EZRA KLEIN v MATT YGLESIAS

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EZRA KLIEN 9
MATT YGLESIAS 7


ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:41 (ten years ago) link

feel like ezra is a more likable and otm but matt is a deeper thinker so i dunno

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:43 (ten years ago) link

yglesias has been annoying the fucc out of me

max, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:44 (ten years ago) link

strikes me as the kind of guy who would have been a member of 'the best and brightest' or whatever

max, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:45 (ten years ago) link

yeah thats his exact flaw, i mean he supported the iraq war via absurd over thinking, still i have to admit he has influenced my thinking on such topics as urban planning and destroying the senate

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:48 (ten years ago) link

i dumped yg from my read a while ago. i guess that's sort of 'mcnabb off my madden team' but there u go. mainstream dem-liberal technocrats aren't thin on the ground and he's a shitty writer imo. i still 'like' him i guess but i stopped enjoying his writing like at all.

however i do get into quasi-arguments about urban planning fairly frequently (and no not just on ilx) and i find myself mimicking yglesian points

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:50 (ten years ago) link

who has better trolls?

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:51 (ten years ago) link

i feel like yglesias is still sort of confused by irl

max, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:51 (ten years ago) link

"from my reader" i mean

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:51 (ten years ago) link

i must admit the truly sad number of typos were a big part of me ignoring his blog.

plus i figure the shit he talks about is so everywhere that other ppl will link to him if it's really worth it (see also: andrew sullivan)

both of these guys are nearly worthless on culture

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:53 (ten years ago) link

they used to live in a house with dave weigel and spencer ackerman, bet it was a terrible place to hang out

max, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:55 (ten years ago) link

haa i find the typos charming because a. its p 'internet' b. i am myself as you all know a masterful typo maker

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:55 (ten years ago) link

see i figured you as an accomplished and rigorous stylist whereas our think tank opinion leader is just fucking lazy and/or dyslexic

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:58 (ten years ago) link

shouldnt this be in ILM

Princess TamTam, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:59 (ten years ago) link

they used to live in a house with dave weigel and spencer ackerman, bet it was a terrible place to hang out

― max, Monday, January 3, 2011 12:55 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

that there is an offline culture of young dc bloggers and i know abt it is simultaneously fascinating and horrifying, although i was unaware of this particular amazing roommates based nugget, would love to run into these guys at a bbq and get into a drunken political argument

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:59 (ten years ago) link

see i figured you as an accomplished and rigorous stylist whereas our think tank opinion leader is just fucking lazy and/or dyslexic

― goole, Monday, January 3, 2011 12:58 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ty 4 yr support

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:00 (ten years ago) link

ackerman talks about that time the most; i did not know weigel was one of them. feel a little weird for knowing about this crap tbh.

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:01 (ten years ago) link

i dont really read attackerman, his shtick grates

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:02 (ten years ago) link

he's done with FDL if that helps

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:03 (ten years ago) link

i dunno if i've come clean about this but i have a war-nerd streak so

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:03 (ten years ago) link

ackerman talks about that time the most; i did not know weigel was one of them. feel a little weird for knowing about this crap tbh.

― goole, Monday, January 3, 2011 1:01 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

me too but on the other hand did u know that ezra klein became a health care reform expert to impress simon schamas daughter chloe

max, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:04 (ten years ago) link

no i was unaware. she must be pretty fine.

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:05 (ten years ago) link

i think i find the stuff he covers interesting, but i guess i dont really, i read him occasionally at wired xp re ackerman

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:06 (ten years ago) link

lol max whatre u talkin abt

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:06 (ten years ago) link

haha i have been under the impression that i knew a lot of gossip abt these ppl but now that i am thinking about it the thing about chloe schama is the only gossip-y nugget i know, kind of disappointed in myself

max, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:07 (ten years ago) link

http://grab.by/8b5N

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:07 (ten years ago) link

anyway when i saw ezra klein on tv i was surprised his persona seemed more journalistic glory days upstart young reporter than coddled nerdface technocratic blogger - i liked him

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:15 (ten years ago) link

he has an early 80s newspaper look and feel to him

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:16 (ten years ago) link

Yglesias has been wrong many times.

Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 January 2011 18:34 (ten years ago) link

Klein meanwhile is a duller writer but his steady crunching of numbers is ultimately educational.

Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 January 2011 18:34 (ten years ago) link

yglesiases willingness to be ambitious and wrong is imo what makes him compelling - like i understand theres danger in utopian thinking but still reimagining the world and its institutions is def one of my hobbies

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:47 (ten years ago) link

who has better trolls?

― goole, Monday, January 3, 2011 11:51 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

to answer my own q, i don't really know. klein's comments are pretty boring but i have noticed yglesias' "community" to be especially vicious and repetitive. neither of them seem to really care much but i think both have made gestures to get more involved. terrible drudgery, sounds like, to me.

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:01 (ten years ago) link

as far as blogger gossip goes, can anyone verify that there are, in fact, paid trolls out there? i'd hate to think it was mere dedication causing the same people to say the same things in the same place every day

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:03 (ten years ago) link

theres only one blog i can think of that has good comments, really feel like 'comments off' should be the default

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:04 (ten years ago) link

TNC i assume?

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:05 (ten years ago) link

your bløg has good comments joe

max, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:05 (ten years ago) link

yah tnc and lol of course goes w/o saying my blog

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:06 (ten years ago) link

btw how much does this trolling gig pay, who do i contact

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:06 (ten years ago) link

i know, right

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:06 (ten years ago) link

i saw an interview w/yglesias where he was like all my readers really hate me i have no idea why they come to my blog

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:09 (ten years ago) link

he was k funny tbh

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:09 (ten years ago) link

eh i've watched a few of his bloggingheads's and he comes off like a jerk imo, interrupting, going on and on

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:17 (ten years ago) link

ha yeah ive never been able to bring myself to watch a blogginghead and in general id much rather read than watch any news type thing but for some reason i saw this it was a friendly interview at a like blogg convention where they we just joking around

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:23 (ten years ago) link

anyway my head says klein but my heart goes yglesias, not sure what to do, prob follow my heart

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:25 (ten years ago) link

yglesias is good on urban issues - not that he says anything new, but at least he's talking to relatively wide audience. but still...super annoying on a personal level. I like klein.

iatee, Monday, 3 January 2011 20:11 (ten years ago) link

Yglesias is a philosophy major in every word he writes and this is awesome about him.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 3 January 2011 20:46 (ten years ago) link

ugh this is gonna be like that week i read glenn greenwald isnt it

plax (ico), Monday, 3 January 2011 21:39 (ten years ago) link

neither of these guys is much like glenn greenwald

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Monday, 3 January 2011 22:20 (ten years ago) link

unless you have some sort of distaste for american journalists, then yes it'll be like that lol

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Monday, 3 January 2011 22:20 (ten years ago) link

these guys are on the sensible/technocratic side of the great progressive blogger divide - greenwald exists on the polemic/activist shore - which is not to say hes any more or less otm, just that hes harder to take

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 00:39 (ten years ago) link

lol unbelievable

lag∞n, Saturday, 5 June 2021 14:43 (one month ago) link

theres literally never been a time when the democrats havent been doing that

lag∞n, Saturday, 5 June 2021 14:44 (one month ago) link

The centrist troops who ran against Cornyn and McConnell got crushed IIRC

Joe Bombin (milo z), Saturday, 5 June 2021 14:46 (one month ago) link

yeah centrism as practiced over the last 30 odd years is just not too popular right now

lag∞n, Saturday, 5 June 2021 14:51 (one month ago) link

Is there any reason to think Theresa Greenfield isn't more conservative than Joe Biden? Was Cal Cunningham a flaming liberal? Not as far as I know. What exactly is the bad choice he thinks the Democrats are making here?

Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 5 June 2021 14:54 (one month ago) link

and the only democratic senator in those five states (Sherrod Brown) is markedly less conservative than Joe Biden

symsymsym, Saturday, 5 June 2021 17:03 (one month ago) link

Maybe he wants to clone Strom Thurmond circa 1946 and bring back the Dixiecrats.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Saturday, 5 June 2021 17:09 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

Hardcore identity politics surfaced in 2016 as an opportunistic anti-Bernie gambit but most of the Young Left took the critique to heart and woke radicalism was very in vogue in 2020 as Sunrise etc hopped on the defund police bandwagon. Adams now bringing it back full circle.

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) June 20, 2021

totally

lag∞n, Monday, 21 June 2021 00:49 (one month ago) link

Sunrise etc

symsymsym, Monday, 21 June 2021 03:28 (one month ago) link

what percentage of americans have any clue who adams is

mookieproof, Monday, 21 June 2021 03:33 (one month ago) link

Who is he talking about? The Dilbert guy?

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 21 June 2021 13:37 (one month ago) link

nyc mayor candidate

lag∞n, Monday, 21 June 2021 13:46 (one month ago) link

Not going to make an argument that this guy was ever good, but it's pretty clear that twitter has steadily fried his brain over the past 6 years or so

intheblanks, Monday, 21 June 2021 13:59 (one month ago) link

the twitter/substack combo has made brain fry irresistible to a handful of famous bloggers

lag∞n, Monday, 21 June 2021 14:05 (one month ago) link

him greenwald taibbi sully are just out there tweeting "big woke identity politics cancelation today" then writing insane emails and making millions of dollars, easy work

lag∞n, Monday, 21 June 2021 14:08 (one month ago) link

Yeah, was gonna say seems like Vox helped rein in some of his worst/laziest impulses.

jaymc, Monday, 21 June 2021 14:10 (one month ago) link

i think one thing with the aforementioned substackers is despite building careers around being iconoclasts they really all are ultimately elitists and mass movements like blm really just offend their sensibilities

lag∞n, Monday, 21 June 2021 14:14 (one month ago) link

its amazing that matty tries to categorize defund the police as identity politics, its name is literally a policy proposal lol

lag∞n, Monday, 21 June 2021 14:15 (one month ago) link

oh so Iglesias has become one of those people who uses woke ironically/unironically, scare quotes/no scare quotes

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 June 2021 14:28 (one month ago) link

It's not just Adams, the fact that none of the top three candidates in the Democratic primary in a famously liberal city are willing to support "defund the police" as a slogan is telling.

o. nate, Monday, 21 June 2021 15:34 (one month ago) link

amazing that matty tries to categorize defund the police as identity politics

not so amazing if matty firmly believes that the major function of the police is to enforce racial and class norms and that voters clearly understand this and vote according to where they stand within that system of privilege. I've no idea if matty grasps this concept consciously and openly or just unconsciously and implicitly bcz he's a white American.

What's It All About, Althea? (Aimless), Monday, 21 June 2021 16:54 (one month ago) link

reasonable point

lag∞n, Monday, 21 June 2021 17:07 (one month ago) link

someone posted a screencap of Yglesias in 2016 essaying about how you can't divorce identity politics from politics because it's the only real and consistent form of politics

but Matty has deleted yesterday's tweet so I can't find it

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 21 June 2021 18:39 (one month ago) link

The contrarian grift is getting competitive so here's Matty insisting Tucker Carlson and Stephen fucking MILLER are not white nationalist extremists: https://t.co/zb11RWpfr1

— Eli Valley (@elivalley) June 25, 2021

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 25 June 2021 23:49 (one month ago) link

He deleted the tweet — the sad part is, I bet it's because he spelled Miller's first name with a "v" instead of a "ph".

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 26 June 2021 00:00 (one month ago) link

The tweet

Deleted already, usually he waits a few weeks pic.twitter.com/tq5787D9dN

— Eli Valley (@elivalley) June 25, 2021

Joe Bombin (milo z), Saturday, 26 June 2021 00:09 (one month ago) link

Do you think he has an inner life or is he just an automaton

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Saturday, 26 June 2021 00:11 (one month ago) link

Anyone defending this fucker past this point is extremely suspect imo

brooks to yglesias is approximately the rate of change pic.twitter.com/ZXZTg49X26

— Whet Moser (@whet) July 3, 2021

jaymc, Saturday, 3 July 2021 00:42 (one month ago) link

tf

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 3 July 2021 07:40 (one month ago) link

lol at "twitter is real life" tbf

lag∞n, Saturday, 3 July 2021 13:47 (one month ago) link

hell yeah bud they’re totally buying in on those hard hitting truth bombs you’re selling out of the back of your substack, and def not just a bunch of bloodless freaks who require their worldview reflected back to them while the ocean burns

Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Saturday, 3 July 2021 15:46 (one month ago) link

i know haters itt won't cop to it but klain reading yglesias is a huge improvement over obama reading david brooks. just on monetary/fiscal policy (probably the most important thing the white house has leverage on rn) matt is way more dovish than the median wonk

flopson, Saturday, 3 July 2021 17:06 (one month ago) link

in general it's kinda wild how online the biden administration are. like economists on staff and in advisory positions are disproportionately ones who have been active on twitter within the past 3 years

flopson, Saturday, 3 July 2021 17:10 (one month ago) link

Yglesias may be relatively dovish but the Biden team still seems to be fixated on triangulating with increasingly extreme (R) positions which I guess is how we end up at privatizing the TVA.

That, or they’re just using all this posturing to cover for the fact that the core platform of the Democratic Party is still rapacious neoliberalism.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Sunday, 4 July 2021 01:08 (four weeks ago) link

Failing ever upward...

🚨NEW: D.C. journalists @lkmcgann and Mark Bauman are launching a new, DC-based media company with $10 million+ Series A funding
@mattyglesias will be editor at large
— Have already hired 20+ people, aiming to have ~60 by end of year
— Launching Septhttps://t.co/syKJXKefrd

— Sara Fischer (@sarafischer) July 10, 2021

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 10 July 2021 16:34 (three weeks ago) link

Guess we'll never get to witness the pure race science era of Matty's substack career.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Saturday, 10 July 2021 16:55 (three weeks ago) link

(Until whatever billionaires are funding this pull the rug out when Biden's not in the White House anymore.)

Joe Bombin (milo z), Saturday, 10 July 2021 16:56 (three weeks ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/XDownVq.png

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 20 July 2021 22:12 (two weeks ago) link

Not politicians comfortable calling people faggots, politicians who *only just recently* became uncomfortable and thus make people with retrograde cultural views feel comfortable with him. https://t.co/C1dnv4wEaq

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) August 2, 2021

Tracer Hand, Monday, 2 August 2021 03:36 (yesterday) link

I think Yglesias's main things right now are "kill single family zoning" and "the DOJ should be prosecuting crimes committed by Trump administration officials instead of gaily letting bygones be bygones"

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 2 August 2021 03:54 (yesterday) link

I'm in favor of killing single family zoning, Matty is good again

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Monday, 2 August 2021 17:58 (yesterday) link

Matty is good again

he'll move on to worse crap soon enough

it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Monday, 2 August 2021 18:10 (yesterday) link

I don’t think people were upset that you engaged in something contentious— I think they were upset that you dropped the F bomb as a straight person. pic.twitter.com/zNcLPbaYcc

— Michael Havlin (@HavlinMichael) August 2, 2021

I honestly hadn't realized that a straight person typing out 'the f-slur' was considered beyond the pale in a context like this (responding to a direct question about the word, obviously not 'using' the slur etc), but lots of people responding to Yglesias here seem think so. I knew that this was conventual wisdom with the n-word but thought that was essentially a unique thing? Is this a recent development, or is are people just mad in this case because it's Yglesias and he's an annoying guy who likes to passive-aggressively troll people on twitter?

soref, Monday, 2 August 2021 18:39 (yesterday) link

I think people got pissed at him because he was the one who broached the subject, and it seemed like he did so specifically because it would allow him the opportunity to use the word (in a "just askin' questions here, guy" way, of course of course of course). It was a typical asshole move.

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 2 August 2021 18:55 (yesterday) link

that's his own affair

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 2 August 2021 19:11 (yesterday) link

Matty deleted all his tweets - not just the ones related to this latest kerfuffle.

o. nate, Monday, 2 August 2021 19:11 (yesterday) link

It’s like the Library of Alexandria has burned all over again.

(Also this shit was stupid even without the slur, cultural conservatives aren’t going to see Matt Damon as anything but another Hollywood liberal pedophile no matter how many slurs he uses.)

Joe Bombin (milo z), Monday, 2 August 2021 20:22 (yesterday) link

To answer soref's question, I certainly wouldn't use the f slur even in a context like that. It's just not necessary, everyone knows what's being talked about, imo.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 3 August 2021 09:55 (eight hours ago) link

does anyone even remember what the joke was and if it's anything other than making fun of fearful teen masculine absurdity by having conjoined twins call each other gay as a put-down

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 14:44 (three hours ago) link


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