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i just read anne billson's little bfi book abt this utterly terrific movie

mark s, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

john carpenter's i mean, not howard hawkses: new "you've got to be fucking kidding!!" answers

mark s, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

haha the biologist who goes crazy and builds a spaceship in a cave in the ice = called BLAIR do you SEE?

mark s, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"it's clobberin' time!"

jel --, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I wasn't entirely convinced by it.

i) how many Antartic research bases have flamethrowers and automatic weapons lying around?

ii) how come their base seems to have normal 24 hour days, despite being below the Antartic circle?

DV, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Sometime in 82 I went to the NFT to attend a John Carpenter/Guardian lecture. For some reason Carpenter had to drop out at the very last second, so instead he sent over a print of his just-completed new movie, 'the Thing'. It was an amazing experience to watch this film without any kind of prior knowledge - the incredible escalation of paranoia and isolation, plus Rob Bottin's mindblowing gore effects, which to my mind have never really been surpassed (so sad that CGI has now totally replaced the kind of mechanical effects that can be staged in front of a camera, in real time...)

The blood test scene is one of the greatest movie moments ever; terrific Morricone score (mostly electronic, IIRC, something of a rarity and an obv. trib to Carpenter); even Kurt Russell doing his Clint schtick was OK (I love the moment when he pours whiskey into his computer!) Plus a really sharp script by Burt Lancaster's son!

I used to really like Anne Bilson's film reviews in Time Out, although sadly her vampire nov was a bit rub. Still I think I'd like to read this too. What a great, great flick.

Andrew L, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

DV, Mac at the start of the film says "First week of winter" = presumably the seasons are just changing, hence the day is poised between 24 hours of light (midsummer) and 24 hours of dark (midwinter) => plausible

they need pistols and flamethrowers in case the norwegians invade (when amundsen landed in "scott"s sphere of operations" in 1911, there was serious if brief discussion of the possibility of invading the norwegian camp and disabling the amundsen exhibition = they had guns available, for stray polar bears?) (haha very stray: polar bears = arctic not anarctic) (and yeah, no flamethrowers) (but anyway don't the Carpenter lot soup up the flamethrower from some more ordinary oxy-acetylene torch gizmo?)

mark s, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

haha sorry DV i just realised how yr joke works

mark s, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

DVD commentary on the Thing is hilarious. Just get Russell and Carpenter together with some bouze and they will talk for hours.

The Thing is a masterful horror movie, which improves upon Hawks original by having a better monster (after all that giant carrot...) This body horror has never been bettered - the actual melting of people.....

Want to read this book. I want to read Quirke's Jaws book. I want to see more of these films with themed canapes and bouze afterwards.

Pete, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

haha sorry DV i just realised how yr joke works

ho ho, I didn't realise I was making a joke... I just can't stop being funny.

I agree with the points about mechanical rather than cgi effects. and there is a lot to like about the film.

it was slightly ruined for me by seeing it in a room with a load of sweaty horror fans, preceded by a documentary on Carpenter that had all the best bits in it. Which was annoying... I'd already heard about the "you gotta be fucking kidding" bit but had been at great pains not to spoil it for special friend Irene, and then the cockfarming documentary did it for me.

The Thing is still not as good as Assault On Precinct 13.

DV, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

DV's joke (version): "I found Night of the Living Dead unconvincing: no one wore shoes like that in 1968 in that part of America"

mark s, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

if you include when norris's thingified torso bites cooper's arms off *and* the blood tests, how many autopsies are there?

mark s, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Its this Thing.

Pete, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

the more i think abt it the bettah it is: among other things (hah!) it is an allegory of thread-life viz "us" vs the TROLL!! (who can mimic us by posting as us yet who if hangs round long enough just becomes one of us)

(the secret nagging question is: SO WHAT IF THE THING IMITATES US EXACTLY? If we are all turned into exact copies of ourselves, what has changed? "Go with the flow maan, resistance is futile... gooey tentacloid palps? bring em on!!")

mark s, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

i have to get this on DVD like NOW!! and watch it TONIGHT!!

mark s, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Hawkses original is great too though and a brilliant comparison text (as is the original short story Who Goes There). It treats the scientist trying to communicate with the big carrot as a madman - it is fantastically hawkish to use the current definition of that word.

Arctic circle is a grebt place to set a vampire film btw.

Pete, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

haha he IS a madman he has a polo-neck sweater

i read the story when i was like 12 and it *really really* spooked me (the monster is described, apparently dead, in the first para, oh no!! it has THREE EYES!! OH NO!!): in the bit where they do the blood test, mcready is testing 35 ppl!! carpenter cuts it down to a slightly less pedantic four, i think

mark s, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

See also: Doctor Who and the Seeds of Doom

Alan Trewartha, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

mark s that film is an absolute FUCKING BELTER - the only bit I find a bit naff is the fx where the Dr's arms are supposed to have been bitten off, it looks really cheap and destroys the mood totally for a second - though what follows right away certainly re-establishes it.
I've been meaning to watch it again to check whether the end really does have that clue in it about the black guy having been taken over by thingness -I've got the DVD but no sodding DVD player yet arrrrgh. Also, do you think there's a clue as to where Blair gets infected ? I thought I spotted it the 1st time I watched the film. And are there any feministy crits of the film - is it regarded as quite odd in that there are no women in it atall? (though it's all the more 'realistic' for that)

Ray M, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

anne billson talks abt all those things in her little book!! the stuntman whose arms are "bitten off" has no arms in real life!! (or anyway stumps)

the gender thing she says was probably the last possible moment they could cast the way they did: actually not strictly speaking "realistic" (antarctic stations had been mixed sex since the 50s), it was for emotional-narrative focus as much as anything

the question of blair's infection is interesting, because so deliberately left ambiguous i. on hand he jumps to the "it's a shapeshifting alien much too quickly", ii. on the other, he destroys the helicopters/radio etc, iii. on the third hand he misdirects mac towards clark (who ends up being shot and then turning out NOT to have been thinged) => billson points out that the unspoken question is, if you become a thing and it becomes you, how much of YOUR behaviour wd be a mask and how much wd be real...

i suspect childs's thing-dom is kept exactly as ambiguous (and remember someone finds a bit of mac's torn clothing: so he's not out of the picture, just cz he's the hero => yes he's behaving mac-like, but then the thing-that-became-mac WOULD, to fool the others or fool us!!)

mark s, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

on the THIRD HAND do you SEE?!

mark s, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

creepy (if poorly rendered) picture by gustav doré which possibly inspired the most famous scene in the movie:

mark s, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Definately Carpenter's best movie. And the gore effects were definitive; I still can't get some of those images out of my head.

Sean, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"i'd rather not spend the rest of the winter TIED TO THIS FUCKING COUCH!"

g-kit, Monday, 19 August 2002 08:45 (nineteen years ago) link

i have never seen this but i think i must. dvd 13 quid through amazon = i am v v tempted.

toby (tsg20), Monday, 19 August 2002 09:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I believe the dog is a bitch though.

Any other films with absolutely no women in at all. Actually - nu thread...

Pete, Monday, 19 August 2002 09:20 (nineteen years ago) link

mark s I have just ordered that book from Amazon - but have just realised that since you recommended it I probably won't understand it.

Ray M (rdmanston), Thursday, 22 August 2002 17:22 (nineteen years ago) link

it is very readable ray

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 22 August 2002 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I recently read the book in this series on Kon Ichikawa's An Actor's Revenge, and it was very good. Too short by a long way, and it rather skimmed some aspects of the film, but not at all difficult.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 23 August 2002 10:53 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
the faculty!! when i saw this first (i cannot believe that) i did not twig it was an industrial-strength thing-hommage: it even has a "you gotta be fkn kidding" joke (sadly not a very good one) (the "fit in at school: become a hive-mind alien" joke is better sustained, including a even bleaker and more sardonic ending than "the thing" itself = the alien is defeated and all the interesting ppl who battled it have become squeaky-clean conformist pod ppl...)

(also it stars frodo)

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 8 September 2002 21:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Yummy cute goth girl put that eyeliner back on!

Graham (graham), Sunday, 8 September 2002 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought this was going to be a thread about DA THANG

vic (vicc13), Sunday, 8 September 2002 21:23 (nineteen years ago) link

and then they DON'T lez up = it is intended to be read a tragedy!!

(the caffeine (= coke obv) scene = brilliant loving parody of the scalpel/test-tubes scene)

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 8 September 2002 21:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh you are talking baout that movie with Jordana Brewster?! I like it, even though it has Josh Hartnett on it

vic (vicc13), Sunday, 8 September 2002 21:32 (nineteen years ago) link

the gothgirl is cute but the end-result monster is lame

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 8 September 2002 21:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Who is the goth gurl. I know its not Jordana OH i remembered is the gurl that ALWAYS plays goths. Jordana kiks her ass

vic (vicc13), Sunday, 8 September 2002 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link

clea duvall:

jordana = cookiecutter brunette "looker" zzzzz

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 8 September 2002 21:46 (nineteen years ago) link


Hott brasilian-american with wonderful hair

and goth poseur(real goths have black hair)

Chupa-Cabras (vicc13), Sunday, 8 September 2002 22:02 (nineteen years ago) link

clea was good in but im a cheerleader

boxcubed (boxcubed), Sunday, 8 September 2002 22:03 (nineteen years ago) link


(Actually I only like her cos she reminds me of dreamy skate-punk princess Lois, who has way better hair)

Graham (graham), Sunday, 8 September 2002 22:49 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...
Getting back to The Thing, there's an Antarctic blog called Big Dead Place that has a fun Antarctic-biased review of it

Chris Barrus (xibalba), Monday, 24 February 2003 23:53 (nineteen years ago) link

ten months pass...
is this another of those "i watched the movie having read a long-ago thread on it then went back and looked at the thread and all these k-brill concepts i imagined were in the thread as i watched the move really were my own... OR WERE THEY?" moments? (I had a massive one with the Pullman series)

coz ok i just watched the movie and then "remembered" this whole mark s bit where he's totally sympathizing with the "thing" and spins this great hypothesis about how mcready is clearly "thing" but has decided by the strength of his will to be human that it doesn't matter. and also about how the "thing" is always in us, and in fact is our mutual fear and at the end, reduced to panic, everyone is reduced to "fire cleans all" which is as unscientific as you can get (and clearly the surface-opposition is science v. grotesque).

also about how blair ceases to panic and becomes "okay" when he reaches the same conclusion w/r/t the "thing" -- i.e. that it doesn't matter.

all of which i guess is part of the "so what if the thing imitates us exactly" except it's also all the BAD things the thing does are entirely human. except the thing gets to make k-cool spaceships too!

i may also have read all this elsewhere.

okay I need to read the book and see "the faculty" now.

also the initial scene with the thing and the dogs is totally horrifying as is the arms-getting-chomped scene, and the way the narrative closure with the two burned stations kicks this whole "statement of human nature" thing into high-gear.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 06:21 (eighteen years ago) link

all my best work = completely in other people's hedz

(if true, this is the coolest thing evah btw) (best aspect: it can be totally real and totally unproveable simultaneously)

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 14:51 (eighteen years ago) link

You can make this help you vis a vis If...the book: find a head, open it up and scoop out contents, put CPU of your computah in the hole and you will bne

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm sad because Jel stole by joke.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 17:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Its this thing.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link

(I hab a code.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 17:46 (eighteen years ago) link

okay check this too -- thing only strikes between individuals, not in a group, so v. v. obv that which lurks behind the veneer of social convention and perfect candidate for Lacanian reading w/r/t "there is no big Other" i.e. that the rules of interaction of the crew are a necessary fiction, reinforced when everyone thinks mcready is the thing but follow him anyway. hence the basis of their downfall is their exile of blair -- safer to stay close to the thing than let it lurk.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 17:53 (eighteen years ago) link

"also about how blair ceases to panic and becomes "okay" when he reaches the same conclusion w/r/t the "thing" -- i.e. that it doesn't matter"

I thought that Blair WAS a "thing" by that point, that it had assimilated him just before he could hang himself (a noose in the background, isn't there?). But according to this, realising a lack of difference between the thing and the not-thing = becoming the thing-in-itself?

Neil Willett (Neil Willett), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 20:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw "The Thing" again recently. Popular art-rockers ESTEL were using it as visuals to a concert of theirs. I was sitting beside a guy who had never seen it before, and his "HOLY FUCK" reaction to the "You've got to be fucking kidding" bit was a joy to behold.

so maybe I do like this film after all.

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 23:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, given his p undeniable star quality, he could've been way huger than he is.

You will notice a small sink where your sofa once was. (Old Lunch), Thursday, 3 December 2020 15:11 (one year ago) link

i have no idea what baseball actually is

*fires up slide deck*

and will never change this

Ah! well nevertheless,

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 3 December 2020 15:37 (one year ago) link

Was Overboard a hit?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 3 December 2020 15:50 (one year ago) link

Whether KR was a cult star, action star, or mid-level star in 1982, still seems obvious that none of the cast was the specific kind of famous enough that youd assume they wouldnt get eaten by the thing. Tbh when The Thing came out Wilford Brimley might have been just as well known to audiences if not more, he had some memorable supporting roles in hit Hollywood stuff in the years just prior

turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Thursday, 3 December 2020 16:02 (one year ago) link

Wilford Brimley was 48 when The Thing was released.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 3 December 2020 16:57 (one year ago) link

These guys were so relatively under the radar that the podcast noted Carpenter briefly considered Donald Pleasance for Brimley's role, but decided even he was too well known and people would expect him to make it to the end of the movie in one way, shape or form.

Man, one of the most remarkable things about The Thing is the way people are constantly disappearing for long stretches or getting (apparently) killed off screen. Just such a fascinating rhythm, especially for a movie whose contemporaries were tons of "And Then There Were None" slasher riffs that relished on-screen kills.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 3 December 2020 17:02 (one year ago) link

I have to admit I'm *meep* not a podcast guy, I'm probably more receptive to the vlog format (like those nerdy guys who pick apart how bad the Star Wars/every JJ Abrams movies are), tell me there exists something like that on the 'tube?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 3 December 2020 17:07 (one year ago) link

(aside to Mark S: Kurt Russell's youngest child played the lead in the Lodge 49 TV show which I'd love to hear your thoughts on if you can find it where you are!)

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 3 December 2020 17:08 (one year ago) link

theres an official making-of vid on youtube thats like 90 minutes long thats pretty interesting. lots of war stories from the effects guys about dealing with different kinds of prop slime and whatnot, as youd expect

turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Thursday, 3 December 2020 17:11 (one year ago) link

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 3 December 2020 17:12 (one year ago) link

I generally don't have time for podcasts, either, it's just kind of happenstance that I listened to the Unspooled on The Thing.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 3 December 2020 17:13 (one year ago) link

Overboard was a flop by Garry Marshall standards - made 26 million on a 22 mil budget, vs 57 million on 20 for Beaches, his next project, and $467 million on a $14 million budget for the one after that.

huge rant (sic), Thursday, 3 December 2020 17:15 (one year ago) link

Oh, another observation made in that podcast was how when the movie starts it's more or less from the POV of the (excellent) dog actor, who, as a shapeshifting monster in disguise, knows to run to a human and lick his face for sympathy/protection from the Norwegians, who know better.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 3 December 2020 17:23 (one year ago) link

Thanks Josh! I bookmarked that and will view during my next bout of insomnia.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 3 December 2020 17:26 (one year ago) link

The flying saucer opening is good partly because it leads you to believe that you're about to watch something relatively routine, whereas the body of the film turns out to be rather more WTF

Harthill Services (Neil Willett), Thursday, 3 December 2020 19:19 (one year ago) link

you could take it as Carpenter signaling the stakes, saying "REMINDER: treat this as seriously as you would any movie that begins with a flying saucer crash landing on earth". Which could be good or too bad, depending on your take. (I forget the exact quote but I once read a critic describe Carpenter as something like "hes good, but he settles for too little".)

turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Thursday, 3 December 2020 20:02 (one year ago) link

some historical links that need to be posted:

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 3 December 2020 20:08 (one year ago) link

you can hear carpenter light his first cig before the 2 minute mark on that commentary, ha

turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Thursday, 3 December 2020 20:13 (one year ago) link

Another favorite detail comes during the infamous blood test sequence. After they slice the finger open, they have a shot of the small wound being disinfected and pressure being put on it to stop the bleeding, just like when donating blood.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 December 2020 16:55 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

it's on my tv again

mark s, Thursday, 23 June 2022 20:05 (one week ago) link

Horror Channel? Awesome.

Doodles Diamond (Tom D.), Thursday, 23 June 2022 20:09 (one week ago) link

seems to be carpenter week on the only good terrestial channel

mark s, Thursday, 23 June 2022 20:11 (one week ago) link

never entirely convinced that explosives are a helpful device round a THING: surely not all the little bits are going to be burnt beyond regeneration ??

mark s, Thursday, 23 June 2022 21:45 (one week ago) link

Even setting them on fire and dumping the body in the snow to extinguish the fire seems un-thorough once they know that any wee giblet contains the full consciousness of the thing

Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Thursday, 23 June 2022 22:10 (one week ago) link

full capability anyway

if it's full consciousness then THINGS have also to be somewhat telepathic IMO (which it was in the original story) (this is discussed upthread iirc)

mark s, Thursday, 23 June 2022 22:15 (one week ago) link

One of the most unsettling images in the film imho is the drops of blood on the floor all moving around in unison when macready drops the dish during the blood test

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 23 June 2022 23:53 (one week ago) link

I get the impression that the rampaging Thingses don’t have similar thought / consciousness to humans — it takes a good while after an absorption for a Thing to be able to pilot the speech and memories of a biped, and the way the doggie thing scopes out the base and picks a human to thingify might be a hint of telepathy too.

(Does the film specify whether the saucer was piloted by the Thing, by a Thing, by another species or class that was transporting the Thing, or was a drone?)

Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Friday, 24 June 2022 01:49 (one week ago) link

in campbell's version the ship is straightforwardly a THINGship: the one they dig out (no norwegians involved) had frozen within minutes of stepping beyond the crash 20 million years ago

mark s, Friday, 24 June 2022 09:31 (one week ago) link

presumably the thing that stepped out of the crash would have been in whatever form it had assumed the last time it took over a host, that of an e.g. alpha centauran given that to our knowledge there is no stable, ur-thing form

Tracer Hand, Friday, 24 June 2022 09:46 (one week ago) link

at least that's how i've always pictured it

Tracer Hand, Friday, 24 June 2022 09:46 (one week ago) link

ah reading back in the thread i can see we've already excavated this assiduously

Tracer Hand, Friday, 24 June 2022 09:53 (one week ago) link

Tracer Hand, Friday, 24 June 2022 09:54 (one week ago) link

Can the Thing spaceship change its form?

Ward Fowler, Friday, 24 June 2022 09:55 (one week ago) link

so what's the cons of being thingified? That guy who was thingied built an entire spaceship, seems like pretty neat skill to me.

Ste, Friday, 24 June 2022 10:02 (one week ago) link

quotation from campbell (note how he writes dialogue):

"I wonder if we ever saw its natural form. " Blair looked at the covered mass. "It may have been imitating the beings that built that ship ­ but I don't think it was. I think that was its true form. Those of us who were up near the bend saw the thing in action; the thing on the table is the result. When it got loose, apparently, it started looking around. Antarctica still frozen as it was ages ago when the creature first saw it ­ and froze. From my observations while it was thawing out, and the bits of tissue I cut and hardened then, I think it was native to a hotter planet than Earth. It couldn't, in its natural form, stand the temperature. There is no life­form on Earth that can live in Antarctica during the winter, but the best compromise is the dog. It found the dogs, and somehow got near enough to Charnauk to get him. The others smelled it ­ heard it ­ I don't know ­ anyway they wwent wild, and broke chains, and attacked it before it was finished. The thing we found was part Charnauk, queerly only half­dead, part Charnauk half­digested by the jellylike protoplasm of that creature, and part the remains of the thing we originally found, sort of melted down to the basic protoplasm.

mark s, Friday, 24 June 2022 10:06 (one week ago) link

this question is not resolved afaicr and plus i don't consider blair a reliable narrator-explainer: he's not yet thingified i dont think but it has telepathically got into his mind and is directing-confusing him; we are already guessing that it bewilders its prey telepathically and hypnotically

mark s, Friday, 24 June 2022 10:08 (one week ago) link

Blair's dialogue sounds like Campbell talking to one of his writers.

Ward Fowler, Friday, 24 June 2022 10:13 (one week ago) link

it's here if you want to enjoy the rest of the "conversation":

(i mean it's a good story but the expositionmeter is off the charts)

mark s, Friday, 24 June 2022 10:16 (one week ago) link

I watched this at the cinema on Sunday (part of a Morricone season) - was great to see on the big screen. We'd all seen it before loads of times but none of us could remember who was assimilated when they were testing everyone's blood so it was still pretty suspenseful.

Was just reading some theories about whether Childs was a Thing at the end - apparently not as John Carpenter has said the computer game is canon and in the game he is a human when he freezes to death.

anybody got a flamethrower suitable for use in an antarctic research station? it's for a thing

— mutable joe (@mutablejoe) June 23, 2022

koogs, Friday, 24 June 2022 12:51 (one week ago) link

it's very good at getting you to forget who is and who isn't bcz imo carpenter cheats lol: the spreadsheet will never clear!

mark s, Friday, 24 June 2022 13:19 (one week ago) link

haha xp

Ste, Friday, 24 June 2022 13:31 (one week ago) link

i've read a handful things over the years where people plausibly solve for X re:who is & isnt a Thing, when they get turned, etc, and theres never been one that has convinced me more than others, but i've also become convinced that carpenter made the movie with a clear blueprint in his head about who was human and what was happening.

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 24 June 2022 13:49 (one week ago) link

a weirder little question than eg WHAT HAPPENS TO NAULS OMG!!11 is this: macready says "there's a storm hitting us in six hours" and then a couple of scenes later "the storm's been hitting us hard for 48 hours" -- what did they get up in between to for two whole days??!!

mark s, Friday, 24 June 2022 14:09 (one week ago) link

Was just reading some theories about whether Childs was a Thing at the end - apparently not as John Carpenter has said the computer game is canon

I had always assumed that Childs is infected, given that he appears not to be conventionally alive (no plumes of breath, unlike MacReady) - but looking at the Wiki page just now, I see that this "has been explained as a technical issue with the filming."
I have also always assumed that the reason that the saucer crashed on Earth in the first place was that the Thing had killed its crew. Its flight path in the prologue sequence suggests that it's out of control, I think?

Vast Halo, Friday, 24 June 2022 15:29 (one week ago) link

i read a thing that posited that Childs is a thing based on the fact that he drinks from the bottle Macready passes to him, since previously been careful to prepare their own meals so a human would have balked at sharing a bottle with a potential Thing, and Macready's knowing chuckle at seeing him drink is Mac realizing that... which is interesting, but i also can easily see Childs being human and just doing it bc hes tired and dying and dgaf

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 24 June 2022 16:10 (one week ago) link

watching childs actor keith david right now in an old law and order, playing a rival DA refusing to help unconvict an innocent man and quoting scalia = he is clearly a THING

mark s, Friday, 24 June 2022 16:57 (one week ago) link

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