the only thing causes me to defer are my attitudes towards the responsibilities that attend power imbalances.
erg, subject verb. make that: "the only thing that causes me to defer is my personal conception of the ethical responsibilities that attend power imbalances"
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
xp - agreed
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
as a rule of thumb, allowing for situational variances...
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
The nearly complete silence on the question of Swedish culture -- which is a real thing, and Linde as an African Swede knew he was pushing particularly Swedish non-confrontational mores and the very Swedish thing of laughing and joking your way out of ugly and embarrassing situations -- is pretty striking. European racism works in very different ways -- often more bizarrely complex ways -- than American racism, and Americans commenters on this scene who reduce it to "white people laughing at black pain" are misreading it. The reality may be just as ugly, but it's a different ugly picture than that one.
― Three Word Username, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:39 (twelve years ago) link
"I think the point made by that Tumblr is more that it was an appropriation of an experience that wasn't his and presented in a manner almost guaranteed to be offensive and misunderstood, showing a profound lack of empathy for the issues meant to be addressed by the piece in the first place."
#cake2012
― catbus otm (gbx), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
TWU, I don't even know how to google this Swedish non-confrontational culture. Can you either describe it more or pass on a few links?
This is all I could find, and I have no idea what it means except that Swedes are… shy?
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YURgTndk4hg/T0QzUZcfL0I/AAAAAAAAAEw/PUf6kifq5Sg/s1600/Swedish+Bus+Stop+Joke.jpg
― pplains, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:51 (twelve years ago) link
It's a little impossible to talk about without quickly getting into exaggeration and stereotyping (see how this works?) but it's a sort of extreme distaste for getting into other people's lives and business. If what you do bugs me, I will avoid you forever before I call you out on it.
― Three Word Username, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
USA: slavery abolished 1865Sweden: slavery first outlawed in 1335
Of course, Sweden has close to zero percent minorities, yeah there's that.
As far as moral high ground goes, Sweden is pretty good about gender equality, invests heavily in the arts (even to a tasteless excess), and hasn't been in a military conflict in two hundred years. The US on the other hand fails to support art in favor of Money and Military culture. The US is the world's number one supplier of weapons, treasure, and political power to the dictators that allow FGM.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
OTM on the culture differences. Being totally overlooked here.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think we need to kick the US to note that Sweden is not like the States and that exploring context and using circumspection are always a good way to go.
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=swedish+culture+non-confrontation
― Three Word Username, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:01 (twelve years ago) link
I have a great degree of skepticism about the malice of the ppl involved.
Has anyone read the TNC piece about the American right not understanding racism in the US as anything more than a means to trip up your opponents? It speaks to a part of the left, too, imho, and if you think this ought to be a learning experince for the Swedish, for that museum and the Culture Minister, that's fine. It may a good opportunity to learn something about Swedes, for some ppl, too.
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
Listen, Three-Word. Don't talk down to me like I'm from Finland.
― pplains, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:09 (twelve years ago) link
Man that reminds me of the Swedish doctor in 'The Kingdom' who cannot quite contain his withering contempt for the Danes.
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
Just teasing. I'm not Swedish, so I can.
― Three Word Username, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:14 (twelve years ago) link
michael white OTM @ 3:05 pm PST
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
Good enough for a Fin, too damn good for a Swede.
― HE HATES THESE CANS (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 23:26 (twelve years ago) link
Oh, man. This isn't where Minnesota Nice got watered down from, is it?
― pplains, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 23:57 (twelve years ago) link
*lowers blinds*
― catbus otm (gbx), Thursday, 19 April 2012 02:03 (twelve years ago) link
The US is the world's number one supplier of weapons, treasure, and political power to the dictators that allow FGM.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), den 18 april 2012 23:58 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
sweden is actually the world's number one supplier of weapons, if you count per capita. and constantly sell surveillance equipment and weapons to dictators, through government owned companies.
― sonderangerbot, Thursday, 19 April 2012 12:40 (twelve years ago) link
Why would you count per capita?
― an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Thursday, 19 April 2012 12:42 (twelve years ago) link
every Swede spends a few hours a day constructing and exporting weapons.
― lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Thursday, 19 April 2012 13:12 (twelve years ago) link
In between bites of cake, I suppose
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Thursday, 19 April 2012 14:02 (twelve years ago) link
Per capita's worth noting given that Sweden has about 9m people and the only countries who export more arms have at least seven times that.
― Une semaine de Bunty (ShariVari), Thursday, 19 April 2012 14:14 (twelve years ago) link
Hmmm....did not know that. Per capita, of course.
Fwiw Sweden was the 1st country to legislate against FGM.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
1st Western country
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
I still am not really seeing how the country's population correlates at all with its capacity/desire to produce weapons, or why that's an interesting statistic beyond "here is a list where Sweden comes first", unless you are looking at weapon manufacture in comparison with Sweden's other industries
― I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Thursday, 19 April 2012 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
bomb sweden
― mh, Thursday, 19 April 2012 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
t's a sort of extreme distaste for getting into other people's lives and business. If what you do bugs me, I will avoid you forever before I call you out on it.
File under "things I have spent my adult life un-learning."
― how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Thursday, 19 April 2012 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.defencetalk.com/swedish-weapons-exports-on-the-rise-24690/
article on this from 2010. it doesn't say anything about sales relative to other countries tho.
― goole, Thursday, 19 April 2012 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
Sweden's sixth in the world overall, after the US, Russia, France, China and the UK - all countries with traditionally much larger manufacturing industries and domestic armies.
― Une semaine de Bunty (ShariVari), Thursday, 19 April 2012 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
at least in 2010, 80% of their exports went to the rest of europe. the bomb-basket of europe! like the danes and butter
― goole, Thursday, 19 April 2012 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
I am not saying gross production isn't a useful or informative statistic; I am questioning the relevance/usefulness of per capita production in comparison with other countries.
― I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Thursday, 19 April 2012 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
That's really wild, i had no idea about that stuff.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 19 April 2012 19:42 (twelve years ago) link
Sweden = Saab Aerospace = fighter jet exports
― i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 April 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
bizarre thread where i inevitably find contenderizer's stances weasel-y & defensive
― man down (D-40), Friday, 20 April 2012 06:07 (twelve years ago) link
it may be that we're just not all that well suited to one another
http://sarahburningham.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Heartbreak_Cookie.jpg
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Friday, 20 April 2012 06:21 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.hayibo.com/africans-shocked-by-uncivilized-antics-of-european-savages/
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Friday, 20 April 2012 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
is that like a European version of the Onion or something?
― when will Jesus bring the composition chops? (loves laboured breathing), Saturday, 21 April 2012 15:49 (twelve years ago) link
It has a separate category (alongside Arts & Entertainment / Sport / Politics) for Julius Malema - I'm guessing not.
― Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 21 April 2012 15:56 (twelve years ago) link
Oh ok I did not pay attention too much to any of the details
― when will Jesus bring the composition chops? (loves laboured breathing), Saturday, 21 April 2012 16:49 (twelve years ago) link
/the only thing causes me to defer are my attitudes towards the responsibilities that attend power imbalances./erg, subject verb. make that: "the only thing that causes me to defer is my personal conception of the ethical responsibilities that attend power imbalances" --yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer)
erg, subject verb. make that: "the only thing that causes me to defer is my personal conception of the ethical responsibilities that attend power imbalances" --yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer)
This is a pretty impressive way of saying "I tend to respect the experience of the offended party."
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 21 April 2012 23:55 (twelve years ago) link
i knew i must have meant something
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Sunday, 22 April 2012 00:08 (twelve years ago) link
haha
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 22 April 2012 08:45 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOI2GGY1SeE
Sort of feel bad for this guy
― i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Monday, 23 April 2012 12:35 (twelve years ago) link
I would love to believe that this was just a case of neighbors being suspicious of people in an empty house, but I know it wasn't.
The Newton County Sheriff’s Office is investigating why a couple was confronted at gunpoint by neighbors and then arrested and forced to spend the night in jail when they tried to move into the home they had just purchased, Channel 2 Action News reported.The Kalonji family had just closed on a foreclosed home and were told by their real estate agent they should go over to the house and change the locks.But when Jean Kalonji and his wife, Angelica, started working at the home, an armed man and another person who appeared to be the man’s son allegedly confronted them.“He say to put the hands up and get out from the house, otherwise he would shoot us,” the husband told Channel 2.The neighbors didn’t believe the couple when they told them they had bought the home and called the Newton County Sheriff’s Office. The Kalonjis didn’t have the closing papers with them, so deputies arrested them, charged them with loitering and prowling and took them to jail.Yvette Harris, the couple’s real estate agent, said they never should have been arrested.“They rightfully own this house,” Harris said.Kalonji, who grew up in the Congo, said the experience brought back painful memories.“There, they put me down with the gun to my head, and come here, the same,” he said.Mark Mitchell, spokesman for the Newton Sheriff’s Office, said authorities are “looking into it, exactly what occurred, why it occurred.”A person at the neighbors’ house said no one wanted to talk to Channel 2 about the incident.
The Kalonji family had just closed on a foreclosed home and were told by their real estate agent they should go over to the house and change the locks.
But when Jean Kalonji and his wife, Angelica, started working at the home, an armed man and another person who appeared to be the man’s son allegedly confronted them.
“He say to put the hands up and get out from the house, otherwise he would shoot us,” the husband told Channel 2.
The neighbors didn’t believe the couple when they told them they had bought the home and called the Newton County Sheriff’s Office. The Kalonjis didn’t have the closing papers with them, so deputies arrested them, charged them with loitering and prowling and took them to jail.
Yvette Harris, the couple’s real estate agent, said they never should have been arrested.
“They rightfully own this house,” Harris said.
Kalonji, who grew up in the Congo, said the experience brought back painful memories.
“There, they put me down with the gun to my head, and come here, the same,” he said.
Mark Mitchell, spokesman for the Newton Sheriff’s Office, said authorities are “looking into it, exactly what occurred, why it occurred.”
A person at the neighbors’ house said no one wanted to talk to Channel 2 about the incident.
― i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Monday, 23 April 2012 13:54 (twelve years ago) link
in before 50 commenters explaining that the Kalonjis shouldn't have been acting suspicious
― i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Monday, 23 April 2012 14:04 (twelve years ago) link
You know, all these gun-happy freedom nuts could pick on some actual bad guys from time to time, instead of poor minorities just trying to get through life. Why don't we ever hear about this happening to some asshole CEO?
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:24 (twelve years ago) link
i think there's a chappelle show sketch about that
― Mordy, Monday, 23 April 2012 15:25 (twelve years ago) link
It's crazy how gun usage tends to slide from protection of self to protection of property to protection of property that you don't even have a personal interest in. Hey, someone is doing something mildly suspicious to a FORECLOSED FUCKING HOUSE. Should I call the police? No, I'll just go over there and force them to the ground with my gun.
― i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:34 (twelve years ago) link