rolling "Is This Racist?" thread

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Thought we should have a thread that's a catch-all for any and all conversations that start like this, since we seem to have like five or six threads for it.

I'll go first:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPBbMbKSZrQ

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:02 (twelve years ago) link

I dunno if its racist but its certainly unlistenable crap

Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:06 (twelve years ago) link

Oh dude, I always wonder about this one: "White Girl" by X. what the fuck is up with that? Has John Doe ever addressed it?

kkvgz, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:08 (twelve years ago) link

also, this thread is not just for songs, but commercials, movies, tv shows, jpegs, assorted anything.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:10 (twelve years ago) link

Oh word, noticed this is on I Love Everything.

kkvgz, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:10 (twelve years ago) link

yeah I mean where the fuck is I Love Racism already

cambyrdsclosetvacuumsounds4fun (acoleuthic), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:11 (twelve years ago) link

Oh dude, I always wonder about this one: "White Girl" by X. what the fuck is up with that? Has John Doe ever addressed it?

what do you think is racist about this song...?

Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:12 (twelve years ago) link

Why's he talking about white girls?

kkvgz, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:13 (twelve years ago) link

for reference:

She's blonde,
She's blonde,
Comes along the sidewalk.

She's Blonde,
Leave a trail of blue and black,
Up to you fighting back.

She's Blonde,
Steel chains,
A noose of charms on our necks.

I find out nothing when we talk and sit,
Blue heart passion and watch the set.

Easy to fall, when part of your skull starts to break away,
Cheaters walk, down the block behind this evil street.

She's a white girl well I'm living with a white girl,
She's a white girl well I'm living with a white girl-

Nineteen,
Nineteen.. losing her man to an old girl.

Nineteen,
Drain every beer left over at home,
and listen to ghosts in the other room.

I Can't!
Why not? You're alone inside his keeping.

Oh I'll replace your drunk old man,
Sit in the parking lot and hold your hand.

Easy to fall, when part of your skull starts to break away...
Drugged and in love out at a club pulling me outside.

She's a white girl, well I'm living with a white girl,
She's a white girl, well I'm living with a white girl-

Easy to fall, when part of your skull starts to break away...
drugged and in love out at a club pulling me outside.

She's a white girl well I'm living with a white girl,
She's a white girl well I'm living with a white girl

having just finished re-reading We Got the Neutron Bomb my guess is this song is about the young lady that Exene moved out to California with, who was by all accounts something of a bitch who would pull white-supremacist provacateur type stuff to get a rise out of people.

Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:19 (twelve years ago) link

blanking on her name at the moment.

Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:20 (twelve years ago) link

Not racist. Someone else could make the argument for exploitative, but it's a stretch to say that the Kings of Leon have any hatred or intolerance toward black people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aENX1Sf3fgQ

Now apologize for making me watch a Kings of Leon video for two minutes.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:20 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, I guess exploitative and colonialist (is that the right word?) more than captial-R RACIST, but still like; who does a video treatment that;'s like "OK, you're hugging black kids for four minutes"

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:22 (twelve years ago) link

i think it's hard to call a music video 'exploitative' -- what are they exploiting these kids for? no one watches music videos. they have no impact, unless you're lady gaga

colonialist maybe, but remember that KOL are the most popular band in europe

J0rdan S., Monday, 20 September 2010 19:24 (twelve years ago) link

racist, clearly not

J0rdan S., Monday, 20 September 2010 19:24 (twelve years ago) link

would've preferred video featuring band being murdered by black kids

Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:24 (twelve years ago) link

It reminded me of a generic John Cougar Mellencamp video. Had they been white kids, it would've looked like 70% of the videos on CMT.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:26 (twelve years ago) link

Still waiting for an apology.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:27 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, I guess exploitative and colonialist (is that the right word?) more than captial-R RACIST, but still like; who does a video treatment that;'s like "OK, you're hugging black kids for four minutes"

obv the answer is "the dude who directed the new Kings of Leon video, whose name somehow has not yet made it to the bits of the Internet you can hit within 5 minutes of using Google"

(that more than anything else is making me lol, like whoever this was basically went "I'll do this for you and it will be awesome! I don't want any credit tho" *waits for shitstorm*)

juggalo iglesias (HI DERE), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:27 (twelve years ago) link

carles is slippin -- passion pit already did the "hire a choir of underprivileged minority youths" thing

J0rdan S., Monday, 20 September 2010 19:28 (twelve years ago) link

he's not even listed on the mtv site, which is usually v good about putting directors up in there

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:33 (twelve years ago) link

gonna lol if it was Hype Williams

juggalo iglesias (HI DERE), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:41 (twelve years ago) link

the video and song are both unmentionably terrible w/ stupid and retrograde notions about race but i don't think they are simply ~racist~

Chinedu "Edu" Obasi Ogbuke (nakhchivan), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:46 (twelve years ago) link

Sophie Muller directed it.

Kerm, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:56 (twelve years ago) link

more offensive for not being funny

bnw, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 01:54 (twelve years ago) link

that was a fake

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:51 (twelve years ago) link

but it was racist because someone realized that they could spell "nigger" by a video game and they set up a soccer video game and took a photo of it and sent it all over the internet

so yes, racist

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:52 (twelve years ago) link

this isn't a thread for lol racism, fyi. keep that shit to "encyclopedia of racist products" or, like, 4chan

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:55 (twelve years ago) link

strictly concern trolling in here.

Kerm, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:57 (twelve years ago) link

I figured it was some soccer thing. Wouldn't have been surprised if it had been real.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:58 (twelve years ago) link

take it to i love footy

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 04:50 (twelve years ago) link

love the gawker update where they act like they understood the joke from the beginning

jeff, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:30 (twelve years ago) link

barf

http://i55.tinypic.com/25oxf7k.png

maybe LJ is right about ilx being the smartest message board

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:35 (twelve years ago) link

http://hipsterhitler.com/

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:40 (twelve years ago) link

gawker isnt a message board

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:42 (twelve years ago) link

ilx is my favorite blog

markers, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:44 (twelve years ago) link

MIXMASTER
RACE

EASTSIDE
WESTSIDE
GENOCIDE

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:45 (twelve years ago) link

is anti-semitism racist or not, because this guy at the bar I frequent is convinced that Birth Of A Nation was produced by Jews & that the Jews control the media etc etc

I know it sucks either way just wanted 2 know ur opinions

4 my muthafuckin mods (crüt), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 06:02 (twelve years ago) link

Of course anti-semitism is racism. It's just that racism against Jews has acquired a term of its own, probably because discriminating them has been so prominent historically.

Where it gets tricky is when anti-Israel or anti-Zionist statements are equated with anti-semitism; of course some anti-Israel/anti-Zionist people are also anti-semitists/racists, but many of them aren't. But your case is pretty obviously racist because the target is Jews as a whole, not Israeli politics or anything.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 06:56 (twelve years ago) link

are the finns a race?

mookieproof, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 06:59 (twelve years ago) link

Ca. 300 Finnish Jews fought in the War alongside the German Army[3][4]. The field synagogue operated by the Finnish army was probably a unique phenomenon in Europe.

Guess they didn't have Google then either.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:00 (twelve years ago) link

take it to i love footy

― p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3),

jesus way to zing an entire bord of innocents wtf

i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:02 (twelve years ago) link

Subtle "Americans don't like soocer and aren't racist" undertones there

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:04 (twelve years ago) link

yeah really i'm getting some prety bad vibes offa this zorn character. bet he's norwegian/icelandic thor worshipper

i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:05 (twelve years ago) link

zorn smash

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 15:55 (twelve years ago) link

is this chorus racist?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4s6H4ku6ZY&ob=av3n

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 18:57 (twelve years ago) link

?

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:01 (twelve years ago) link

http://dasracist.net/

am0n, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:02 (twelve years ago) link

kudzu discourse in the south has absolutely had racist overtones (or just tones) to it

rob, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 17:08 (eight months ago) link

Yeah, sorry, there being fascist over or undertones to some rhetoric in the environmental movement doesn't mean that invasive species don't exist and aren't totally destructive to native biodiversity.

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 17:17 (eight months ago) link

To me it just seems like a real baby and bathwater moment.

"Oh these fascists are using the language of ecology to spread racist tropes? Might as well not care about the principles of ecology "

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 17:18 (eight months ago) link

To me it just seems like a real baby and bathwater moment.

"Oh these fascists are using the language of ecology to spread racist tropes? Might as well not care about the principles of ecology "


Almost as though I made those exact points! I’m guessing you didn’t bother to click a single link either.

Fascists will seize on anything, and there is evidence that eco fascists are performing exactly the kind of nudge nudge wink wink stuff that map is talking about. It isn’t to say that biodiversity isn’t important, of course it is, but like anything in this cursed world, beware of your fellow travelers who might agree with you on this one issue.

― mardheamac (gyac), Wednesday, March 9, 2022 4:42 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

mardheamac (gyac), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 17:20 (eight months ago) link

I wasn't addressing anything you, just adding my pov? Why do you take everything I write as a personal assault on you? Calm down.

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 17:25 (eight months ago) link

Always a good look, telling a woman to calm down.

mardheamac (gyac), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 17:29 (eight months ago) link

xp
sorry, I may have muddied things even further. I wasn't even talking about the environmental movement, just kudzu discourse in general (the "green plague" the "thug plant"). I do not think the concept of invasive species is inherently racist

rob, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 17:30 (eight months ago) link

map, not sure if you can read this but it may interest you: https://www.jstor.org/stable/26225593

rob, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 17:36 (eight months ago) link

interesting.

i don't know to what extent this is really present in ecologic discourse but i think any time there's a framing of it in terms of "original = good" and "corrupted = bad" it's a weak point. it doesn't mean that some plants aren't too far on the extreme of hogging resources to be desired in a particular environment. but in general i think people should move away from trying to "preserve" and "restore" and acknowledge that stewarding biological diversity is an act of creation that includes human input in important ways.

Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 17:46 (eight months ago) link

i'm not trying to criticize or start a beef or anything, but i'll just note that "stewarding biological diversity is an act of creation that includes human input in important ways" sounds like a slogan for an oil company

the world's undisputed #1 fan of 'Spud Infinity' (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 17:49 (eight months ago) link

i agree, of course, that humans are part of the environment and that the sum of what we do and don't do has an enormous effect on the rest of it

the world's undisputed #1 fan of 'Spud Infinity' (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 17:51 (eight months ago) link

but in general i think people should move away from trying to "preserve" and "restore" and acknowledge that stewarding biological diversity is an act of creation that includes human input in important ways.

And so is fomenting destruction of biodiversity, map. "Just leaving nature be" is sometimes a laudable position when talking about certain environmental issues. For example, I'm pretty firmly against off-shore wind farms, because of the amount of destruction they do to already threatened aquatic habitats. But simply allowing threatening plant species or pests to destroy important parts of North America's biodiversity because some fascist assholes use it as a cover for their fascism is a non-starter for me.

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 18:07 (eight months ago) link

ok

Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 18:23 (eight months ago) link

If the spotted lanternfly makes its way down to my county this summer, I'm picking up one of these fuckers and going to war.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0475/2107/1253/products/BASGuns-OrangeCrush-1689.jpg?v=1634858446

peace, man, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 18:35 (eight months ago) link

i guess i'll just give an example to illustrate what i'm trying to get at. outside of boulder utah there is a small stream that runs off boulder mountain and eventually descends into the rock of the colorado plateau. right before it does, it passes through an area that used to be a cattle ranch. now it is half-ranch and half-rustic tourist resort. the ranch part still does single-crop alfalfa farming, but below that, the resort has modified the water flow in a few ways to create a very beautiful sanctuary for birds, bees, and plants. there are still areas of overgrazed and parched brush here and there, and afaik they do minimal planting or weeding to the grounds beyond a garden with a few crops, but the water motification has transformed the area into a place that is undoubtedly more biodiverse than it was as a cattle ranch, and possibly more biodiverse than it was as a single stream surrounded by pinion/juniper.

i think ecology discourse could use a little less of the american virgin / whore thing and take a more sober, clear-eyed view of the values that we want to instill in the gardens that surround us, possibly including one called "balance."

Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 18:40 (eight months ago) link

I'd simply say that the pinion/juniper and stream from pre-ranching days was garden enough, but your point is taken.

What the rest of us are getting worked up about, obviously, is that there are any number of pests (both insect and plant) that are actively killing parts of native forest. There are hardly any Ash trees left near where I live, and every warm season there are swarms of the spotted lanternfly, which are absolutely disastrous for many plants and the animals that depend upon them. So many trees have died in the years since it first got to metro Philly.

peace, man, one way to fight the lanternfly is to PLANT MILKWEED. The lanternfly loves it and is attracted to it, but milkweed sap immobilizes and kills the lanternfly :-)

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 19:08 (eight months ago) link

Sweet! Will do

peace, man, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 19:16 (eight months ago) link

I would consider an "invasive" species to be any introduced plant, insect, crustacean, fungus, animal or other organism whose proliferation significantly degrades the food chain of an entire ecosystem, leading to large increases in mortality in all parts of that ecosystem. And, yes, I recognize that under that definition European colonization across the globe has been by far the most destructive instance of such invasion.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 19:30 (eight months ago) link

^ ^ ^ Yep

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 21:24 (eight months ago) link

yalta.jpg

imago, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 22:25 (eight months ago) link

wait, table and Aimless may have never beefed

imago, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 22:26 (eight months ago) link

No, we have.

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 22:40 (eight months ago) link

I swear I have never seen “invasive species” associated with human immigration or whatever.

So is this where we talk about the racist buzzwording about the "Africanized" killer bee invasion?

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 22:52 (eight months ago) link

this seems relevant, I found this article very thought-provoking, ATTN table and map and Elvis

https://thenaturalfarmer.org/article/rethinking-the-invasive-species-paradigm/

thinkmanship (sleeve), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 23:25 (eight months ago) link

that looks really informative, thanks.

Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 23:38 (eight months ago) link

wait, table and Aimless may have never beefed

― imago, Wednesday, March 9, 2022 2:26 PM (four hours ago)

lol what? it's rare to see them agree on anything remotely political!

sarahell, Thursday, 10 March 2022 02:38 (eight months ago) link

okok, my initial instincts otm lol

imago, Thursday, 10 March 2022 09:32 (eight months ago) link

thanks for the article post sleeve

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 10 March 2022 13:15 (eight months ago) link

thanks sleeve.

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Thursday, 10 March 2022 16:16 (eight months ago) link

xp imago, i can say you were OTM 490 if that helps?

sarahell, Thursday, 10 March 2022 19:17 (eight months ago) link

four months pass...
one month passes...

White guy wearing a Howard t shirt ?

calstars, Saturday, 20 August 2022 19:59 (three months ago) link

Howard University? if so, then no

aegis philbin (crüt), Saturday, 20 August 2022 20:12 (three months ago) link

If not racist then…inappropriate?

calstars, Saturday, 20 August 2022 20:29 (three months ago) link

Maybe he has a family member who attends or attended.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 20 August 2022 20:33 (three months ago) link

or he attends / attended the school himself

aegis philbin (crüt), Saturday, 20 August 2022 21:02 (three months ago) link

maybe his name is Howard

symsymsym, Saturday, 20 August 2022 21:04 (three months ago) link

xp or he's employed there, or has some other connection to the school, or just wants to support the school, or just likes the shirt

aegis philbin (crüt), Saturday, 20 August 2022 21:04 (three months ago) link

I know at least two white guys who went to Howard for grad school, one in the physician assistant program, and one who I think did an MFA. It's a good school!

your marshmallows may vary (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 20 August 2022 23:48 (three months ago) link

I'm a white guy who wears a FAMU shirt from time to time. Didn't go there. Was never employed there. Did live in Tallahassee. Racist? Let me know, because if it is, I'll burn the motherfucker.

JackMyFruit, Sunday, 21 August 2022 03:21 (three months ago) link

Burning FAMU apparel... racist? Y/N

pplains, Sunday, 21 August 2022 15:29 (three months ago) link

Can we spend more time policing people for what they do than what they wear plz

castanuts (DJP), Sunday, 21 August 2022 17:32 (three months ago) link

i'd love to start with policing calstars from posting tbqh

(grim) pump track (wales) (map), Sunday, 21 August 2022 19:52 (three months ago) link

three weeks pass...

What the rest of us are getting worked up about, obviously, is that there are any number of pests (both insect and plant) that are actively killing parts of native forest. There are hardly any Ash trees left near where I live, and every warm season there are swarms of the spotted lanternfly, which are absolutely disastrous for many plants and the animals that depend upon them. So many trees have died in the years since it first got to metro Philly.

peace, man, one way to fight the lanternfly is to PLANT MILKWEED. The lanternfly loves it and is attracted to it, but milkweed sap immobilizes and kills the lanternfly :-)

― we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Wednesday, March 9, 2022 2:08 PM (six months ago) bookmarkflaglink

Weird thread to revive but I just wanted to clarify something upthread - you see we're having an increasing issue with lantern fly infestations here in NJ so I searched the term on ILX out of curiosity and found table's post. I was intrigued but it turns out milkweed is not a solution, according to this source below debunking it... bummed because we have the pest's favorite tree out back next door and it actually is a nice looking tree despite being classified as a weed. This particular one thinks it's an oak tree or something and would pass as one if it weren't for its foliage. Anyway, now neighbors will be incentivized to destroy it because of these jerk flies and we'd then lose a huge source of greenery out our back window, where we in particular have no personal access to greenery otherwise (no yard access).

https://www.farms.com/news/spotted-lanternfly-experts-debunk-myths-about-the-prodigious-pestilent-pest-164065.aspx

Evan, Wednesday, 14 September 2022 20:41 (two months ago) link

Lanternflies are an absolute fucking plague near me - they're everywhere - and I hate them because most bugs for whatever reason don't land on me or bite me, but just this week I've had lanternflies land on me three times already, including one that landed on the back of my neck and started walking up into my hair, and it freaks me the fuck out.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 14 September 2022 21:27 (two months ago) link

I'm not sure if I'd recognise an Ash if it was fully healthy. Seems all of the ones I'm seeing are partially bare. Skeletal looking trees.

Notice the effect a couple of years ago but only recently found out what caused it.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 14 September 2022 21:34 (two months ago) link

I dreamt a lanternfly flew at me and I punched it.

Look closely, that is all. (doo dah), Thursday, 15 September 2022 00:35 (two months ago) link

^ great The Smiths song

i eat ass with a knife and fork (Neanderthal), Thursday, 15 September 2022 01:32 (two months ago) link

I was at a park and had to grab onto a branch so I could adjust my shoe. I felt a crunch and looked to see that the entire branch was completely coated in lanternflies.

You can't spell Fearless without Earle (President Keyes), Thursday, 15 September 2022 14:51 (two months ago) link

I made a new thread where we can discuss invasive species without being off-topic on the racism thread: Zebra Mussels, Honeysuckle, and Spotted Lanternflies! - Rolling Invasive Species thread

peace, man, Thursday, 15 September 2022 15:22 (two months ago) link


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