The clusterfuck that is the Casey Anthony trial

Worst defense team ever? A story that makes little sense about Caylee 'drowning' and the dad/Casey covering it up?

Allegations of sexual abuse that are contradicted by testimony, not proven by the defense, and pit family against each other?

This is a circus!

What the hell is this all about.

is this the tot mom trial?

do not give fuck

shakey mo, i'm surprised at you!

why would I care about this

stupid white people do evil shit every day, who cares

but a little white girl died!

mostly because you're not usually this quick to rush to judgment and issue blanket dismissals about the worth of humanity

I find the nation-condemns-white-trash-parenting media cycle to be tedious, sanctimonious, and unhelpful

tell me more

are I Killed Caylee t shirts a thing because I've seen a few

What possesses someone to wear a shirt like that?

Nancy Grace

lol

Jose Baez is a boring windbag and a bad lawyer. Just sayin'.

Not guilty on most counts, including the very important ones!!!

WUT?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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TOT MOM

I hope Casey Anthony finds the real killer.

wow

I just want to see Nancy Grace have a breakdown over this, I don't think this is too much to ask.

SOMEBODY POST THE "YOU ARE NOT THE FATHER" GIF

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http://imnotjaded.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/maury.gif

holy shit, twist ending

This is p nuts though. I pretty much assumed she was going to be convicted.

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she will be dating jon gosselin by labor day

lmao nicole

THANK U ENBB

Frankie Muniz
I called that she would be found not guilty weeks ago... everyone said I was wrong...

lol

He is the sage of our times.

Good old Frankie M.

NP Jordan :)

Nikki Sixx
I am ashamed and shocked that our legal system failed us and found Casey Anthony not guilty for killing her daughter or any other charges.

http://www.askfrankiemuniz.com/

opportunity only knocks once, y'all

also lol @ Nikki Sixx, she was found guilty of providing false information to the police

local comedian I'm friends with on FB

L@mont Price: This bitch got off! She didn't report her daughter missing for a WHOLE MONTH!!! I know niggas that got YEARS for weed! I'm not kidding even a little bit! .............................................

He raises a p good point.

lol @ Nikki Sixx regardless

xpost

Roseanne Barr
I AM GOING ABSOLUTELY NUTS WITH STRESS AND WORRY BITING MY NAILS--SHAKING--OVER THIS WHOLE THING!

lol @ Nikki Sixx regardless

cannot be overstated IMO

someone said "JIGGA, CASEY NOT GUILTY" on twitter

I LOL'd HARD

ugh @ all this. i honestly don't care at all about this case or the verdict, but people's reactions are super obnoxious and upsetting right now.

SHOW'S OVER, MOVE ALONG PLEASE.

you have to admit that "JIGGA, CASEY NOT GUILY" is something to be cherished tho

people's reactions are super obnoxious and upsetting right now

Moved up to #1 on my list of reasons not to log into Facebook today.

FTW.

I love how they are always GUILTY just because they were charged with a crime. We live in an idiot society run by idiots. I actually watched much of the thing - please grow up there was not enough evidence there to convict her.

Saw a similar response to that Kim Kardashian tweet.

@EliBraden ME TOO!! ITS LIKE WHEN YOUR DAD HELPED GET O.J. OFF!! RT @KimKardashian: WHAT!!??!! CASEY ANTHONY NOT GUILTY!!!! I'm speechless!!!

i kind of assume that OJ etc. have found some kind of mental space where they can allow themselves to think that what happened actually did not happen.

do you think people who commit heinous crimes and then plead innocent actually begin to believe they _are_ innocent?

the thing that strikes me as deeply odd is the ability of humans to believe that they REALLY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED when it comes to things of which they have no firsthand experience of, only a passing familiarity with the most sensationalized aspects. people, seemingly rational people, even, do this all the time, whether it be the tot mom trial, the DSK business, the OJ verdict or whatever. people buy into these secondhand (or thirdhand, or fourthhand) narratives and then run with them as if they were TRUE, like factual, as though any sane person would believe the same thing about this thing that basically no one really knows anything about.

it's fucking weird, and if you spend enough time thinking about it, kind of terrifying.

one of my friends quipped "have we learned nothing from the OJ case", as if the jurors should have conferred and gone "y'know OJ got away with murder, so we need to put this woman away!"

yeah that is v. odd.

still, there has to be someone in history who was acquitted and then publicly admitted to the crime. there must be!

ok wikipedia tells me this has happened a few times in the UK and in fact the people were retried under perjury

the really good thing about the shelved oj memoir was the cover design:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4f/If_I_did_It_2.png

I keep thinking of that Norm MacDonald weekend update sketch:

"You're just mad because I killed your son"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Ignatow

this guy confessed after acquittal after they found photographic proof he did the crime.

'if i did it'

P sure all of my english teachers would have murdered me if i tried to release a book with this title

this interpretation of double jeopardy makes good sense, as prosecutors (i.e., the gov't) could otherwise withhold pieces of evidence so as to enable multiple retrials, subverting the intent of DJ protection.

That would be a ridiculous strategy, I can't see any prosecutor intentionally weakening their case just to get a do-over.

never underestimate the public sector worker's hunger for overtime

the point is that, absent double jeopardy protection, the state could endlessly retry the same person for the same "crime", as a form of harassment. "oh, wait, we found a fiber. new trial! oh, wait, this old lady says she heard something. new trial! oh, wait..."

double jeopardy protection doesn't seek to prevent legitimate retrial (quite the opposite, that's merely a side effect) but rather malicious prosecution.

Ok. but that seems like a pretty unfotunate side effect. The UK allows retrials in the case of "new" and "compelling" evidence and we don't have a problem with malicious state prosecution.

usually by the time it gets to a high profile trial like this, you've got all the major evidence you're going to. the major issue was all of those murder cases that came before DNA testing was utilized, but I think that has done more to exonerate innocent people as opposed to popping up after a guilty person has been freed.

the problem I have with people's reactions is that every time someone who committed a murder possibly goes free, to a lot of people it means he's going to go out and kill 1,230 other people in the ensuing months, and that "we're all in danger". a lot of people only have one murder in them. like it does suck when someone sidesteps the law, but it doesn't mean you have to stay inside all day and fear random gunshots picking you off like in the movie Targets.

hell, murders go unsolved all the time...

i really think people just don't like to se people they think are murderers go free as a first instance, the 'continued danger to the public' thing is an addendum and not the main issue

I'm really curious, re: that Cleveland case, why serial killers haven't yet learned not to bury bodies in their own basements, yards, crawlspaces, etc yet. Or is this part of the attraction, "collecting"? Generally curious about that, seems so weird to me how many of these killers just let the bodies pile up at home.

Serial killers are rarely smart or cautious.

Also in some of those bodies-buried-at-home instances, cops investigated because of reported strange odors, were told, "Oh, that's actually this completely non-suspicious thing causing that smell," and went on their way.

I'd just tell em the truth and see if they laughed it off.

"Oh, must be the bodies in my basement (chuckle)" (cop laughs, leaves)

IIRC, John Wayne Gacy had big neighborhood block parties at his home and was able to reassure his guests about the smell.

'just barbecue'

The smarter/more organized killers have dump sites. (Bundy, Green River Killer, Hillside Stranglers, etc.)

Or there's guys like Ramirez and BTK, who killed people in their own homes and left them there.

Dahmer also deflected cops/neighbors at his door with a "my freezer broke, spoiled meat" excuse.

dahmer talked cops into leaving halfway through a killing iirc

yea, a drugged half-naked man escaped from his home and he protested to the cops not to return him to Dahmer and...they did anyway. that and the fact that the Zodiac was never caught because an APB incorrectly referred to the suspect as a 'black man' baffles me.

yea, a drugged half-naked man escaped from his home and he protested to the cops not to return him to Dahmer and...they did anyway. that and the fact that the Zodiac was never caught because an APB incorrectly referred to the suspect as a 'black man' baffles me.

― Neanderthal, Saturday, July 9, 2011 10:45 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

It's not entirely clear that the Zodiac was actually seen by the cop who was in the area. He saw someone, but the Zodiac probably was covered in blood at the time and the officer would have likely noticed.

i think most serial killers bury folks in the basement or the yard or whatever simply because these locations are handy. and private. any other place, and you have to deal with prying eyes, suspicous packages, curious passersby, and so forth. in your own home, you can control access.

Zodiac claimed that the cop drove right past him, but the Zodiac was a liar. In fact it kind of makes me think the cop didn't drive right past him.

@Matt - I realize it's not entirely clear, but the cop did see someone who closely met the description. may not have been him, but they didn't stop to find out because of the false APB. as you say, hard to tell given the misinformation Zodiac frequently gave, and all the 'fake' Zodiac letters that were released.

Zodiac probably would be caught if he were starting nowadays.

I honestly don't know... At any one time there are dozens of active serial killers in the US and we have a damned hard time catching any of them.

One thing I find odd nowadays is that serial killers aren't news. In the 70s they were front page items. But now it's barely discussed. Perhaps serial killers back then were just more provocative/interesting?

I think the main reason Zodiac would be caught nowadays was because of how high profile he was. A lot of serial killers just do their thing and fly under the radar, but he made himself a media sensation. He struck before cops had fax machines, before DNA testing, etc.

you're right that they don't seem to get the same attention nowadays though. half the time one gets caught it's not even a top rated article on Yahoo!

I think the main reason Zodiac would be caught nowadays was because of how high profile he was. A lot of serial killers just do their thing and fly under the radar, but he made himself a media sensation. He struck before cops had fax machines, before DNA testing, etc.

― Neanderthal, Saturday, July 9, 2011 11:00 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

But the DNA testing would only help if they had the Zodiac as a suspect. And all the suspects were ruled out by the Stine fingerprints.

true -- I will admit I'm not an expert on the matter.

yeah and I'm a total geek on the matter haha

so is general consensus the book that d00d wrote that inspired the movie Zodiac is pretty much mostly bogus and focused too much on Arthur Leigh Allen?

yes. ALA's fingerprints don't match and neither does his physical appearance. You have to come up with a really convoluted theory to explain the Stine fingerprints.

"i think most serial killers bury folks in the basement or the yard or whatever simply because these locations are handy. and private. any other place, and you have to deal with prying eyes, suspicous packages, curious passersby, and so forth. in your own home, you can control access."

OTM. This is why when they are caught they often find many bodies, from murders committed over many years. If there's no connection between the perp and the victim, the cops won't likely ever even be in his house/yard. I wonder how many body-laden houses are out there right now.

yea if the cops ever come here i'm fucked

my house is actually made out of bodies

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if zodiac started today he'd be tweeting #makesyouthink

thanks to this thread for causing me to spend yet another of many mornings combing through Zodiac stuff

while listening to 'torn'

totally forgot until recently that my brother actually got a call from a news reporter asking for commentary on this case during the trial because he'd briefly been friends with fucked a friend of Casey's, and I guess Casey had ripped her off via check fraud shortly after Caylee had gone missing.

my bro hadn't a clue about nothing. man I wish when this was as nutty as things got in this country as opposed to...now.

TOT MOM! that's all I can think about when I hear her name, Nancy Grace screeching like a vulture. TOT MOM!