Should Marijuana be legalised?

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Yes 39
No 1
Sorry, what was the question again? 0


Mark G, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 09:29 (ten years ago) link

c'mon

sleepingbag, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 09:31 (ten years ago) link

legalised = taxed

I thought I lived in England (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 10:30 (ten years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Saturday, 29 January 2011 00:01 (ten years ago) link

(xp) ^^^

Les centimètres énigmatiques (snoball), Saturday, 29 January 2011 00:04 (ten years ago) link

I get the idea it'd be cheaper if it was legal, even with taxes.

Rocker Brian (Abbbottt), Saturday, 29 January 2011 00:05 (ten years ago) link

It's just wishful thinking abt something I p sure I will never see in my lifetime anyway.

Rocker Brian (Abbbottt), Saturday, 29 January 2011 00:05 (ten years ago) link

I voted yes, despite not being a smoker, as legalisation means taxation, which means close scrutiny by Customs & Excise, which probably would result in a) higher quality product, b) more consistent product, c) reduction in criminal involvement.

Les centimètres énigmatiques (snoball), Saturday, 29 January 2011 00:07 (ten years ago) link

d) smoke weed everyday

contrflowvers-e (tremendoid), Saturday, 29 January 2011 00:13 (ten years ago) link

Legalization would be ideal but getting the goddamn fed to recognize the medical benefits would be a huge step. Of course marijuana has nothing in the way of lobbyist compared to pharmaceutical companies that can get just about any ridiculous drug passed.

Aerosol, Saturday, 29 January 2011 00:13 (ten years ago) link

ILX System otm

Tuomagotchi (crüt), Saturday, 29 January 2011 00:15 (ten years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Sunday, 30 January 2011 00:01 (ten years ago) link

yaaaay

difficult listening hour, Sunday, 30 January 2011 00:19 (ten years ago) link

smoke a poll

Les centimètres énigmatiques (snoball), Sunday, 30 January 2011 00:56 (ten years ago) link

WTF wrong link. goddammit

one day you're here...and then you're banned (San Te), Sunday, 30 January 2011 01:00 (ten years ago) link

now that the moment is ruined, the 1 "no" voter =

http://divisionoflabour.com/archives/tiananmen-square-tank.jpg

one day you're here...and then you're banned (San Te), Sunday, 30 January 2011 01:00 (ten years ago) link

Is that Jenna Maroney?

Rocker Brian (Abbbottt), Sunday, 30 January 2011 01:19 (ten years ago) link

I voted yes, despite not being a smoker

I voted yes, despite not having been a weed smoker for many years, because people should be allowed to do what they want and take their own risks.

Inevitable stupid dubstep mix (chap), Sunday, 30 January 2011 03:03 (ten years ago) link

otm. I don't care if I want to drink three jugs of gasoline and chase it down with rubbing alcohol, it's my damn body

one day you're here...and then you're banned (San Te), Sunday, 30 January 2011 03:18 (ten years ago) link

Can I come to your next gasoline party please San Te?

Inevitable stupid dubstep mix (chap), Sunday, 30 January 2011 03:22 (ten years ago) link

tbh I think this might be a one-time only deal, just have that sense....

one day you're here...and then you're banned (San Te), Sunday, 30 January 2011 03:26 (ten years ago) link

Awes at the "wrong" pic

Mark G, Monday, 31 January 2011 09:26 (ten years ago) link

two years pass...

Is this the next 'gay marriage' progressive galvanizer of opinion? The amount of money spent on the war on drugs generally and on cannibis specifically makes Iraq and Afghanistan look fiscally manageable and dammit if we don't already grow some killer weed.

But I'm having so much foehn! (Michael White), Thursday, 4 April 2013 22:00 (eight years ago) link

oh man i am so excited

Mordy, Thursday, 4 April 2013 22:00 (eight years ago) link

with 2/3rds of younger voters in favor of it? yes

xp

four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 4 April 2013 22:00 (eight years ago) link

not to mention the huge burden relieved off our overtaxed gulag system for housing minority fathers

Mordy, Thursday, 4 April 2013 22:01 (eight years ago) link

three years pass...
three months pass...

i need to look into getting medical w33d oil in nyc for my crohn's disease, it seems like a much more promising option than immunosuppressant injection therapies like Remicaid. I don't know where to start though. I have a feeling my gastroenterologist is not 'cool'.

I wish you could see my home. It's... it's so... exciting (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 28 September 2016 16:58 (four years ago) link

ime it is a life-saver but not a complete replacement for immunosuppressants. are you on 77? i have a thread related to the topic there. short version tho even treating myself w/ mm for about a decade i never had as much symptom relief as i'm having on the humira. tho just the humira without the mm (as i found on a recent business trip where i couldn't score) also has problems + discomfort.

Mordy, Wednesday, 28 September 2016 17:04 (four years ago) link

I asked to be put on 77 but I think it got overlooked

Basically I have one disincentive to do the humera/remicaid etc thing which is that I had a splenectomy a couple decades ago, so my immune system is already compromised bc of that. Further suppressing it worries me.

I wish you could see my home. It's... it's so... exciting (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 29 September 2016 02:49 (four years ago) link

i am looking into this for my chronic neck pain; doctor seems to think it should be pretty doable
wishing for the best for you ailments jon

thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Thursday, 29 September 2016 07:37 (four years ago) link

Not a user myself and never have been, but I do follow developments in legalization, and as I pointed out on another pot thread we're at something of a metaphysical impasse. Marijuana will never be legalized recreationally if it is formally categorized as medical, yet it is likely never going to be categorized as medical for a confluence of reasons, not least because it's hard/impossible for the FDA to isolate and independently regulate all the various chemical components in it (apparently there are only two or so botanicals legally recognized as medicine, period). And yet we have all this grey area stuff going on, with states in essence legalizing marijuana as both recreational *and* medical, even though both categories remain technically illegal on a Federal level. It also introduces all sorts of weird stuff on the medical front, not least the notion of something being legalized as medicine on a state by state basis. Has this ever happened before? That something is recognized as a medicine in one state but not another?

Anyway, it scans to me that the push for marijuana to be licensed and regulated as medical is counter-production, on the legalization front, and that a better strategy would be to focus efforts on recreational legalization. (As some piece I read about this stuff pointed out, the FDA compromise would be akin to, say, vitamins, which can be marketed and sold with medical benefits but which feature an FDA disclosure. Top of my vitamin bottle lists possible health benefits, and at the bottom: "This statement has not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.") Because marijuana clearly has benefits (as does alcohol, coffee, etc.), they're just hard to isolate and verify scientifically enough to determine a consistent dose, strength, delivery mechanism and so on per the FDA/DEA policy.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 29 September 2016 14:23 (four years ago) link

@Wonkblog
Chelsea Clinton ‘misspoke’ on marijuana risks, spokeswoman says

@ggreenwald
Meaning: what she claimed about marijuana and death was . . . false

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Friday, 30 September 2016 19:51 (four years ago) link

I asked to be put on 77 but I think it got overlooked

never been invited either. i should probably stop posting here, now that i think of it

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 30 September 2016 19:59 (four years ago) link

I still don't know what 77 is, and I've been posting here forever...

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 30 September 2016 20:33 (four years ago) link

Request Access to 77 Borad

cough cough, Friday, 30 September 2016 20:49 (four years ago) link

xp no bile intended or anything but you've got to have one of the lowest word-count-to-knowledge ratios of anyone here so it isn't exactly surprising. :D

savvinesslessness (map), Friday, 30 September 2016 20:53 (four years ago) link

Math is hard. xpost So was that ad hominem "you are dumb" addressed to me? Youch. What's up with that?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 30 September 2016 21:20 (four years ago) link

never tabulated my word count to knowledge ratio, let alone estimated how low it is. guess that precludes 77 fellowship :(

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 30 September 2016 21:31 (four years ago) link

Math is hard. xpost So was that ad hominem "you are dumb" addressed to me? Youch. What's up with that?

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, September 30, 2016 10:20 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah sorry, i'm bad at math and got it backwards. i meant to say "one of the lowest knowledge-to-word-count ratios", meaning you are often very verbosely full of shit. but never change, it takes all kinds, etc.

savvinesslessness (map), Friday, 30 September 2016 21:37 (four years ago) link

i mean we're all dumb to an extend but it takes a special spirit to go on at length anyways.

savvinesslessness (map), Friday, 30 September 2016 21:38 (four years ago) link

I'll take it!

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 30 September 2016 21:39 (four years ago) link

you're the best.

savvinesslessness (map), Friday, 30 September 2016 21:42 (four years ago) link

we should get high some time

savvinesslessness (map), Friday, 30 September 2016 21:42 (four years ago) link

i hope you guys have a good time

sorry, mr. map. never knew how word-county exclusive the love of everything is. be seeing you :(

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 30 September 2016 21:43 (four years ago) link

you should join us

savvinesslessness (map), Friday, 30 September 2016 21:45 (four years ago) link

millions of people now living have had at some point been supervised by a stoned babysitter

my favorite tortoise album

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Thursday, 28 February 2019 22:34 (two years ago) link

jic what the fuck are you on about ? i think you need to go smoke and think this over

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 28 February 2019 22:37 (two years ago) link

And they have their clientele, enough to stay in business, but you never really see people going in and out.

Washington state collected a total of $319 million in legal marijuana income and license fees in fiscal year 2017, all but $4 million of it from the state’s marijuana excise, or sales tax. [...]

The report also shows that ... the marijuana excise tax income to the state for fiscal 2017 of $319 million grew by almost $130 million from the prior year.

Those June 2016 LCB projections covered fiscal 2015 through fiscal 2019. While they may ultimately prove to underestimate actual end-of-year marijuana excise tax revenues to the state, they nonetheless show sharp growth expected.

[...]

Sales of legal marijuana in Washington state have climbed up to $1.3 billion in fiscal year 2017 , up from $786 million in fiscal 2016, and $259 million the year before.

Maybe lock the thread for a few years and come back with "should it have been legalized?"

You already posted upthread that you have been unable to determine via google whether it has even been legalised in Washington or not

steven, soda jerk (sic), Thursday, 28 February 2019 22:37 (two years ago) link

and then don't post about what you thought about

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 28 February 2019 22:38 (two years ago) link

if they want to regulate cannabis by giving it an age limit i think that's fine since there's some evidence that it can have deleterious effects on developing brains (and particularly pre-schizophrenic brains) but honestly i should be allowed to grow as much as i'd like to in my home bc seriously we should not be looking for reasons for the govt to be regulating what free people grow on their private properties. yes, i also believe ppl should be allowed to grow poppies if they want.

Mordy, Thursday, 28 February 2019 22:45 (two years ago) link

I was about to write back to Dr. C but

You already posted upthread that you have been unable to determine via google whether it has even been legalised in Washington or not

What are you talking about? I was just asking how it being legal in the US (where it is legal) compares to places like Amsterdam (where it has been legal for longer), in terms of enforcement, restrictions, regulations, etc.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 28 February 2019 22:50 (two years ago) link

you said that you couldn't figure out whether it was more or less legal, and strict, and regulated, in Washington or Amsterdam

it is not legal nor regulated in Amsterdam

QED

steven, soda jerk (sic), Thursday, 28 February 2019 23:03 (two years ago) link

and also FFS

steven, soda jerk (sic), Thursday, 28 February 2019 23:06 (two years ago) link

it is not legal nor regulated in Amsterdam

Huh?

Now I'm just confused. I was asking if it was *more* legal, and strict, and regulated in WA/OR/CA than it is in Amsterdam or *less* legal, and strict, and regulated on the west coast than it is in Amsterdam. Where I thought cannabis was legal?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 28 February 2019 23:12 (two years ago) link

The stoned babysitter thing I brought up was just as an example of cannabis not being "harmless," per se.

Arguing from hypotheticals like this is a very bad idea, because whatever you imagine has no regulator or limitation in the way reality does. If you know of a stoned babysitter anecdote where some great harm occurred, that would constitute anecdotal evidence, which is of notoriously poor quality for making wide generalizations. But imagined scenarios are not evidence of any kind for anything.

Yes, people do this all the time. But people make terrible decisions about the world when they allow imagination to take the place of experience, evidence, or something grounded in some kind of reality. It's like Europeans thinking they'll see Native Americans in feather headdresses walking around the streets if they visit Denver.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 28 February 2019 23:16 (two years ago) link

they're all too stoned now to walk around in their garb, quite sad

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 28 February 2019 23:17 (two years ago) link

That is such a weird and specific analogy

Mordy, Thursday, 28 February 2019 23:18 (two years ago) link

i was about to say

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 28 February 2019 23:18 (two years ago) link

Geez thread a buzzkill now

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 28 February 2019 23:19 (two years ago) link

OK, you don't like that one, I'll crank out another one. It's like people not visiting Yellowstone Park because they imagine they'll be eaten by a grizzly bear or a cougar, because they imagine this happening and it is vivid and frightening to them.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 28 February 2019 23:20 (two years ago) link

Sorry didn’t mean to buzzkill wondering if it was based on a real experience

Mordy, Thursday, 28 February 2019 23:21 (two years ago) link

Here's some that are highly applicable and verifiable.

When Oregon had an assisted suicide law on the ballot, prior to any other state having such a law, the opponents bruited the argument that Oregon would become a mecca for suicide tourism, with suicidal people coming from all over the world to kill themselves here. The law passed and no such thing has even remotely happened; it was imaginary.

Sarah Palin notoriously hypothesized that the ACA would absolutely lead to the creation of "death panels"; it was a given that these must be created in order to ration out scarce dollars for expensive life-saving surgeries. There was no other possible outcome. These were imaginary, too.

The usual criterion for imaginary examples to be persuasive are that they engage a deep fear and have at least a shred of plausibility, like the hordes of "illegal immigrant rapists", based almost exclusively in people's imaginations.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 28 February 2019 23:46 (two years ago) link

Huh?

Now I'm just confused.

Now?

I was asking if it was *more* legal, and strict, and regulated in WA/OR/CA than it is in Amsterdam or *less* legal, and strict, and regulated on the west coast than it is in Amsterdam. Where I thought cannabis was legal?

It is not legal in Amsterdam, they just don't prosecute possession of under 5 grams.

If you cannot figure out whether it is *less* legal, and strict, and regulated on the west coast than somewhere it is illegal, then you have not been able to figure out whether or not it has been legalised.

steven, soda jerk (sic), Thursday, 28 February 2019 23:56 (two years ago) link

millions of people now living have had at some point been supervised by a stoned babysitter

my favorite tortoise album

― jolene club remix (BradNelson)

bold repositioning by the jehovah's witnesses

the scientology of mountains (rushomancy), Friday, 1 March 2019 01:02 (two years ago) link

/millions of people now living have had at some point been supervised by a stoned babysitter/

my favorite tortoise album


Or stoned parents. I still remember freaking out over my mom climbing the stairs. "What's wrong, mom?"
Answer? I have the flu. 😂

nathom, Friday, 1 March 2019 09:39 (two years ago) link

i am a stoned parent most of the time

marcos, Friday, 1 March 2019 14:06 (two years ago) link

tbh i think it helps me to be a more empathic, loving, and engaged parent

marcos, Friday, 1 March 2019 14:08 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

https://www.thecut.com/2019/05/i-want-to-be-a-420oldfatlesbian-when-i-grow-up.html
doing good work out there

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 20:44 (two years ago) link

Medical cannabis is already legal in Illinois, marijuana has been relatively decriminalized as a street offense, we have a new overwhelmingly elected Democratic governor who campaigned on legalization, who has even assigned a number to the amount of revenue to be raised and has incorporated that into his budget, we have a Democratic super-supermajority in the house and senate, and there is last I checked strong public support for legalization. And yet, as far as I have seen, there is a good change the actually pretty modest legal cannabis bill being discussed right now won't pass in three weeks. Kind of nuts.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 10 May 2019 14:21 (two years ago) link

three weeks pass...

And three weeks pass ... and I was wrong. Looks like Illinois will become as far as I can tell the first state to legalize marijuana through the legislature.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 31 May 2019 20:05 (two years ago) link

FIRST-EVER THC OVERDOSE: A Louisiana woman who died in February was killed from THC overdose, a coroner reported. This is the first-ever recorded marijuana overdose. https://t.co/Puf0JCzrVO

— FOX 5 DC (@fox5dc) June 7, 2019

reports say some are skeptical

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Friday, 7 June 2019 03:06 (two years ago) link

i love how the coroner just kind of casually describes his theory like he's making it up on the spot

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Friday, 7 June 2019 03:08 (two years ago) link

so she stopped breathing because she was soooo chilling?

Yerac, Friday, 7 June 2019 03:14 (two years ago) link

After watching that John Oliver bit about coroners, color me skeptical as well. Sudden death while high is not the same as sudden death by high.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 June 2019 10:43 (two years ago) link

I would not be surprised if there were not some isolated incidents that come up do to people being extra with crazy dab tokes. Like you see people straight knocked unconscious . That can’t be good for you right?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 7 June 2019 12:31 (two years ago) link

due to*

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 7 June 2019 12:32 (two years ago) link

But death?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 June 2019 13:11 (two years ago) link

Bong RIP

Try Oscar Mayer and Hellmann's new Bolognnaise! (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 June 2019 13:19 (two years ago) link

lol

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 June 2019 13:19 (two years ago) link

that coroner sounds super high

Vape Store (crüt), Friday, 7 June 2019 13:25 (two years ago) link

i learned about the dire state of coroners from Frontline -- https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/post-mortem/

this one sounds like a real dope!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 7 June 2019 13:29 (two years ago) link

"What if, like, she died because there wasn't *enough* THC in her system?!"

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 June 2019 13:29 (two years ago) link

"Maybe what she was suffering from was not too much THC but too little TLC."

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 June 2019 13:30 (two years ago) link

(I feel a little bad for those, RIP)

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 June 2019 13:30 (two years ago) link

lol old lunch

marcos, Friday, 7 June 2019 13:50 (two years ago) link

But death?

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, June 7, 2019 9:11 AM (forty-three minutes ago) Bookmark

idk have any of you ever took proper dab hits from a rig ? shit is no joke

pretty sure there hasn't been a time in history were one could instantly take such concentrated doses of THC instantly.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 7 June 2019 13:58 (two years ago) link

i guess probably the highest risk is like passing out and cracking your skull on something but i'm just saying .

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 7 June 2019 14:00 (two years ago) link

When I see people doing that I can't think of anything else other than people smoking crack, so sure, I can totally imagine somebody dying.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 June 2019 14:02 (two years ago) link

lol they call it "meroin" around these parts

Ambient Police (sleeve), Friday, 7 June 2019 14:36 (two years ago) link

but this is still ridiculous ftr

Ambient Police (sleeve), Friday, 7 June 2019 14:36 (two years ago) link

for sure this case is stupid as hell

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 7 June 2019 14:40 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

looks like Delta 8 and Delta 10 THC will remain legal in Texas for the foreseeable future. There was a bill seeking to ban them that was approved in the house and senate, but ultimately it failed to make it through a reconciliation process.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Tuesday, 8 June 2021 13:38 (two weeks ago) link

It seems that marijuana has been legalized for ages, so its interesting to see that as recently as 2011 the outcome was in doubt. By the end of 2012 it would be legalized in Colorado, and then the dominoes started falling.

o. nate, Tuesday, 8 June 2021 14:32 (two weeks ago) link

I live in Wisconsin, it seems like it'll never be legalized here because our state legislature is so turbofucked

that said D8 is still legal, which is funny cuz apparently when it comes to edibles it's basically the exact same thing

frogbs, Tuesday, 8 June 2021 14:37 (two weeks ago) link

the carts I have kick my ass, but I'm a bit of a lightweight

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Tuesday, 8 June 2021 14:40 (two weeks ago) link


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