EZRA KLEIN v MATT YGLESIAS

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EZRA KLIEN 9
MATT YGLESIAS 7


ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:41 (eleven years ago) link

feel like ezra is a more likable and otm but matt is a deeper thinker so i dunno

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:43 (eleven years ago) link

yglesias has been annoying the fucc out of me

max, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:44 (eleven years ago) link

strikes me as the kind of guy who would have been a member of 'the best and brightest' or whatever

max, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:45 (eleven years ago) link

yeah thats his exact flaw, i mean he supported the iraq war via absurd over thinking, still i have to admit he has influenced my thinking on such topics as urban planning and destroying the senate

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:48 (eleven years ago) link

i dumped yg from my read a while ago. i guess that's sort of 'mcnabb off my madden team' but there u go. mainstream dem-liberal technocrats aren't thin on the ground and he's a shitty writer imo. i still 'like' him i guess but i stopped enjoying his writing like at all.

however i do get into quasi-arguments about urban planning fairly frequently (and no not just on ilx) and i find myself mimicking yglesian points

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:50 (eleven years ago) link

who has better trolls?

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:51 (eleven years ago) link

i feel like yglesias is still sort of confused by irl

max, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:51 (eleven years ago) link

"from my reader" i mean

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:51 (eleven years ago) link

i must admit the truly sad number of typos were a big part of me ignoring his blog.

plus i figure the shit he talks about is so everywhere that other ppl will link to him if it's really worth it (see also: andrew sullivan)

both of these guys are nearly worthless on culture

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:53 (eleven years ago) link

they used to live in a house with dave weigel and spencer ackerman, bet it was a terrible place to hang out

max, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:55 (eleven years ago) link

haa i find the typos charming because a. its p 'internet' b. i am myself as you all know a masterful typo maker

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:55 (eleven years ago) link

see i figured you as an accomplished and rigorous stylist whereas our think tank opinion leader is just fucking lazy and/or dyslexic

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:58 (eleven years ago) link

shouldnt this be in ILM

Princess TamTam, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:59 (eleven years ago) link

they used to live in a house with dave weigel and spencer ackerman, bet it was a terrible place to hang out

― max, Monday, January 3, 2011 12:55 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

that there is an offline culture of young dc bloggers and i know abt it is simultaneously fascinating and horrifying, although i was unaware of this particular amazing roommates based nugget, would love to run into these guys at a bbq and get into a drunken political argument

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:59 (eleven years ago) link

see i figured you as an accomplished and rigorous stylist whereas our think tank opinion leader is just fucking lazy and/or dyslexic

― goole, Monday, January 3, 2011 12:58 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ty 4 yr support

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:00 (eleven years ago) link

ackerman talks about that time the most; i did not know weigel was one of them. feel a little weird for knowing about this crap tbh.

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:01 (eleven years ago) link

i dont really read attackerman, his shtick grates

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:02 (eleven years ago) link

he's done with FDL if that helps

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:03 (eleven years ago) link

i dunno if i've come clean about this but i have a war-nerd streak so

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:03 (eleven years ago) link

ackerman talks about that time the most; i did not know weigel was one of them. feel a little weird for knowing about this crap tbh.

― goole, Monday, January 3, 2011 1:01 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

me too but on the other hand did u know that ezra klein became a health care reform expert to impress simon schamas daughter chloe

max, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:04 (eleven years ago) link

no i was unaware. she must be pretty fine.

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:05 (eleven years ago) link

i think i find the stuff he covers interesting, but i guess i dont really, i read him occasionally at wired xp re ackerman

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:06 (eleven years ago) link

lol max whatre u talkin abt

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:06 (eleven years ago) link

haha i have been under the impression that i knew a lot of gossip abt these ppl but now that i am thinking about it the thing about chloe schama is the only gossip-y nugget i know, kind of disappointed in myself

max, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:07 (eleven years ago) link

http://grab.by/8b5N

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:07 (eleven years ago) link

anyway when i saw ezra klein on tv i was surprised his persona seemed more journalistic glory days upstart young reporter than coddled nerdface technocratic blogger - i liked him

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:15 (eleven years ago) link

he has an early 80s newspaper look and feel to him

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:16 (eleven years ago) link

Yglesias has been wrong many times.

Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 January 2011 18:34 (eleven years ago) link

Klein meanwhile is a duller writer but his steady crunching of numbers is ultimately educational.

Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 January 2011 18:34 (eleven years ago) link

yglesiases willingness to be ambitious and wrong is imo what makes him compelling - like i understand theres danger in utopian thinking but still reimagining the world and its institutions is def one of my hobbies

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:47 (eleven years ago) link

who has better trolls?

― goole, Monday, January 3, 2011 11:51 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

to answer my own q, i don't really know. klein's comments are pretty boring but i have noticed yglesias' "community" to be especially vicious and repetitive. neither of them seem to really care much but i think both have made gestures to get more involved. terrible drudgery, sounds like, to me.

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:01 (eleven years ago) link

as far as blogger gossip goes, can anyone verify that there are, in fact, paid trolls out there? i'd hate to think it was mere dedication causing the same people to say the same things in the same place every day

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:03 (eleven years ago) link

theres only one blog i can think of that has good comments, really feel like 'comments off' should be the default

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:04 (eleven years ago) link

TNC i assume?

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:05 (eleven years ago) link

your bløg has good comments joe

max, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:05 (eleven years ago) link

yah tnc and lol of course goes w/o saying my blog

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:06 (eleven years ago) link

btw how much does this trolling gig pay, who do i contact

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:06 (eleven years ago) link

i know, right

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:06 (eleven years ago) link

i saw an interview w/yglesias where he was like all my readers really hate me i have no idea why they come to my blog

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:09 (eleven years ago) link

he was k funny tbh

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:09 (eleven years ago) link

eh i've watched a few of his bloggingheads's and he comes off like a jerk imo, interrupting, going on and on

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:17 (eleven years ago) link

ha yeah ive never been able to bring myself to watch a blogginghead and in general id much rather read than watch any news type thing but for some reason i saw this it was a friendly interview at a like blogg convention where they we just joking around

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:23 (eleven years ago) link

anyway my head says klein but my heart goes yglesias, not sure what to do, prob follow my heart

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:25 (eleven years ago) link

yglesias is good on urban issues - not that he says anything new, but at least he's talking to relatively wide audience. but still...super annoying on a personal level. I like klein.

iatee, Monday, 3 January 2011 20:11 (eleven years ago) link

Yglesias is a philosophy major in every word he writes and this is awesome about him.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 3 January 2011 20:46 (eleven years ago) link

ugh this is gonna be like that week i read glenn greenwald isnt it

plax (ico), Monday, 3 January 2011 21:39 (eleven years ago) link

neither of these guys is much like glenn greenwald

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Monday, 3 January 2011 22:20 (eleven years ago) link

unless you have some sort of distaste for american journalists, then yes it'll be like that lol

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Monday, 3 January 2011 22:20 (eleven years ago) link

these guys are on the sensible/technocratic side of the great progressive blogger divide - greenwald exists on the polemic/activist shore - which is not to say hes any more or less otm, just that hes harder to take

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 00:39 (eleven years ago) link

"almost ever(y) other policy area"

towards fungal computer (harbl), Friday, 6 May 2022 18:51 (four months ago) link

welfare? public ownership of utilities? antitrust law? labor organizing? show me the fucking money matt

Tracer Hand, Friday, 6 May 2022 20:22 (four months ago) link

Matty's on a roll these days

ugh, missing out on so much trash spyware, heartbreaking

You know GDPR for creating those annoying cookie warning pop-overs but it seems to have also genuinely knee-capped European app development.https://t.co/79GUy5mvot pic.twitter.com/wcp2aPQNUo

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) May 9, 2022

lol retweet edition:

Jesus pic.twitter.com/3tomCtgL6H

— ℮oin Higgins (@EoinHiggins_) May 9, 2022

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 9 May 2022 22:25 (four months ago) link

wont someone think of the apps

lag∞n, Monday, 9 May 2022 22:31 (four months ago) link

two weeks pass...

For all its very real problems, one shouldn’t lose sight of the fact that the contemporary United States of America is one of the best places to live in all of human history and there’s a reason tons of people of all kinds from all around the world clamor to move here.

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) May 24, 2022

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 24 May 2022 23:21 (four months ago) link

the clamor is a rifle report

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 May 2022 23:26 (four months ago) link

Those people just want to come here to get away from the poverty, war, and corruption imposed on them by colonialism and capitalist exploitation and to get some small crumbs of benefit from the wealth that was stolen from them.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 25 May 2022 00:30 (four months ago) link

that tweet = whatever the opposite of evergreen is. always timely to those who offer it, always eyeroll and rage inducing to the rest of us

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Wednesday, 25 May 2022 15:15 (four months ago) link

I’m always reminded of a review Max Read wrote about Richard Seymour’s _The Twittering Machine_, about how social media creates these omnipresent idiots who just exist to spout off idiotic takes and can never be corrected, because being accurate isn’t their job:

On Twitter, the usual pundits and pedants sprang up demanding explanations for every slogan and justifications for every action. In these concern trolls and reply guys, Seymour’s chronophage was literalized. The social industry doesn’t just eat our time with endless stimulus and algorithmic scrolling; it eats our time by creating and promoting people who exist only to be explained to, people to whom the world has been created anew every morning, people for whom every settled sociological, scientific, and political argument of modernity must be rehashed, rewritten, and re-accounted, this time with their participation.

These people, with their just-asking questions and vapid open letters, are dullards and bores, pettifoggers and casuists, cowards and dissemblers, time-wasters of the worst sort. But Seymour’s book suggests something worse about us, their Twitter and Facebook interlocutors: That we want to waste our time. That, however much we might complain, we find satisfaction in endless, circular argument. That we get some kind of fulfillment from tedious debates about “free speech” and “cancel culture.” That we seek oblivion in discourse. In the machine-flow atemporality of social media, this seems like no great crime. If time is an infinite resource, why not spend a few decades of it with a couple New York Times op-ed columnists, rebuilding all of Western thought from first principles?

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 25 May 2022 15:57 (four months ago) link

“A chronophage” seems a handy descriptor for some many people and platforms.

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 25 May 2022 16:47 (four months ago) link

like the langoliers

adam, Wednesday, 25 May 2022 17:14 (four months ago) link

two months pass...

Spent most of the day finally getting the garage organized.

Growing up in Manhattan, I never dreamed I’d be able to achieve this level of dad. pic.twitter.com/YWmIM4ew0c

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) July 31, 2022

lag∞n, Monday, 1 August 2022 21:22 (one month ago) link

That is the saddest pegboard I've ever seen.

DJI, Monday, 1 August 2022 21:28 (one month ago) link

I never thought I'd feel sympathy for either of these fuckers, but this Atlantic piece by Klein's wife is fucking harrowing.

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 1 August 2022 21:52 (one month ago) link

haha when we prevent this thing weve done absolutely nothing to prevent the haters are gonna be so mad

I guess some people are going to be disappointed when it turns out the world adopts enough policy to keep climate change to survivable levels without radically overthrowing capitalism or abandoning economic growth, but personally I think it's good.

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) August 8, 2022

lag∞n, Monday, 8 August 2022 17:35 (one month ago) link

Wouldn't it be even cooler if we did even less and it turned out to be almost survivable?

F'kin Magnetometers, how do they work? (President Keyes), Monday, 8 August 2022 17:44 (one month ago) link

Matt just figures the democrats will be able to squeak just enough climate change policy and budget past the Republican death cult and their own clowns in the Senate that the US middle class won't die in great numbers, because, hey, how hard can it be? All it took this time was throwing some red meat to the hedge funds and billionaires and a 50-50 tie-breaking vote from the Vice President. No sweat. And maybe in another dozen years there'll be another bill to move the needle a bit. What more does anyone need?

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 8 August 2022 17:58 (one month ago) link

From unperson's linked Atlantic article:

(My doctor) had a feeling about some pregnancies, she told me. Mine was one of them. Then she told me about two patients who had had severe pruritus (itching) during pregnancy. The first gave herself frostbite during a blizzard, ripping her clothes off and letting the snow numb her. The second threw herself out a window.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 8 August 2022 18:16 (one month ago) link

ok thanks

lag∞n, Monday, 8 August 2022 18:23 (one month ago) link

pic.twitter.com/QTuFPUYeW7

— Ken Klippenstein (@kenklippenstein) August 21, 2022

papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 21 August 2022 20:01 (one month ago) link

meanwhile, in real life, every university in the entire fucking universe keeps raising tuition constantly, every single year, far outpacing inflation, and they will keep doing it, and no one has any plan

Karl Malone, Sunday, 21 August 2022 21:50 (one month ago) link

Heh. In Florida we're forbidden to raise tuition!

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 21 August 2022 21:56 (one month ago) link

Thanks, Rick 'n' Ron!

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 21 August 2022 21:56 (one month ago) link

Well, as I understand it you're also forbidden to teach anything but The Passing of the Great Race and The Art of the Deal, so raising prices would be unjustifiable.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 21 August 2022 22:05 (one month ago) link

Heh. In Florida we're forbidden to raise tuition!

that seems like a difficult law to repeal, politically, and something tells me it will be a Democrat who does it

Karl Malone, Sunday, 21 August 2022 22:10 (one month ago) link

Now that Biden has delivered for his base on climate and student loans, I unironically think it would be smart to pivot to some bipartisan commissions.

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) August 26, 2022

Hell yeah Marty that would really seize upon the moment.

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 27 August 2022 16:05 (one month ago) link

it's too late, it's already happening

NEW— Biden is taping with Jay Leno this afternoon.

Pool is waiting for his arrival via Marine One at the James Rowley Training Center in Maryland, which is operated by the US Secret Service.

— AlexGangitano (@AlexGangitano) August 26, 2022

Karl Malone, Saturday, 27 August 2022 16:10 (one month ago) link

it's about cars

Karl Malone, Saturday, 27 August 2022 16:11 (one month ago) link

Leno finally gets to hang with someone who remembers Stanley Steamers.

Mar - a - Lago, or 120 Days of Sodom (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 27 August 2022 17:59 (one month ago) link

Is that where a guy from Pittsburgh shits on your chest?

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 27 August 2022 18:01 (one month ago) link

lol milo

flopson, Sunday, 28 August 2022 00:56 (one month ago) link

this guy has come out of nowhere to be one of the worst guys

Worth remembering the vicious abuse that @ProfEmilyOster & others who made this argument were subjected to.

Then think about other debates like that.

You're not hearing from a lot of people on some topics because they don't want to deal with it.

The result is worse outcomes. https://t.co/YLEok7ZyJW

— Jason Furman (@jasonfurman) September 1, 2022

lag∞n, Thursday, 1 September 2022 14:34 (four weeks ago) link

lol remember when Emily Oster was platformed everywhere and continued to be so despite some people online being rude

You can't spell Fearless without Earle (President Keyes), Thursday, 1 September 2022 14:37 (four weeks ago) link

they were vicious to her simply because she was writing dishonest sociopathic articles about a major public health crisis

lag∞n, Thursday, 1 September 2022 14:44 (four weeks ago) link

two weeks pass...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdMlVXAX0AIxr0B?format=png&name=large

lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 September 2022 17:41 (one week ago) link

looking at data for which system of plunder had the best outcomes is so MattY. It's like ranking Slave Plantations based on the SAT scores of the descendants of the slaves who worked them.

SincereLee 'Scratch' Perry (President Keyes), Wednesday, 21 September 2022 17:49 (one week ago) link

I missed the news of this new Yglesias podcast.

On the new show, they will tackle one “bad take” per week. The show will take the form of conversations between a writer and an editor, with McGann pushing Yglesias to strengthen his argument.

She said the show developed out of their own conversations, in which they would talk about a bad tweet or a bad argument they had seen online. The show’s producer, Olivia Reingold, pushed them to bring their offline dynamic to the show.

“He starts with a fairly clear point of view. I think I play a role in forcing him to pause and think through his argument,” McGann said. “I really do find myself talking to Matt the way I would talk to him as a writer. I think it forces Matt to step up his game and convince his editor of something.”

jaymc, Wednesday, 21 September 2022 17:53 (one week ago) link

i love how that entire blurb leaves open the possibility that the "bad take" or bad tweet that they will be discussing will in fact be one of Yglesias' bad takes

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 21 September 2022 18:20 (one week ago) link

so Matt we found a tweet that’s actually a book where this idiot says there should be a billion americans, nobody could defend such a thought, have at it

Clay, Wednesday, 21 September 2022 20:24 (one week ago) link

really unnecessary to center the podcast episode around a tucker carlson monologue, especially when there were a million other dumbshits making the same points

symsymsym, Thursday, 22 September 2022 02:01 (one week ago) link

i love how that entire blurb leaves open the possibility that the "bad take" or bad tweet that they will be discussing will in fact be one of Yglesias' bad takes

― Karl Malone, Wednesday, September 21, 2022 1:20 PM (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Haha yes. It's also just funny that she admits that his arguments are usually half-baked.

jaymc, Thursday, 22 September 2022 02:08 (one week ago) link

matt as we all know is an incredibly lazy loser, my job as an editor is to make him not be like that

lag∞n, Thursday, 22 September 2022 02:10 (one week ago) link

i love how all the other pundits have some pet theory in mind -- even if it's something as abhorrent as 'jews will not replace us' -- and in 20 years all matty has come up with is ONE BILLION AMERICANS

why does he have a following? just impossibly mediocre

mookieproof, Thursday, 22 September 2022 02:16 (one week ago) link

oh

I don’t know if the @maggieNYT defense squad needs another member, but one reason journalists don’t always tell you everything they know right away is that which things people are willing to tell you hinges in part on what you are planning to disclose and when.

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) September 27, 2022

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 18:53 (yesterday) link

One reason governments lie to you is that you won't like things they want to do

I often read his name as "Matty Glesias," which sounds like a brand of cheap beer.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 19:16 (yesterday) link


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