EZRA KLEIN v MATT YGLESIAS

there

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one of my favourite things on twitter is when u can tell ppl are mad at somthing matty wrote but u have yet to figure out what, just picking up the faint signal of abuse

he wrote that government transparency is bad while being wrong about how fioa works

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don't sleep on this gem:

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/701785854159822848

xp- yeah i saw that tweet. was wondering what does it mean to make a record of a phone call though? like can i just write 'chatted with hilary clinton on the phone' on a post-it? the asymmetry he's talking at least practically exists if ppl are always saying 'lets talk on the phone'.

a good reminder that bloggers aren't journalists and don't know anything about journalism

yeah he made a bunch of finger painty points abt things he obvs doesnt know much abt or bothered to think through

like phone calls are bad because he doesnt like to make them, but obvs for a journalist phone calls are good cause the chance of the person youre talking to slipping up and saying something actually revealing is much higher than w an email

but then why do ppl ask yglesias to phone? if they're equally foiaable as emails and you can make someone slip up, seems more risky... idgi

btw u seen these videos of ezra explaining things and doing lots of hand gestures and scrunchy thinking face? he is p handsome imo but the videos are so bad lol

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/28/12281222/trump-clinton-conventions

prob just ppl are habituated to the phone

Nah i looked it up i don't think the foia thing really matters, the Public Record thing applies to stuff like 911 calls and there isn't a record of a phone call 99% of the time. so Real Journalist Steve Rilly is right that *if* there's a record u can foia it but that *if* almost never happens. the journalist pressing interviewee to slip thing doesn't really matter to foia cuz why would you foia a convo between a journalist and a politician the journo can just transcribe it and publish it

the awesomely stupid thing about this take is like, ok, so granted there's this asymmetry of transparency depending what form of communication politicians... and u want to reduce transparency on the one we do have?

"doesnt really matter" isnt really an argument when u "dont know what youre talking about" is the point re the foia point

but yeah the bigger goof is believing that transparency is bad, both symptoms of incredibly lazy thinking, mistaking ones own habits for virtue

When you're talking about Senate-confirmed appointments (especially Cabinet positions) phone calls with non-federal parties are frequently transcribed, if not at least partially scripted or even advertised on the federal register. When you're talking about other appointed positions, much less than managerial or staff functions below and around them, yeah, phone calls are pretty much all non-record, except if you're talking to a reporter, because DC and Virginia are one-party consent states for recording - Maryland is all party consent but I dunno how that works across jurisdictions.

All this seems like a complete DUH to any journalist working in this town or covering politics generally - I'm not even in public affairs and I know this shit. But Yglesias, as pointed out, is "just a blogger"

And I'm leaving out secured phone calls with foreign heads of state in case that isn't obvious

Same with the infamous Bangladesh piece. Speak to anyone with even the vaguest knowledge of the country's manufacturing industry and they will tell you that international pressure has forced importing companies to get more serious about safety in factories, that safety standards are notionally being improved by the government and that one of the major problems was factory owners flouting the existing standards that were in place. But nobody with even the vaguest knowledge of manufacturing in Bangladesh was involved in the piece.

basically just philosophy major first principals bs

disappointed that felix salmon is leaving reuters for some new bullshit thats 'post-text'

― just sayin, Saturday, 26 April 2014 06:54 (three years ago) Permalink

lol

this fucking dweeb

The message is simple: Joe Biden likes you. He likes you even if you don’t like him.

If that sounds trite, consider the contrast it offers to the reality we live in, and the politics President Trump practices. https://t.co/8II1Kln2ID

— Ezra Klein (@ezraklein) August 21, 2020

This is strictly about campaigning, Klein acknowledges in the piece that this man for all seasons shit isn’t a viable strategy for governing.

feel like Matty has been on some wild bad takes as of late

wait, milo, you started Best American Pundit 2020 even though this thread already exists?

I don't even have to read the piece, but I agree with Ezra's tweet

This one didn't show up when I searched back then for some reason - Googled both their names this time instead of just the Ez

Ezra's Tweet and column are nonsense.

"The core of Joe Biden’s politics is his talent at fulfilling the simplest of political and emotional needs: Joe Biden likes you. That was the message of this convention, and it’s the message that has always been at the core of his politics." - this is the guy who will literally tell you to vote for someone else if you express displeasure with him!!!

the tweet is fine

I unironically love twitter but it’s honestly embarrassing how people get spun up over policy fads (abolish ICE! defund police!) only to forget about them seven weeks later.

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) October 21, 2020

"let's get to one billion americans" didn't even reach the status of "policy fad" lol

sad

dear matthew yglesias,

with all due respect, please eat a bag of dicks. thank you.

Aimless

Truly the happiest time of the year — Open Enrollment Season! — when Americans get to enjoy the freedom™ to choose our own insurance plan.

Comparing monthly premiums to annual deductibles is fun!

— Matthew Yglesias 🍦 (@mattyglesias) November 11, 2020

Matt made a good post!!!!

he goes through periods where he seems like a normal reasonable online liberal guy but then doesnt get enough attention and so returns to his horrible ways

who among us etc

loool

I’ve been wanting for some time to reclaim what I had in my blog days as an independent voice, and a great opportunity has arisen for me to do that on Substack where today I’m launching a new site that you can find and read all about here:https://t.co/hwxPOtHsHm

— Matthew Yglesias 🍦 (@mattyglesias) November 13, 2020

An independent voice for independent terrible ideas.

And of course, this asshole weighs in:

Another independent thinker quits a website he co-founded. The woke claim another scalp. https://t.co/Ikl4BPGwHG

— Andrew Sullivan (@sullydish) November 13, 2020

As someone said, Sullivan's been fired so many times he can't comprehend the idea that someone might leave a job voluntarily.

lol did he even read the thread

Parting is always bittersweet and I’ll miss so many colleagues so very much but I’m looking forward to really telling everyone what’s on my mind to an even greater extent than I do now :)

— Matthew Yglesias 🍦 (@mattyglesias) November 13, 2020

1. Scoop: Ezra Klein is leaving Vox per three sources familiar with his plans. https://t.co/F5H4190gSr

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) November 20, 2020

Three sources familiar with his plans tell me he is likely to join the New York Times under their opinion section.

https://www.nytco.com/press/ezra-klein-joins-times-opinion-as-columnist-and-podcast-host/

goofus has to go to the shithole email startup, gallant gets to defend the status quo at the paper of record

it's not quite press secretary though is it

goofus has to go to the shithole email startup, gallant gets to defend the status quo at the paper of record

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damn rip vox

been enjoying slow boring. not gonna start paying for it tho. idg the substack model. i pay like 5$ a month for nyt and the idea is wed each pay a similar amount per shitty op-ed writer?

i liked the og vox explain the news concept, feel like it instantly turned to clickbait tho and also the website looks like a piece of shit