Hirokazu Kore-Eda Thread

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No thread, to my surprise. Only a handful of films released in the states. I haven't seen Maborosi in years but I just rented the newly released Criterion version of Still Waiting, an expert family psychodrama.

a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 14 August 2011 23:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

This guy is amazing. Still Walking is superb, but it's Nobody Knows that gets my vote.

turning in the widening gyre (remy bean), Sunday, 14 August 2011 23:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

(After Life reminds me of Wings of Desire, a little).

turning in the widening gyre (remy bean), Sunday, 14 August 2011 23:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

i like this guy & have somehow only ever seen after life. i have maborosi - which gets a lot of ILX love elsewhere i think - &'ll get around to watching it v soon. he's made quite a lot in the last couple of years, inc. a film about a love doll that's apparently v sensitive & considered, as well as his new kids movie.

i've always wanted to find claire denis' appreciation, written in cahiers du cinema, about the guy.

bruce actual springsteen (schlump), Monday, 15 August 2011 10:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

maybe, if there were a kore-eda film that none of us had seen but which we could obtain, we could have ILX film club & synchro-screen before discussing

bruce actual springsteen (schlump), Monday, 15 August 2011 10:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

have only seen still walking & liked it; also have maborosi waiting to be watched

johnny crunch, Monday, 15 August 2011 11:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

Nobody Knows is streaming on netflix, and Hana is available for rental by mail on Netflix and Greencine. I'm really happy to watch either of them – and I'd love a chance to see the former again, and to discuss it here.

turning in the widening gyre (remy bean), Monday, 15 August 2011 12:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

i'd love to do this; i think i was maybe casting around in the direction of one of the others, because i think i'll find nobody knows moving enough to bawl through, but let's go for it, or first see where everyone else is at in terms of a consensus kore-eda blank spot. online film club, it's exciting.

bruce actual springsteen (schlump), Monday, 15 August 2011 12:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

I haven't seen Nobody Knows!

a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 August 2011 12:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

high five

bruce actual springsteen (schlump), Monday, 15 August 2011 13:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

is it amateurist who really loves maborosi? i think i looked up mentions of kore-eda (plagued by the variable use of his hyphen) a while back & there was an ilxor who called it their favourite film.

bruce actual springsteen (schlump), Monday, 15 August 2011 13:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

so anyway let's do this?, some night in the next week or two, depending on who can get a copy & how soon?

bruce actual springsteen (schlump), Monday, 15 August 2011 22:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

'maborosi' is terrific, though different from the later films (very indebted to ozu, formally) - but i found the final shot so breathtaking i rewound the shitty VHS i was watching it on just to play it again

clams cassingle (donna rouge), Monday, 15 August 2011 22:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

free on netflix streaming, so anybody w/ that access... Maybe we should set up a group chat for afterward? Later this week would be great for my schedule.

turning in the widening gyre (remy bean), Monday, 15 August 2011 22:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

i haven't seen 'still walking', loved 'after life', liked 'nobody knows'

clams cassingle (donna rouge), Monday, 15 August 2011 22:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

he mostly made short documentaries before 'maborosi' right?

clams cassingle (donna rouge), Monday, 15 August 2011 22:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

ys

turning in the widening gyre (remy bean), Monday, 15 August 2011 22:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

He's closer to Renoir than Ozu: the camera placement is less precise, more interested in capturing how the groups of five and six interact with the house and staircase instead of twos and three with each other.

a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 August 2011 22:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

Also the unrepentant grumpy old doctor in Still Waiting would look out of place in an Ozu film.

a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 August 2011 22:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

His cinematographic formalism is less ... formal than Ozu's? Looser? Like you say, he's interested in capturing the tonal nuances of a conversation, especially if it involves more than a pair of actors, but he's also more aware of a traditional narrative thread than Ozu ever was. The comparison isn't inaccurate, though: he's very aware of bodies-in-rooms, and shoots in such a way that space and distance themselves becomes very present.

the widening gyre (remy bean), Tuesday, 16 August 2011 01:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

Still Walking is one of the best family dramas of the last few years, and that's saying alot (think I only liked Summer Hours more). It definitely felt more formal than Nobody Knows, which is better served by the cramped intimacy of the camerawork. Love em both.

Cosmo Vitelli, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 03:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

not much to add but I'll echo the Still Walking love.

corey, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 03:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

(After Life reminds me of Wings of Desire, a little).

― turning in the widening gyre (remy bean), Sunday, 14 August 2011 23:43 (2 days ago)

Good point of comparison. Wings goes in for reverie and manages that quite nicely, but After Life has a really nice no-new-age-bullshit approach (a trap that would be easy to fall into, premise-wise). It's a wonderfully understated movie - underrated? (Wings was a formative movie for me - don't think I'd be as enraptured now, but a lot of moments have stuck - I'm not prepared to take it off it's pedestal yet.)

OWLS 3D (R Baez), Tuesday, 16 August 2011 03:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

Very good to mention Summer Hours too, which I thought of instantly and is my favorite movie of the last three years.

a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 August 2011 11:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

Wasn't that a good film? I'm still unsure of the ending, but I think it's my own baggage more than any fault of Assayas.

the widening gyre (remy bean), Tuesday, 16 August 2011 11:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

I can't think of another movie whose lightness of texture and quickness of pace is so profound.

a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 August 2011 11:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

the palette was gorgeous too –– lush greens, peeling-paint furniture, binoche's salmon-pink hoody

the widening gyre (remy bean), Tuesday, 16 August 2011 11:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Looking for Maburosi on youtube - no luck.

Everything else is really (quietly, devastatingly) good.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 19 November 2011 13:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

diff.spelling maybe? i've seen it as mabarosi and mabaroshi

it is my favourite film ever (also i think youtube would not be kind to some of its darker shots: i saw it first on video, reviewing it for S&S, and very nearly raved abt the fact that he shot several scenes without ANY LIGHT AT ALL) (not in fact true; luckily i caught a proper screening of it before delivering the copy)

mark s, Saturday, 19 November 2011 13:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

Got it - thanks! - Mabaroshi no Hiraki! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53Uj_V0T7s8&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLCDBF2F13AAB7B091

Starts off w/a dark shot you speak of?

Anyway, er, would be good to catch this at a re-screening someday but I can't exactly wait.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 19 November 2011 13:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

And this is the guy that wrote the novel based on the film

http://www.bookslut.com/fiction/2006_03_008097.php

Don't think its been translated.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 19 November 2011 13:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

anyone seen 'i wish' ? looks sorta dubious 2 me but it's now showing @ the art space nearby..

johnny crunch, Saturday, 14 July 2012 15:59 (six years ago) Permalink

haven't seen, would really like to; i hear it's v satisfying (though blah blah minor koreeda blah blah)
i still haven't gotten around to marborosi, which iirc some of us were swearing blood oaths to syncro-screen & report back on a while ago

, Blogger (schlump), Saturday, 14 July 2012 16:10 (six years ago) Permalink

'maborosi' is really beautiful - donna rouge otm here

- but i found the final shot so breathtaking i rewound the shitty VHS i was watching it on just to play it again

― clams cassingle (donna rouge), Monday, August 15, 2011 6:06 PM (10 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yea im not so enthused abt kids as the main characters but i suspect anything he makes is good/worthwhile

also @ some pt i will go take 'after life' out of the library

johnny crunch, Saturday, 14 July 2012 16:18 (six years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

What's dubious about I wish?!?! Looks great, can't wait to see it.

Anyone else?

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 16 February 2013 13:29 (six years ago) Permalink

on US netflix

слабоумие и отвага (cozen), Saturday, 16 February 2013 13:45 (six years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
five months pass...

I spent like 15 minutes trying to write something about this film that didn't sound dumb, so I will just say this: I liked it.

Geoffrey Schweppes (jaymc), Thursday, 17 October 2013 05:34 (five years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

Didn't have high expectations, but After the Storm is easily the best he has made since Still Walking, and sort of a return to the indie look of his early stuff. Some really great images made by basically doing everything a lot quicker, it seems. Hiroshi Abe is an amazing casting since, well, he is too tall for every frame and all his co-stars, and it gives the whole film this sort of off-kilter feel. Highly recommended.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 20:25 (two years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

I loved ATS too, and it's a close cousin to Still Walking in tone. Really loved it, actually.
Bumping this thread because I've ordered the bluray of The Third Murder, a feature of his from 2017 that I haven't seen yet.
Strong recommend for Going My Home too - maybe I like Hiroshi Abe as much as I like Koreeda? No, because I love Kirin Kiki even more.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 30 July 2018 07:02 (ten months ago) Permalink

The Third Murder is quite interesting. Not sure I've wrapped my head around it, so looking forward to hearing what you think.

Frederik B, Monday, 30 July 2018 07:59 (ten months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

I found The Third Murder a disappointment in its last hour. I don't think it's up to the ambiguities in Kore-eda's script. But it's worth a watch.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 August 2018 12:33 (ten months ago) Permalink

four months pass...

Shoplifters is soooosososo good

flopson, Friday, 28 December 2018 05:59 (five months ago) Permalink

Hosono smanged the soundtrack

flopson, Friday, 28 December 2018 05:59 (five months ago) Permalink

yep

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 December 2018 06:20 (five months ago) Permalink

it's brilliant yes, v much a crying in cinema film

imago, Friday, 28 December 2018 09:27 (five months ago) Permalink

i didn’t find it sad actually! kind of had a happy ending imo?

flopson, Friday, 28 December 2018 16:10 (five months ago) Permalink

ambiguous ending. but the last bit with the 'father' and the 'son' i mean

imago, Friday, 28 December 2018 16:11 (five months ago) Permalink

i loved that it was a movie about poor people but not about /poverty/. no hamfisted attempt at structural critique, no sad-but-hopeful swelling string score, no triumphing over adversity. it was like, actually humanizing. the state as represented by the social workers was also somewhat sympathetic and nuanced, in the interview scenes

flopson, Friday, 28 December 2018 16:20 (five months ago) Permalink

Lin going back to her barely out of adolescence negligent parents was the saddest part for me

flopson, Friday, 28 December 2018 16:21 (five months ago) Permalink

Ando's rubbing her face moment in the last fifteen minutes is worthy of Liv Ullmann in intensity.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 December 2018 16:22 (five months ago) Permalink

Tokyo is so beautiful

flopson, Friday, 28 December 2018 16:25 (five months ago) Permalink

which Hirokazu should i watch next? Shoplifters was my first

flopson, Sunday, 30 December 2018 19:22 (five months ago) Permalink

i figure the answer is 'all, in any order' but just in case

flopson, Sunday, 30 December 2018 19:23 (five months ago) Permalink

After Life is still his masterpiece, but if you want something more recent After the Storm was very good as well.

Frederik B, Sunday, 30 December 2018 19:24 (five months ago) Permalink

he's been so damn prolific in the last five years that you should watch'em all, even The Third Murder.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 30 December 2018 19:36 (five months ago) Permalink

Air Doll is...not great tho

resident hack (Simon H.), Sunday, 30 December 2018 19:53 (five months ago) Permalink

i loved that it was a movie about poor people but not about /poverty/. no hamfisted attempt at structural critique, no sad-but-hopeful swelling string score, no triumphing over adversity. it was like, actually humanizing. the state as represented by the social workers was also somewhat sympathetic and nuanced, in the interview scenes

― flopson, Friday, 28 December 2018 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You should see Nobody Knows next. Its the one film of his Shoplifters builds on.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 30 December 2018 22:15 (five months ago) Permalink

haven't seen Shoplifters yet, but my favorite Kore-eda film so far is Nobody Knows

Dan S, Sunday, 30 December 2018 22:25 (five months ago) Permalink

thx!

flopson, Monday, 31 December 2018 01:59 (five months ago) Permalink

i saw Maborosi (his first non-documentary) on 35mm at the rep cinema earlier this week. i could have easily watched a week-long version of it

flopson, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 18:49 (five months ago) Permalink

That's top 2/3 from him. Should be re-issued.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 18:50 (five months ago) Permalink

the reel(?) was pretty damaged

some of the long sustained shots in it are still burned in my brain. two in particular i can't stop thinking about
- pitch dark room, light very slowly enters, after maybe a minute you can make out a white comforter, eventually someone opens a window
- funeral procession along a beach with the light above the horizon just above their heads

flopson, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 18:53 (five months ago) Permalink

one of the most threadbare plots (young mother's grandmother disappears, then partner commits suicide, then she moves to the countryside with new lover and raises her children with him, then they just kind of... live a normal life?) i've ever seen in a slow arty film but i didn't even want anything to happen, was how beautiful and perfect it was

flopson, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 18:56 (five months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

A number of people in the Lincoln Center audience couldn't follow the plot of Shoplifters at all. Stupidity rather than age, I think.

It was fine, liked some of the other recent stuff more.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 02:00 (four months ago) Permalink

I think it's a masterpiece.

Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 02:09 (four months ago) Permalink

the discourse!

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 03:41 (four months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Kirin Kiki, Sakura Ando and Mayu Matsuoko were great in Shoplifters. also the two kids

Dan S, Saturday, 6 April 2019 02:17 (two months ago) Permalink

I loved the casual but deep immersion into everyday life in so many of the scenes, it feels like it’s a filmmaking quality that Kore-eda is really is good at

Dan S, Saturday, 6 April 2019 02:23 (two months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

BFI Southbank season starts tomorrow

Zeuhl Idol (Matt #2), Thursday, 25 April 2019 22:18 (two months ago) Permalink

Yeah can't wait to see Maburosi on the big screen. Gonna catch some of the early ones too.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 26 April 2019 10:27 (two months ago) Permalink

excited about seeing maborosi for the first time at the phoenix on sunday. was annoyed that i missed our little sister when it was on the iplayer

devvvine, Friday, 26 April 2019 10:56 (two months ago) Permalink


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