Hirokazu Kore-Eda Thread

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No thread, to my surprise. Only a handful of films released in the states. I haven't seen Maborosi in years but I just rented the newly released Criterion version of Still Waiting, an expert family psychodrama.

a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 14 August 2011 23:14 (twelve years ago) link

This guy is amazing. Still Walking is superb, but it's Nobody Knows that gets my vote.

turning in the widening gyre (remy bean), Sunday, 14 August 2011 23:43 (twelve years ago) link

(After Life reminds me of Wings of Desire, a little).

turning in the widening gyre (remy bean), Sunday, 14 August 2011 23:43 (twelve years ago) link

i like this guy & have somehow only ever seen after life. i have maborosi - which gets a lot of ILX love elsewhere i think - &'ll get around to watching it v soon. he's made quite a lot in the last couple of years, inc. a film about a love doll that's apparently v sensitive & considered, as well as his new kids movie.

i've always wanted to find claire denis' appreciation, written in cahiers du cinema, about the guy.

bruce actual springsteen (schlump), Monday, 15 August 2011 10:14 (twelve years ago) link

maybe, if there were a kore-eda film that none of us had seen but which we could obtain, we could have ILX film club & synchro-screen before discussing

bruce actual springsteen (schlump), Monday, 15 August 2011 10:28 (twelve years ago) link

have only seen still walking & liked it; also have maborosi waiting to be watched

johnny crunch, Monday, 15 August 2011 11:46 (twelve years ago) link

Nobody Knows is streaming on netflix, and Hana is available for rental by mail on Netflix and Greencine. I'm really happy to watch either of them – and I'd love a chance to see the former again, and to discuss it here.

turning in the widening gyre (remy bean), Monday, 15 August 2011 12:34 (twelve years ago) link

i'd love to do this; i think i was maybe casting around in the direction of one of the others, because i think i'll find nobody knows moving enough to bawl through, but let's go for it, or first see where everyone else is at in terms of a consensus kore-eda blank spot. online film club, it's exciting.

bruce actual springsteen (schlump), Monday, 15 August 2011 12:57 (twelve years ago) link

I haven't seen Nobody Knows!

a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 August 2011 12:58 (twelve years ago) link

high five

bruce actual springsteen (schlump), Monday, 15 August 2011 13:00 (twelve years ago) link

is it amateurist who really loves maborosi? i think i looked up mentions of kore-eda (plagued by the variable use of his hyphen) a while back & there was an ilxor who called it their favourite film.

bruce actual springsteen (schlump), Monday, 15 August 2011 13:02 (twelve years ago) link

so anyway let's do this?, some night in the next week or two, depending on who can get a copy & how soon?

bruce actual springsteen (schlump), Monday, 15 August 2011 22:04 (twelve years ago) link

'maborosi' is terrific, though different from the later films (very indebted to ozu, formally) - but i found the final shot so breathtaking i rewound the shitty VHS i was watching it on just to play it again

clams cassingle (donna rouge), Monday, 15 August 2011 22:06 (twelve years ago) link

free on netflix streaming, so anybody w/ that access... Maybe we should set up a group chat for afterward? Later this week would be great for my schedule.

turning in the widening gyre (remy bean), Monday, 15 August 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link

i haven't seen 'still walking', loved 'after life', liked 'nobody knows'

clams cassingle (donna rouge), Monday, 15 August 2011 22:08 (twelve years ago) link

he mostly made short documentaries before 'maborosi' right?

clams cassingle (donna rouge), Monday, 15 August 2011 22:08 (twelve years ago) link

ys

turning in the widening gyre (remy bean), Monday, 15 August 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link

He's closer to Renoir than Ozu: the camera placement is less precise, more interested in capturing how the groups of five and six interact with the house and staircase instead of twos and three with each other.

a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 August 2011 22:14 (twelve years ago) link

Also the unrepentant grumpy old doctor in Still Waiting would look out of place in an Ozu film.

a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 August 2011 22:14 (twelve years ago) link

His cinematographic formalism is less ... formal than Ozu's? Looser? Like you say, he's interested in capturing the tonal nuances of a conversation, especially if it involves more than a pair of actors, but he's also more aware of a traditional narrative thread than Ozu ever was. The comparison isn't inaccurate, though: he's very aware of bodies-in-rooms, and shoots in such a way that space and distance themselves becomes very present.

the widening gyre (remy bean), Tuesday, 16 August 2011 01:22 (twelve years ago) link

Still Walking is one of the best family dramas of the last few years, and that's saying alot (think I only liked Summer Hours more). It definitely felt more formal than Nobody Knows, which is better served by the cramped intimacy of the camerawork. Love em both.

Cosmo Vitelli, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 03:17 (twelve years ago) link

not much to add but I'll echo the Still Walking love.

corey, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 03:22 (twelve years ago) link

(After Life reminds me of Wings of Desire, a little).

― turning in the widening gyre (remy bean), Sunday, 14 August 2011 23:43 (2 days ago)

Good point of comparison. Wings goes in for reverie and manages that quite nicely, but After Life has a really nice no-new-age-bullshit approach (a trap that would be easy to fall into, premise-wise). It's a wonderfully understated movie - underrated? (Wings was a formative movie for me - don't think I'd be as enraptured now, but a lot of moments have stuck - I'm not prepared to take it off it's pedestal yet.)

OWLS 3D (R Baez), Tuesday, 16 August 2011 03:30 (twelve years ago) link

Very good to mention Summer Hours too, which I thought of instantly and is my favorite movie of the last three years.

a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 August 2011 11:29 (twelve years ago) link

Wasn't that a good film? I'm still unsure of the ending, but I think it's my own baggage more than any fault of Assayas.

the widening gyre (remy bean), Tuesday, 16 August 2011 11:42 (twelve years ago) link

I can't think of another movie whose lightness of texture and quickness of pace is so profound.

a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 August 2011 11:45 (twelve years ago) link

the palette was gorgeous too –– lush greens, peeling-paint furniture, binoche's salmon-pink hoody

the widening gyre (remy bean), Tuesday, 16 August 2011 11:50 (twelve years ago) link

three months pass...

Looking for Maburosi on youtube - no luck.

Everything else is really (quietly, devastatingly) good.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 19 November 2011 13:02 (twelve years ago) link

diff.spelling maybe? i've seen it as mabarosi and mabaroshi

it is my favourite film ever (also i think youtube would not be kind to some of its darker shots: i saw it first on video, reviewing it for S&S, and very nearly raved abt the fact that he shot several scenes without ANY LIGHT AT ALL) (not in fact true; luckily i caught a proper screening of it before delivering the copy)

mark s, Saturday, 19 November 2011 13:24 (twelve years ago) link

Got it - thanks! - Mabaroshi no Hiraki! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53Uj_V0T7s8&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLCDBF2F13AAB7B091

Starts off w/a dark shot you speak of?

Anyway, er, would be good to catch this at a re-screening someday but I can't exactly wait.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 19 November 2011 13:32 (twelve years ago) link

And this is the guy that wrote the novel based on the film

http://www.bookslut.com/fiction/2006_03_008097.php

Don't think its been translated.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 19 November 2011 13:38 (twelve years ago) link

seven months pass...

anyone seen 'i wish' ? looks sorta dubious 2 me but it's now showing @ the art space nearby..

johnny crunch, Saturday, 14 July 2012 15:59 (eleven years ago) link

haven't seen, would really like to; i hear it's v satisfying (though blah blah minor koreeda blah blah)
i still haven't gotten around to marborosi, which iirc some of us were swearing blood oaths to syncro-screen & report back on a while ago

, Blogger (schlump), Saturday, 14 July 2012 16:10 (eleven years ago) link

'maborosi' is really beautiful - donna rouge otm here

- but i found the final shot so breathtaking i rewound the shitty VHS i was watching it on just to play it again

― clams cassingle (donna rouge), Monday, August 15, 2011 6:06 PM (10 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yea im not so enthused abt kids as the main characters but i suspect anything he makes is good/worthwhile

also @ some pt i will go take 'after life' out of the library

johnny crunch, Saturday, 14 July 2012 16:18 (eleven years ago) link

seven months pass...

What's dubious about I wish?!?! Looks great, can't wait to see it.

Anyone else?

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 16 February 2013 13:29 (eleven years ago) link

on US netflix

слабоумие и отвага (cozen), Saturday, 16 February 2013 13:45 (eleven years ago) link

two months pass...
five months pass...

I spent like 15 minutes trying to write something about this film that didn't sound dumb, so I will just say this: I liked it.

Geoffrey Schweppes (jaymc), Thursday, 17 October 2013 05:34 (ten years ago) link

three years pass...

Didn't have high expectations, but After the Storm is easily the best he has made since Still Walking, and sort of a return to the indie look of his early stuff. Some really great images made by basically doing everything a lot quicker, it seems. Hiroshi Abe is an amazing casting since, well, he is too tall for every frame and all his co-stars, and it gives the whole film this sort of off-kilter feel. Highly recommended.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 20:25 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

I loved ATS too, and it's a close cousin to Still Walking in tone. Really loved it, actually.
Bumping this thread because I've ordered the bluray of The Third Murder, a feature of his from 2017 that I haven't seen yet.
Strong recommend for Going My Home too - maybe I like Hiroshi Abe as much as I like Koreeda? No, because I love Kirin Kiki even more.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 30 July 2018 07:02 (five years ago) link

The Third Murder is quite interesting. Not sure I've wrapped my head around it, so looking forward to hearing what you think.

Frederik B, Monday, 30 July 2018 07:59 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I found The Third Murder a disappointment in its last hour. I don't think it's up to the ambiguities in Kore-eda's script. But it's worth a watch.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 August 2018 12:33 (five years ago) link

four months pass...

Shoplifters is soooosososo good

flopson, Friday, 28 December 2018 05:59 (five years ago) link

Hosono smanged the soundtrack

flopson, Friday, 28 December 2018 05:59 (five years ago) link

yep

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 December 2018 06:20 (five years ago) link

it's brilliant yes, v much a crying in cinema film

imago, Friday, 28 December 2018 09:27 (five years ago) link

i didn’t find it sad actually! kind of had a happy ending imo?

flopson, Friday, 28 December 2018 16:10 (five years ago) link

ambiguous ending. but the last bit with the 'father' and the 'son' i mean

imago, Friday, 28 December 2018 16:11 (five years ago) link

i loved that it was a movie about poor people but not about /poverty/. no hamfisted attempt at structural critique, no sad-but-hopeful swelling string score, no triumphing over adversity. it was like, actually humanizing. the state as represented by the social workers was also somewhat sympathetic and nuanced, in the interview scenes

flopson, Friday, 28 December 2018 16:20 (five years ago) link

Lin going back to her barely out of adolescence negligent parents was the saddest part for me

flopson, Friday, 28 December 2018 16:21 (five years ago) link

Ando's rubbing her face moment in the last fifteen minutes is worthy of Liv Ullmann in intensity.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 December 2018 16:22 (five years ago) link

Tokyo is so beautiful

flopson, Friday, 28 December 2018 16:25 (five years ago) link

which Hirokazu should i watch next? Shoplifters was my first

flopson, Sunday, 30 December 2018 19:22 (five years ago) link

i figure the answer is 'all, in any order' but just in case

flopson, Sunday, 30 December 2018 19:23 (five years ago) link

After Life is still his masterpiece, but if you want something more recent After the Storm was very good as well.

Frederik B, Sunday, 30 December 2018 19:24 (five years ago) link

he's been so damn prolific in the last five years that you should watch'em all, even The Third Murder.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 30 December 2018 19:36 (five years ago) link

Air Doll is...not great tho

resident hack (Simon H.), Sunday, 30 December 2018 19:53 (five years ago) link

i loved that it was a movie about poor people but not about /poverty/. no hamfisted attempt at structural critique, no sad-but-hopeful swelling string score, no triumphing over adversity. it was like, actually humanizing. the state as represented by the social workers was also somewhat sympathetic and nuanced, in the interview scenes

― flopson, Friday, 28 December 2018 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You should see Nobody Knows next. Its the one film of his Shoplifters builds on.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 30 December 2018 22:15 (five years ago) link

haven't seen Shoplifters yet, but my favorite Kore-eda film so far is Nobody Knows

Dan S, Sunday, 30 December 2018 22:25 (five years ago) link

thx!

flopson, Monday, 31 December 2018 01:59 (five years ago) link

i saw Maborosi (his first non-documentary) on 35mm at the rep cinema earlier this week. i could have easily watched a week-long version of it

flopson, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 18:49 (five years ago) link

That's top 2/3 from him. Should be re-issued.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 18:50 (five years ago) link

the reel(?) was pretty damaged

some of the long sustained shots in it are still burned in my brain. two in particular i can't stop thinking about
- pitch dark room, light very slowly enters, after maybe a minute you can make out a white comforter, eventually someone opens a window
- funeral procession along a beach with the light above the horizon just above their heads

flopson, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 18:53 (five years ago) link

one of the most threadbare plots (young mother's grandmother disappears, then partner commits suicide, then she moves to the countryside with new lover and raises her children with him, then they just kind of... live a normal life?) i've ever seen in a slow arty film but i didn't even want anything to happen, was how beautiful and perfect it was

flopson, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 18:56 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

A number of people in the Lincoln Center audience couldn't follow the plot of Shoplifters at all. Stupidity rather than age, I think.

It was fine, liked some of the other recent stuff more.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 02:00 (five years ago) link

I think it's a masterpiece.

Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 02:09 (five years ago) link

the discourse!

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 03:41 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

Kirin Kiki, Sakura Ando and Mayu Matsuoko were great in Shoplifters. also the two kids

Dan S, Saturday, 6 April 2019 02:17 (four years ago) link

I loved the casual but deep immersion into everyday life in so many of the scenes, it feels like it’s a filmmaking quality that Kore-eda is really is good at

Dan S, Saturday, 6 April 2019 02:23 (four years ago) link

two weeks pass...

BFI Southbank season starts tomorrow

Zeuhl Idol (Matt #2), Thursday, 25 April 2019 22:18 (four years ago) link

Yeah can't wait to see Maburosi on the big screen. Gonna catch some of the early ones too.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 26 April 2019 10:27 (four years ago) link

excited about seeing maborosi for the first time at the phoenix on sunday. was annoyed that i missed our little sister when it was on the iplayer

devvvine, Friday, 26 April 2019 10:56 (four years ago) link

three months pass...

just got sent the BFI boxed set (= mabarosi, after life, nobody knows, still walking): quid pro quo for them reproducing my 1996 s&s review of mabarosi in the booklet

so this is something nice to look forward to -- mabarosi is one of my favourite ever films but i haven't ever seen nobody knows or still walking

orthography note: bfi now goes with koreeda not kore-eda

mark s, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 13:08 (four years ago) link

Wow, two absolute crackers in waiting for you then! Still Walking deserves its reputation but it’s Storm that kills me. As for Nobody Knows - I’ve never seen anything like it and hope I don’t again, despite loving it.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 13:16 (four years ago) link

three months pass...

Finally saw this, iirc my first Kore-eda since "After Life" (which was, jeez, 20 years ago ?!). I absolutely loved the direction and acting, but the movie/story I thought was only OK. Some surprising parallels to "Parasite," which I also finally just saw (but liked more).

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 14 November 2019 21:07 (four years ago) link

He's got an English-language one with Catherine Deneuve making the rounds.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 November 2019 21:10 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

Just watched Air Doll, and I truly hope it's the worst film he ever makes because I wouldn't like to think he'll direct anything else as poor as this. Haven't read the manga it's based on so maybe the tonal oddness worked better on the page, but it takes itself far too seriously for what is essentially a ludicrous premise (latex sex doll becomes sentient and seeks life's meaning in modern-day Tokyo). Might have worked as a black comedy-horror I guess, and there were a handful of scenes that were pretty compelling, but when you find yourself praying for a film to end you know you're in trouble. Korean actor Bae Doona (she was the archery-expert sister in Bong Joon-Ho's The Host) does a great job in the title role, and the cinematography is beautiful, but the whole thing is scuppered by the shitty script so what's the point?

it's after the end of the world (Matt #2), Thursday, 2 January 2020 10:26 (four years ago) link

I think it's his worst, yeah.

Frederik B, Thursday, 2 January 2020 10:41 (four years ago) link

Gee, I see I've missed a lot. Nobody Knows and Still Walking seemed like possibly the best things ever at the time, but Air Doll and I Wish...didn't. Then I fell out of the loop altogether film-wise and now there's a full 6 (?) consecutive HK features I know little about?

Guess I should I scroll up for views on those innit...

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 2 January 2020 10:56 (four years ago) link

Things turned around after I Wish. Like Father, Like Son and Sisters are still pretty feel good, but much better. After the Storm is just great, my favorite HK film probably since the earliest ones. And Shoplifters won the Golden Palm and is also good, though not quite as good as AtS. Then there's a French one, which got bad reviews

Frederik B, Thursday, 2 January 2020 11:00 (four years ago) link

Great! I just made moves to procure AtS and Shoplifters, for starters. I should really stumble across from ILM more often!

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 2 January 2020 11:48 (four years ago) link

two months pass...

Watching The Truth tonight.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 8 March 2020 20:30 (three years ago) link

three months pass...

Haha. I did watch it that night, my last new film before quarantine. I watched it again this morning. A real departure: Kore-eda imitating Assayas. Familiar but also rather charming, and Deneuve is superb playing an incarnation of herself.

Good Binoche interview: https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/on-mothers-daughters-and-the-truth-a-conversation-with-juliette-binoche/

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 July 2020 15:18 (three years ago) link

Ethan Hawke, muffled 'yikes'

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 3 July 2020 16:17 (three years ago) link

three weeks pass...

the truth was remarkably french

IlIllIIllI (||||||||), Saturday, 25 July 2020 21:24 (three years ago) link

otm

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 25 July 2020 21:26 (three years ago) link

ten months pass...

as a film about children I enjoyed "I Wish". It was not as great as Nobody Knows though

Dan S, Monday, 31 May 2021 01:45 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

Monster is middling Kore-eda, i.e. better than most directors' peaks, but does get bogged down a little in plot contrivances and melodrama. The script plays around with the viewers' sympathy towards various characters to an alarming degree. Stars Sakura Ando from Shoplifters who's even better in this film, one of the most watchable performers around.

Saddest moment was in the final credits when I realised the score was by Ryuichi Sakamoto, in fact his final piece of film work.

4/5

the most powerful man in cornish politics (Matt #2), Friday, 9 February 2024 04:56 (one week ago) link

Yes the Sakamoto moment was a sickener. I ended up loving this, but would have happily watched a film just from the two kids' perspective.

Piedie Gimbel, Friday, 9 February 2024 09:38 (one week ago) link

Yeah, the final part is so good it made the first two parts annoy me.

Frederik B, Friday, 9 February 2024 11:45 (one week ago) link

The thread has skipped Broker, which is pretty wonderful and teams HK once again with Bae Doona of Air Doll, could not be a more different role for her!
I’m looking forward to Monster because it’s a Korēda film, how could I not.
My all-time will forever be After the Storm.

assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 9 February 2024 12:52 (one week ago) link


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