rolling "Is This Racist?" thread

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Thought we should have a thread that's a catch-all for any and all conversations that start like this, since we seem to have like five or six threads for it.

I'll go first:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPBbMbKSZrQ

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

I dunno if its racist but its certainly unlistenable crap

Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

Oh dude, I always wonder about this one: "White Girl" by X. what the fuck is up with that? Has John Doe ever addressed it?

kkvgz, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

also, this thread is not just for songs, but commercials, movies, tv shows, jpegs, assorted anything.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

Oh word, noticed this is on I Love Everything.

kkvgz, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah I mean where the fuck is I Love Racism already

cambyrdsclosetvacuumsounds4fun (acoleuthic), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

Oh dude, I always wonder about this one: "White Girl" by X. what the fuck is up with that? Has John Doe ever addressed it?

what do you think is racist about this song...?

Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

Why's he talking about white girls?

kkvgz, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

for reference:

She's blonde,
She's blonde,
Comes along the sidewalk.

She's Blonde,
Leave a trail of blue and black,
Up to you fighting back.

She's Blonde,
Steel chains,
A noose of charms on our necks.

I find out nothing when we talk and sit,
Blue heart passion and watch the set.

Easy to fall, when part of your skull starts to break away,
Cheaters walk, down the block behind this evil street.

She's a white girl well I'm living with a white girl,
She's a white girl well I'm living with a white girl-

Nineteen,
Nineteen.. losing her man to an old girl.

Nineteen,
Drain every beer left over at home,
and listen to ghosts in the other room.

I Can't!
Why not? You're alone inside his keeping.

Oh I'll replace your drunk old man,
Sit in the parking lot and hold your hand.

Easy to fall, when part of your skull starts to break away...
Drugged and in love out at a club pulling me outside.

She's a white girl, well I'm living with a white girl,
She's a white girl, well I'm living with a white girl-

Easy to fall, when part of your skull starts to break away...
drugged and in love out at a club pulling me outside.

She's a white girl well I'm living with a white girl,
She's a white girl well I'm living with a white girl

having just finished re-reading We Got the Neutron Bomb my guess is this song is about the young lady that Exene moved out to California with, who was by all accounts something of a bitch who would pull white-supremacist provacateur type stuff to get a rise out of people.

Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

blanking on her name at the moment.

Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:20 (eight years ago) Permalink

Not racist. Someone else could make the argument for exploitative, but it's a stretch to say that the Kings of Leon have any hatred or intolerance toward black people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aENX1Sf3fgQ

Now apologize for making me watch a Kings of Leon video for two minutes.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:20 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I guess exploitative and colonialist (is that the right word?) more than captial-R RACIST, but still like; who does a video treatment that;'s like "OK, you're hugging black kids for four minutes"

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

i think it's hard to call a music video 'exploitative' -- what are they exploiting these kids for? no one watches music videos. they have no impact, unless you're lady gaga

colonialist maybe, but remember that KOL are the most popular band in europe

J0rdan S., Monday, 20 September 2010 19:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

racist, clearly not

J0rdan S., Monday, 20 September 2010 19:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

would've preferred video featuring band being murdered by black kids

Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

It reminded me of a generic John Cougar Mellencamp video. Had they been white kids, it would've looked like 70% of the videos on CMT.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

Still waiting for an apology.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I guess exploitative and colonialist (is that the right word?) more than captial-R RACIST, but still like; who does a video treatment that;'s like "OK, you're hugging black kids for four minutes"

obv the answer is "the dude who directed the new Kings of Leon video, whose name somehow has not yet made it to the bits of the Internet you can hit within 5 minutes of using Google"

(that more than anything else is making me lol, like whoever this was basically went "I'll do this for you and it will be awesome! I don't want any credit tho" *waits for shitstorm*)

juggalo iglesias (HI DERE), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

carles is slippin -- passion pit already did the "hire a choir of underprivileged minority youths" thing

J0rdan S., Monday, 20 September 2010 19:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

he's not even listed on the mtv site, which is usually v good about putting directors up in there

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

gonna lol if it was Hype Williams

juggalo iglesias (HI DERE), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

the video and song are both unmentionably terrible w/ stupid and retrograde notions about race but i don't think they are simply ~racist~

Chinedu "Edu" Obasi Ogbuke (nakhchivan), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

Sophie Muller directed it.

Kerm, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

more offensive for not being funny

bnw, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 01:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

that was a fake

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

but it was racist because someone realized that they could spell "nigger" by a video game and they set up a soccer video game and took a photo of it and sent it all over the internet

so yes, racist

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

this isn't a thread for lol racism, fyi. keep that shit to "encyclopedia of racist products" or, like, 4chan

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

strictly concern trolling in here.

Kerm, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

I figured it was some soccer thing. Wouldn't have been surprised if it had been real.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

take it to i love footy

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 04:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

love the gawker update where they act like they understood the joke from the beginning

jeff, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:30 (eight years ago) Permalink

barf

http://i55.tinypic.com/25oxf7k.png

maybe LJ is right about ilx being the smartest message board

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

http://hipsterhitler.com/

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

gawker isnt a message board

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

ilx is my favorite blog

markers, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:44 (eight years ago) Permalink

MIXMASTER
RACE

EASTSIDE
WESTSIDE
GENOCIDE

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

is anti-semitism racist or not, because this guy at the bar I frequent is convinced that Birth Of A Nation was produced by Jews & that the Jews control the media etc etc

I know it sucks either way just wanted 2 know ur opinions

4 my muthafuckin mods (crüt), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 06:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

Of course anti-semitism is racism. It's just that racism against Jews has acquired a term of its own, probably because discriminating them has been so prominent historically.

Where it gets tricky is when anti-Israel or anti-Zionist statements are equated with anti-semitism; of course some anti-Israel/anti-Zionist people are also anti-semitists/racists, but many of them aren't. But your case is pretty obviously racist because the target is Jews as a whole, not Israeli politics or anything.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 06:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

are the finns a race?

mookieproof, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 06:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

Ca. 300 Finnish Jews fought in the War alongside the German Army[3][4]. The field synagogue operated by the Finnish army was probably a unique phenomenon in Europe.

Guess they didn't have Google then either.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

take it to i love footy

― p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3),

jesus way to zing an entire bord of innocents wtf

i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

Subtle "Americans don't like soocer and aren't racist" undertones there

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:04 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah really i'm getting some prety bad vibes offa this zorn character. bet he's norwegian/icelandic thor worshipper

i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

zorn smash

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 15:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

is this chorus racist?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4s6H4ku6ZY&ob=av3n

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 18:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

?

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

http://dasracist.net/

am0n, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

Too many innocent Americans have fallen victim to the unthinkable violence of MS-13’s animals.

Oh ferchrissakes! What about dozens of innocent victims who are wedding guests in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and other places, who keep getting violently blown to bits by the heinous animals at the US Department of Defense, who use drone-fired missiles to kill, maim and spread terror?

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 21 May 2018 18:29 (six months ago) Permalink

That's a White House statement? Sadly it's far too late to say, good luck, USA.

Poisoned by Johan's pea soup. (Tom D.), Monday, 21 May 2018 18:35 (six months ago) Permalink

Made me go wtf. It'd been a while.

pomenitul, Monday, 21 May 2018 18:37 (six months ago) Permalink

Oh ferchrissakes! What about dozens of innocent victims who are wedding guests in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and other places, who keep getting violently blown to bits by the heinous animals at the US Department of Defense, who use drone-fired missiles to kill, maim and spread terror?

well, those folks are brown

the folks in ms-13 are brown

you can probably join the dots yrself from there

i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 21 May 2018 18:52 (six months ago) Permalink

calling 'some people' "animals" is fine. but don't you dare call real americans "deplorable"!

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 21 May 2018 19:16 (six months ago) Permalink

good job whitehouse now do one for "shithole" countries

frogbs, Monday, 21 May 2018 19:21 (six months ago) Permalink

NEW: mugshot of the man accused of walking into Boulevard Mall with a fake gun. Emile Daren Hobson has been charged with committing an act of terrorism. @FOX5Vegas pic.twitter.com/QG30Crnw4i

— Tiana Bohner (@FOX5_Tiana) May 18, 2018

wow bad news for the white girl who was walking around Kent State with a rifle

frogbs, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 15:55 (six months ago) Permalink

utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=blasts&utm_content=national

facebook.com social campaign blasts national - probably racist

we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 16:29 (six months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

the barrier is Barack Obama, who radicalized the party with his pessimism, who reminded us of past sins, who told Americans they should feel ashamed of themselves

https://nypost.com/2018/07/09/its-not-bernie-whos-holding-the-democrats-back-its-obama/

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 17:32 (five months ago) Permalink

and then fulfilled by Trump, who has radicalized our pessimism, committed himself to past sins, and made Americans feel ashamed of ourselves

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 17:37 (five months ago) Permalink

BAD OPTICS

https://secondnexus.com/news/trump-administration-not-assist-obama/

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 21 July 2018 13:46 (four months ago) Permalink

I keep getting called "bro", "broski", or some other variation of the term, by black guys. It feels like I'm being made fun of for being a generic white doucher. Which tbh is how I present but anyway. I'm getting through it.

rip van wanko, Friday, 3 August 2018 16:36 (four months ago) Permalink

sounds like a scene from Blindspotting

Nhex, Friday, 3 August 2018 16:50 (four months ago) Permalink

i think you are overreacting

i wouldn't worry until you get called 'brian scalabrine'

mookieproof, Friday, 3 August 2018 16:50 (four months ago) Permalink

I keep getting called "bro", "broski", or some other variation of the term

Are you Polish?

pplains, Friday, 3 August 2018 17:05 (four months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Does “spook” have several meanings or nah? Bc I use “spook” the way we might refer to our resident ILX user’s profession but also I have heard it used against POC so help me out here. Is it one of those things where we need to phase it out bc it’s too close for comfort or is it context specific thank you

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 6 September 2018 04:35 (three months ago) Permalink

You can’t go wrong not using words that can be confused for being kinda racist even if they aren’t necessarily so.

faculty w1fe (silby), Thursday, 6 September 2018 04:41 (three months ago) Permalink

The Human Stain to thread

the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Thursday, 6 September 2018 04:51 (three months ago) Permalink

right obv but also I’m just asking more broadly

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 6 September 2018 04:52 (three months ago) Permalink

I think it’s context specific but also understand why the BBC renamed the show to “MI5” when they brought it over here

Paleo Weltschmerz (El Tomboto), Thursday, 6 September 2018 04:54 (three months ago) Permalink

A spy is sometimes called a spook because their profession requires them to adopt a certain invisibility. Black people have been called spooks because, supposedly, being black makes them invisible in the dark and this was considered a humorous idea by racists. No black person should be called a spook under any circumstances, but one can usually pick out the intended idea easily enough from the context.

This seems a bit like the controversy over using the word niggardly to describe a cheapskate.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 6 September 2018 04:55 (three months ago) Permalink

I think it can be useful in describing a spy working within a specific context... but you want to be sure it can't be confused with the epithet which is dated but still offensive xxp

strong deutan (rip van wanko), Thursday, 6 September 2018 04:57 (three months ago) Permalink

Also I am tempering two pop culture references,

One is back to the future which is obv derogatory and,

A Bloom County cartoon where Steve Dallas is dancing like Michael Jackson and he’s internally monologue-ing about whether he’s working for the feds or not

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 6 September 2018 04:57 (three months ago) Permalink

Niggardly is so obviously antiquated and trolly that is should be retired.

Also sort of related I did a deep dive on “shyster” and it’s historically more about “sheiesse” but it’s veering so close to “Shylock” that it falls in the same not-ok place

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 6 September 2018 05:00 (three months ago) Permalink

Anyway thank u all for this frank and honest discussion

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 6 September 2018 05:00 (three months ago) Permalink

There are so many racist epithets that I've never heard of and only learned about in mid-adulthood. Cf someone I'm normally friendly with unselfconsciously using the word "Shylock" in a phone convo while I was standing right there.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Thursday, 6 September 2018 12:47 (three months ago) Permalink

I'd been thinking that it might not be a bad idea to have a thread for words whose racist/xenophobic origins you were not previously aware (cue the story about that one time when I was a kid and had the misfortune of learning what a particular Devo song title meant only after I'd walked through a room singing it while my mom's friend (whose son has Down Syndrome) was visiting).

Digital Squirts (Old Lunch), Thursday, 6 September 2018 12:55 (three months ago) Permalink

No I think that's probably not a good idea.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Thursday, 6 September 2018 13:04 (three months ago) Permalink

I predict the existence of the thread would prompt a lot of posts that will basically be micro-/aggressions to readers. I regret my anecdotal post above already, because I felt really shocked and bad when it happened and it wasn't even about me. I don't want that experience to continue to hurt others on the internet.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Thursday, 6 September 2018 13:09 (three months ago) Permalink

Hmm. I'm just thinking about that thing where hateful speech is so seamlessly absorbed into our culture and seemingly defanged with time and distance that it becomes very easy to thoughtlessly use words and phrases that seem completely innocuous but which have sinister origins. Like I only just learned about 'peanut gallery'.

Digital Squirts (Old Lunch), Thursday, 6 September 2018 13:14 (three months ago) Permalink

What exactly did you just learn?

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 6 September 2018 13:24 (three months ago) Permalink

Originally a derogatory reference to unwanted commentary from African Americans relegated to the cheap seats.

Digital Squirts (Old Lunch), Thursday, 6 September 2018 13:28 (three months ago) Permalink

You should probably go unlearn that.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 6 September 2018 13:37 (three months ago) Permalink

If you have some information to share...

Digital Squirts (Old Lunch), Thursday, 6 September 2018 13:39 (three months ago) Permalink

I'd been thinking that it might not be a bad idea to have a thread for words whose racist/xenophobic origins you were not previously aware (cue the story about that one time when I was a kid and had the misfortune of learning what a particular Devo song title meant only after I'd walked through a room singing it while my mom's friend (whose son has Down Syndrome) was visiting).

just had to look up if "Blockhead" had any meaning I was previously unaware of

frogbs, Thursday, 6 September 2018 13:43 (three months ago) Permalink

xp The cheapest seats in vaudeville theatres (IE the highest) were also the ones that saw the most consumption of peanuts, the cheapest of the snack foods. Which also made them more likely to heckle by throwing them.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 6 September 2018 13:47 (three months ago) Permalink

Right, I get that. But also: who do you imagine the holders of the cheapest seats were during the heyday of vaudeville?

Digital Squirts (Old Lunch), Thursday, 6 September 2018 13:58 (three months ago) Permalink

I imagine that a significant percentage were African American, but I'm not sure that's how this works, unless you're claiming that all class-based insults are inherently racist?

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 6 September 2018 14:03 (three months ago) Permalink

I think the suggestion is that all the theaters were segregated and that a whites-only theater had a peanut gallery too? eg we are aaalllllll classist

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 6 September 2018 14:13 (three months ago) Permalink

i don't know how reputable this site is but it seemed fairly well written and researched (which suggests it's not racial)
http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2015/03/origin-phrase-peanut-gallery/

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 6 September 2018 14:16 (three months ago) Permalink

just had to look up if "Blockhead" had any meaning I was previously unaware of

― frogbs

not a long history of racist insults in charlie brown. "dennis the menace", otoh...

milkshake duck george bernard shaw (rushomancy), Thursday, 6 September 2018 14:16 (three months ago) Permalink

Not only are there untold numbers of racist epithets out there, both current and half-forgotten, but there are also untold numbers of folk etymologies that misidentify the origins of words. So any thread devoted to delving into the racist origins of certain words or phrases is bound to contain about equal amounts of information and misinformation. Let's drop the idea.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 6 September 2018 15:58 (three months ago) Permalink

^ yeah bad folk etymologies are a menace

faculty w1fe (silby), Thursday, 6 September 2018 16:04 (three months ago) Permalink

In lieu of further discussion here, can anyone recommend a book/books on the subject?

Digital Squirts (Old Lunch), Thursday, 6 September 2018 16:50 (three months ago) Permalink

just had to look up if "Blockhead" had any meaning I was previously unaware of

― frogbs

not a long history of racist insults in charlie brown. "dennis the menace", otoh...


Uh peanuts dude it’s right there in the name

coetzee.cx (wins), Thursday, 6 September 2018 16:56 (three months ago) Permalink

spooks and ghosts

pplains, Thursday, 6 September 2018 17:49 (three months ago) Permalink

another questionable one - getting "the itis"

one time i let "niggardly" slip in conversation and felt really bad about it afterwards

Nhex, Thursday, 6 September 2018 20:53 (three months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

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