Poll: what's the worst part of getting old?

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"Me, getting old? I'll be young forever!"

Yeah, right.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Reduced energy levels 12
Deteriorating hearing 7
Memory problems 7
Metabolism slowdown 5
Bowel/elimination problems (including hemorrhoids) 5
Longer times to recover from injury or exercise 5
Deteriorating vision 4
Growing hair where you don't want to grow it 3
Papery skin/loss of elasticity in skin/wrinkles 3
Dental problems 2
Fear of falling/fear of injury/loss of physical courage 2
Reduced libido 1
Graying hair 1
Slower reflexes 1
Thickening/yellowing of nails 0
Eating/Digestion problems 0
Moles 0
Melanin deposits/age spots 0
Losing hair where you don't want to lose it 0


Stomp! in the name of love (WmC), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:42 (nine years ago) link

The real worst part of getting old: Getting old alone.

Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:44 (nine years ago) link

You forgot:

Increased tolerance for aging, balding male singer-songwriters.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:44 (nine years ago) link

The real worst part of getting old: Getting old alone.

― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), dinsdag 10 mei 2011 17:44 (56 seconds ago) Bookmark

;_;

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:45 (nine years ago) link

I know it shouldn't be. But the prospect frankly scares the shit out of me.

Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:47 (nine years ago) link

Damn, I meant to include an "Other (please explain)" option.

Stomp! in the name of love (WmC), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:48 (nine years ago) link

waking up at night to pee

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:48 (nine years ago) link

That's a good one. I knew I would forget a bunch of these. Guess I should vote for loss of memory.

Stomp! in the name of love (WmC), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:49 (nine years ago) link

Is that a getting old thing? I started doing this in only the last year but I didn't realize that's why. Damn.

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:49 (nine years ago) link

Hangovers.

Reduced libido is actually kind of a relief.

thirdalternative, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:49 (nine years ago) link

I just thought I was drinking to much diet coke in the evenings. :(

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:50 (nine years ago) link

i have five of the things on this list and i'm 26!

Introducing the Hardline According to (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:50 (nine years ago) link

old

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:51 (nine years ago) link

Growing hair where you don't want to grow it

I wonder about this one a lot. Like, why do old men grow hair in their ears? Is there some sort of reason for this? It's kind of baffling. Also, gross.

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:53 (nine years ago) link

none of the above

"not reduced libido" wd be the answer

objectionable petty a-hole (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:53 (nine years ago) link

I tried to do a handstand for Beeps the other night and nearly broke my neck. Who knew your body could forget how to do handstands?? I need yoga classes.

calling planet smurf (sunny successor), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:54 (nine years ago) link

Most depressing thread ever.

I'll let you know when I really am old.

Never been able to do handstands.

Evil Eau (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:54 (nine years ago) link

other, death

thomp, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:55 (nine years ago) link

Increased tolerance for aging, balding male singer-songwriters.

― ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, May 10, 2011 11:44 AM (9 minutes ago)

oh FUCk, I have this symptom and I am 23. life is too short :-S

every time you touch me (I get hives) (unregistered), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:55 (nine years ago) link

xp

yeah "steady approach of death" was maybe my number 2

objectionable petty a-hole (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:56 (nine years ago) link

"Other (please explain)" option: I'm getting old without anyone else who can remember my body/self when I was young. There's no one to be the keeper of sweet memories of/for me; once my younger self is gone, she may as well never have existed. Shared with no one = wasted? Feels like it.

Somehow the fact that *I was there for those years doesn't matter? I don't know why I don't matter.

Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:57 (nine years ago) link

Well damn. Annoying, uncomfortable and embarrassing things which are going to keep getting worse for the rest of your life: the poll.

Ho hum.

russ conway's game of life (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:57 (nine years ago) link

lol

Stomp! in the name of love (WmC), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:58 (nine years ago) link

i'm actually sort of looking forward to losing libido.

Introducing the Hardline According to (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:58 (nine years ago) link

stfu

backlash stan straw man fan (m coleman), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:00 (nine years ago) link

tolerance for aging balding singy-songwriters is kind of one of the better things about getting old, or at least not giving a shit about bollocks youth cult punk values and what musicians look like and other misguided young people stuff

objectionable petty a-hole (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:00 (nine years ago) link

only if the aging baldy singer-songwriters aren't boring.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:00 (nine years ago) link

cancer, arthritis, risk of addiction to prescription pain meds, dementia, death

sarahel, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:01 (nine years ago) link

I'm 36 and voting DENTAL. I started flossing regularly at about 30 but it was too late. Things have been going all to shit the past 3 years.

ruingin (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:01 (nine years ago) link

Oh my teeth started going around age 20. Forget that.

Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:02 (nine years ago) link

yeah Alfred otm but the singer-songwriter slide into schmaltz is part of a more general thing:

if you don't watch out as you get older you become prone to this particularly intoxicating state of wistful, sentimental, nostalgic melancholy which is *about* the extent of the pastness of your own past, its irretrievability, your mortality, friends who are dead, love affairs that are long gone etc.

it can be a beautiful feeling to just embrace and let it happen, but it can also turn you into a sap and a bore if you aren't careful, because it rests upon a loss of curiosity and interest in what is happening now and what is to come in favor of what already was

the tune is space, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:03 (nine years ago) link

only if the aging baldy singer-songwriters aren't boring

well yeah but name me a genre that doesn't apply to. i reckon most people who consciously drift into "old people music" probably liked some awful guff when they were younger too

objectionable petty a-hole (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:03 (nine years ago) link

worst part of aging is regretting thigns you haven't done imo.

Evil Eau (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:04 (nine years ago) link

Losing libido or otherwise is all very well if you lose it at exactly the same rate as whoever you might be sharing it with.

I started flossing regularly at about 30 but it was too late.

Oh no... (31, hate flossing.)

russ conway's game of life (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:04 (nine years ago) link

other, death

― thomp, Tuesday, May 10, 2011 11:55 AM

Brad C., Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:04 (nine years ago) link

The ones that have started to show themselves to me:

Losing hair where you don't want to lose it
Growing hair where you don't want to grow it
Graying hair
Eating/Digestion problems
Memory problems

The first two in tandem are, at this point, an unbeatable combo.

scissorlocks and the three bears (Eric H.), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:06 (nine years ago) link

(Graying hair is pretty awesome, tho.)

scissorlocks and the three bears (Eric H.), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:06 (nine years ago) link

They're not the worst part of aging, but all these new* moles on my face are really pissing me off.

* arrived in the last five years or so

Stomp! in the name of love (WmC), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:09 (nine years ago) link

Going with hearing here, which didn't hit me until last year. Specifically it was a Mastodon show, but I'm guessing it was straw-camel's back thing. Already noticing myself asking people to repeat things more often. Oh well. Overall I feel good physically, so so far I'm not complaining. Definitely losing hair on top, but that doesn't bother me.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:14 (nine years ago) link

the best thing about getting old is that you can enjoy being uncool

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:16 (nine years ago) link

Went to bar full of hipsters last night, looked around at busy groups of cool kids, sat alone, read book, felt not a single twinge of discomfort. Thought: WHY DID THIS TAKE ME SO LONG, THIS IS AWESOME.

Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:17 (nine years ago) link

haha exactly!

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:18 (nine years ago) link

Last two posts totally otm.

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:19 (nine years ago) link

Hi, old person here (50).

Hasn't happened at all:
Losing hair where you don't want to lose it
Deteriorating hearing
Deteriorating vision
Graying hair
Papery skin/loss of elasticity in skin/wrinkles
Slower reflexes

Right, I was going to categorise the list but it seems they are mostly not happening as yet.

So, yay me, I guess.

What's not on the list:

The idea that 100 years ago is something that actually exists on film. and that you can see things from 50 years ago that look like they were filmed yesterday.

Some other stuff that might depress you (i.e. people not around anymore, let's put it that way)

Then again, it's sunny, there are people around that you can have a laff with, also that the idea of being old is not something you have to subscribe to nowadays. Back when I was a kid, people of 20-30 would dress like they were 50-60. Nowadays, it's the other way around.

Mark G, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:19 (nine years ago) link

ya but you were secretly cooler than them in that scenario so it doesn't count xp

iatee, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:20 (nine years ago) link

Additions?

Increased tolerance for aging, balding male singer-songwriters.
Nope.

The real worst part of getting old: Getting old alone.
Less alone now than I've ever been.

OK, when you say old, where is the dotted line?

Mark G, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:21 (nine years ago) link

x-posts It's totally liberating and awesome and I think it happens, in part, because you realize that so much that you maybe once considered cool is just dumb bs.

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:21 (nine years ago) link

unless you were reading 'the girl with the dragon tattoo' or 'twilight' xp

iatee, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:22 (nine years ago) link

looooooooool

objectionable petty a-hole (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:25 (nine years ago) link

Went to bar full of hipsters last night, looked around at busy groups of cool kids, sat alone, read book, felt not a single twinge of discomfort. Thought: WHY DID THIS TAKE ME SO LONG, THIS IS AWESOME.

― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:17 (6 minutes ago) Permalink

Were you at Harefield Rd? I think I saw you.

thirdalternative, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:26 (nine years ago) link

i stopped midstep at a fellas desk today to discuss something with him and tweaked my MCL

godfellaz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 22:25 (one year ago) link

ach, you athletes are always lording it, with your MCLs and whatnot. Whyn't you have ordinary muscles like the rest of god's creation?

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 00:01 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

Agree vehemently with the posters that commented on the loss of childlike enthusiasm/excitement being worse than any physical diminishment. I'm now to the point where my metabolism is definitely crashing, and my joints hurt on the regular, and my hair is long gone, except where I would rather not have hair, and yet all I want to be able to do is to attend a haunted hayride with the same level of thrill I had about it at age 13.

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Thursday, 24 October 2019 17:35 (eleven months ago) link

My tip for regaining it: learn a new skill. Be a beginner at something — anything that requires practice — the zing of being able to learn is wrapped up in that enthusiasm for me at least.

Id like to add “losing my balance” to worst things about being old. I’d love to feel super steady & nimble on my feet like I used to but every winter I live in fear of tripping, falling, and breaking myself.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 24 October 2019 18:03 (eleven months ago) link

Given that I lost my childlike enthusiasm/excitement when I was about 9, I'm having trouble relating.

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 October 2019 18:20 (eleven months ago) link

I hate not being able to do more than ten minutes on the treadmill. Also having to spend a hundred dollars a month on face cream.

Rilke Still Sucks, IMO (I M Losted), Thursday, 24 October 2019 19:48 (eleven months ago) link

two months pass...

Here's something they don't tell you in the brochure: when you stab yourself, cutting the cheese, it takes a day and a half to start bleeding and another day and a half to stop.

Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Saturday, 18 January 2020 14:36 (eight months ago) link

What I've learnt is when I slip and fall in the mud in the dark and initially think: thank goodness nothing broken or sprained - I just look like a fool. But it takes three days for the pain to arrive these days, where I've pulled something in my side and now every time I even slightly strain my torso or even sneeze it hurts a lot.

calzino, Saturday, 18 January 2020 14:46 (eight months ago) link

Posterior vitreous detachment in both eyes now.

#GritterButty (doo dah), Saturday, 18 January 2020 16:04 (eight months ago) link

waking up at night to pee

― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, May 10, 2011 10:48 AM

My biggest complaint atm. Last night was the first night in months that I made it through without having to get up.

Miami weisse (WmC), Saturday, 18 January 2020 16:12 (eight months ago) link

Enjoy it while you can.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 18 January 2020 16:46 (eight months ago) link

I have to get up in the night a couple of times usually, but it scarcely bothers me - unless I’m staying somewhere like a cheap hotel with a bathroom down the corridor.

Luna Schlosser, Saturday, 18 January 2020 18:10 (eight months ago) link

I don’t fear dying, but I do fear marking as “so not gonna happen” to more and more things in my to-do list.

rb (soda), Saturday, 18 January 2020 18:47 (eight months ago) link

enjoying the randomness of how one body part will, for no good reason, hurt for a few days. then it goes away and some other body part takes its turn

mookieproof, Saturday, 18 January 2020 20:27 (eight months ago) link

Knowing the names of the last four UN secretaries- general but not the current one

Alba, Sunday, 19 January 2020 13:15 (eight months ago) link

I hurt my knee riding a bicycle on Friday! Didn't fucking do anything awkward or any cool tricks or anything. Was just riding and suddenly as I was pedaling downward there was pain.

☮️ (peace, man), Sunday, 19 January 2020 13:18 (eight months ago) link

Hangovers.

Frozen Mug (Tom D.), Sunday, 19 January 2020 13:28 (eight months ago) link

I only drink on rare occasions now, but inadvertently got wrecked at an xmas party last month and the hangover lasted for days.

☮️ (peace, man), Sunday, 19 January 2020 14:01 (eight months ago) link

I find I keep gagging on stuff - be it water, tea or my own saliva. Even my throat can't be arsed any more.

Ngolo Cantwell (Chinaski), Sunday, 19 January 2020 16:01 (eight months ago) link

I definitely get things down the wrong pipe more. Vaguely concerned I am on the road to full out dysphagia. I should put in my advance directive that I would rather die from choking or inhalation pneumonia rather than go to pureed diet.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Monday, 20 January 2020 01:05 (eight months ago) link

I’ve always had the wrong pipe problem, since I was a kid. I hasn’t harmed me so I’m not too worried.

Dan S, Monday, 20 January 2020 02:09 (eight months ago) link

Walked 12,000 steps for three days in a row in Boston last week in either Red Wing boots or Chuck Taylors and ... I am still paying for it big time. My lower back has never felt this ridiculously like a crypt-ready set of mismatched, ill-aligned bones. Bent over yesterday to put the leash on the dog and flat out ruined my back for hours and hours. Radiated pain felt like I'd been kneed in the groin.

And yet, the acute pain was for hours and hours, not days and days or years and years. So I guess it's not that bad just yet.

temporarily embarrassed thousandaire (Eric H.), Monday, 20 January 2020 03:31 (eight months ago) link

When I see this thread title I can't ward off "The best part of wakin up.... is Folger's in your cup!"

― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand)

^^^ same for over 8 years now

buzza, Monday, 20 January 2020 03:47 (eight months ago) link

I'm so old, I remember those old ads.

That was back before they were doing the incest ones.

pplains, Monday, 20 January 2020 15:27 (eight months ago) link

The worst part of getting old is that there's so much more incest in advertising.

temporarily embarrassed thousandaire (Eric H.), Monday, 20 January 2020 15:28 (eight months ago) link

my left knee was throbbing during most of Little Women last night. I am going to have to start dropping some theaters based on what their seats/legroom inflict on me.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 January 2020 15:40 (eight months ago) link

xp

Marry Yo’ Brothers?

calzino, Monday, 20 January 2020 15:44 (eight months ago) link

apparently when you reach a certain age you start insisting on speakerphone; fortunately i'm not there yet

mookieproof, Monday, 20 January 2020 21:22 (eight months ago) link

When I see this thread title I can't ward off "The best part of wakin up.... is Folger's in your cup!"

― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand)

^^^ same for over 8 years now

― buzza, Monday, January 20, 2020 3:47 AM (seventeen hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

i don't remember ever seeing this thread but it just happened to me now

ingredience (map), Monday, 20 January 2020 21:23 (eight months ago) link

I find it exhausting feeling panicked over every little thing I notice health-wise. I think I've diagnosed myself with some calamitous malady about 30 times the past year. Typical: this morning I noticed some redness on my left foot. No big deal, but when it was still there when I got back from a movie a few hours later, the first thing I thought of was diabetes, and that I was headed for amputation. (Not having any idea what a diabetic foot actually looks like, but remembering that many years ago a doctor told me I was at risk for diabetes.) Two after hours that, the redness was of course gone. This panic is routine for me, and knowing how irrational it is doesn't help.

clemenza, Friday, 24 January 2020 03:51 (eight months ago) link

boring answer but stiff, aching joints. i walk like i'm 90 yrs old for the first 10 minutes of the day

I have not yet begun to fart (rip van wanko), Friday, 24 January 2020 04:02 (eight months ago) link

cosign

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 24 January 2020 04:12 (eight months ago) link

Walked 12,000 steps for three days in a row in Boston last week in either Red Wing boots or Chuck Taylors

while one "should" be walking 7000 steps a day or more, doing it barefoot is much more healthy than doing it in Converse. (idk what Red Wing boots are like)

don't care didn't ask still clappin (sic), Friday, 24 January 2020 04:54 (eight months ago) link

People need to lay off on Converse sneakers on these boards! Perfectly good shoes until oh wait what thread is this

El Tomboto, Friday, 24 January 2020 04:57 (eight months ago) link

Anyway the correct answer to this thread is outliving your loved ones. The rest is narcissism

El Tomboto, Friday, 24 January 2020 04:58 (eight months ago) link

I find it exhausting feeling panicked over every little thing I notice health-wise. I think I've diagnosed myself with some calamitous malady about 30 times the past year. Typical: this morning I noticed some redness on my left foot. No big deal, but when it was still there when I got back from a movie a few hours later, the first thing I thought of was diabetes, and that I was headed for amputation. (Not having any idea what a diabetic foot actually looks like, but remembering that many years ago a doctor told me I was at risk for diabetes.) Two after hours that, the redness was of course gone. This panic is routine for me, and knowing how irrational it is doesn't help.

― clemenza, Thursday, January 23, 2020 10:51 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

this has been my entire year so far; the age component is primarily that a) you no longer get to reassure yourself with "it's probably nothing; this isn't generally a concern for people yet at your age," and b) your parents are growing older too, so it might happen that they experience the same symptoms and then for them it turns out to be congestive heart failure (not the advanced kind, thank god)

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 24 January 2020 06:18 (eight months ago) link

Yes! I keep getting mystery ailments that last just long enough to convince me that I'm really dying this time before they disappear just as mysteriously. I spend way too much time convinced that I definitely have a deadly disease.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 24 January 2020 06:28 (eight months ago) link

We’ve had about three (very minor and false) cancer scares in the last year. But cancer is v close to us.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 24 January 2020 07:13 (eight months ago) link

I've been taking out of date Co-dydramols to deal with pain from a nasty fall outside last week. The kind of minor accident I'd have forgotten about in days in my 20's/30's but now the pain lingers on for a week. That sense that even seemingly minor accidents can be life-changing events in an ageing fucked up body is what I'm feeling today. And still every time I need to sneeze I have to brace myself for a sharp pain down the side of my torso.

calzino, Friday, 24 January 2020 09:03 (eight months ago) link

while one "should" be walking 7000 steps a day or more, doing it barefoot is much more healthy than doing it in Converse. (idk what Red Wing boots are like)

― don't care didn't ask still clappin (sic)

Barefoot only if you're walking on sand or grass. Concrete not so much.

nickn, Friday, 24 January 2020 17:30 (eight months ago) link

two weeks pass...

I'm at the age now where my among my friends everyone who is going to get married probably has, everyone who wants kids does or has moved on, and the first round "we made a mistake" divorces have happened. Friend's kids graduating / marrying / having kids is still to come, along with some number of "we've grown apart and the kids are grown" divorces.

But right now seems to be the "friends get cancer and die" stage and it fucking sucks. A former colleague's husband died in December, a very close friend's wife died last night, and former colleague of my wife is starting hospice this week. I kind of knew this was inevitable but the randomness of fate and mortality is just sad and awful.

joygoat, Thursday, 13 February 2020 14:40 (seven months ago) link

When I celebrated my 50th birthday I told people that, realistically speaking, I was now in 'the death zone', where age-related mortality rates begin to rise. It seemed important to acknowledge that. It still does, now that I am mid-60s.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 13 February 2020 18:24 (seven months ago) link

50 years ago today pic.twitter.com/FrRIjUXQrF

— Geezer Butler (@geezerbutler) February 13, 2020

mark s, Thursday, 13 February 2020 22:33 (seven months ago) link

"Geezer" indeed

Brad C., Thursday, 13 February 2020 22:53 (seven months ago) link

Forever young in the UK tho.

romanesque architect (pomenitul), Thursday, 13 February 2020 22:55 (seven months ago) link

think i'm about to receive my first invitation to a friend's child's wedding

mookieproof, Thursday, 27 February 2020 00:25 (seven months ago) link

Christgau's newest post--"The 77 Year Old Rock Critic meets his 77-year-old body"--is quite sobering.

clemenza, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 14:15 (six months ago) link

Forgot that he gives the okay for sharing; if you don't subscribe and want to read it, it's here.

http://robertchristgau.substack.com/p/my-thigh-hurts?r=1jtu0&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&utm_source=copy

clemenza, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 14:39 (six months ago) link

Okay, finally, a couple years into this bogus 'forties' bullshit and the joint pain has finally begun in earnest. I can tell a nor'easter is on its way jist by listenin' to m'knees, a-yep. Yessir. (returns to whittling while rocking on the front porch of the general store)

Lake Meat (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 14:44 (six months ago) link

Picked this off my shelf out of the blue the other day; highly recommend it to anyone over, I don't know, 50 or so.

http://phildellio.tripod.com/cowley.jpg

clemenza, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 14:51 (six months ago) link


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