indefensible: john gruber

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http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/05/11/cameron

asshole

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/05/11/green-day-rip-this-joint

yuppie

(PEDANTIC NOTE: House style here at Daring Fireball is to capitalize the second words in “iPod Mini” and “iPod Photo”, on the basis that they’re proper names, despite the fact that Apple’s marketing style is to use lowercase.)

you write a blog

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/06/08/campus

lol

caek, Thursday, 9 June 2011 09:46 (ten years ago) link

Really beginning to think that Gruber needs his own thread, but I don't want to be the one to start it.

The latest Talk Show podcast, 35-ish minutes in. They're discussing the new iPad cover and he's practically on some kind of nerd interpretation of the old "Magnets? How the fuck do they work?" routine.

So I dare to visit his website today because of his verbal spastic attack, and one of the links is to a news story about the actress from The Wire with his heartfelt and not at all patronisingly semi-racist comment of "That’s a shame, but I’m glad to see her alive."

― James Mitchell, Thursday, March 10, 2011 8:36 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

caek, Thursday, 9 June 2011 09:48 (ten years ago) link

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/06/08/campus

he is a champ at this glib commencement speech bullshit

caek, Thursday, 9 June 2011 09:53 (ten years ago) link

arsehole

It's not like we could go to Islam (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 9 June 2011 09:53 (ten years ago) link

The rate card for his weekly sponsorship is now $5,500 -- $286,000 a year if it sells out at full price.

http://www.businessinsider.com/daring-fireball-2011-3#ixzz1OltvorIZ

not bad considering he just lazily throws up links most of the time.

joe, Thursday, 9 June 2011 10:02 (ten years ago) link

Don't think of iCloud as the new MobileMe; think of iCloud as the new iTunes.
This worked out just as he said.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 9 June 2011 10:08 (ten years ago) link

It also means iPhone users with iPhone-using friends and family no longer need SMS. I’ll cancel my SMS plan as soon as this ships.
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/06/06/imessage
I don’t think over-the-air backups or media syncing are coming soon. Wireless networking just isn’t fast enough. I’m not talking about Wi-Fi syncing over a local network to iTunes running on your Mac or PC — that may well be coming soon, but it wouldn’t solve the “how can these devices be ‘post-PC’ if they require a PC?” problem. We’re not talking about why the iPad needs a USB cable; we’re talking about why it needs a PC, period.
http://daringfireball.net/2011/04/cutting_that_cord

James Mitchell, Thursday, 9 June 2011 10:16 (ten years ago) link

haha, i'd forgotten that. glad that there is a place to document gruber's predictions with the same mixture of obsessiveness and gloating that he reserves for everyone else.

joe, Thursday, 9 June 2011 10:19 (ten years ago) link

"we’re talking about why it needs a PC, period"
What's the profit margins for Apple on iPads and iPhones versus Macbooks and Mac Pros? Suspect this might have something to do with it.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 9 June 2011 10:23 (ten years ago) link

http://daringfireball.net/2005/06/shuffling

The music on FM radio pretty much totally sucks

where did you read that? in a rolling stone you bought at an airport?

caek, Thursday, 9 June 2011 10:31 (ten years ago) link

I’m biased, insofar as I consider Apple’s strategy more appealing than Google’s. But that’s because my interest lies in having the best possible user experience — the best-looking UIs, the lowest-latency responses, the smoothest animation, the most elegant designs. I share that interest with Apple. Google’s interest is in reaching the largest possible audience. That’s why I chose, at the outset of this paragraph, to say that I find Apple’s strategy “more appealing than”, rather than, say, “superior to”, Google’s. Apple’s strategy is correct for optimizing the quality of the user experience. Google’s strategy is correct for maximizing the number of users for its apps.
http://daringfireball.net/2011/06/its_all_software

James Mitchell, Thursday, 16 June 2011 07:39 (ten years ago) link

haha liking this thread no matter how redundant it is - keep em coming

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 16 June 2011 07:49 (ten years ago) link

Will be interesting to see how this pans out. Not sure what it means if it’s true that their initial target is Mobile Safari specifically, not mobile WebKit in general. My guess is that it’s simply a result of Mobile Safari being so far ahead of the Android WebKit engine.
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/06/16/project-spartan

James Mitchell, Thursday, 16 June 2011 19:25 (ten years ago) link

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/06/17/apple-buy-phone-industry

yes, but it would be illegal under US, UK and EU law, so what's your point?

caek, Friday, 17 June 2011 18:09 (ten years ago) link

Has he always been so mean-spirited? I don't remember him being so spiteful just a few years ago.

lukas, Friday, 17 June 2011 21:51 (ten years ago) link

http://diveintomark.org/archives/2011/06/17/come-on-gruber-youre-better-than-this

url a bit generous but otherwise, oh snap

caek, Friday, 17 June 2011 22:58 (ten years ago) link

Gruber seems to be right about things a lot of the time, though that's easy when the people he disagrees with are prone to willfully ignoring the fact that Apple is making hundreds of millions of dollars doing what it's doing and is preposterously unlikely to make any sudden changes in strategy. Also less of a raging, belligerent asshole than you might expect.

T.S. Eliot-themed roach fetish porn (silby), Sunday, 19 June 2011 03:49 (ten years ago) link

Also wrt the "buy whole cell phone industry" post that is sort of following up on an earlier link about how Apple could easily have enough cash in a few years to take itself private. That is, in an industry where firms are frequently assessed by their market cap or their VC funding or what have you, Apple actually has HUMONGOUS FAT STACKS OF CASH.

T.S. Eliot-themed roach fetish porn (silby), Sunday, 19 June 2011 03:52 (ten years ago) link

agreed that this guy is a bit of a dick, he has unsavory triumphalist tendencies, and thinks various middlebrow stuff is the height of human achievement - however as to his core competency, i do believe hes one of the best writers on design out there today

ice cr?m, Sunday, 19 June 2011 03:58 (ten years ago) link

Chock full of SEO crap: My comment on Marco Arment's comment on John Gruber's comment on David Pogue's comment on Google's Chromebook.

James Mitchell, Sunday, 19 June 2011 08:29 (ten years ago) link

Has anyone read the marco aren't Phish post?

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Sunday, 19 June 2011 09:34 (ten years ago) link

Damn autocorrect: Arment

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Sunday, 19 June 2011 09:35 (ten years ago) link

however as to his core competency, i do believe hes one of the best writers on design out there today

he doesn't really do this any more though?

caek, Sunday, 19 June 2011 10:18 (ten years ago) link

Got sick of his blog a while ago - but I have to admit his comment on the Chromebook is kinda on point, why does it deserve a "good try!" sentiment?

Nhex, Sunday, 19 June 2011 14:30 (ten years ago) link

Gruber's predictions that don't come true are still reasonable and make sense when you evaluate the facts available at the time. He can't rely on his mysterious inside sources all the time, you see.

You don't have to believe me, just ask Gruber. He's always Gruber. I mean, right.

mh, Sunday, 19 June 2011 14:52 (ten years ago) link

he doesn't really do this any more though?

― caek, Sunday, June 19, 2011 6:18 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah its not most of his posts, but when he does write a long piece i feel like he really gets where design is at re todays technologies

ice cr?m, Sunday, 19 June 2011 14:55 (ten years ago) link

also hes a v good clear writer

ice cr?m, Sunday, 19 June 2011 14:56 (ten years ago) link

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Just got complimented on my @daringfireball shirt at the Apple Store. Because I'm handsome.
18 hours ago

*stabs twitter in the face*

ice cr?m, Sunday, 19 June 2011 15:42 (ten years ago) link

thought it was really out of line when this guy shot mr takagi

little dieter wants to FUCK (Princess TamTam), Sunday, 19 June 2011 15:50 (ten years ago) link

i really like gruber

which mac writers do you guys really like? i could use some more feeds in my google reader

markers, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 18:46 (ten years ago) link

Jean-Louis Gassee

lukas, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 18:54 (ten years ago) link

totally forgot abt him, thanking u

markers, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 19:21 (ten years ago) link

feel like this post embodies many of his less good qualities

http://grab.by/cBWF

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 21:02 (ten years ago) link

how long till some shill links him this thread and ilx gets ~fireballed~

 summer is coming  (cozen), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 21:04 (ten years ago) link

one can dream

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 21:05 (ten years ago) link

You are trying to view American McCarver on a shitty browser. Won't work.
http://americanmccarver.com/

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 12:37 (nine years ago) link

Note that the UI screenshots are even set in Helvetica, not Arial. Some of the best evidence of good taste at Google I can ever recall.

duly noted.

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/06/28/google-plus-videos

joe, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 20:51 (nine years ago) link

guh arial and helvetica are like exactly the same shit stfu already

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 20:54 (nine years ago) link

A friend shared this blog post on Google Reader: http://stu.mp/2011/06/dear-yahoo-hire-me-as-your-next-ceo.html

I’d buy the NYT (for a mere $1.5bn!) and recruit John Gruber to be Editor in Chief of the “Yahoo! News” division.

I cried a little.

mh, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:04 (nine years ago) link

Oh god, until I read that blog post in full I thought that was a joke, like forcing him to cover stories about Microsoft.

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 20:40 (nine years ago) link

Cringely's been half-nuts for years. Now I think he's full-nuts.
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/06/29/joke

James Mitchell, Thursday, 30 June 2011 09:24 (nine years ago) link

well, he's got a point

caek, Thursday, 30 June 2011 09:26 (nine years ago) link

I guess it's not as bad as how he keeps referring to Paul Thurrott as a 'dick' purely because he writes about Microsoft.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 30 June 2011 09:36 (nine years ago) link

cringelys nutsness is the best part of his shtick, guy is not afraid to think big

ice cr?m, Thursday, 30 June 2011 15:37 (nine years ago) link

I don't think Cringely's being nuts there! Even if Jobs is showing pictures of full server rooms, it's not like he's shown pictures of the entire interior of the facility, and it's completely possible that it's not that densely populated.

mh, Thursday, 30 June 2011 15:38 (nine years ago) link

yeah but thats not some weird conspiracy designed to intimidate rivals, its just building out future capacity

ice cr?m, Thursday, 30 June 2011 15:43 (nine years ago) link

p sure this dood killed caylee http://horace.dediu.usesthis.com

ice cr?m, Thursday, 7 July 2011 03:51 (nine years ago) link

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/05/11/cameron

asshole

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/07/08/murdoch

"congratulations to the tories"

joe, Friday, 8 July 2011 20:18 (nine years ago) link

wish someone would put this asshole in a room w/paul thurrott and then they can mutually annihilate each other

Once Were Moderators (DG), Friday, 8 July 2011 20:22 (nine years ago) link

You are trying to view American McCarver on a shitty browser. Won't work.

maybe i've just been developing for legacy browsers too long at this point, but this kills me. laziest shit ever - you run a SPORTS BLOG ffs

latest post indicates he's earning about $25k/month from his new 15-minute daily podcast

sean gramophone, Friday, 15 May 2020 13:47 (one year ago) link

im banky

megan thee macallan 18 year (||||||||), Friday, 15 May 2020 13:50 (one year ago) link

banky!!!!! Hello

silby, Friday, 15 May 2020 16:47 (one year ago) link

Ok I checked the numbers they are basically correct.

latest post indicates he's earning about $25k/month from his new 15-minute daily podcast


It’s cohosted with Ben Thompson who earns $2-3m/year from his newsletter so I’m surprised it’s that little tbh and am not sure what Gruber can possibly bring to the table apart from a buggy Perl implementation of markdown

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 15 May 2020 23:32 (one year ago) link

(Sorry that first sentence is from a draft post on another thread lol zing)

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 15 May 2020 23:34 (one year ago) link

xp a deep love of the work of Stanley Kubrick

mh, Friday, 15 May 2020 23:34 (one year ago) link

Opinions about fonts

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 15 May 2020 23:39 (one year ago) link

cocktail recipes

silby, Friday, 15 May 2020 23:42 (one year ago) link

looked at the podcast post and it's amazing how he managed to make a bulleted list of changes into a series of short essays

the podcast is likely no less concise, eh?

mh, Friday, 15 May 2020 23:46 (one year ago) link

He’s just fucking with us as this point

“Among his many memorable roles, a favorite of mine was Shelby Forthright, the CEO of Buy-N-Large in WALL-E.”

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 17 May 2020 01:44 (one year ago) link

A head-scratcher

silby, Sunday, 17 May 2020 02:10 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

Saw he ended a post about some anti-mask agitators in Utah with the judgment that they’re all “stupid” which is just phenomenal on his part, not eugenicist at all

all cats are beautiful (silby), Saturday, 18 July 2020 16:10 (eleven months ago) link

They’re all stupid sorry

carin' (map), Saturday, 18 July 2020 16:17 (eleven months ago) link

If I have one article of faith it’s that “people are stupid” and “these people are stupid” are poor explanations for anything

all cats are beautiful (silby), Saturday, 18 July 2020 16:23 (eleven months ago) link

i hear you, i've been thinking a lot about it lately. i want to not believe in the concept of stupidity but i find it pretty difficult. like i think it's obviously meant to be belittling so that part of it is .. stupid lol .. and not really insightful if the goal is to understand someone's behavior. in the case of john gruber it says more about him than the subject. on the other hand i think that people definitely get some sort of validation from performing stupidity. my experience with this group of utah valley mormons is that there is a certain faction that functions and bonds together through performances of stupidity.. i.e. ignoring and rejecting behaviors that are outside the bounds of their magical thinking belief systems. it reinforces group identity and the local hierarchy. even if these people are smart in other ways - they obviously possess some kind of native intelligence and range of cognitive skills if they're existing day to day - they are being stupid here: performing stupidity. i'm sorry but that's absolutely what they're doing and ultimately i think it's disingenuous and condescending not to be forthright about what their behavior is. it's being stupid. they love it and get off on it, it performs a function for them.

carin' (map), Saturday, 18 July 2020 17:06 (eleven months ago) link

“Acting stupid” vs “being stupid” is a useful distinction here that I hadn’t really considered, thanks.

all cats are beautiful (silby), Saturday, 18 July 2020 17:10 (eleven months ago) link

sure

carin' (map), Saturday, 18 July 2020 17:15 (eleven months ago) link

That kind of distinction comes up a lot in parenting. Even for compliments.

dan selzer, Saturday, 18 July 2020 17:17 (eleven months ago) link

yeah lot to chew on there re: acting stupid. been thinking bout this stuff too

brimstead, Saturday, 18 July 2020 18:49 (eleven months ago) link

its all how you act, averaged out

lag∞n, Monday, 20 July 2020 14:43 (eleven months ago) link

one month passes...

Very OTM in this rant:

Just because there is now a multi-billion-dollar industry based on the abject betrayal of our privacy doesn’t mean the sociopaths who built it have any right whatsoever to continue getting away with it. They talk in circles but their argument boils down to entitlement: they think our privacy is theirs for the taking because they’ve been getting away with taking it without our knowledge, and it is valuable. No action Apple can take against the tracking industry is too strong.

DJI, Thursday, 3 September 2020 21:52 (nine months ago) link

Wow

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Thursday, 3 September 2020 22:58 (nine months ago) link

if Apple added some new api for delivering ads he’d be like “well I don’t like ads, but Apple is ensuring quality ads”

he’s otm in this post, though!

irn-scamp (mh), Friday, 4 September 2020 13:27 (nine months ago) link

saw a post a couple weeks ago where he said working at facebook was like working for nazis or something, credit where credits due grubers on a roll

lag∞n, Friday, 4 September 2020 14:36 (nine months ago) link

maybe the world finally broke grubes

irn-scamp (mh), Friday, 4 September 2020 17:09 (nine months ago) link

six months pass...

I love my HomePods, but clearly the market deemed them too expensive. I think part of the problem is that the real HomePod experience is having two of them paired — they sound more than twice as good as a single HomePod. So to get the real HomePod experience, it’s $600 (and used to be $700).

Canon in Deez (silby), Saturday, 13 March 2021 06:11 (three months ago) link

You mean like having regular stereo speakers?

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Saturday, 13 March 2021 07:32 (three months ago) link

No, this is different.

Canon in Deez (silby), Saturday, 13 March 2021 07:36 (three months ago) link

why not go quadraphonic HomePod

Joe Bombin (milo z), Saturday, 13 March 2021 07:45 (three months ago) link

homequad

Joe Bombin (milo z), Saturday, 13 March 2021 07:45 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

he is such an arsehole
https://daringfireball.net/linked/2021/04/27/ride-out-the-storm

stet, Wednesday, 28 April 2021 14:51 (one month ago) link

without clicking I'm going to infer he's chiming in for some godawful reason on the Basecamp kerfuffle

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Wednesday, 28 April 2021 15:03 (one month ago) link

lol gotta be

lag∞n, Wednesday, 28 April 2021 15:08 (one month ago) link

he was also right about this: "Saw he ended a post about some anti-mask agitators in Utah with the judgment that they’re all “stupid” which is just phenomenal on his part, not eugenicist at all"

akm, Wednesday, 28 April 2021 15:14 (one month ago) link

oh but he's wrong about basecamp if in fact he's indicating support for them

akm, Wednesday, 28 April 2021 15:15 (one month ago) link

Yeah it’s Basecamp. And he then got the mildest amount of stick on Twitter and is now on about how Twitter is a hate machine.

stet, Wednesday, 28 April 2021 15:55 (one month ago) link

zzzzzzz how predictable

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Wednesday, 28 April 2021 15:57 (one month ago) link

he is _such_ an arsehole
https://daringfireball.net/linked/2021/04/27/ride-out-the-storm🕸


lmao he really nailed it, just ride it out.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 1 May 2021 01:23 (one month ago) link

the man is an expert in everything

lag∞n, Saturday, 1 May 2021 01:24 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

lmao what a fucking loser

lag∞n, Monday, 7 June 2021 17:23 (two weeks ago) link

real "I pay you so you have to do anything I say" vibes there

stet, Monday, 7 June 2021 17:29 (two weeks ago) link

so much for his "I'm going to read and learn from having my ass handed to me about Basecamp"

stet, Monday, 7 June 2021 17:30 (two weeks ago) link

where did he say that?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 7 June 2021 17:34 (two weeks ago) link

real "I pay you so you have to do anything I say" vibes there

― stet, Monday, June 7, 2021 1:29 PM (eleven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

hes so transparently ignorant with this companies are not democracies shit, meanwhile at actual apple theyre dealing with the simple truth that keeping employees happy is important to their business

lag∞n, Monday, 7 June 2021 17:45 (two weeks ago) link

On Basecamp, I’ve made a few assumptions that have been right, but more that have been wrong. So I feel I’m better off — for now — listening, reading, and learning, not talking, writing, or preaching.

— John Gruber (@gruber) May 5, 2021

xp

stet, Monday, 7 June 2021 17:47 (two weeks ago) link

lmao

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 7 June 2021 18:26 (two weeks ago) link

well a month’s enough of that surely

Tracer Hand, Monday, 7 June 2021 22:16 (two weeks ago) link

Wait til he hears about trade unions. The gall of these people

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 8 June 2021 12:42 (two weeks ago) link

would be fun to go to work at apple and be the only person there, riding an electric scooter around the giant loop blasting whitney houston from a bluetooth speaker

lag∞n, Tuesday, 8 June 2021 12:54 (two weeks ago) link


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