Your modern take? Do you have instances where you take your own pound of flesh?
― a penis with a man hanging from (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 12 December 2010 08:55 (thirteen years ago) link
the only real justice imo. somebody's gotta take out the trash. and that somebody...is me.
― a cuter kind of annoying (latebloomer), Sunday, 12 December 2010 08:57 (thirteen years ago) link
they call me The Garbageman
^ like
my new thing is keying cabs that don't stop, even if their light is off, or dudes who stop, ask where you're going and won't unlock the doors. Also, I cut up seats if I get in the car and start bitching.
― a penis with a man hanging from (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 12 December 2010 09:01 (thirteen years ago) link
even if their light is off should read even if their light is on.
I went the full Buffy on a guy who was drunkenly harassing me and a friend on the Tube. All the other passengers were cowed or looking over at us with embarrassment, as people often do on public transport. He kept standing on our feet and went for the full range of sexist insults when we told him to stop, and kept barging into us. When we reached our destination, I told my friend to get clear, called out, 'hey, asshole!' and when he lunged forward, I spat a massive and truly special lung cookie into his face, tripped him onto the carriage floor, and swung myself out of the carriage using the overhead bar as the doors closed on our attacker.
Note: I'm about 5'3". He was 6'5" and built like a brick shithouse.
― Exotic Flavors of the Midwest, available in corn, bacon, or beef (suzy), Sunday, 12 December 2010 09:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Too bad the UK doesn't have conceal and carry. Just reading that post enrages me. My how illiberal I sound.
― Hexum Enduction Hour (u s steel), Sunday, 12 December 2010 11:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Too bad you don't own a gun. Then you could hold it to your temple and fire it.
― Exotic Flavors of the Midwest, available in corn, bacon, or beef (suzy), Sunday, 12 December 2010 11:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I am so, so sorry, please write some more, I didn't mean to offend it was a light-hearted post and you are such a terrific writer with so many interesting stories.
― Hexum Enduction Hour (u s steel), Sunday, 12 December 2010 11:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Everyone has the power to do harm to one another, but without some sort of sanction from the community and some sort of process for obtaining that sanction, using the power to harm others cannot result in any benefit to the community. Harming others upon your own sanction, for your own personal benefit, is never legitimate, however justified and righteous you feel about it.
― Aimless, Sunday, 12 December 2010 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link
this reminds of that part in 2666 where the friends beat the shit out of a misogynist cab driver
― which ear is the queer ear (corey), Sunday, 12 December 2010 19:15 (thirteen years ago) link
my friends and I once stole $400 from a frat dude's desk drawer and then went out and bought drinks for women that did not contain Rohypnol
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 12 December 2010 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Sorry Jimmy The Mod, I don't really think keying cars is really justifiable.
― I am using your worlds, Sunday, 12 December 2010 19:22 (thirteen years ago) link
None of the examples in this thread seem particularly justifiable TBH.
If someone broke into my home with intend to do bodily harm, and I was able to subdue said person, I could imagine giving him a few gratuitous whacks and feeling entirely justified about it. But basically vigilante justice is not a good thing.
― Super Cub, Sunday, 12 December 2010 19:31 (thirteen years ago) link
closest i've come lately is slyly waterig my neighbours drive during the hard freeze.
agree that everything so far seems waaaay over the top
― chortlin acoleuthic (darraghmac), Sunday, 12 December 2010 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm hoping there was more of a story behind this other than "lol all frat dudes rape and we should steal from them", otherwise you are a huge asshole.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, 12 December 2010 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I liked suzy's story! That big dude was a drunk jerk. And buffy is awesome.
― Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Sunday, 12 December 2010 19:39 (thirteen years ago) link
spitting on people is never acceptable.
― À la recherche du temps Pardew (jim in glasgow), Sunday, 12 December 2010 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link
trying to kick them in the head because they said something nasty to your friend is of course fine.
― À la recherche du temps Pardew (jim in glasgow), Sunday, 12 December 2010 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
(shouldn't drink)
I think there should be some overlap with this thread.
― which ear is the queer ear (corey), Sunday, 12 December 2010 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
especially spitting in someone's face
xpost
― Super Cub, Sunday, 12 December 2010 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link
You guys are crazy! There are SO many people who deserve spit in their face!
― Fetchboy, Sunday, 12 December 2010 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link
The thing about Suzy's story (and I don't mean to single out Suzy, just using it as an example) is how easily that situation could have been defused. They could have moved to a different part of the train or gotten off at the next station and waited for a later train. Spitting in someone's face and then tripping them just seems like the worst way to handle the situation. And that's my suspicion with most cases of "vigilante justice." They all seem to revolve around bad judgment brought on by rage.
― Super Cub, Sunday, 12 December 2010 20:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Nope. Fuck public bullying. Sorry, but I cant fingerwag at that one.
― Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Sunday, 12 December 2010 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link
They could have moved to a different part of the train or gotten off at the next station and waited for a later train.
itt Super Cub solves sexual harrassment
― Princess BigSam (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 12 December 2010 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah I'd have no qualms beating the shit out of anyone who's called me (or anyone) a faggot, sorry.
― which ear is the queer ear (corey), Sunday, 12 December 2010 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Wow, I guess I'm just conflict averse. The last thing I would want to do with a big bully in a public place is get into a confrontation. It's not like you're going to convince him of his bad ways. In my mind, there is no way to change people or even "society." I would like to live in a world with less conflict, so I try my best to avoid promoting conflict. I would prefer running away than spitting in someone's face, but I guess that's a personal decision.
― Super Cub, Sunday, 12 December 2010 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
To clarify, I fundamentally believe that violence is totally unacceptable, but I can't make someone less violent by attacking them.
― Super Cub, Sunday, 12 December 2010 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
i think there's a fairly wide manoeuvring space btwn moving carriages and spitting in someone's face as you leave, could be just me
― chortlin acoleuthic (darraghmac), Sunday, 12 December 2010 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link
good for you xp
― I love you girls but that music is for radical faeries (Matt P), Sunday, 12 December 2010 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
If Im alone, I wouldnt do anything. And personally I would probably duck my head & leave asap. BUT if you can pull off what Suzy did, like Suzy did, then fucking hats off. Because that kind of humiliation/bullying *deserves* retaliation with extreme prejudice
― Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Sunday, 12 December 2010 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link
oh and fwiw you can't move carriages on the (London) tube until the next stop
― Princess BigSam (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 12 December 2010 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
― chortlin acoleuthic (darraghmac), Sunday, December 12, 2010 8:22 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark
I totally agree. I am assuming that the situation had escalated beyond more measured responses.
― Super Cub, Sunday, 12 December 2010 20:34 (thirteen years ago) link
― I love you girls but that music is for radical faeries (Matt P), Sunday, December 12, 2010 8:23 PM (11 minutes ago)
I'm glad you approve.
― Super Cub, Sunday, 12 December 2010 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
and FWIW, I readily admit that my position on this issue is a form of cowardice.
― Super Cub, Sunday, 12 December 2010 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
vigilante buttstice
― Princess TamTam, Sunday, 12 December 2010 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
itt: frontin'
― salvia divanorum (nakhchivan), Sunday, 12 December 2010 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link
once... i... killed a man
― max, Sunday, 12 December 2010 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link
if you can pull off what Suzy did, like Suzy did, then fucking hats off. Because that kind of humiliation/bullying *deserves* retaliation with extreme prejudice
― Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Sunday, December 12, 2010 8:25 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
YES. no one should be expected to lie down and take that shit. running away may be sensible but i would always, always want to retaliate. brava suzy.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Sunday, 12 December 2010 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link
vigilant e-justice
― salvia divanorum (nakhchivan), Sunday, 12 December 2010 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link
wd anyone care to advance a justification for akshul vigilanteism, as opposed to self defence?
― salvia divanorum (nakhchivan), Sunday, 12 December 2010 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link
swayed while rescreening the complete ouvre of michael winner.
― À la recherche du temps Pardew (jim in glasgow), Sunday, 12 December 2010 20:45 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuKeUAavpnU
― which ear is the queer ear (corey), Sunday, 12 December 2010 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean vigilanteism inna paulsgrove stylee scarcely even offers pre-emptive self defence as justification, it's more about h8 h8 h8 (in that instance h8in paedos)
― salvia divanorum (nakhchivan), Sunday, 12 December 2010 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't blame suzy for what she did, but this description:
I spat a massive and truly special lung cookie into his face, tripped him onto the carriage floor, and swung myself out of the carriage using the overhead bar as the doors closed on our attacker.
made me think of that scene from The Lost World where the lil girl uses gymnastics to beat up a velociraptor
― Princess TamTam, Sunday, 12 December 2010 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link
loool me too!
― which ear is the queer ear (corey), Sunday, 12 December 2010 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link
you're not suggesting that suzy's unconscious mind perhaps......embellished that tale via stuff from old movies and sublimated phantasy?
― salvia divanorum (nakhchivan), Sunday, 12 December 2010 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm actually not suggesting that! That's you, suggesting a thing.
― Princess TamTam, Sunday, 12 December 2010 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link
And me, suggesting a ban~
― Princess TamTam, Sunday, 12 December 2010 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link
irish u tard
― salvia divanorum (nakhchivan), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link
u_u
― which ear is the queer ear (corey), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link
corey lj owes u one
― chortlin acoleuthic (darraghmac), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link
now keep needlin him, see what we can get outta him while he's drunk and feisty
― chortlin acoleuthic (darraghmac), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:12 (thirteen years ago) link
gtfo w/ yr fat anglo saxon fuckbuddies
― salvia divanorum (nakhchivan), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:12 (thirteen years ago) link
dmac siding with the black and tans
srsly am i to be the defender of eire and all that is holy ;_;
― salvia divanorum (nakhchivan), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link
p sure that lady is pregnant, but enjoy all the sb's i'm p sure you're garnering itt mayne
― chortlin acoleuthic (darraghmac), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link
enjoy yr pieces of silver
― salvia divanorum (nakhchivan), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link
football derail: warranted vigilantism
― Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link
was it for this the wild geese flew
― chortlin acoleuthic (darraghmac), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link
u r the rev paisley to my tragic parnell
― salvia divanorum (nakhchivan), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link
i loved too much and was sold down the river
while u were happy to take the queen's shilling ;_;
― salvia divanorum (nakhchivan), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:17 (thirteen years ago) link
tbf i'm redmond to yr parnell, you've gone overboard and i'll be there for the cause in a quieter, more dignified way
― chortlin acoleuthic (darraghmac), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link
^LOL.
I've told the story on ILX in the past; logistically the guy gave me a perfect opportunity to kick his legs out from under him. I could never have done what I did if I hadn't known a) roughly how long the doors stay open at stops b) that our door opened onto the exit so I could send my friend there to watch and wait c) dude was drunk enough to be somewhat movement-impaired though he had no probs shooting off his mouth and d) I've always been small so my uncle the cop taught me self-defense tricks no bully ever expects smaller people will use (when I was 12, I got chased by a pervert in a car while on my bike, having fled the strip-mall where dude had asked me if I wanted to see his cock, hence the special cop ninja lessons).
This started because a guy could not handle two teeny-tiny women asking him politely not to step on them. He launched into a tirade where we were called bitches, sluts, virgins, lesbians, and ugly in rapid succession - I guess he just couldn't make up his mind what we were - while an entire carriage looked on and said NOTHING. He also kept stepping on and nudging us - and my friend was barely five feet tall. I would've been mortified if I hadn't been so angry but it was the kind of anger that goes cold and silent while it plots a bully's imminent downfall. I wanted him to be on his ass on the bottom of the carriage while onlookers laughed and that's exactly where he wound up... having to ride all the way home with them.
I am firmly of the belief that if I am minding my own business in a public place (or indeed in a packed Tube carriage) it's the person misbehaving who should leave me alone or move.
― Exotic Flavors of the Midwest, available in corn, bacon, or beef (suzy), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:21 (thirteen years ago) link
srsly everyone will congratulate u but i dunno how wise that is
last time some remedial moron flashed v signs at me after cutting ahead of car behind (us in a nice car, he in lol customised nova or some piece of shit), i made a graphic suggestion as to what wd happen to him gaol
so psycho leaves car runnning at lights and gets out ranting incoherenlty as we drive off
generally i think it's best to be chill and just gtfo without provoking the mentally impaired
― salvia divanorum (nakhchivan), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:29 (thirteen years ago) link
/in/ gaol
― salvia divanorum (nakhchivan), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link
fuk u our bright yellow vauxhall nova 1.2 sr lasted like 20 years and was the best car
― schlomo replay (acoleuthic), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link
someone in thamesmead has added a fuckoff bassbin and halogen lights to yr beloved and is seducing a fourteen year old romanian girl in it as u type
― salvia divanorum (nakhchivan), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:32 (thirteen years ago) link
suzy's story is pretty kickass I gotta say - and not a moment too soon, air was turning green
oh lol
― schlomo replay (acoleuthic), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
in reality, having survived flood and field my mum ended up writing the damn thing off. that thing shd have been pushed out to sea on a burning boat, ended up rusting in a scrapyard ;_;
― schlomo replay (acoleuthic), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
also a distant cousin of mine in lon guylind got badly assaulted when she stopped some degenerate piece of shit stealing a car ;_;
― salvia divanorum (nakhchivan), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:35 (thirteen years ago) link
so i have a carte blanche nonaggression policy wrt property crimes; let the morons damage/take what they will, if it's worth anything it's insured, remember any salient details for the police...
― salvia divanorum (nakhchivan), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm not a big fan of it IRL but I absolutely love revenge fantasy movies. The Death Wish series, Rolling Thunder, Shooter, Harry Brown... they are really satisfying to me for some reason.
― Without warning, a wizard walks by. (Viceroy), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:37 (thirteen years ago) link
harry brown was absorbing hyperviolent youthhating schlock that was utterly ruined by the last 5 'redemptive' minutes
― schlomo replay (acoleuthic), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:38 (thirteen years ago) link
the youth, themselves forgiven everything, forgive age nothing, and therefore are well overdue a fackin shivving
― chortlin acoleuthic (darraghmac), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I like to deal w/public conflicts by leaving while flipping the bird over my shoulder and not looking back. It's the not looking back part that really enrages people. It works a treat & is so cathartic, plus no one has ever been hurt by being flipped off.
― Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link
^ more this meself
― chortlin acoleuthic (darraghmac), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link
vigilanteism is like going out looking for thugs and beating them up preemptively, or 'fighting crime'
most of y'all are talking about self-defense. anyway, i have never really retaliated in any meaningful way, being a ~peaceful man~, but i used to dream about carrying broken sparkplugs in my pocket in case i got fucked with by a car while working as a messenger.
xp abbott otm
― kanellos (gbx), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link
nope. It was a great movie. All of it. You're wrong.
― Without warning, a wizard walks by. (Viceroy), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link
A man can be an artist... in anything, food, whatever. It depends on how good he is at it. Creasey's art is death. He's about to paint his masterpiece.
― kanellos (gbx), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link
lol
― Princess TamTam, Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link
haha my favourite one was when I was on a crosscountry train to Bristol and I was walking down the central aisle and I brushed past someone quite heavily - nothing not instantly forgettable - and dude turned on me angrily. I listened to him raving at me and then said, very calmly, something along the lines of "leave me alone and calm down you aggressive ****" at which point he would have genuinely tried to beat me to a pulp if his partner hadn't restrained him. "WHAT DID YOU SAY? WHAT DID YOU SAYYY"
itt irl sbs
n.b. I never resolve anything w/ violence but can understand those who do/have to
aw viceroy, that movie shd totally end with the final apocalyptic tableau in the pub
― schlomo replay (acoleuthic), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link
you were in the wrong imo
― chortlin acoleuthic (darraghmac), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:52 (thirteen years ago) link
i can tell from yr 25 word summary u know
blessed are the peacemakers yall
― kanellos (gbx), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.nicolesgunsales.com/productpictures/Web%20Page%20Picture%201873%20Peacemaker%20380%20Cal.%20Blank%20Firing%20Pistol.jpg
indeed!
― Without warning, a wizard walks by. (Viceroy), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:57 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah generally i think it's wise to go thru adult life without getting into violent confrontation with strangers
― salvia divanorum (nakhchivan), Sunday, 12 December 2010 22:58 (thirteen years ago) link
...esp. if you are in the US, where one or both persons may end up pulling out a gun.
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Sunday, 12 December 2010 23:55 (thirteen years ago) link
NB: Viceroy's pic appears to include these immortal words, GUN TOYS BRL(??)
― Aimless, Monday, 13 December 2010 03:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Would love to see Next Media Taiwan's cgi version of Suzy vs. Subway jackass.
― Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Monday, 13 December 2010 04:56 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/8197617/German-man-castrates-teenage-daughters-57-year-old-boyfriend.html
― Fetchboy, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 12:06 (thirteen years ago) link
When was the last time anyone saw the Guardian Angels on the London tube? When I first moved down here in the early 90's they were all over the place.
― Pottery Owls (MaresNest), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 12:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Horrible realisation - I might be old and boring and never travel at a time of day wherein I might need some protection.
― Pottery Owls (MaresNest), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 12:41 (thirteen years ago) link
I used to see them in the French Quarter in New Orleans fairly often after Katrina. We tried to talk them into drinking with us a few times but they were bores.
― Fetchboy, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 12:48 (thirteen years ago) link
ninja justice!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-14689055
― Summer Slam! (Ste), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 11:42 (twelve years ago) link
Victims are scum but kinda disgusted at people cheering on this extrajudicial killing
https://www.wftv.com/news/trending/inmate-confesses-beating-two-convicted-child-molesters-death-after-warning-prison-officials-he-would/3QE2VYDRHRE5PGSMRMKO3OENTM/
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 22 February 2020 01:58 (four years ago) link
An overwhelming percentage of prisoners began life in truly horrible conditions, with a majority of them suffering though some form of child abuse during their formative years*. This is completely unsurprising and I'm not mourning those people's deaths.
*: https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/fs000204.pdf
― We Live as We Dee, Alone (deethelurker), Saturday, 22 February 2020 19:19 (four years ago) link
Don't need to mourn anybody's deaths, but openly cheering extrajudicial murder as 'punishment' is grotesque. Not that you were, of course...but a few people I know IRL are.
It's one incident but these kinds of actions belong to the family as death squads.
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 22 February 2020 21:13 (four years ago) link
*same family
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 22 February 2020 21:14 (four years ago) link