. Lewis is sort of deliberately underdrawn in Morse in order to throw Morse's romantic hero into sharper relief but Endeavour is pretty much a Polidori who wishes he was Byron. also in the first ever ep he wears a hilarious leather jacket in one scene. so try-hard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCeG35Ihxjs (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 19 November 2011 16:06 (eight years ago) link

So you don't think Morse is a very authentic character? I think that is a question which is quite central to the integrity of the show. If you have trouble suspending your disbelief then surely it's quite a serious problem that pervades the entire production - a problem with the way it was written, acted, directed etc.

historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Saturday, 19 November 2011 16:20 (eight years ago) link

as mark pointed out upthread, Morse is a fairy-tale set in a magical Oxford where all the council estates have disappeared and the murder rate is somewhat higher than south central LA. authenticity doesn't come into it really, but Morse is perfectly believable as a human being. like a lot of human beings he is a very bad understander of his own soul, and his dissatisfaction has curdled into a general, defensive misanthropy. except around handsome middle-aged women.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCeG35Ihxjs (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 19 November 2011 16:24 (eight years ago) link

they're not all middle-aged by any means! they just have to be wearing a skirt

mark s, Saturday, 19 November 2011 16:35 (eight years ago) link

Pre-culture war: Morse

Post-culture war: Lewis

xyzzzz__, Friday, 17 January 2020 16:06 (one month ago) link

ts louis vs morbse

Banáná hÉireann (darraghmac), Friday, 17 January 2020 16:11 (one month ago) link

would like a cartoon version of Morse where Morse and Lewis were grizzled cats

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 17 January 2020 16:51 (one month ago) link

i don't remember knowing about the Piper-Fox ship. i still love Hathaway tbh but i've been on the rum

the Swedish taboo (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 January 2020 17:17 (one month ago) link

Both Fox’s albums, one would hazard a guess, are informed by his failed marriage to Billie Piper (the first was released just before the marriage ended), but the defining song for Laurence Fox as he is now fixed in the public eye – crusader for common sense, or halfwitted bigot, depending on your point of view – is The Distance, whose lyrics are pinned at the top of his Facebook page. Here Fox explains how you’re just not allowed to say anything any more: “The first to fall is laughter / Just to quell the unoffended / They seek to murder your opinion,” sings the man who gets repeated national newspaper interviews and TV appearances in which to express his opinion. “The light has been turned down on the age of reason / Replaced by blinding fires that burn wild across the region,” he sings, before offering a couplet that unwittingly summons the memory of Nigel Farage pledging to take up his rifle if Brexit were denied: “So I need you more than ever / Need your hands in this resistance.”

calzino, Tuesday, 21 January 2020 14:37 (one month ago) link

I forget if the ep of Lewis where one of the members of an ageing 60s rock group is electrocuted on-stage -- it turns out by one of the others, over Fleetwood Mac-style be-swapping shenanigans 40 years ago lol -- is also the ep where Hathaway's fancy guitar is stolen and the duo have to get it back by unorthodox means. Anyway Fox gets to play guitar every now and then on-screen: he is no John Fahey. The best bit abt the rock group ep is that Lewis ends up flailing around in the treatment pool of a sewage farm iirc.

mark s, Tuesday, 21 January 2020 14:45 (one month ago) link

i thought it was Hathaway, appositely, who ends up in the slurry but i could be wrong

the Swedish taboo (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 14:50 (one month ago) link

also he plays in an "ambient world fusion" band or something like that

the Swedish taboo (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 14:50 (one month ago) link

I've read about five tweets from diff people I follow calling for the Laurence Fox tweets to stop. I think only other subjects that I've seen this much pain on the timeline over are Tony Blair and the Lab party.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 21 January 2020 14:51 (one month ago) link

nah, the stolen guitar episode is the quiz weekend one with Alan Davies guest starring

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 14:53 (one month ago) link

in which Davies plays an obnoxious shifty self-regarding twat

the Swedish taboo (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 14:54 (one month ago) link

the ep of Lewis where one of the members of an ageing 60s rock group is electrocuted on-stage

This sounds very much like Midsomer Murders' 'The Axeman Cometh':

55 4 "The Axeman Cometh" Renny Rye Michael Aitkens 2 February 2007 August/September 2006 6.87
The music lovers of Midsomer County are delighted when a host of bands arrives for the Midsomer Rocks festival. Barnaby himself is particularly looking forward to seeing recently re-formed rock band, Hired Gun, perform on stage, but he soon gets close to the band for rather unfortunate reasons. During their opening performance, the band's singer, Mimi (Suzi Quatro), falls to the ground dead – electrocuted by a wire that had been run through the microphone stand. Barnaby and Jones soon find the rest of the band could be targets, and when another is killed, questions are raised as to whether former band member, Ginger Foxton, who went missing for 30 years and is presumed dead, is still at large. The detectives soon have to delve into a world of rock music, drug use and greed, to find the truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0pekalbPjk

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 21 January 2020 14:56 (one month ago) link

Suzi Quatro was on Midsomer Murders?

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 15:00 (one month ago) link

I guess Hathaway being a supercilious prick wasn't really acting... still like watching Lewis, it's supremely relaxing

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 15:02 (one month ago) link

lol yes there's also an ageing rock-blues ep in waking the dead, feat.nigel terry as a virtuoso guitarist who's also a hitman for a sinister club owner (i think he also has alzheimer's, it's a complicated episode)

mark s, Tuesday, 21 January 2020 15:04 (one month ago) link

Jonathan Creek has one too!

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 15:09 (one month ago) link

even Death in Paradise has one, except with a reggae band (Jonathan Creek's is, of course, a prog band)

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 15:10 (one month ago) link

just tried watching an ep of this on Youtube (Counter Culture Blues) and couldn't make it past 5 minutes!

calzino, Tuesday, 21 January 2020 15:11 (one month ago) link

these shows are so satisfying, our relatable quotidian becomes exceptional in the context of a murder investigation

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 15:14 (one month ago) link

brb writing a MARPLE script that finally ties these unsolved crimes together: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_entertainers_who_died_during_a_performance

mark s, Tuesday, 21 January 2020 15:15 (one month ago) link

Suzi Quatro was on Midsomer Murders?

― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, January 21, 2020 4:00 PM (sixteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

You bet! And yr otm about how satisyfing these shows are, though Death in Paradise is an outlier I can't watch for some reason. I will cop to having seen more Father Brown episodes than I'd like to admit though :-/

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 21 January 2020 15:19 (one month ago) link

it probably doesn't help that I know how appalling his sidekick is before I've been drawn into it.

calzino, Tuesday, 21 January 2020 15:20 (one month ago) link

^^ similarly, learning Ali Carter is a Farage retweeter and stan ruined watching him play the Masters last week.

I've vowed to not look up the p0litics of English actors any longer.

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 21 January 2020 15:22 (one month ago) link

Pro tip: they're all Tories

the Swedish taboo (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 15:26 (one month ago) link

morse is best because my grandpa looked just like john thaw

that's it, lock thread

xp I know Neil Dudgeon id's openly as Labour (but don't ask me what brand/melt/spice/etc)

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 21 January 2020 15:31 (one month ago) link

my favorite character in Morse and Lewis is Oxford

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 15:31 (one month ago) link

also tory iirc

mark s, Tuesday, 21 January 2020 15:33 (one month ago) link

but Mary Beard

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 15:35 (one month ago) link

the ep of Lewis where one of the members of an ageing 60s rock group is electrocuted on-stage

Is this the one with Joanna Lumley as a mysterious rock chick?

Frozen Mug (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 15:37 (one month ago) link

a mysterious rock chick's twin

mark s, Tuesday, 21 January 2020 15:38 (one month ago) link

Spoiler alert, mark.

Frozen Mug (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 15:42 (one month ago) link

yeah some of us have only seen that episode 5-7 times

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 15:43 (one month ago) link

LOL:

Alexander Woollcott suffered a heart attack during a radio show in which he and four other individuals were having a discussion about Hitler. Listeners were oblivious to the fact that anything was out of the ordinary. Several of them reported that Woollcott, known for being strongly opinionated, was unusually quiet.

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 21 January 2020 15:47 (one month ago) link

^^^this story is rather less bathetically recounted in thurber's "the years with ross"

mark s, Tuesday, 21 January 2020 15:58 (one month ago) link

Waking the Dead and Midsomer Murder both had elder Foxes guest star. I can ever remember which one is Laurence’s dad.

tokyo rosemary, Tuesday, 21 January 2020 16:06 (one month ago) link

I am laughing a bit about his complaints about 1917 because he was in a WW1 movie about a haunted trench. Are ghosts historically accurate???

tokyo rosemary, Tuesday, 21 January 2020 16:08 (one month ago) link

my complaints about 1917 is that it is another bad sentimental bullshit war movie by a dreadful director. But yeah, what a prize pumper for saying that!

calzino, Tuesday, 21 January 2020 16:17 (one month ago) link

it's not like a member of the Fox family to go nuts

the Swedish taboo (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 16:20 (one month ago) link

This made me laugh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r0XnLs7DSc

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 24 January 2020 09:54 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

The Greek ep of Morse is so good, he hits some special notes of obnoxiousness, also I want to read The Magus for the first time in 30+ years

Todd Phillips, party auteur (Noodle Vague), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:59 (two weeks ago) link

tfw you settle down for a nice long maigret and it's just mr bean w/a sour puss >:(

mark s, Monday, 17 February 2020 20:45 (one week ago) link

The Greek ep is one of my faves

xyzzzz__, Monday, 17 February 2020 21:01 (one week ago) link

I quite like Atkinson as Maigret tbh

babby bitter (Noodle Vague), Monday, 17 February 2020 21:04 (one week ago) link

i'm still watching

(tho given the topic of this thread that is no index of quality)

mark s, Monday, 17 February 2020 21:09 (one week ago) link

I'm a discerning viewer I'll have you know

babby bitter (Noodle Vague), Monday, 17 February 2020 21:10 (one week ago) link

lol im not

mark s, Monday, 17 February 2020 21:13 (one week ago) link

"Is there a butler?"
"Haven't seen one sir."
"Pity. It might have saved us a lot of time."

babby bitter (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 01:30 (one week ago) link

i just watched an entire ep of father brown -- lol it was extremely terrible

(not a gkc story for a start but even so)

mark s, Saturday, 22 February 2020 18:03 (one week ago) link

The Father Browns are really wrong as far as the stories are concerned, they might as well have just called it something else.

Dunty Reggae party 🎉 (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 22 February 2020 19:11 (one week ago) link


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