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I left the Church years ago (tried to go back a few years ago in the midst of a personal crisis and almost made it but I believe in a woman's right to choose, that is final, the Church and I will never see eye to eye on this) but used to teach the Catechism. I know there are plenty of Religious Education/CCD survivors here, too, happy to answer questions, because once you're Catholic, you love Catholicism forever in some way or another: it doesn't wash off. What do you want to know about our super-occult image-rich original-colonialist tradition? Ask away!

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:27 (eight years ago) link

Oh oh I have a question!

Can you explain the Immaculate Conception a bit more? Like, how is that possible? How is it connected to St Anne being a saint?

Gravel Puzzleworth, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:29 (eight years ago) link

The Catholicism Thread

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:32 (eight years ago) link

schism!

joe, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:32 (eight years ago) link

was to be expected, really

ancient, but very sexy (DJP), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:33 (eight years ago) link

lapsed catholic here, have no interest in going back.

The Scenario (chrisv2010), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:38 (eight years ago) link

girlfriend's at this point pretty much firmly outside the church (this was a gradual process) because of lots of things but mostly that same issue. but yeah it's never really gonna leave her. she tried briefly to be a unitarian (like p.j. funnybunny, the bunny who did not want to be a bunny) but that didn't work.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:38 (eight years ago) link

itt Alfred, Lord Sotosyn is Henry VIII...

have no interest in any organized religion. fucking daycare provider took my son to ash wednesday and had ashes put on him....NOT HAPPY.

The Scenario (chrisv2010), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:39 (eight years ago) link

Catholicism is for lyfe in a way that other denominations aren't. I am not a "lapsed Evangelical", for instance.

go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:40 (eight years ago) link

aerosmith,

Something I've always wondered about: Why do Catholics revere the symbol of the crucifix when a) it was just the most common Roman instrument used for putting people to death, and b) it was the method used to kill Jesus.

Mordy, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:41 (eight years ago) link

Dear AAC:

I was raised Anglican, mostly High Church style, was even an acolyte, let active belief fall away from me gradually and have been a fairly content agnostic since I was twenty or so. I've always wondered if my joke that being raised Anglican means you get all of the ceremonies of Catholicism but none of the Catholic guilt is true and from the sound of it it is (thus your opening words), I certainly don't remember any particular focus on the idea of guilt as intrinsic in my religious upbringing as such, and might explain why I found it so easy to let go. Is it something that is ingrained from the start in any/all Catholic religious instruction?

Yours,
The Guy Whose Dad is the Only Active Anglican In My Family Anymore

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:41 (eight years ago) link

fuck that chris! "how about a separation, not so much between church and state but between my child's forehead and your ashy finger"

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:42 (eight years ago) link

itt Alfred, Lord Sotosyn is Henry VIII...

I'd love to have been pope during this period.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:42 (eight years ago) link

apparently when my mom was little her dad would very occasionally bust out some wine for dinner and his line was always "tonight i thought we could be episcopalian"

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:43 (eight years ago) link

I find the dis "cafeteria Catholic" hilarious, ie one can't pick & choose which dogma to embrace. Pretty much every Catholic does this, being human.

Fuck bein' hard, Dr Morbz is complicated (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:43 (eight years ago) link

xpost -- Hero.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:43 (eight years ago) link

Something I've always wondered about: Why do Catholics revere the symbol of the crucifix when a) it was just the most common Roman instrument used for putting people to death, and b) it was the method used to kill Jesus.

You just answered your own questions! Seriously – we revel in masochism. The veneration (not worship) of the crucifix is a reminder of what Our Lord endured for our sakes.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:43 (eight years ago) link

repurposing of the crucifix is actually like in my top five favorite things about christianity

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:43 (eight years ago) link

xpost -- Then Alfred why don't you do what they do in Orthodox ceremonies and stand up straight through three hour services?

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:44 (eight years ago) link

yeah she was all "i washed them off". lady it ain't your right to do that.

The Scenario (chrisv2010), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:44 (eight years ago) link

I certainly don't remember any particular focus on the idea of guilt as intrinsic in my religious upbringing as such,

Maybe I was privileged in this regard, but as a Catholic school attendee for 12 years I never got the guilt. Maybe it was a post Vatican II phenomenon? My mom, however, got nothing but guilt.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:44 (eight years ago) link

Why do/did Christians hate Jews for killing Christ when He* had to die for our sins so that we can go to Heaven?

(*still a believer, so all pronouns capitalized...)

hapshash jar tempo (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:45 (eight years ago) link

Then Alfred why don't you do what they do in Orthodox ceremonies and stand up straight through three hour services?

Because Fr. Frank forces us to say ten Our Fathers and ten Hail Marys for masturbating in the bathroom.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:45 (eight years ago) link

I know that's not meant as a non-sequitur, and yet.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:46 (eight years ago) link

the whole ecce homo bit and he died for your sins is the main thing i took from going to church between the age of 3 or 4 and 15 or 16. crucifix probably the least inexplicable thing about the whole shennanigans.

catholics no longer believe that jews killed christ. apart from weird ones like mel gibo who go against the contemporary teaching of the church.

tending tropics (jim in glasgow), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:46 (eight years ago) link

Lenny Bruce said Catholics would wear electric chairs around their necks if Jesus had been a 20th-century martyr.

Fuck bein' hard, Dr Morbz is complicated (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:47 (eight years ago) link

xxxxp (*as if the switch from third- to first-person ("us") didn't already tip you off...)

hapshash jar tempo (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:47 (eight years ago) link

Doesn't Mel Gibson follow an anti-pope?

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:48 (eight years ago) link

i'm lapsed, but still feel like a catholic. I never got the political drubbing about abortion etc at my catholic school (which wasn't associated with a diocese and had very few people from the church involved in it). as a result I don't have that kind of grudge against the church. but knowing that is there makes me resist going back to it (even though I live in a really liberal area where I'm sure 75% of the catholics at the churches near me probably are not in line with traditional church thinking on this topic).

akm, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:51 (eight years ago) link

if i was going to let something temporal about the church bother me it would more be the endemic child fucking and covering-up there of than the backwards views on abortion that would piss me off.

tending tropics (jim in glasgow), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:54 (eight years ago) link

but it's just the whole kit and kaboodle that i'm put off by so i needn't worry.

tending tropics (jim in glasgow), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:55 (eight years ago) link

Christianity in general makes me so angry, Catholicism only even more so, I try not to be baited too often. But I also have a weird history of being a very serious-minded kid in a super Evangelical community with no outside influences to level me out, so it's not really the usual thing.

go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:57 (eight years ago) link

as a catholic school person for 12 i never got the guilt. again, prolly cuz i was thrown out of CCD in 8th grade for farting.

The Scenario (chrisv2010), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:57 (eight years ago) link

well here's what has always confused me about the crucifixion narrative. on one hand (and this obv varies by what gospel you're reading too) it's a negative account where Jesus either has to forgive the ppl killing him (they know not what they have done) or is in crisis (why have you forsaken me), etc. but in other accounts or maybe other hermeneutical traditions it is a very positive event and he died for humanity's sins, or his death was a gift to us (in its atonement), etc. so re the second interpretation it makes sense that you'd wear a crucifix (maybe. it was still a very common event to be crucified so it doesn't seem like a great grower as a symbol of a new religion -- tho i imagine without any historical background in this area that probably the icon emerged long enough after the Roman empire that this didn't appear to be so bizarre). has the first account (despite being canonized primarily in Mark) mostly been ignored in the main Catholic narrative or what?

Mordy, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:58 (eight years ago) link

Also I tried to find things to carry with me, maybe just from the "spiritual practice" side of what I was taught, but I feel more and more certain as time passes that there's absolutely nothing salvageable there.

go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:59 (eight years ago) link

"forgiveness" a pretty good one i thought but w/ever

(i have the kinda-luxury of having been brought up Nothing so everything looks way better to me than it does to people who were brought up Something)

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 18:00 (eight years ago) link

Mordy, one of the motives behind adopting the crucifix WAS its commonness and lowliness. It was the death of thieves and murders and rapists, the lowest thing that Our Lord could be subjected to. This is common across all Christianity, I think -- not specific to Catholics, although the rest of us don't portray the human form on the cross in our iconography.

go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 18:01 (eight years ago) link

xxxp I think it's the being rose again after three days that turns the crucifixion into a victory:

hapshash jar tempo (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 18:01 (eight years ago) link

on one hand (and this obv varies by what gospel you're reading too) it's a negative account where Jesus either has to forgive the ppl killing him (they know not what they have done) or is in crisis (why have you forsaken me), etc. but in other accounts or maybe other hermeneutical traditions it is a very positive event and he died for humanity's sins, or his death was a gift to us (in its atonement), etc

these all go together and are not contradictory:

he forgives the people killing him -his followers, the crowd who choose barabas etc.- because he is the ever forgiving christ-god who dies for us in order to wash away our original sin even though we've gone against him and aren't worthy of such a sacrific.

he is in crisis because, although divine, he is human and wrestles with his predicament and torture until reaching acceptance and understanding of it.

tending tropics (jim in glasgow), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 18:02 (eight years ago) link

xxp yeah iirc (and maybe i do not rc) the crucifix was in use as a symbol from the religion's earliest beginnings as a roman cult. it is a really neat defiant thing, i think! and what laurel says about connecting the holiness of the godhead to the lowliness of the lowest is also def true.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 18:03 (eight years ago) link

yeah and also don't underestimate the attraction of sheer maudlin morbidity

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 18:07 (eight years ago) link

oh man I got onto other stuff and now there's a lot of questions

Something I've always wondered about: Why do Catholics revere the symbol of the crucifix when a) it was just the most common Roman instrument used for putting people to death, and b) it was the method used to kill Jesus.

well, it's not just Catholics - that's all Christians. Crosses everywhere. It's a paradox, kind of your classic Jesus paradox: Jesus came to save you. You love him for that, right? Assuming you accept that you were damned & were likely going to Hell, this Dude came to take your place, because He loved you exactly as you were, warts and all. You on your worst day, He still loves that person enough to die in his place. Presumably you love Him back for that, but He has to die to accomplish the work of grace. So the cross on which He dies in transformed into an instrument of triumph; the instrument of His demise becomes the sign by which those redeemed by Him recognize one another and gain comfort and fellowship.

this is not a specifically Catholic teaching but it's the cross as I understand it.

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 18:08 (eight years ago) link

NB I do not still actually believe much of this but I'm willing to offer defences as long as people don't talk like "oh ua believes all this stuff," I don't, I'm just intimate with it

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 18:09 (eight years ago) link

The English theologian John Bale attributed to Pope Sixtus "the authorisation to practice sodomy during periods of warm weather."

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 18:10 (eight years ago) link

i'm hazy on this but i think the cross took a while to really take off as The Symbol of the church. the fish was the 'sign' among believers for a good long time

goole, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 18:11 (eight years ago) link

xp Didn't you know? Anal keeps you cool.

I actually see more people with fish pendants and fish symbols on cars than crosses and crucifixes.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 18:12 (eight years ago) link

evangelicals love all the 'early church' stuff

goole, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 18:12 (eight years ago) link

Catholic guilt is tradition. It does make intuitive sense to my indwelling Catholic: the Holy Family suffered as they did for me, but how grateful am I really, in my daily life? Not very. I'm more interested in myself. That's my nature, and I don't do much to overcome it or transcend it. But the saints show me that I could, if I really cared. Hence, guilt!

I just realized that I'm a Catholic about practising music

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 23 May 2013 01:39 (six years ago) link

huge props to francis for that

as I understand it it's not a big departure historically but in the present age of fundamentalist revival, yes

Oh, that's interesting. I've pretty much always understood that it was belief in Christianity, not goodness of deeds or character, that was the determinant. So this seemed pretty radical to me.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 23 May 2013 01:52 (six years ago) link

Ah.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 23 May 2013 01:58 (six years ago) link

you know, those ppl who think they're Christians.

ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 May 2013 03:00 (six years ago) link

Adopting for a moment the xtian worldview, it seems apparent to me from the bible that the xtian god is allowed to do whatever he wants to do, whenever he wants, and this includes redeeming whoever he wants to redeem, without having to follow the rules he has previously announced, because he makes the rules as he goes along and is not required to post prior notice before making a rule change; that would be purely optional for him, as he is bound neither by precedent, nor by any purely human standard of fairness or justice. This seems pretty self-evident to me.

Aimless, Thursday, 23 May 2013 03:16 (six years ago) link

In our daily lives, god usually acts through she-bears

a very generous Cordoban (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 23 May 2013 05:36 (six years ago) link

23 Then [Elisha] went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” 24 When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number. 25 And he went from there to Mount Carmel, and from there he returned to Samaria.

0808ɹƃ (silby), Thursday, 23 May 2013 05:39 (six years ago) link

I only know that story because of Weeds.

akm, Thursday, 23 May 2013 21:13 (six years ago) link

I kinda think the Curia is getting ready to kill the pope (again).

The Vatican issued an “explanatory note on the meaning of “salvation,” on Thursday, May 23, after media reports circulated indicating that Pope Francis” promised heaven for everyone engaged in good works, including atheists.

In response to the media attention, the Rev. Thomas Rosica, a Vatican spokesman, said that people who know about the Catholic church “cannot be saved” if they “refuse to enter her or remain in her.”

(Translation: Atheists are going to Hell if they don’t accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour.)

http://www.examiner.com/article/vatican-corrects-pope-atheists-are-still-going-to-hell

ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 2 June 2013 05:12 (six years ago) link

Does the Church still believe in the existence of Hell, or does it define Hell ambiguously, as "total separation from God." If the former that seems pretty gauche.

the strange and important sound of the synthesizer (Treeship), Sunday, 2 June 2013 05:47 (six years ago) link

Sorry i see now that my question has been dealt with earlier. Anyway, i'm not a fan of this Vatican retraction.

the strange and important sound of the synthesizer (Treeship), Sunday, 2 June 2013 05:49 (six years ago) link

heh heh heh enter her or remain in her heh heh etc

j., Sunday, 2 June 2013 06:00 (six years ago) link

when to withdraw is a p big deal for us

bob_sleigher (darraghmac), Sunday, 2 June 2013 09:46 (six years ago) link

four months pass...

Saints Sergius and Bacchus were Roman soldiers, Christian martyrs and gay men who loved each other. They were killed around 303 in present-day Syria. Their feast day is observed on Oct. 7. The couple was openly gay, but secretly Christian — the opposite of today’s closeted Christians.

The close bond between the two men has been emphasized since the earliest accounts, and recent scholarship has revealed their homosexuality. The oldest record of their martyrdom describes them as erastai (Greek for “lovers”). Scholars believe that they may have been united in the rite of adelphopoiesis (brother-making), a kind of early Christian same-sex marriage.

http://blog.gaycatholicpriests.org/2011/10/gay-saints-and-lovers-sergius-and-bacchus/

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 14:54 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

Still no HBO miniseries on pornocracy :(

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:59 (five years ago) link

My priest relative-by-marriage concelebrated a Vatican Mass with Francis a few weeks ago. I guess he might be a bishop someday if he wants that.

things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 18:02 (five years ago) link

nine months pass...

Junipero Serra as a saint, si o no?

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 19:37 (four years ago) link

I leave such matters to my lawyers.

Aimless, Thursday, 24 September 2015 04:02 (four years ago) link

it was bound to happen despite most evidence being that he's a shit. disappointed that Francis did that but if I agreed with absolutely everything Francis said and did it would be wrong.

akm, Thursday, 24 September 2015 13:47 (four years ago) link

https://twitter.com/mcmoynihan/status/646686363732066304

nakhchivan, Thursday, 24 September 2015 14:22 (four years ago) link

The Rev. John McNeill, an openly gay Roman Catholic priest who, from the 1970s onward, publicly pressed the church to welcome gay men and lesbians — and who was expelled from his order as a result — died on Tuesday in Fort Lauderdale, Fla. He was 90.

His death was announced by DignityUSA, an organization that supports gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender Catholics. Father McNeill had helped found its New York chapter in 1972.

A Jesuit who was ordained in 1959, Father McNeill was known in the decades that followed as an author, activist and psychotherapist specializing in the needs of gay clients. He first came to wide, explosive attention in 1976 with the publication of his book “The Church and the Homosexual.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/26/nyregion/john-mcneill-priest-who-pushed-catholic-church-to-welcome-gays-dies-at-90.html

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 September 2015 13:30 (four years ago) link

RIP

akm, Saturday, 26 September 2015 16:36 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/08/us/pope-francis-archbishop-joseph-tobin-newark-archdiocese.html

this seems like a positive development

k3vin k., Monday, 7 November 2016 20:01 (three years ago) link

seven months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd54HzNI_Rk

i n f i n i t y (∞), Monday, 26 June 2017 21:21 (two years ago) link

As always, the main cultural signifier here isn't religion so much as nationality, class and coming from a family that shoves you in front of a set that resembles a tidied up Rosemary's baby in order to answer questions about your sexual lack of history

quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Monday, 26 June 2017 21:37 (two years ago) link

haven't seen rosemary's baby

but yes, catholicism is definitely tied to local culture (i'm not sure i'd say nationality)

i n f i n i t y (∞), Monday, 26 June 2017 21:46 (two years ago) link

Family first, then social circle then community then school then nationality

Church can fit in p much anywhere there depending on the severity of the infectiom

quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Monday, 26 June 2017 21:50 (two years ago) link

true

i n f i n i t y (∞), Monday, 26 June 2017 21:55 (two years ago) link

was talking catholicism with an acquaintance the other night. we were remarking how we were still pretty earnest and believing, if with plenty of doubts, when we made our confirmations and had chosen confirmation names accordingly. i chose san martin de porres (mixed-race peruvian saint a sort of patron saint on anti-racism and the poor), and he chose st anthony - because his mother was always telling him to pray to st anthony as he was always losing things. he had a friend who chose zeno, because it was the funniest name of a saint other than homobonus that he could find and he knew he'd get in trouble if he said he was choosing homobonus

-_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 26 June 2017 22:08 (two years ago) link

haha

man having two confirmation saints is hard work lemme tell u

i n f i n i t y (∞), Monday, 26 June 2017 22:48 (two years ago) link

to answer questions about your sexual lack of history

I thought we were talking about Catholic girls?

pplains, Tuesday, 27 June 2017 00:57 (two years ago) link

Saint Dorkus is another classic

droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, 27 June 2017 07:07 (two years ago) link

what was it like backing frank black?

Rodney Stooksbury for President (rushomancy), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 00:42 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

please help me understand the de Auxiliis controversy. the question is that god grants grace to man without man having to do anything but this doesn't sit right with jesuits bc man should participate in his own redemption or am i completely misunderstanding the point of contention?

Mordy, Monday, 2 December 2019 22:55 (one week ago) link

From a quick read in Wikipedia, it appears to be more of a question of how the doctrine of free will affects a person's ability to accept or reject grace and hinges upon the intricacies of how god's omnipotence and omniscience would work in a system where god is trying to bestow grace, knowing ahead of time it will be rejected. It is the usual tying oneself in knots to overcome inherent flaws in the logic of church dogma and doctrine.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 2 December 2019 23:57 (one week ago) link

and determinism

deems of internment (darraghmac), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 00:00 (one week ago) link

kind of thing which i find too boring to get into too much - no disrespect to theology in general but this particular dispute has me yawning. seems like both sides kind of viewed causation as a zero sum game. the more god does the less the individual does and vice cersa. bañez and the dominicans believed in physical premotion, the influence of god on the will of the person who acts on that will, jesuits found this overly deterministic, though they did believe in god knowing everything that could happen including counterfactuals, and creating the world as it is while knowing all the options so that always seemed kind of deterministic to me also

#FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 00:02 (one week ago) link

determinism vs free will obviously a very old question and lots of great apologetics out there reconciling omniscience and free will etc but this seems to be specifically be about the efficaciousness of grace specifically, and aiui specifically as relates to its conveyance automatically iow without the actual participation of the sinner but maybe w/ some level of his participation acc to jesuits? this is precisely the point i am trying to understand.

Mordy, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 00:05 (one week ago) link

a quick google tells me this is "one of theologies most exciting debates"

#FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 00:47 (one week ago) link

theology's. fuck.

i feel like this is something that you can't just make a pithy summation of that will explain too much. although if it were i would not be in such a position to do so

#FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 00:48 (one week ago) link

especially because earlier debates in the church precede and inform it (the dominicans are augustinian thomists)

#FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 00:49 (one week ago) link

i thought augustinianism and thomism were different?

treeship., Tuesday, 3 December 2019 02:33 (one week ago) link

where are some underrated aerosmith bootlegs to enlighten me

Mordy, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 02:48 (one week ago) link

Xp.Yeah they are. Thomas Aquinas both draws from and disagrees with Augustine, I guess I should've said that Dominican theological position on grace and predestination draws from aquinas and thomas

#FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 02:50 (one week ago) link

i mean, no catholic believes in predestination

treeship., Tuesday, 3 December 2019 02:56 (one week ago) link

right?

treeship., Tuesday, 3 December 2019 02:58 (one week ago) link

Well the Jansenists did and they claimed to just be disciples of Augustine

#FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 03:02 (one week ago) link

no catholic believes in predestination...right?

After you've been catechized, the church cares little about the private little heresies of its communicants, so long as they don't make a big issue out of them. If you are a priest or some other official of the church it's trickier, and you'd better be able to couch your determinism in the kind of theologically acceptable obscurantist terminology that won't get you in trouble with the church hierarchy.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 04:20 (one week ago) link


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