TS: Lewis vs Morse

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Lewis obv

mark s, Thursday, 17 November 2011 21:11 (ten years ago) link

My mom loves Lewis, like to an unsettling degree.

bouquet beatdown (Nicole), Thursday, 17 November 2011 21:19 (ten years ago) link

Morse, but i've never watched Lewis

Ridin' Skyrims (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 November 2011 21:25 (ten years ago) link

IT'S ABOUT PERVASIVE VIOLENT DEATH in an UPPER MIDDLE CLASS WORLD

(ok so is morse)

I am watching the "Twilight tribute" ep. You are missing out, Noodle V, it is like Morse but better.

mark s, Thursday, 17 November 2011 21:26 (ten years ago) link

Yes, but do you think he's cute? I have to hear about how cute he is, and since I don't even watch it I am not sure why my mom has to tell me about his cuteness.

bouquet beatdown (Nicole), Thursday, 17 November 2011 21:35 (ten years ago) link

He is not cute.

Are any TV detectives cute? New thread enquiry perhaps.

mark s, Thursday, 17 November 2011 21:36 (ten years ago) link

Um....I'm drawing a blank. I'm sure there's probably been one or two in the history of television, but I can't think of any.

bouquet beatdown (Nicole), Thursday, 17 November 2011 21:38 (ten years ago) link

Ivan Kaye in 'Sam Saturday'?

NOT CUTE

mark s, Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:03 (ten years ago) link

racking my brain here. wd argue that John Thaw was at least handsome on his good days. not cute tho.

Ridin' Skyrims (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:05 (ten years ago) link

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/reviews/68/1247821701_1.jpg

^^^the bar to clear

ps not cute

mark s, Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:07 (ten years ago) link

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wJvuPgXlYpQ/Td_3jKLljOI/AAAAAAAAAJU/wUJHik-ALxU/s1600/jimrocky.jpg

thought Jim Rockford was so cool when i was a boy

Ridin' Skyrims (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:10 (ten years ago) link

anyway, Lewis is a stodgy utilitarian, am i right in assuming that his batman in Lewis is the tempermental intellectual?

also are we supposed to realise that Morse isn't as clever as he thinks he is? or is that an accident of the writing?

Ridin' Skyrims (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:12 (ten years ago) link

his batman is indeed the temperamental intellectual (also a tormented gay ex-christian!)

lewis = also tormented, as his wife was killed in a traffic accident before the series began

http://www.thrillingdetective.com/images/shoestring.jpg

^^^???

jim rockford is cool but not cute

mark s, Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:15 (ten years ago) link

the oxford multiple-murder rate is frightening as ever, so lewis is evidently exactly as clever as morse

right now he is unhappily interrogating the woman he fancies, so no change there either

mark s, Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:17 (ten years ago) link

lol no change whatsoever then

Ridin' Skyrims (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:20 (ten years ago) link

http://www.tvacres.com/images/word_banacek.jpg

^^^more from the golden age of one-name tec TV series = BANECEK

mark s, Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:22 (ten years ago) link

i think Morse's clinging to culture as a mark of status and his evident ambivalence about being held just at arm's length from academia are part of that lack of real wisdom - as well as continually falling for number 1 suspects, obv. so much of his demeanour smacks of a desperation to prove to the University elite that he was up to snuff all along.

before we get to his "solve murder by waiting until all other viable suspects have been offed" technique

Ridin' Skyrims (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:23 (ten years ago) link

tried and tested: his disciple deploys the same infallible method

mark s, Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:24 (ten years ago) link

also: no matter what byzantine theories you develop re: politics, professional rivalries, corruption, all murders are motivated by sex or money

Ridin' Skyrims (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:26 (ten years ago) link

their boss is played by rebecca front, who is a massive -- patient, amused and smart -- improvement on troutface or whatever he was called

mark s, Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:28 (ten years ago) link

i'm not seeing Trevor Eve as cute myself.

Ridin' Skyrims (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:29 (ten years ago) link

what about young David Yip tho?

http://www.motorbar.co.uk/images/dvd_chinesedetective.jpg

Ridin' Skyrims (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:30 (ten years ago) link

my theory is that there are no cute detectives, so we have to test the limit cases

xp good call! terrible actor tho

mark s, Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:30 (ten years ago) link

all i remember of The Chinese Detective is that one ep where somebody got crucified in a gangland revenge scenario, can't remember whether he cd act or not in that but he did Brookie later and he was down to the required standard

Ridin' Skyrims (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:33 (ten years ago) link

xps - I was a devoted Shoestring watcher - i wonder if it was rubbish?

Going Morse for this, much as I enjoy them both. Thaw was great anyway but (as someone who had read the books before the tv)I thought he was terrific as Morse.

Ned Trifle X, Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:34 (ten years ago) link

xp yes its's brookside i'm mainly judging yip by

http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/content/images/2007/04/30/home_619x251.jpg

mark s, Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:36 (ten years ago) link

by the late 80s nobody in Brookie cd act tbf

Ridin' Skyrims (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:37 (ten years ago) link

I‘d say that Zen is cute if perhaps a little too rugged.
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01791/sewell-zen_1791797e.jpg

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:39 (ten years ago) link

yeah but that's cheating, there must be a ton of cute movie detectives

Ridin' Skyrims (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:43 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaOELExvOk8

took me a while to realise that this is totally a spoof of Morse, not grumpy middle-aged 'tecs in general

Ridin' Skyrims (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:45 (ten years ago) link

oops sorry, it was TV wasn't it

mark s, Thursday, 17 November 2011 22:50 (ten years ago) link

morse 1: lewis 0 after tonight's ABSURDLY GOTH* conclusion :(

*it was a halloween special originally i think (i hope)

mark s, Thursday, 17 November 2011 23:13 (ten years ago) link

mark s in contrarian so-and-so shockah!!

haven't quite managed to get into this but I'm confident that this is a no go. Lewis did happen to be the best sidekick because he was as good as Morse tho'. The proof was when Morse failed to marry that doctor who fancied him.

Incidentally women find Columbo's shabby look cute...and I'm inclined to believe the probably male scriptwriters them.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 17 November 2011 23:15 (ten years ago) link

Hathaway is ABSURDLY attractive, although admittedly kind of "ugly" (why the long face?) but not in a way that matters. Also questioning your "gay" statement because of that a couple of eps that touch on his past affairs w women.

It means why you gotta be a montague? (Laurel), Thursday, 17 November 2011 23:18 (ten years ago) link

i think hathaway's past is entirely rebooted for each episode

mark s, Thursday, 17 November 2011 23:20 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aWTP7W5AW8

Ridin' Skyrims (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 November 2011 23:21 (ten years ago) link

hathaway not gay in tonight's ep

mark s, Friday, 18 November 2011 22:23 (ten years ago) link

Perhaps Hathaway has an open mind when it comes to his sexuality. (Second the absurdly attractive thing. Do sidekicks count in the cute ratings?)

Also unknown as Zora (Surfing At Work), Saturday, 19 November 2011 01:04 (ten years ago) link

sorry guys, but Lewis is embarrassingly shit. Lewis seems to represent the tragedy of the contemporary male condition, whilst Morse seemed to embody the vibrancy of it. Lewis is sad and pathetic, Morse definitely wasn't.

historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Saturday, 19 November 2011 15:26 (ten years ago) link

u seem to have mistaken Morse for a competent detective getting non-stop lady action

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCeG35Ihxjs (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 19 November 2011 15:28 (ten years ago) link

there were many suggestions that Morse was getting quite a bit of action, a love interest every episode at one point. But anyway, that wasn't quite the nuance of my thought.

historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Saturday, 19 November 2011 15:41 (ten years ago) link

a love interest every episode at one point

some of them not murderers.

but to call a morose, functional alcoholic who uses his education to belittle his peers and is almost painfully inept in matters of the heart "vibrant" and his family-loving, sympathetic partner "pathetic" is...something

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCeG35Ihxjs (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 19 November 2011 15:53 (ten years ago) link

ok ok i get it, you like the drip.

historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Saturday, 19 November 2011 16:03 (ten years ago) link

not the point at all, really. yr contempt for Lewis's humanity is interesting. of course Morse is a compelling character, and likeable too, but this is because of his car-wreckness, not despite it. Lewis is sort of deliberately underdrawn in Morse in order to throw Morse's romantic hero into sharper relief but Endeavour is pretty much a Polidori who wishes he was Byron. also in the first ever ep he wears a hilarious leather jacket in one scene. so try-hard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCeG35Ihxjs (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 19 November 2011 16:06 (ten years ago) link

So you don't think Morse is a very authentic character? I think that is a question which is quite central to the integrity of the show. If you have trouble suspending your disbelief then surely it's quite a serious problem that pervades the entire production - a problem with the way it was written, acted, directed etc.

historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Saturday, 19 November 2011 16:20 (ten years ago) link

as mark pointed out upthread, Morse is a fairy-tale set in a magical Oxford where all the council estates have disappeared and the murder rate is somewhat higher than south central LA. authenticity doesn't come into it really, but Morse is perfectly believable as a human being. like a lot of human beings he is a very bad understander of his own soul, and his dissatisfaction has curdled into a general, defensive misanthropy. except around handsome middle-aged women.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCeG35Ihxjs (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 19 November 2011 16:24 (ten years ago) link

they're not all middle-aged by any means! they just have to be wearing a skirt

mark s, Saturday, 19 November 2011 16:35 (ten years ago) link

I'm a discerning viewer I'll have you know

babby bitter (Noodle Vague), Monday, 17 February 2020 21:10 (one year ago) link

lol im not

mark s, Monday, 17 February 2020 21:13 (one year ago) link

"Is there a butler?"
"Haven't seen one sir."
"Pity. It might have saved us a lot of time."

babby bitter (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 01:30 (one year ago) link

i just watched an entire ep of father brown -- lol it was extremely terrible

(not a gkc story for a start but even so)

mark s, Saturday, 22 February 2020 18:03 (one year ago) link

The Father Browns are really wrong as far as the stories are concerned, they might as well have just called it something else.

Dunty Reggae party 🎉 (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 22 February 2020 19:11 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

Maths geek listening to Muse ergo clearly deserves to die

Flaneuring Bevan (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 9 May 2020 14:03 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

Lol Peggy Mount in two minute nun cameo

A Short Film About Scampoes (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 22 August 2020 13:45 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

God Morse is a sex pest

Notes on "Scamp" (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 11:51 (one year ago) link

Still getting handsy with the only surviving criminal

Notes on "Scamp" (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 12:22 (one year ago) link

You should try the Elmore Leonard novel where the hero hits on his girlfriend outside the rape clinic

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 16:12 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

The unemployment rate amongst posh elfin actresses must have shot up when they stopped making Lewis

A bot scamping on a human face, forever (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 11 March 2021 21:30 (ten months ago) link

lol true

Wrote For Lunch (Tom D.), Thursday, 11 March 2021 22:17 (ten months ago) link

I don't know, I have Britbox and there are roughly 5,000 murder mysteries on there packed with posh elfins and hapless dad bods

so tonight that I might ramona quimby (f. hazel), Thursday, 11 March 2021 22:23 (ten months ago) link

three weeks pass...

i love Endeavour (esp w mustache) & enjoy Lewis (though Hathaway holds most of the appeal there)... is it weird i’ve never watched Morse? mum used to watch, feel like i absorbed it vicariously

i am v fucked off that britbox & acorn stole all
most of the brit detective shows off Prime

went to do a rewatch of Cracker but it was the bloody American remake! /vomit emoji

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 01:04 (nine months ago) link

i am v fucked off that britbox & acorn stole most of the brit detective shows off Prime

take it to the JiC thread

armoured van, Holden (sic), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 03:25 (nine months ago) link

shush

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 04:25 (nine months ago) link

truly this thread was my "horror cannot be set in space" lol

also i see that wikipedia have deleted the list of the name of midsomer villages, which is like the burning of the library of alexandria x one trillion

mark s, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 11:47 (nine months ago) link

Ffs the librarians that burn their own holdings

Call of Scampi: Slack Nephrops (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 11:57 (nine months ago) link

i love Endeavour (esp w mustache) & enjoy Lewis (though Hathaway holds most of the appeal there)..

Probably best not to read about the subsequent exploits of the actor who played Hathaway then. Could never stand him myself.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 11:59 (nine months ago) link

Hathaway and shite

calzino, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 12:12 (nine months ago) link

hitchcock: "actors are cattle"
you, aghast: "hitchcock is cancelled!"
actors: "hold my beer"

mark s, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 12:19 (nine months ago) link

Probably best not to read about the subsequent exploits of the actor who played Hathaway then. Could never stand him myself.

as someone who sort of fancied him in the series, I did just check his Wikipedia, and holy/wholly shit. pardon my ESL, but isn’t that what you call “a wrong’un”?

Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 13:38 (nine months ago) link

How about talentless posh cunt from a long line of privileged right wing wankers?

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 13:43 (nine months ago) link

Yeah that's one of the more disappointing of disappointments in People Who Turn Out to Be Shitheads.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 13:54 (nine months ago) link

we called Fox the Gwyneth Paltrow of British TV because women liked him but men instantly hated him and were later vindicated by his despicable behavior

anyway xpost, but I can't really rewatch Morse these days either. It's A. ponderously slow and B. the morality on display hasn't aged well. I'm more excited about a new season of Shakespeare and Hathaway, speaking of Hathaways. The mysteries are barely half a step above Death in Paradise but the leads are so delightful I don't care.

mark e. smith-moon (f. hazel), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 14:36 (nine months ago) link

Hathaway's mayoral candidate video came up as one of my pre-rolls on YouTube and I felt like I must have done something shameful to deserve it.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 14:45 (nine months ago) link

we called Fox the Gwyneth Paltrow of British TV because women liked him but men instantly hated him

we are not men. we are breastcrawl!

Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 14:53 (nine months ago) link

tbft that line of posh privileged wankers it did at one time include some actors who (despite being cattle) were good not bad

mark s, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 15:43 (nine months ago) link

AS ACTORS

mark s, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 15:43 (nine months ago) link

"Kill the actors"

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/8/8c/Prod68_03.jpg/600px-Prod68_03.jpg

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 15:52 (nine months ago) link

i still enjoy Hathaway tbh not sure Lozza's shenanigans don't add layers

Call of Scampi: Slack Nephrops (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 15:54 (nine months ago) link

adding in "(the ACAB years)" to every series of all procedurals ever, and never being wrong

mark s, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 15:56 (nine months ago) link

also i stand by the hathaway backstory-reset as a tool to interpret this show

mark s, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 15:58 (nine months ago) link

the only constants in Hathaway's backstory are god-bothering and jazz fusion and i'm sure there's an exception to them somewhere

Call of Scampi: Slack Nephrops (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 16:00 (nine months ago) link

shocking how less than 10 years ago i'd never watched Lewis and now i can quote whole eps

Call of Scampi: Slack Nephrops (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 16:01 (nine months ago) link

Poor old Lewis stuck with that miserable old git Morse then the possibly even more miserable Hathaway.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 16:05 (nine months ago) link

Lewis excels above Endeavor and Morse at the crucial police/detective procedural scene: having coffee at a picturesque local cafe and talking about murder, then suddenly having to leave

mark e. smith-moon (f. hazel), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 16:16 (nine months ago) link

also lewis has a competent boss: morse just the "maverick" to tropey mctroutface or whatever he's called

mark s, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 16:22 (nine months ago) link

even Innocent goes a bit Oxford Mafia every now and then tho

Call of Scampi: Slack Nephrops (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 16:28 (nine months ago) link

It’s been awhile since I watched Morse, but I seem to remember in the first few episodes he wasn’t actually that good at solving the crimes.

Notes on Scampo (tokyo rosemary), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 16:51 (nine months ago) link

Yes, Morse got it wrong in quite a few episodes throughout the series: "The Silent World of Nicholas Quinn", "Driven to Distraction" (where he victimised an innocent car dealer), the one set in Australia ("Promised Land") and particularly "Dead on Time", when he meets his former fiancée again and remains clueless right to the end. Not sure whether this is also a feature of Colin Dexter's books.

Portsmouth Bubblejet, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 17:44 (nine months ago) link

Quick ten minutes of "Morse Goes Raving" is as terrible as I remember but also weirdly brilliantly peak Morse

Not you Boyle you're shit sit down

Call of Scampi: Slack Nephrops (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 10 April 2021 13:15 (nine months ago) link

somehow it's also all about angels iirc

mark s, Saturday, 10 April 2021 13:26 (nine months ago) link

Getaway car hitting a tree at 5 mph and exploding in a ball of flame just made me hurt myself laughing

Call of Scampi: Slack Nephrops (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 10 April 2021 13:33 (nine months ago) link

Fuck me now it's the dork who replaced Nick Berry in Heartbeat with huge bouffant ebergy

Call of Scampi: Slack Nephrops (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 10 April 2021 13:51 (nine months ago) link

e-bergy! e-bergy! it's ebbernee-bergy!

mark s, Saturday, 10 April 2021 13:52 (nine months ago) link

particularly "Dead on Time", when he meets his former fiancée again and remains clueless right to the end. Not sure whether this is also a feature of Colin Dexter's books.

― Portsmouth Bubblejet, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 bookmarkflaglink

Absolutely love how Lewis solved the case and doesn't let Morse know just because of his affection for him.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 10 April 2021 20:14 (nine months ago) link

talentless posh cunt from a long line of privileged right wing wankers made it to our front pages, ugh:

https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/britse-acteur-die-londen-veel-te-woke-vindt-wil-daar-burgemeester-worden~be792e98/

Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Friday, 16 April 2021 12:03 (nine months ago) link

Hugh Grant has been flirting with the Liberal Democrats for years, mainly out of personal dissatisfaction with Brexit and the power of the conservative press.

this posh cunt needs sending to the gulag as well!

calzino, Friday, 16 April 2021 12:09 (nine months ago) link

five months pass...

They're showing the very first Morse ep, and Holy Fuck John Thaw was only 44 when it was filmed. I mean, he was one of those guys who always looked old, but damn.

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 3 October 2021 03:20 (three months ago) link


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