A BLOGGER HAS TO TAKE A POSITION
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 9 May 2011 13:04 (twelve years ago) link
a new position!let's go fishin' in the river of life
― ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 May 2011 13:09 (twelve years ago) link
(From Alfred's piece linked to above) Longtime readers will have noticed that the bloom is DEFINITELY off the rose when it comes to Obama
I wouldn't go that far. His support of Obama isn't as unwavering as it was in 2008, agreed--that'd pretty much be impossible once someone starts governing--but he's still very supportive most of the time. He was tough on him over DADT, but eventually decided that Obama's handling of the matter made sense. He's been tough on some of Obama's budgetary and deficit dodges, but that comes and goes. When he has what he feels is cause to praise Obama--like with Bin Laden, or the Giffords speech--he still gushes. And I always get the feeling that he's looking to do that as often as possible.
― clemenza, Monday, 9 May 2011 14:40 (twelve years ago) link
But a blogger has to take a position, even if not make a decision, for an idea to reach fruition, and to see what condition, our condition is in, can I get a 'praise god.'
― da croupier, Monday, 9 May 2011 15:06 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 9 May 2011 15:28 (twelve years ago) link
I read Sully every day. I think his actual value (aggregate of links presented well and at a particular intelligence level) is underrated. I barely care about his opinions (he's pretty much wrong about everything tho admirable re legalization + sometimes torture) but he links to so many ppl that I wouldn't have the time to ferret out myself from such a broad range of opinions and thought that he's very useful to get links to much of the interesting stuff that shows up on the internet.
― Mordy, Monday, 9 May 2011 15:43 (twelve years ago) link
most recent example of Monday-Friday thing is Paul Ryan plan serious/adult on Monday dismissed by the end of the week. Also the birther-Palin thing is totally insane and no longer endearing.
yeah in that curatorial respect he's def served as a role model for me even if he's overkill sometimes
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 9 May 2011 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
i'd say the major dichotomy for sully is that he reads broadly but w/ no depth
― Mordy, Monday, 9 May 2011 15:45 (twelve years ago) link
He can be an incisive, shrewd reader of texts when he wants, though, but yielding to the impulse to blog every twelve minutes surely can't help his reading habits.
― ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 May 2011 15:48 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not convinced he's a great reader of texts. I can name a number of texts he totally misread (most recently his reading of Rush Limbaugh as praising Obama was pretty awful) but you could always say they are due to his lack of focus. I can't think of anything he has "shrewdly" read tho, at least off the top of my head.
― Mordy, Monday, 9 May 2011 16:09 (twelve years ago) link
Not to mention his poseur alert sometimes functions as a "I didn't understand this" alert
― Mordy, Monday, 9 May 2011 16:10 (twelve years ago) link
have you read Virtually Normal? His essay on friendship, using Moliere's as a base, is lovely.
― ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 May 2011 16:12 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, his interpretation of Limbaugh's monologue after Bin Laden's death was unbelievably off the mark. As soon as I started reading it--just words on a page, no audio--I thought, "Is he sure this is meant to be taken literally?" Limbaugh's sarcasm was as sledgehammer-obvious as ever.
― clemenza, Monday, 9 May 2011 16:19 (twelve years ago) link
yeah no doubt he's tone deaf, i attribute it to being british
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 9 May 2011 16:26 (twelve years ago) link
((its joeks, its joeks))
Virtually Normal blew 18 yr old me away.
His blog was kind of interesting when he was actually going through his falling out of love with Bush conservatism identity crisis I guess. That long term shift underscoring all the short term reversals is kinda rare for such a big name, or rarely admitted to at least.
― Tim F, Monday, 9 May 2011 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
a big portion of the stuff posted under his name nowadays is not actually by him
he's the jim davis of bloggers!!
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 9 May 2011 19:32 (twelve years ago) link
So what's his US Acres?
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 May 2011 19:32 (twelve years ago) link
ok, but no way this is true. when his interns take over all their bylines get slapped over his posts and he has disappeared during big events (one recently tho I don't remember the event) bc he's sick or whatever which would be impossible if someone else was writing his posts.
― Mordy, Monday, 9 May 2011 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.mediaite.com/online/sullivan-responds-to-ghostblogger-controversy-with-frontal-cortex-defense/
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 9 May 2011 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
under-bloggers
― buzza, Monday, 9 May 2011 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
well apparently i'm wrong. so the only thing that changes when he goes on vacation is that the underbloggers get to put their bylines up?
― Mordy, Monday, 9 May 2011 23:09 (twelve years ago) link
Yep, and sometimes it's not his minions but other bloggers (e.g. Ross Douthat).
― ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 May 2011 23:11 (twelve years ago) link
As the Palin corpse shows signs of life, Sullivan's been pretty funny the past week trying to mask his glee and temper his five posts a day with deep concern about what a bad thing her candidacy would be for the country. He ought to be honest: anyone one who wants Obama to win in 2012 is praying she jumps in, for the political chaos and for the freak-show entertainment value. Especially Sullivan, whose obsession with her is boundless.
And as much as I loathe her, he ought to award himself one of his own Moore awards for conflating this upcoming documentary of hers with Triumph of the Will.
― clemenza, Saturday, 28 May 2011 17:09 (twelve years ago) link
if he gets any more crazy for her theres gonna be a rabbit boiling in her kitchen
― so come right back, we have count dracula and we have adam rich (Hunt3r), Saturday, 28 May 2011 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
there's something a bit ironic about a guy whose political hero is reagan being so profoundly unsettled by the rise of a glib, ignorant demagogue, no?
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 28 May 2011 17:58 (twelve years ago) link
oh c'mon: Reagan gave the impression that he had at least thumbed through a book. And he could write plain English.
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 28 May 2011 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
I've stated my complete indifference towards Reagan before, but I agree that there was an intellect there (and politically, a formidable intellect)--and next to Palin, he practically came across like a Rhodes scholar.
― clemenza, Saturday, 28 May 2011 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't get a chance to look at Sullivan yesterday, but I caught up this morning and count nine Palin posts--one of which links to a guy who pleads with the media to ignore her. (I guess I now become part of that chain: me expressing my disdain by posting on a guy who expresses his disdain by linking to a guy who expresses his disdain by...paying attention to Palin.)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 1 June 2011 12:03 (twelve years ago) link
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/06/dreaming-of-the-queen.html
― ☂ (max), Saturday, 4 June 2011 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
Hertzberg on Sully
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
its funny--sullivan may not be the only guy writing, but the quality of the blog drops noticeably when hes gone
― ☂ (max), Thursday, 7 July 2011 00:44 (twelve years ago) link
He is the brand. (Also given he's visiting the UK for the first time in forever for vacation RIGHT when this whole hacking clusterfuck bubbles up worse, I suspect he's gearing up for the mother of a post on that. Which given his general support of Cameron as the kindler/gentler conservative alternative to the GOP will be funny.)
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 01:09 (twelve years ago) link
xp otm, i stop reading it when he's not posting. i used to still read conor friedersdorf during these interludes since he at least wrote interestingly, but i haven't noticed him during this vacation -- maybe he's done filling in?
― Mordy, Thursday, 7 July 2011 01:38 (twelve years ago) link
Conor F has a semi permanent spot at the Atlantic now, I think.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 01:39 (twelve years ago) link
ok he wasn't THAT interesting
― Mordy, Thursday, 7 July 2011 01:44 (twelve years ago) link
i like him, he's like a feisty kid brother who is sometimes surprisingly insightful
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 7 July 2011 01:45 (twelve years ago) link
this guy bruce bawer really hates muslims huh
― ☂ (max), Saturday, 9 July 2011 13:08 (twelve years ago) link
So he's updated a touch:
https://www.facebook.com/TheDishBlog
http://twitter.com/Dishfeed
http://twitter.com/sullydish
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
has he uploaded a new id?
― livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
That comes with next year's reboot.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
i'm getting really tired of this guy
― Mordy, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
Catching up on some posts today. This cracked me up, responding to Perry's adventures today: "These two disgusting statements, in today's polarized climate, are, to my mind, a reason for Perry to withdraw, or for his party to disown this ugly, divisive, violent rhetoric." Geez, Andrew, he just got into the race two days ago. It's August of 2011--you might want to pace yourself a bit.
I've had two reactions to Sullivan the last couple of months: 1) In his longer posts, when he assesses the substance of what's going on, I still find he's often very perceptive. I don't think many people would agree with me on that. 2) On the other hand, he seems to be in complete denial when it comes to how politically precarious Obama's position is.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 03:04 (twelve years ago) link
I would advise everyone (including myself) to pace themselves for the next fourteen months. Guys like Sullivan must by necessity devote a certain number of hours to Politico gossip and Beltway chatter. We can poke fun at Rick Perry while also reminding ourselves that nothing does more damage to serious change than the campaign cycle; now everyone in DC will concentrate on the election and not on the fucking mess we're in.
― a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 03:12 (twelve years ago) link
Let's also not forget that Sullivan is a conservative, at least a nominal one, and he believes Obama should have accepted the Bowles-Simpson recommendations as well as cuts to Social Security.
― a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 03:15 (twelve years ago) link
now everyone in DC will concentrate on the election and not on the fucking mess we're in.
I've seen two people make the same point today: Greenwald and (your favourite) Gergen.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 03:20 (twelve years ago) link
Big and Lil G.
― a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 03:28 (twelve years ago) link
soto double otm
― tine nic (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 04:01 (twelve years ago) link
"Ben Smith infers that she will - from the way she behaved at the Iowa State Fair. Everything I know about her suggests she will. But Washington - Republican and Democrat - is convinced she's over. We'll see. I hope the establishment is right. But none of the current candidates seems viable to me."
He's talking about Palin, of course. Why does he persist in such a platitudinous lie? He wants her to run as badly as I do. It would a) be the greatest thing in the world for spiking readership on the Dish, b) be vastly entertaining, and c) come with no risk whatsoever--she'd undoubtedly do major damage to whoever emerges from the wreckage as the Republican nominee, significantly increasing (maybe even guaranteeing) the reelection of the guy he's rooting for. I wish he'd just say so for once.
― clemenza, Thursday, 18 August 2011 03:32 (twelve years ago) link
was that post really needed
― (grim) pump track (wales) (map), Friday, 9 September 2022 01:44 (one year ago) link
sniff ... so graceful ... reticent ... rich *sobbing* so, so rich
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 9 September 2022 02:46 (one year ago) link
andrew sullivan at it again pic.twitter.com/D4pFYvOgV5— b-boy bouiebaisse (@jbouie) October 24, 2022
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 25 October 2022 21:49 (one year ago) link
From "We will literally beat you for learning how to read" to "OK fine we'll give you shitty schools with shitty textbooks and furniture and no you can't come to our nicer school" to "We will pull our kids out of school if you try to bus those kids over here" to "Black people have a cultural resistance to learning," all in just 160 years!
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 25 October 2022 21:51 (one year ago) link
i wish he was dead
― Left, Tuesday, 25 October 2022 21:54 (one year ago) link
this guy's respectability in liberal circles over the years is a fucking disgrace and everyone who enabled him should be cancelled
― Left, Tuesday, 25 October 2022 21:55 (one year ago) link
agree with all of that.
― ꙮ (map), Tuesday, 25 October 2022 22:00 (one year ago) link
nice to see jamelle bouie kicking his ass quarterly or so
― ꙮ (map), Tuesday, 25 October 2022 22:01 (one year ago) link
i know i've told this story upthread but in 2018 after the demise of my first serious relationship and in the confusing desperation of heartbreak i was swept away by a charming boy scoutish gay guy from utah who was living in dc co-running a fitness music company and djing. i dropped everything and moved out there to be with this guy and was kind of a kept boy for about a year, lots of red flags everywhere including the fact that he invited me to live with him in a serious relationship after having only met me (and being like 15 years older than me) but i went with it because i literally quit my job in utah, what else was i going to do. anyway we would go to this fancy gym on u street and one time he ran into andrew sullivan at the entrance to the men's locker room on our way out of there. i was honestly not familiar with a.s. at all but i remember thinking that he must be an asshole because what kind of person stops right in the middle of the entrance to the locker room to have a conversation? anyway i quickly figured out that this guy who i moved halfway across the country to be with was pretty white supremacist at heart and would show so much weird animosity toward black people in dc. i'm glad that relationship eventually blew up but he could have not just thrown me out on the street in the middle of december with nowhere to go. the end. anyway i can't think of enough bad things to say about andrew sullivan now that i know who he is and the extent of his grossness.
― ꙮ (map), Tuesday, 25 October 2022 22:11 (one year ago) link
wow
glad you got out of that situation but i'm sorry it happened and ended that way, fuck him and AS
― Left, Tuesday, 25 October 2022 22:24 (one year ago) link
i've been meaning to listen the sullivan episode of the bad gays podcast but i'm worried it will piss me off too much
― Left, Tuesday, 25 October 2022 22:25 (one year ago) link
lol ty, it's long past thank goodness.
there was a great takedown of as linked somewhere upthread but i can't recall who wrote it.
― ꙮ (map), Tuesday, 25 October 2022 22:57 (one year ago) link
OK this guy went to school with Keir Starmer. I don't know what that says about either of them though.
― Fronted by a bearded Phil Collins (Tom D.), Tuesday, 25 October 2022 23:04 (one year ago) link
for real? fuck me I hate this world
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Tuesday, 25 October 2022 23:14 (one year ago) link
Fuck them both obviously, but I don't think who you went to school with says anything much unless you were friends - I certainly went to school with some horrible people.
― Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 25 October 2022 23:19 (one year ago) link
sure but british private schools tend to produce a certain type
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Tuesday, 25 October 2022 23:23 (one year ago) link
I'm so fucking angry I can barely type.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 October 2022 23:27 (one year ago) link
not saying everyone always but in these cases i think it's safe to say xp
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Tuesday, 25 October 2022 23:28 (one year ago) link
Actually googling both their names throws up a Spectator article by Sullivan and it seems they were indeed friends and still keep in touch. Jesus Christ.
― Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 25 October 2022 23:39 (one year ago) link
i want to cry
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Tuesday, 25 October 2022 23:42 (one year ago) link
wau did you know this guy approved The Bell Curve articles
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 October 2022 23:45 (one year ago) link
And here he is 25-plus years later. Talk about resistance to learning! (OK I borrowed that joke from the Twitter feed.)
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 26 October 2022 00:02 (one year ago) link
learning about how hard liberal-ish prestige media promoted that book in the US in the 90s is so infuriating and a lot of it was his doing
― Left, Wednesday, 26 October 2022 00:19 (one year ago) link
it also feels like a part of the puzzle regarding how we got here and why these outlets we still have unwarrented faith in keep fucking up so badly
― Left, Wednesday, 26 October 2022 00:21 (one year ago) link
According the above-mentioned Spectator article, Sullivan still believes "the role of genetics in intelligence among different human populations is an open question". Starmer sure knows how to pick his friends...
― Zelda Zonk, Wednesday, 26 October 2022 00:27 (one year ago) link
NARRATOR: It is, in fact, fake.
I'm afraid this isn't fake. But it's the most honest explanation of "equity" I've yet heard. Redistribution pudding followed by a topping of racial revenge. https://t.co/ElhxYQ08py— Andrew Sullivan (@sullydish) February 15, 2023
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 16 February 2023 17:13 (one year ago) link
I hate this racist dickhole
― his cartoon heart expands, then he relaxes by smoking crack (stevie), Thursday, 16 February 2023 18:28 (one year ago) link
The old rainbow flag was a simple, apolitical unifying metaphor for gays and lesbians. This is an ideological flag for “queers” (including straights) opposed to “white supremacy” and the sex binary. https://t.co/BcSj5nCfDu— Andrew Sullivan (@sullydish) March 26, 2023
― the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 26 March 2023 16:21 (one year ago) link
what a fuckin weirdo
― slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Sunday, 26 March 2023 16:27 (one year ago) link
I'm waiting for him and Dreher to fall in love.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 26 March 2023 17:21 (one year ago) link