showtime's Homeland =[a tolerable claire danes, mandy patinkin & that girl from firefly naked]

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really loving this so far. like watching the background government machine taking place in the bourne movies.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Monday, 24 October 2011 04:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah this is good. need to catch up with ep 4 but so far i'm really impressed. even if it is (ugh) Showtime.

encarta it (Gukbe), Monday, 24 October 2011 05:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

naked what what now?

j., Monday, 24 October 2011 05:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

Morena Baccarin has shed her clothing a couple of times. Ya know, if you're into that sort of thing. Ahem.

encarta it (Gukbe), Monday, 24 October 2011 05:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

It's quite good! Doing a good job of keeping each group of characters interesting.

Simon H., Monday, 24 October 2011 06:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

Apparently it has been given a second season. I'm really interested to see what they're going to do with that.

encarta it (Gukbe), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 16:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

I actually find that Danes has gotten more intolerable the older she's become, and so this role is perfectly suited to her newfound weird manic ferret energy. Mike needs to get naked though.

all the other twinks with their fucked up dicks (billy), Thursday, 27 October 2011 01:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm gonna reiterate how Danes's face has become George Michael Bluth's face to me... but yeah this is pretty good!

kinder, Thursday, 27 October 2011 02:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

Holy shit this show. I have no idea how they're going to sustain this for the rest of this season, much less a second.

encarta it (Gukbe), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 07:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

drunk Claire Danes ranting about the Washington Wizards was bizarrely, immensely satisfying.

all the other twinks with their fucked up dicks (billy), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 06:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

what i couldn't figure out was whether she was actually drunk in that scene or if she was just playing him

kaygee, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 07:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

has to be playing him.That was a calculated move,not sure she intended to use the infidelity as a baseline in the poly though. She is just way too obsessed with getting this guy to have a lapse of judgment like that

Aerosol, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 13:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

you think? i dont know she's pretty self-destructive

just sayin, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 13:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

the aspect of it that left things up in the air for me was that she told him what the polygraph was about. i just can't see how it helps her, since the intention would obviously be to blindside him with the question while he's hooked up to a polygraph. but as i write this it occurs to me that maybe she just wagered that he had figured it out and said that to gain his trust.

kaygee, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 14:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

what do we think about whatever ol' grizzly is called having flunked the 'did you pass a razor' one time around; like wasn't there another hint last week that ~sewed seeds of doubt~ about him? or is that just a red herring.

i kinda feel like this week jumped the shark a little, but that the final 'have you ever cheated' line in the interrogation neutralised it a lil

Abattoir Educator / Slaughterman (schlump), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 14:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

i think its definitely going to steadily get more and more ridiculous

just sayin, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 14:43 (seven years ago) Permalink


s.clover, Thursday, 10 November 2011 01:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

I've only watched three episode., Thought the pilot was terrific, but it's become increasingly risible. Does it get better, or should I quit whole I'm ahead?

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 13 November 2011 23:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

If you think it's getting increasingly risible, then you should probably quit.

encarta it (Gukbe), Sunday, 13 November 2011 23:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

This week's episode was amazing.

Stevie T, Monday, 14 November 2011 21:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

I thought the opposite. First episode that utterly pushed the limits of character choices. I like it when characters are smarter than me, not soap-opera made-for-tv let's-make-this-interesting idiots.

And switching the show's Big Bad from a simmering, sinister genius to some off-screen nobody? ugh.

sean gramophone, Monday, 14 November 2011 21:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

first half felt slow, but it really ramped up (all the stuff in the cabin was really tremendous). Also "off-screen nobody" is laughable when uh, he's supposed to be dead? And one of the main characters thinks he killed him, which could probably play a big role, narratively-speaking. Dragging on a "is he or isn't he?" storyline w/ Brody would've been really infuriating anyway, that tete-a-tete felt jolting and exciting.

all the other twinks with their fucked up dicks (billy), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 02:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ideally I'd have liked them to drag it out a bit longer -- the kill reveal and then the "he's alive" reveal came too close for my taste. But who knows -- maybe there will be enough twists to keep things moving for the rest of the season.

s.clover, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 03:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

Didn't the 'kill reveal' happen a few episodes ago? I was enjoying not knowing about Brodie, I kind of hope he did it all along.
By the way did they even have any *serious* damning evidence on the blonde girl?

kinder, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 05:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

This is progressing crazy fast. I kind of love that - most of what went down in this hour I sort of figured would be reserved for the finale. Which is still, like, 5 eps away.

Simon H., Tuesday, 15 November 2011 05:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

Have persevered and enjoying this a lot more now!

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 17 November 2011 00:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

this shit is cray

lag∞n, Sunday, 1 January 2012 23:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

its really killing me that that roomful of infidels didnt get blowed up tho

lag∞n, Sunday, 1 January 2012 23:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

there really wasn't any chance they would, though? like when they kept teasing that scene in the promos i was like yeah yeah how 'suspenseful'

some dude, Monday, 2 January 2012 01:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

claire danes is way more than tolerable!

horseshoe, Monday, 2 January 2012 20:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

I dunno, i found the "manic" scenes borderline unwatchable

Number None, Monday, 2 January 2012 20:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

morelike claire panes in my ass

the buttfarters (Lamp), Monday, 2 January 2012 21:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

I had some post-holiday downtime last week, during which sped through the first seasons of this & Game of Thrones (both of which, along w/ Enlightened, I'd flagged as the new serial dramas of '11 I should investigate). Both made for excellent marathon viewing, actually!

I'm mixed on the show, overall, though. The over-reliance on cliffhangers and twists was gimmicky & pulpy in a way that didn't really jive w/ the overall tone of the show. The performances of Damian Lewis & Mandy Patinkin were exceptional, though. I'd say the same for CD, but

I dunno, i found the "manic" scenes borderline unwatchable

is kinda otm

bonus points for having a 'sullen teenager' character that I didn't just want to sock in the jaw.

hooked on ebonics (Pillbox), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 03:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

The over-reliance on cliffhangers and twists was gimmicky & pulpy in a way that didn't really jive w/ the overall tone of the show.

This. For all of its outer trappings of realism, its dependence on typical tv narrative conventions made the show feel kind of hollow in the end from a philosophical standpoint. Maybe that's the squishy librul in me talking. Still, couldn't stop watching.

omar leeettle (Leee), Sunday, 5 February 2012 22:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

man this fucking show. i enjoyed quite a bit even though yeah, over-reliance on cliffhangers and twists. but that last episode was just a huge shitshow. that entire scene with brody not exploding that bomb was just painfully terrible: first false alarm, smth's broken in my supercool exploding vest. imma repair it. and just when i'm about to do it for realz, secret service tells me my daughter's on the phone and it's an emergency. you know what else is an emergency fuckheads, an assassination attempt. i almost switched it off then but i thought i'd already watched 12 hours of this so the remaining 30 minutes couldn't be that bad. and yet. it ends with that fucking shock therapy and claire danes connecting the last dots bcz she remembers her good times with brody. fucking hell that was lame as shit.

also, there's one thng that's been bothering me during the entire series. why the fuck does everyone call brody by his last name, including his wife?

Jibe, Sunday, 26 February 2012 08:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

that's his name, don't were it out

kinder, Sunday, 26 February 2012 08:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

haha nice

Jibe, Sunday, 26 February 2012 09:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Just found out Isa is Arabic for Jesus.

Où sont le Lord Custos d'antan? (Leee), Sunday, 8 April 2012 20:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm watching this - halfway through. Decent enough. Kinda ham-handed, heavily skewed toward melodrama (backstory of the affair w/ the boss; flashbacks to idyllic times), don't know why but I expected a little more nuance.

Danes' kinda icy - you can see her not so much acting as pushing the "manic/edgy" button from a deep interior; the scene where she showed up at her sister's house, ready to collapse under the weight of the world, really carried weight though.

"Fourvel - it's like Fievel, but one less." (R Baez), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

Just found out Isa is Arabic for Jesus.

― Où sont le Lord Custos d'antan? (Leee), Sunday, April 8, 2012 4:18 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes it is but JUST FYI it's pronounced "ee-sa" not the crazy annoying way damian lewis pronounces on this damn show.

horseshoe, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

season 2 trailer

awful music ... looks intense though. will watch.

dmr, Friday, 17 August 2012 19:33 (six years ago) Permalink

take 2

dmr, Friday, 17 August 2012 19:33 (six years ago) Permalink


lag∞n, Friday, 17 August 2012 19:38 (six years ago) Permalink

Wonder what convolutions they'll go through to keep the same roster of characters/actors. After the disappointing end of last season I'm sceptical, but sure I'll watch it.

Cong rat ululations (seandalai), Saturday, 18 August 2012 02:15 (six years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

awful music

lol Downton Abbey used a Scala/Kolacny Brothers rendition in their upcoming season trailer too.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:42 (six years ago) Permalink

I like this show fine but after they crushed the Emmys last night I think it's officially v v overrated

all the comments upthread about ham-handed, melodramatic, over-reliance on twists are otm but they won the award for writing

and Damian Lewis beat Cranston and Jon Hamm

I know over-calibrating like this and being all "it's a good show, but" is sort of boring commentary but elevating this up over Breaking Bad and Mad Men is kinda nuts imo.

dmr, Monday, 24 September 2012 19:31 (six years ago) Permalink

I really like the show, but I agree.

Almost suited up for "Mad Men is about more than you're making it out to be" in response to this article but...ugh.

Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Monday, 24 September 2012 19:38 (six years ago) Permalink

i'm kinda holding my breath for the second season, i feel like what they do with that will either validate the first season's virtues or further expose its flaws

some dude, Monday, 24 September 2012 19:44 (six years ago) Permalink

yeah despite really liking the first season the kind of flaws that were throwing themselves up there puts me in the strange position of having absolutely no faith that the creators can come through on a second season. will be happy to be proven wrong though.

Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Monday, 24 September 2012 19:47 (six years ago) Permalink

yeah it always felt like the odds were high that it could be a one season wonder -- in which case i'm fine with that season getting every possible reward, so long as diminishing returns don't get the same kind of accolades

some dude, Monday, 24 September 2012 19:49 (six years ago) Permalink

I just watched whatever the latest season is. Season 5.
S3 was the low point, then they stopped dragging out and spoiling what made it good in the first place and just made it a solid 24/Spooks type affair. S4 was pretty gripping I seem to remember.

Oh in one of the episodes I just watched, Claire Danes says 'go. go now' yay!!

kinder, Tuesday, 5 January 2016 21:25 (three years ago) Permalink

i'm in season 3 now and i understand what you mean by frustrating. constant in-n-out of 'nuthouse' + venezuelan highrise slum-squat + boring story about depressed teen/her troubled bf and her BORING BORING BORING mother she doesn't get along with

i'm kind of surprised by how extremely boring the mom character is (and mike too tbh, they are both so bland!)

La Lechuza (La Lechera), Wednesday, 13 January 2016 17:53 (three years ago) Permalink

i will also admit to being invested in the romantic storyline for a while

La Lechuza (La Lechera), Wednesday, 13 January 2016 17:58 (three years ago) Permalink

the depressed teen storyline reminded me of the Michael Douglas' daughter storyline from Traffic

sarahell, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 19:48 (three years ago) Permalink

Seasons 4 & 5, post Brody, were the best of the lot imo

nate woolls, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 20:00 (three years ago) Permalink


sarahell, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 20:01 (three years ago) Permalink

Also, has anyone else seen Prisoners of War -- the Israeli show Homeland was based on?

sarahell, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 20:02 (three years ago) Permalink

Michael Douglas' daughter storyline from Traffic
totally, down to "severely bershon actress"although i think she wears it well
it's just not an interesting story to me

are they intentionally turning jessica into more of a bitch? are we just seeing a different side of her now that her high school boyfriend/husband/terrorist roommate is on the lam/dead? they made her so matronly once he started running for office. oh! and i noticed that claire danes has stopped using that weird product that makes your eyelashes grow. i kept wondering what was different about her face and i think it's the eyelashes going back to normal.

i am still watching it but i also find the new analyst pretty dull which basically makes everyone on the show dull except for carrie. i still have enjoyed watching it so far but if it stays like this eehh maybe not

La Lechuza (La Lechera), Wednesday, 13 January 2016 20:15 (three years ago) Permalink

thank you for introducing me to the word bershon

kinder, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 20:36 (three years ago) Permalink


La Lechuza (La Lechera), Wednesday, 13 January 2016 20:39 (three years ago) Permalink


La Lechuza (La Lechera), Wednesday, 13 January 2016 20:39 (three years ago) Permalink


sarahell, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 20:39 (three years ago) Permalink

La Lechuza (La Lechera), Wednesday, 13 January 2016 20:43 (three years ago) Permalink

the internet is a big place

sarahell, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 20:50 (three years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

ok i have now watched it all
kinda annoyed at the "carrie is humanized/saved from her demons thanks to the miracle of reproduction" theme but other than that it was enjoyable enough.
felt relieved not to have to watch that poor kid who played brody jr grow up on camera anymore, no more bland mike-n-jess moments

La Lechuza (La Lechera), Monday, 1 February 2016 22:09 (three years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

new season! aww poor Quinn

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Monday, 16 January 2017 02:10 (two years ago) Permalink

liking it

the klosterman weekend (s.clover), Monday, 23 January 2017 18:11 (two years ago) Permalink

well that got real dumb real fast

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 31 January 2017 02:13 (two years ago) Permalink

after a certain point it becomes clear that Carrie's main career asset is her complete lack of shame in asking for favors from people who owe her nothing, because she has screwed up massively and the results of her bad judgement are going to mostly affect other people, not her

and Saul's main deal is that he has a death wish and apparently surrounds himself with inattentive morons, to make him look like some kind of super-spy detective. With a massive death wish.

Quinn is just a poor schmuck who is too good for all of these assholes, but clearly hates himself.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 31 January 2017 02:27 (two years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Real Truth guy is so loathsome. And somehow reminiscent of Jay from Inbetweeners.

kinder, Sunday, 16 April 2017 20:55 (two years ago) Permalink

We need to catch up and finish this season. At this point it's like gross medicine we have to take in order to get this Dar Adal out of our throat

The Jams Manager (1992, Brickster) (El Tomboto), Sunday, 16 April 2017 21:37 (two years ago) Permalink

I stopped watching because I got bored and the drama seemed to revolve around MY DAUGHTER! and a convoluted story I couldn't follow. I really enjoyed the first few seasons but I don't really recognize this show anymore.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 16 April 2017 22:31 (two years ago) Permalink

It was a weird, disjointed season, and the ending/President-Elect character seemed to be Saying Something, but it wasn't that interesting. Quinn storyline was quite affecting.

kinder, Monday, 17 April 2017 18:47 (two years ago) Permalink

I only got on board with this after Quinn got sarin'ed and the Berlin train thing happened so I'm sure I'm missing a lot of history... but whats the deal with the ending - is the new Prez some kind of evil? When Dar said "theres something unamerican about her" was there more than he was letting on - shes a spy or something!?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 03:12 (two years ago) Permalink

god I hate the way this show makes you so flippin' worried about all the characters

also how many years did they spend setting up Dar to be the villain? like 4?

The Jams Manager (1992, Brickster) (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 02:34 (two years ago) Permalink

he's not a villain he's a patriot of the deep state trying to stop the unstable new president.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 12:46 (two years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

the last bit of the finale was .... uh, what?

It was also funny how in that postscript bit (the six weeks later part), she was all, "I'll get my kid back one of these days nbd"

sarahell, Monday, 8 May 2017 20:40 (two years ago) Permalink

I figured it was a setup for her to run for congress next season

the Homeland - Veep convergence is finally here

your cognitive privilege (El Tomboto), Monday, 8 May 2017 21:14 (two years ago) Permalink



your cognitive privilege (El Tomboto), Monday, 8 May 2017 21:14 (two years ago) Permalink

it seemed to me, apart from the wtf arrests, like it's a setup for "let's get the gang back together and break our former friends out of jail" tour de force

sarahell, Monday, 8 May 2017 21:34 (two years ago) Permalink

uh, that should have read, considering the wtf arrests, not apart from

sarahell, Monday, 8 May 2017 21:35 (two years ago) Permalink

sure, but which parts of the gang aren't dead or in jail?

your cognitive privilege (El Tomboto), Monday, 8 May 2017 21:57 (two years ago) Permalink

Carrie and Max

sarahell, Monday, 8 May 2017 23:08 (two years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Just finished S2 and S3 in relatively quick succession and I'm still enjoying it. Admittedly I don't hold it to very high account, but that means there's been more than enough genuinely good parts for me to forgive or ignore the numerous failings.

Eager to see where it goes post-Brody and glad to see that the consensus here seems to be that S4+5 are worth watching.

brain (krakow), Saturday, 8 December 2018 18:24 (six months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Ooft, season 4 really goes for it! I'm about two-thirds of the way and have been blind-sided at least twice already.

brain (krakow), Thursday, 10 January 2019 00:36 (five months ago) Permalink

Ha... and again! That episode 4.11 twist was maybe a step too far for me - I actually laughed more than anything.

brain (krakow), Friday, 11 January 2019 19:56 (five months ago) Permalink

need mod to remove ‘tolerable’ from thread title

flopson, Saturday, 12 January 2019 03:35 (five months ago) Permalink

also the ‘that girl naked’ part probably

flopson, Saturday, 12 January 2019 03:36 (five months ago) Permalink

it was great when they hired some graffiti artists to add visual authenticity to a Euro set and they wrote loads of derogatory stuff about them like "Homeland is watermelon" in Arabic. Although I'd have used much stronger terms of abuse than that tbh.

calzino, Saturday, 12 January 2019 09:21 (five months ago) Permalink

I didn't understand Dar Adal's explanations in the season 4 finale at all, but I guess this whole strand continues through season 5.

Didn't they write that Homeland was racist?

brain (krakow), Saturday, 12 January 2019 11:45 (five months ago) Permalink

"The graffiti on the left says: ‘Freedom … now in 3D’. The one on the right says: ‘Homeland is watermelon’ (which is slang for not to be taken seriously)."

from yr link under the pic.

calzino, Saturday, 12 January 2019 11:53 (five months ago) Permalink

Ah, sorry, I only skim re-read the link before posting. Calling it racist is at least clear and direct criticism, if lacking in swear words.

I wonder if they though that writing 'Homeland =[a tolerable claire danes, mandy patinkin & that girl from firefly naked]' in Arabic was both two seasons too late and rather denigrating to Morena Baccarin.

brain (krakow), Saturday, 12 January 2019 12:19 (five months ago) Permalink

I'm sure it's not a original idea, but I would very much watch a Peter Quinn offshoot series or origin film.

brain (krakow), Monday, 21 January 2019 00:32 (five months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Finished season 6.

I preferred 4 & 5, but it was still passable and Rupert Friend was absolutely fantastic.

brain (krakow), Saturday, 23 February 2019 11:02 (four months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Finished season 7, which I wasn't keen on.

Assuming spoilers are ok at this point...

I really missed Quinn.

In season 8 they could mirror how things began with Brody by having Saul begin to suspect that Carrie has been turned by the Russians during the months she was held there apparently going crazy through lack of medication.

Apparently Yevgeney is going to back in S8, so Russia will still feature somehow.

brain (krakow), Monday, 18 March 2019 17:33 (three months ago) Permalink

Season 8? Fucking hell.

chap, Monday, 18 March 2019 17:34 (three months ago) Permalink

*going to be back

brain (krakow), Monday, 18 March 2019 17:36 (three months ago) Permalink

xpost Ha, had the exact same thought before I saw your post. This thing was sputtering halfway through the first season, what the shit.

Goody Rickels on the Dime (Old Lunch), Monday, 18 March 2019 17:37 (three months ago) Permalink

Season 7 was no season 4 but I watched it.

Oleg from The Americans showing up probably the highlight. The episode with the hacker possibly the worst Homeland episode ever.

seandalai, Monday, 18 March 2019 23:12 (three months ago) Permalink

Glad I'm not the only one who persevered. I'm under no illusions as to its worth/quality, but it's been entertaining enough nonsense overall.

Yeah, that diversion with the hacker was particularly rubbish and annoyingly throwaway - I kept expecting for some twist to bring him back in later in the season, because it seemed utterly pointless otherwise.

brain (krakow), Monday, 18 March 2019 23:45 (three months ago) Permalink

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