EZRA KLEIN v MATT YGLESIAS

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EZRA KLIEN 9
MATT YGLESIAS 7


ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:41 (nine years ago) link

feel like ezra is a more likable and otm but matt is a deeper thinker so i dunno

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:43 (nine years ago) link

yglesias has been annoying the fucc out of me

max, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:44 (nine years ago) link

strikes me as the kind of guy who would have been a member of 'the best and brightest' or whatever

max, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:45 (nine years ago) link

yeah thats his exact flaw, i mean he supported the iraq war via absurd over thinking, still i have to admit he has influenced my thinking on such topics as urban planning and destroying the senate

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:48 (nine years ago) link

i dumped yg from my read a while ago. i guess that's sort of 'mcnabb off my madden team' but there u go. mainstream dem-liberal technocrats aren't thin on the ground and he's a shitty writer imo. i still 'like' him i guess but i stopped enjoying his writing like at all.

however i do get into quasi-arguments about urban planning fairly frequently (and no not just on ilx) and i find myself mimicking yglesian points

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:50 (nine years ago) link

who has better trolls?

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:51 (nine years ago) link

i feel like yglesias is still sort of confused by irl

max, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:51 (nine years ago) link

"from my reader" i mean

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:51 (nine years ago) link

i must admit the truly sad number of typos were a big part of me ignoring his blog.

plus i figure the shit he talks about is so everywhere that other ppl will link to him if it's really worth it (see also: andrew sullivan)

both of these guys are nearly worthless on culture

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:53 (nine years ago) link

they used to live in a house with dave weigel and spencer ackerman, bet it was a terrible place to hang out

max, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:55 (nine years ago) link

haa i find the typos charming because a. its p 'internet' b. i am myself as you all know a masterful typo maker

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:55 (nine years ago) link

see i figured you as an accomplished and rigorous stylist whereas our think tank opinion leader is just fucking lazy and/or dyslexic

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:58 (nine years ago) link

shouldnt this be in ILM

Princess TamTam, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:59 (nine years ago) link

they used to live in a house with dave weigel and spencer ackerman, bet it was a terrible place to hang out

― max, Monday, January 3, 2011 12:55 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

that there is an offline culture of young dc bloggers and i know abt it is simultaneously fascinating and horrifying, although i was unaware of this particular amazing roommates based nugget, would love to run into these guys at a bbq and get into a drunken political argument

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 17:59 (nine years ago) link

see i figured you as an accomplished and rigorous stylist whereas our think tank opinion leader is just fucking lazy and/or dyslexic

― goole, Monday, January 3, 2011 12:58 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ty 4 yr support

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:00 (nine years ago) link

ackerman talks about that time the most; i did not know weigel was one of them. feel a little weird for knowing about this crap tbh.

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:01 (nine years ago) link

i dont really read attackerman, his shtick grates

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:02 (nine years ago) link

he's done with FDL if that helps

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:03 (nine years ago) link

i dunno if i've come clean about this but i have a war-nerd streak so

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:03 (nine years ago) link

ackerman talks about that time the most; i did not know weigel was one of them. feel a little weird for knowing about this crap tbh.

― goole, Monday, January 3, 2011 1:01 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

me too but on the other hand did u know that ezra klein became a health care reform expert to impress simon schamas daughter chloe

max, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:04 (nine years ago) link

no i was unaware. she must be pretty fine.

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:05 (nine years ago) link

i think i find the stuff he covers interesting, but i guess i dont really, i read him occasionally at wired xp re ackerman

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:06 (nine years ago) link

lol max whatre u talkin abt

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:06 (nine years ago) link

haha i have been under the impression that i knew a lot of gossip abt these ppl but now that i am thinking about it the thing about chloe schama is the only gossip-y nugget i know, kind of disappointed in myself

max, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:07 (nine years ago) link

http://grab.by/8b5N

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:07 (nine years ago) link

anyway when i saw ezra klein on tv i was surprised his persona seemed more journalistic glory days upstart young reporter than coddled nerdface technocratic blogger - i liked him

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:15 (nine years ago) link

he has an early 80s newspaper look and feel to him

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:16 (nine years ago) link

Yglesias has been wrong many times.

Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 January 2011 18:34 (nine years ago) link

Klein meanwhile is a duller writer but his steady crunching of numbers is ultimately educational.

Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 January 2011 18:34 (nine years ago) link

yglesiases willingness to be ambitious and wrong is imo what makes him compelling - like i understand theres danger in utopian thinking but still reimagining the world and its institutions is def one of my hobbies

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 18:47 (nine years ago) link

who has better trolls?

― goole, Monday, January 3, 2011 11:51 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

to answer my own q, i don't really know. klein's comments are pretty boring but i have noticed yglesias' "community" to be especially vicious and repetitive. neither of them seem to really care much but i think both have made gestures to get more involved. terrible drudgery, sounds like, to me.

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:01 (nine years ago) link

as far as blogger gossip goes, can anyone verify that there are, in fact, paid trolls out there? i'd hate to think it was mere dedication causing the same people to say the same things in the same place every day

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:03 (nine years ago) link

theres only one blog i can think of that has good comments, really feel like 'comments off' should be the default

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:04 (nine years ago) link

TNC i assume?

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:05 (nine years ago) link

your bløg has good comments joe

max, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:05 (nine years ago) link

yah tnc and lol of course goes w/o saying my blog

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:06 (nine years ago) link

btw how much does this trolling gig pay, who do i contact

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:06 (nine years ago) link

i know, right

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:06 (nine years ago) link

i saw an interview w/yglesias where he was like all my readers really hate me i have no idea why they come to my blog

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:09 (nine years ago) link

he was k funny tbh

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:09 (nine years ago) link

eh i've watched a few of his bloggingheads's and he comes off like a jerk imo, interrupting, going on and on

goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:17 (nine years ago) link

ha yeah ive never been able to bring myself to watch a blogginghead and in general id much rather read than watch any news type thing but for some reason i saw this it was a friendly interview at a like blogg convention where they we just joking around

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:23 (nine years ago) link

anyway my head says klein but my heart goes yglesias, not sure what to do, prob follow my heart

ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:25 (nine years ago) link

yglesias is good on urban issues - not that he says anything new, but at least he's talking to relatively wide audience. but still...super annoying on a personal level. I like klein.

iatee, Monday, 3 January 2011 20:11 (nine years ago) link

Yglesias is a philosophy major in every word he writes and this is awesome about him.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 3 January 2011 20:46 (nine years ago) link

ugh this is gonna be like that week i read glenn greenwald isnt it

plax (ico), Monday, 3 January 2011 21:39 (nine years ago) link

neither of these guys is much like glenn greenwald

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Monday, 3 January 2011 22:20 (nine years ago) link

unless you have some sort of distaste for american journalists, then yes it'll be like that lol

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Monday, 3 January 2011 22:20 (nine years ago) link

these guys are on the sensible/technocratic side of the great progressive blogger divide - greenwald exists on the polemic/activist shore - which is not to say hes any more or less otm, just that hes harder to take

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 00:39 (nine years ago) link

And I'm leaving out secured phone calls with foreign heads of state in case that isn't obvious

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Friday, 9 September 2016 02:55 (four years ago) link

Same with the infamous Bangladesh piece. Speak to anyone with even the vaguest knowledge of the country's manufacturing industry and they will tell you that international pressure has forced importing companies to get more serious about safety in factories, that safety standards are notionally being improved by the government and that one of the major problems was factory owners flouting the existing standards that were in place. But nobody with even the vaguest knowledge of manufacturing in Bangladesh was involved in the piece.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Friday, 9 September 2016 05:16 (four years ago) link

basically just philosophy major first principals bs

lag∞n, Friday, 9 September 2016 05:25 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

disappointed that felix salmon is leaving reuters for some new bullshit thats 'post-text'

― just sayin, Saturday, 26 April 2014 06:54 (three years ago) Permalink

lol

just sayin, Monday, 29 January 2018 05:22 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

this fucking dweeb

The message is simple: Joe Biden likes you. He likes you even if you don’t like him.

If that sounds trite, consider the contrast it offers to the reality we live in, and the politics President Trump practices. https://t.co/8II1Kln2ID

— Ezra Klein (@ezraklein) August 21, 2020

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Saturday, 22 August 2020 03:16 (three months ago) link

This is strictly about campaigning, Klein acknowledges in the piece that this man for all seasons shit isn’t a viable strategy for governing.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Saturday, 22 August 2020 04:35 (three months ago) link

feel like Matty has been on some wild bad takes as of late

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 22 August 2020 04:35 (three months ago) link

wait, milo, you started Best American Pundit 2020 even though this thread already exists?

jaymc, Saturday, 22 August 2020 04:58 (three months ago) link

I don't even have to read the piece, but I agree with Ezra's tweet

jaymc, Saturday, 22 August 2020 04:59 (three months ago) link

This one didn't show up when I searched back then for some reason - Googled both their names this time instead of just the Ez

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Saturday, 22 August 2020 04:59 (three months ago) link

Ezra's Tweet and column are nonsense.

"The core of Joe Biden’s politics is his talent at fulfilling the simplest of political and emotional needs: Joe Biden likes you. That was the message of this convention, and it’s the message that has always been at the core of his politics." - this is the guy who will literally tell you to vote for someone else if you express displeasure with him!!!

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Saturday, 22 August 2020 05:00 (three months ago) link

the tweet is fine

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 22 August 2020 06:06 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

I unironically love twitter but it’s honestly embarrassing how people get spun up over policy fads (abolish ICE! defund police!) only to forget about them seven weeks later.

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) October 21, 2020

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 17:17 (one month ago) link

"let's get to one billion americans" didn't even reach the status of "policy fad" lol

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 17:34 (one month ago) link

sad

lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 October 2020 17:54 (one month ago) link

dear matthew yglesias,

with all due respect, please eat a bag of dicks. thank you.

Aimless

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Thursday, 22 October 2020 04:14 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

Truly the happiest time of the year — Open Enrollment Season! — when Americans get to enjoy the freedom™ to choose our own insurance plan.

Comparing monthly premiums to annual deductibles is fun!

— Matthew Yglesias 🍦 (@mattyglesias) November 11, 2020

Matt made a good post!!!!

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 01:25 (two weeks ago) link

he goes through periods where he seems like a normal reasonable online liberal guy but then doesnt get enough attention and so returns to his horrible ways

lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 01:43 (two weeks ago) link

who among us etc

Clay, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 02:43 (two weeks ago) link

loool

I’ve been wanting for some time to reclaim what I had in my blog days as an independent voice, and a great opportunity has arisen for me to do that on Substack where today I’m launching a new site that you can find and read all about here:https://t.co/hwxPOtHsHm

— Matthew Yglesias 🍦 (@mattyglesias) November 13, 2020

lag∞n, Friday, 13 November 2020 16:15 (two weeks ago) link

An independent voice for independent terrible ideas.

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Friday, 13 November 2020 17:52 (two weeks ago) link

And of course, this asshole weighs in:

Another independent thinker quits a website he co-founded. The woke claim another scalp. https://t.co/Ikl4BPGwHG

— Andrew Sullivan (@sullydish) November 13, 2020

As someone said, Sullivan's been fired so many times he can't comprehend the idea that someone might leave a job voluntarily.

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 13 November 2020 17:58 (two weeks ago) link

lol did he even read the thread

Parting is always bittersweet and I’ll miss so many colleagues so very much but I’m looking forward to really telling everyone what’s on my mind to an even greater extent than I do now :)

— Matthew Yglesias 🍦 (@mattyglesias) November 13, 2020

lag∞n, Friday, 13 November 2020 18:03 (two weeks ago) link

1. Scoop: Ezra Klein is leaving Vox per three sources familiar with his plans. https://t.co/F5H4190gSr

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) November 20, 2020

jaymc, Friday, 20 November 2020 18:29 (one week ago) link

Three sources familiar with his plans tell me he is likely to join the New York Times under their opinion section.

jaymc, Friday, 20 November 2020 18:30 (one week ago) link

goofus has to go to the shithole email startup, gallant gets to defend the status quo at the paper of record

lag∞n, Friday, 20 November 2020 18:58 (one week ago) link

it's not quite press secretary though is it

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Friday, 20 November 2020 19:14 (one week ago) link

goofus has to go to the shithole email startup, gallant gets to defend the status quo at the paper of record


I’ve got the image of the actual Highlights comic in my head w Matt’s & Ezra’s faces and I honestly can’t quit laughing

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Friday, 20 November 2020 22:34 (one week ago) link

:]

lag∞n, Friday, 20 November 2020 22:35 (one week ago) link

damn rip vox

flopson, Saturday, 21 November 2020 06:33 (one week ago) link

been enjoying slow boring. not gonna start paying for it tho. idg the substack model. i pay like 5$ a month for nyt and the idea is wed each pay a similar amount per shitty op-ed writer?

flopson, Saturday, 21 November 2020 06:35 (one week ago) link

i liked the og vox explain the news concept, feel like it instantly turned to clickbait tho and also the website looks like a piece of shit

flopson, Saturday, 21 November 2020 06:37 (one week ago) link

substack is OnlyFans for wonking instead of wanking

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Saturday, 21 November 2020 06:46 (one week ago) link

i am legit Old etc but idgi

how is substack different from tinyletter or tumblr or otherwise bcc-ing a shitload of people?

who are these people paying actual money to read GG or matty blogs?

(explain podcast money here too while you're at it pls)

mookieproof, Saturday, 21 November 2020 06:54 (one week ago) link

Podcasts have adverts in them and/or some or all of the episodes are only made available to people who pay a subscription

Politically homely (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 21 November 2020 07:10 (one week ago) link

There’s also venture capital and incumbent content company money pits but as an independent the model tends to be to put out a free episode that is good, and then a worse bonus episode that is less work to make to your Patreon backers

is right unfortunately (silby), Saturday, 21 November 2020 07:18 (one week ago) link

Remains to be seen if a real number of people pay money to read GG/Yglesias. With the former it seemed like a lashing out of ego with nowhere else to go, Matty might be happy to make lunch money blogging and his real income via books/podcasts/other media.

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Saturday, 21 November 2020 07:39 (one week ago) link

Greenwald has a p big fan base. not sure if yglesias can pull it off tho. i looked into it tho and so far u pay to comment? lol

flopson, Saturday, 21 November 2020 07:48 (one week ago) link

i understand a subscription model! just not why these particular people are worth it -- what are they offering that cannot be had free?

mookieproof, Saturday, 21 November 2020 07:55 (one week ago) link

If you really enjoyed Greenwald's reporting on Bolsonaro or natsec or whatever, or Taibbi on Wall Street, it might be worth tipping them a Starbucks a month as a show of support plus you get a couple of posts.

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Saturday, 21 November 2020 08:11 (one week ago) link

Taibbi is clearly pulling in enough money to make this route attractive to others

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Saturday, 21 November 2020 22:45 (one week ago) link

ngl as someone who has been saying things like “bring blogs back” for the last 5 years i actually like substack quite a bit. before sullivan taibbi and greenwald all angrily resigned and it got a reputation as the platform for bad boy anti wokeists, the mailing lists i was subscribed to were (1) an economic historian writing about the lives of inventors in 18-19th c europe (2) rap blogger andrew noz (who retired his substack last week when it stopped being cool) (3) a labor lawyer (4) online friend who does the hipster variant of post-keynesian economics mixed with anime and psychoanalysis (5) leftist tech guy (hasn’t posted in a while, i followed cus of max read recommend). it’s kind of annoying that they go to my email instead of rss but it’s pretty cool to see ppl writing longer form stuff, im getting p tired of twitter threads

flopson, Saturday, 21 November 2020 23:17 (one week ago) link

Taibbi is still a Rolling Stone regular, seems like substack might be his outlet for things that can’t go to the day job.

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Saturday, 21 November 2020 23:34 (one week ago) link

If the piece on the Chicago PD that's on the site right now is any indication, they really don't need him for anything and would be better off cutting ties.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 22 November 2020 00:24 (six days ago) link

FYI flopson you can get an RSS feed of any Substack, just put /feed after the domain. Doesn't work for paid posts though.

Ari (whenuweremine), Sunday, 22 November 2020 14:47 (six days ago) link

if you're gonna call something "slow boring" it better be really good which is why i think it might not have been a great choice

superdeep borehole (harbl), Sunday, 22 November 2020 17:11 (six days ago) link

yeah slow and deep is not really the matty g brand lol

lag∞n, Sunday, 22 November 2020 17:18 (six days ago) link

ya awful name

flopson, Sunday, 22 November 2020 17:25 (six days ago) link

Slow Boring: A Podcast About The Band Low

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 22 November 2020 17:37 (six days ago) link


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