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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704111504576059713528698754.html#articleTabs%3Darticle

waiting for the big 'gotcha!' where the author reveals she was trolling us all along

dayo, Sunday, 9 January 2011 13:18 (eight years ago) link

I'm sure if you went to whatever institution her kids are in in 20 years, they'll say their mom did right

mavisbeacon666 (San Te), Sunday, 9 January 2011 16:15 (eight years ago) link

all asian parents are like this

Princess TamTam, Sunday, 9 January 2011 16:17 (eight years ago) link

laughed out loud at

What Chinese parents understand is that nothing is fun until you're good at it.

difficult listening hour, Sunday, 9 January 2011 16:21 (eight years ago) link

i'm gonna raise my kids like this. i'll tell u what happens

Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 9 January 2011 16:21 (eight years ago) link

this is like a daily mail article

guess old rupe knows about the subject at hand tho

max bro'd (nakhchivan), Sunday, 9 January 2011 16:22 (eight years ago) link

dr whiney phd cultural study #5, right?

call all destroyer, Sunday, 9 January 2011 16:27 (eight years ago) link

a friend of mine when i was growing up kind of had this upbringing, and was half-chinese, but it was all her german mother (the only parent in the history of parents to think i was a "dangerous influence", which was of course awesome) and not her really laid-back chinese father.

difficult listening hour, Sunday, 9 January 2011 16:28 (eight years ago) link

This is actually why I never call my mother now.

Yerac, Sunday, 9 January 2011 16:35 (eight years ago) link

fb friend commenting on this article my mom was the original Tiger Mother.

ice cr?m, Sunday, 9 January 2011 16:39 (eight years ago) link

http://grab.by/8hox
das right

ice cr?m, Sunday, 9 January 2011 16:39 (eight years ago) link

hot half-asian daughters http://i.imgur.com/O6lPk.gif

Princess TamTam, Sunday, 9 January 2011 16:42 (eight years ago) link

As an adult, I once did the same thing to Sophia, calling her garbage in English when she acted extremely disrespectfully toward me. When I mentioned that I had done this at a dinner party, I was immediately ostracized. One guest named Marcy got so upset she broke down in tears and had to leave early. My friend Susan, the host, tried to rehabilitate me with the remaining guests.

A+ irl trolling

Princess TamTam, Sunday, 9 January 2011 16:44 (eight years ago) link

i haven't read the article yet and don't expect much from it, but

What Chinese parents understand is that nothing is fun until you're good at it.

i definitely lean towards thinking that nothing is fun unless you're good at it

just as well i'm not gonna have kids eh

lex diamonds (lex pretend), Sunday, 9 January 2011 16:47 (eight years ago) link

i remember years ago in nyc, this chinese girl at columbia self-immolated in her dorm room during parent week

her parents were probably screaming at the smoke - LOOK AT YOU FATSMOKE

Princess TamTam, Sunday, 9 January 2011 16:51 (eight years ago) link

irl guilty lolz

ice cr?m, Sunday, 9 January 2011 16:52 (eight years ago) link

this is basically, as nakhchivan says, a really reductive portrayal of chinese people. it refers at best to a tiny class (not race) stratum and shouldn't be taken the slightest bit seriously. chinese people do better at maths because the way they're taught maths is better (and the language is probably neurologically more suited to it) (idk)

http://i26.tinypic.com/2ajucf4.jpg (acoleuthic), Sunday, 9 January 2011 16:54 (eight years ago) link

What is with the "can only play the piano or violin" fascism?

Yerac, Sunday, 9 January 2011 16:55 (eight years ago) link

yea wtf is wrong with the oboe

mavisbeacon666 (San Te), Sunday, 9 January 2011 16:55 (eight years ago) link

piano & violin are classy and difficult - no glory in scrub instruments

Princess TamTam, Sunday, 9 January 2011 16:56 (eight years ago) link

instrumentist

mavisbeacon666 (San Te), Sunday, 9 January 2011 16:57 (eight years ago) link

seems like the common thread through all this sort of high achievement theory and the world of zuckerbergs is a lack of introspection - some sort of feeling that taking a moment to question yr own motivation is the ultimate betrayal - that the only things of value are those that can be captured and held

ice cr?m, Sunday, 9 January 2011 16:59 (eight years ago) link

The main idea I took away from the article is "asians have a narrow definition of success."

Yerac, Sunday, 9 January 2011 17:00 (eight years ago) link

fb friend commenting on this article my mom was the original Tiger Mother.

― ice cr?m, Sunday, January 9, 2011 11:39 AM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

btw this girl is v successful and completely batshit

ice cr?m, Sunday, 9 January 2011 17:00 (eight years ago) link

The main idea I took away from the article is "asians have a narrow definition of success."

funny how asians have devoted most study and devotion to the very beliefs jho (and I) would promote regarding fulfilment thru inner peace and one-ness with the cosmos

as I say, this article is narrow, not asians

http://i26.tinypic.com/2ajucf4.jpg (acoleuthic), Sunday, 9 January 2011 17:01 (eight years ago) link

ur narrow

Princess TamTam, Sunday, 9 January 2011 17:03 (eight years ago) link

ur mom's anything but narrow

http://i26.tinypic.com/2ajucf4.jpg (acoleuthic), Sunday, 9 January 2011 17:04 (eight years ago) link

My idea of succcess is actually not to be anything like my crazy chinese mother.

Yerac, Sunday, 9 January 2011 17:05 (eight years ago) link

'Nothing is fun until you're good at it' is such grade A nonsense. Being good at things is fun, but so is a whole load of other stuff.

A brownish area with points (chap), Sunday, 9 January 2011 17:05 (eight years ago) link

I found basketball to be an enjoyable game. I am not good at it.

mavisbeacon666 (San Te), Sunday, 9 January 2011 17:06 (eight years ago) link

it's just funny because imagine how frantic that ethos is going to make you about anything competitive, which, under this ethos, is everything

difficult listening hour, Sunday, 9 January 2011 17:07 (eight years ago) link

I mean my entire life I've struggled with self-criticism and frantically telling myself that I had to be good at it to participate, or I shouldn't bother, but see I always thought this made me wrong....thanks chinese mom!

mavisbeacon666 (San Te), Sunday, 9 January 2011 17:08 (eight years ago) link

ur mom's anything but narrow

http://i26.tinypic.com/2ajucf4.jpg (acoleuthic), Sunday, January 9, 2011 12:04 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

whoa! WHOA! OVER THE LINE.

Princess TamTam, Sunday, 9 January 2011 17:10 (eight years ago) link

yes, her belly certainly is

mavisbeacon666 (San Te), Sunday, 9 January 2011 17:10 (eight years ago) link

I mean my entire life I've struggled with self-criticism and frantically telling myself that I had to be good at it to participate, or I shouldn't bother, but see I always thought this made me wrong....thanks chinese mom!

― mavisbeacon666 (San Te), Sunday, January 9, 2011 5:08 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

^^^
Decadent Western mind set right there.

Actually what this reminds me of most is Tracey Flick and her mother.

A brownish area with points (chap), Sunday, 9 January 2011 17:11 (eight years ago) link

being hilariously bad at things imo

arby's, Sunday, 9 January 2011 17:15 (eight years ago) link

lol tamtam itt

max bro'd (nakhchivan), Sunday, 9 January 2011 17:16 (eight years ago) link

newspaper articles by parents about their children are almost always terrible, and often deliberate trolling on the part of comissioning editors

max bro'd (nakhchivan), Sunday, 9 January 2011 17:17 (eight years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/djyrl.jpg

deejeuner sur l'herb (nakhchivan), Sunday, 9 January 2011 17:43 (eight years ago) link

u will never ever play soccer aboobooboo

ice cr?m, Sunday, 9 January 2011 17:44 (eight years ago) link

newspaper articles by parents about their children are almost always terrible, and often deliberate trolling on the part of comissioning editors

― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Sunday, January 9, 2011 12:17 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Agreed. Haven't these kind of articles become pretty standard attention-grabbing-by-trolling fare as part of the fight against the declining journalism industry?

EDB, Sunday, 9 January 2011 17:59 (eight years ago) link

http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/553141/553141,1266999345,1/stock-photo-an-asian-kid-crying-and-looking-sad-47408095.jpg

hush little whiner, u could be at Getty, Corbis, Associated Press by now, but oho u choose to have weak jaw, stubby fingers, colic, no sense of decorum.

i probably busted a nut when i was tossing her cookie salad (unregistered), Sunday, 9 January 2011 18:07 (eight years ago) link

there's nothing better for building confidence than learning you can do something you thought you couldn't.

Well, yeah. The real problem in the West is the confusion between self-esteem and self-efficacy, between "you're smart, you're talented" and "look what you accomplished with hard work." The confrontation with her daughter strikes me as insane: Of course there are ways to teach kids out of giving up that don't also involve teaching passivity to authority.

Pete Scholtes, Sunday, 9 January 2011 18:57 (eight years ago) link

:) xp

deejeuner sur l'herb (nakhchivan), Sunday, 9 January 2011 18:59 (eight years ago) link

I love the daughter saying, "I thought you were going to the Salvation Army, why are you still here?"

Pete Scholtes, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:00 (eight years ago) link

chinese people do better at maths because the way they're taught maths is better

Couldn't agree with this less - the single biggest controllable factor in how well kids do at maths is whether they live in a household where maths is prioritized and seen as important - nothing else matters a fraction as much.

Gravel Puzzleworth, Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:03 (eight years ago) link

gp otm. additionally, chinese classrooms are far, far more socially/cognitively/linguistically/culturally homogeneous than western classrooms, which makes teaching a far sight more efficient.

they call him (remy bean), Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:33 (eight years ago) link

Jesus christ there's a lot of my crazy non-chinese mother in that article including but not limited to parents feeling their kids owe them something and the instrument stuff. I played both violin and piano and the practice time thing otm. This is a really great way to make your kids great at something but suck all enjoyment out of it for them.

ENBB, Sunday, 9 January 2011 22:04 (eight years ago) link

"Say hi to your mother for me."

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 15 May 2011 20:10 (eight years ago) link

three weeks pass...

typically shitty coverage of ccm on newsnight

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WhiteAmericanFolks.jpg (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 22:42 (eight years ago) link

fucking wite ppl

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WhiteAmericanFolks.jpg (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 22:45 (eight years ago) link

ccm is fairly serene and selfreflexive for a cuckold and pr bankrupt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WhiteAmericanFolks.jpg (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 22:45 (eight years ago) link

they have her next to some flinty lumpenbourgie english nothing person who has written some other book about childrearing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WhiteAmericanFolks.jpg (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 22:48 (eight years ago) link

two weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27xDyihzilU

buzza, Thursday, 23 June 2011 00:21 (eight years ago) link

two months pass...

semper_phi Sophia ChuaRubenfeld

Am I allowed to take this art history class? I don't have a scarf on, I have no artistic ability, and I'm wearing cowboy boots.

buzza, Thursday, 8 September 2011 16:40 (eight years ago) link

she seems to satisfy 2 out of the 3 requirements?

dayo, Thursday, 8 September 2011 16:43 (eight years ago) link

her blog is cute

4. The Crying of Lot 49, by Thomas Pynchon
Weird little book. You're carefully marching along, and then you realize things are happening right and left, and you frantically try to snatch at the pieces. It's like being in the middle of a giant conspiracy theory...more of an experience than a novel.

buzza, Thursday, 8 September 2011 16:45 (eight years ago) link

tangentially related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMfihId30ME

dayo, Thursday, 8 September 2011 22:17 (eight years ago) link

via one of the noise dude threads

dayo, Thursday, 8 September 2011 22:17 (eight years ago) link

I fuck goats

dayo, Thursday, 8 September 2011 22:54 (eight years ago) link

wait no "Benevolence to all"

dayo, Thursday, 8 September 2011 22:54 (eight years ago) link

uhuh

diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Thursday, 8 September 2011 22:55 (eight years ago) link

Someone brought up "the tiger mother controversy" in class tonight and it took me minutes....minutes...before I realized what he was talking about. During those minutes I imagined a rascally lactating tiger.

Abbott, Friday, 9 September 2011 02:14 (eight years ago) link

it says 秋鸿春...

dylannn, Friday, 9 September 2011 06:04 (eight years ago) link

assuming it's from the ci poem: 一番雨过,江头绿涨,催唤扁舟解去。重来言语是相宽,怎得似、而今且住。 阳关声断,同心未绾,簌簌泪珠无数。秋鸿春燕往还时,莫忘了、锦笺分付。

dylannn, Friday, 9 September 2011 06:09 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

@semper_phi Sophia ChuaRubenfeld
Might bitchslap this lady on the T who is trashing new haven #SoSorry #DidntKnowYouOrderedAMaximumSecurityPrincessPalace #MyBad

buzza, Saturday, 22 October 2011 21:06 (seven years ago) link

that seems like a pretty accurate description of new haven?

iatee, Saturday, 22 October 2011 21:09 (seven years ago) link

Note: Lulu and I had Uglydolls before they became kitschy. Like, before they turned Trey into a girl.

the men who glare at stoats (sic), Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:28 (seven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

uh oh

semper_phi Sophia ChuaRubenfeld
Thank you, occupy Boston, for keeping me out of my room and library tonight. I'm sure the policemen you're keeping awake appreciate it too
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buzza, Friday, 11 November 2011 05:52 (seven years ago) link

ws of shame-o-meter just went haywire

pass the duchy pon the left hand side (musical duke) (Hurting 2), Friday, 11 November 2011 05:55 (seven years ago) link

semper_phi Sophia ChuaRubenfeld
harvard yard a ghost town; only those w IDs are allowed in for safety of #occupyharvard campers. the 99% is now physically locked out #irony
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buzza, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 17:21 (seven years ago) link

http://shanghaiist.com/2011/11/17/tiger-mom-wolf-father.php

dayo, Thursday, 17 November 2011 12:27 (seven years ago) link

three months pass...

When I was little, my mom told me never to complain about anti-Asian discrimination. “It’s the easiest stereotype to overcome,” she pointed out. “If you don’t like the model minority stereotype, all you have to do is get a nose ring.” And indeed, today, Asians in America are successfully outgrowing the model minority fable. But the stereotype is changing much faster than the population; the stereotype has become amorphous, all-encompassing, and practically impossible to overcome. And even when exceptions are identified, I’m not sure they should be. Why does Jeremy Lin have to be the exception to the rule? Why can’t he just be a posterchild for everything awesome and empowering about this (our) generation of rule-breaking Asian-Americans?

Anyways, that’s my rant of the month. By the way, I mean rule-breaking in a broad sense. Of course we still do our homework. Oh, and Jeremy Lin...here’s my number, so call me maybe?

http://tigersophia.blogspot.com/2012/03/claws-out-brace-yourself.html

buzza, Thursday, 8 March 2012 02:18 (seven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

26 Mar Sophia ChuaRubenfeld ‏ @SophiaCaribou

So it's settled, i'll be rapping in chinese class this friday. #baller

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buzza, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 20:50 (seven years ago) link

http://www.cjxtv.com/uploadfiles/image/2010%E7%BA%A2%E6%AD%8C%E4%BC%9A/1192593137.jpg

always wanted song dandan as my momssssss

dylannn, Thursday, 29 March 2012 07:50 (seven years ago) link

two months pass...
four weeks pass...

did they get a gift basket?

now all my posts got ship in it (dayo), Sunday, 1 July 2012 21:55 (seven years ago) link

buzza, interacialist

dis civilization and its contents (nakhchivan), Sunday, 1 July 2012 23:04 (seven years ago) link

ugh, they're yankees fans. WS hall of shame.

click here if you want to load them all (Hurting 2), Thursday, 5 July 2012 21:34 (seven years ago) link

three months pass...

carry an axe around & shes got an easy nicholson in the shining halloween costume, stuff of nightmares

johnny crunch, Saturday, 6 October 2012 02:54 (six years ago) link

he didn't wear a tiger jacket or a skirt in that movie.

dylannn, Saturday, 6 October 2012 02:56 (six years ago) link

nah i just mean her face

johnny crunch, Saturday, 6 October 2012 02:58 (six years ago) link

The pushy parent had brought only a chocolate bar and a cup of water for rations, thinking there would be shops en route.

He soon realised that, 'unlike a lot of Chinese mountains', Fuji does not have steps, according to Chinese media sources.

Au Wazza Balcazar (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 22:36 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

Yeah, I was about to post that in the race thread but since the original post asked for only Important Race Discussions and that will only bring about "yeah, what the fuck, this is dumb" reactions, I decided not to.

Murgatroid, Sunday, 5 January 2014 06:46 (five years ago) link

"triple package" is one of the worst attempted thinkmemes I've ever heard

signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 02:49 (five years ago) link

it's interesting though that the combination of "superiority" and "insecurity" is normally described more succinctly as "narcissism." Which I do indeed believe is a common trait of the "successful."

signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 02:49 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/books/2014/02/amy_chua_and_jed_rubenfeld_s_the_triple_package_reviewed.html

The only thing you need to read about their new book, really

, Monday, 24 February 2014 08:56 (five years ago) link

four years pass...

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/10/jed-rubenfeld-amy-chua-yale-law-school.html

idk if ilx has discussed this elsewhere. until recently i'd totally forgotten what the tiger mom's actual job was. seems like maybe elite law schools shouldn't exist.

circles, Thursday, 11 October 2018 01:11 (eleven months ago) link

Durrrrr, actually she’s been really busy:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/09/amy-chua-advice-brett-kavanaugh-clerks-report.html

rb (soda), Thursday, 11 October 2018 01:17 (eleven months ago) link

seven months pass...

Guess Amy Chua’s high praise of Kavanaugh finally paid off. Her daughter, Sophia Chua, is now his intern at the Supreme Court. You don’t need to be a Tiger Mom to have successful kids, you just need to sell your soul and shit on women. pic.twitter.com/bWaSN4qFLu

— Talent (@Talentiest) June 10, 2019

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 10 June 2019 18:44 (three months ago) link


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