Pretend you have a ballot for the 2012 edition of Sight & Sound's top 10 movies of all time list

Sorry I just had to take a little break to recover and take stock from how much I was enjoying it...

...and where better to spend it than an ILM film thread.

how is on the town viewed by critics? it's the only one that really connected with me beyond sort of cheerful admiration

xp Morbius which musicals would you say are 'deeper'?

As good but not great. xp

Meet Me in St Louis. The Band Wagon. The Wizard of Oz. An American in Paris. even Gigi!

jean hagen's so awesome in that

i love those donen-kelly pics - big ups to it's always fair weather - but minelli really is another level

an american in paris sucks balls in hell imo

sucks balls = sb

xp obv I've seen and adore The Wizard of Oz...but I'll look into those amidst all the other stuff I like watching.

Other MGM musicals are deeper.

How does this matter?

Also, those of you who are turning in multiple lists, let me know which one I should include in my inevitable spreadsheet.

useful for jaymc also^

Another ten:

The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie
The Bitter Tea of General Yen
Twentieth Century
La Belle Noiseuse
The Magnificent Ambersons
The Heiress
All About Eve
The Dream Life of Angels
Grand Illusion
Orpheus

just offa top of my head i guess:

the abyss
clean, shaven
cría cuervos
edge of heaven
fanny & alexander
le samourai
third man
throne of blood
wages of fear
youth of the beast

Two days into this, and the only vote for Citizen Kane shares space with Air Bud 2 and Barely Legal #15. This is very ominous for 2012. (Or maybe very promising for Air Bud 2 and Barely Legal #15.)

Cue hand-wringing "why aren't more britishes pornos making the list?" accompanying article.

The Maltese Falcon
Rear Window
Godfather I & II
The Man With No Name Trilogy
The Third Man
To Kill a Mockingbird
Rio Bravo
Singin in the Rain
Serpico
2001

OK, I know there aren't rules or anything, but I still say it's not OK to list the first and second Godfather movies in one slot. Use two if you want to pull that crap imo.

hmm haven't they done that themselves?

ok then, Godfather Two, and The Good, The Bad and The Ugly so

Nah, I'm just being a dick. You can have them in one slot. I think it's BS that S&S did it that way, tho.

I know you don't agree--we went over this on a different thread--but I think you have to accept, or at least recognize, that for some of us they exist as a single film. Especially as you get farther and farther away from them. I'm sure they seemed very distinct when they were first released; now, for me, they blur into one another. The fairness issue in the real poll is another issue, as is the problem for anyone who has a marked preference for one of them

tbh i'm with eric on this one

I don't like the Kill Bills at all, but if they start turning up double-listed on polls 15 years from now (please no...), it'll make sense to me. But I do get your objection.

back to the futures, then? how d'you make the call?

Well...realistically, there are probably very few candidates for these kinds of polls that present a similar problem. The first two Godfathers might not be unique, but they're close.

Merging the two Godfathers was nothing but a callous move by S&S to stiff them up in the rankings. They were not filmed concurrently.

That said, no rules on these ballots.

That said, do I feel this way because I think they're both overrated? Probably.

I've got the print issue somewhere around here. I can't remember if you did this or not, but I'm going to take a quick count of separate votes tomorrow. Why do you think they had a vested interest in bumping up GF's totals--to get something more current in the Top 10? You may be right, I'm just not sure what their motivation would be.

I did split the votes out, and The Godfather would've made the top 10 (just barely) and Part II would've been, I think, 11th.

I guess that would rule out currency as a cause. I dunno, maybe they did it to engineer at least one major shake-up in the rankings.

That's even weirder...It tells me that the decision was based on the unusual 10th/11th finish, for better or worse. If they finish 6th and 17th, or 8th and 29th, I don't think they would have done it.

Watch The Godfather Parts I & II ascend to the number one slot in '12.

When you present it that way, I may have come around to your way of thinking. Here's what I think: that if, like me, you want to cast a double-vote, and only use up one slot, you should be allowed to, and each one should have that vote counted towards its total. I know that gives some people 11 votes if they want to exercise that, but so be it. But if x number of people voted for I and it finished 10th, and y number of people voted for II and it finished 11th, and it's two different sets of people, then combining them into one total makes some huge assumptions. So I agree, that's not right. I think I thought that people were actually sending in ballots that had I & II as one film

I'm pretty sure they weren't. If, for instance, you think the first one is one of the 10 greatest movies of all time and the second one is merely a really good sequel, or vice versa, it's sort of disingenuous to have your vote for the former end up going toward the totals of the latter.

But I admit there probably aren't that many people who really love one and really dislike the other.

Now I'm suddenly worried that they're going to combine votes for Barely Legal #14 and Barely Legal #15.

Good night all.

I favor merging Tokyo Story and Vertigo into one movie.

i know ppl that really love part one and have no use for the sequels and obv 'part two is better than part one' is almost conventional wisdom now, though that's not the same as dismissing part one. i've pretty much always leaned towards two (and if clemenza had been in it it might be a runaway decision), but lately the pulp blockbuster novel roots that show in one and the somewhat unmet higher aspirations toward a higher station in two make me lean toward the first one (plus brando).

to be fair barely legal 14 and 15 were shot concurrently.

Well...realistically, there are probably very few candidates for these kinds of polls that present a similar problem. The first two Godfathers might not be unique, but they're close - hello ivan the terrible

they were cumshot cumcurrentwatly

i haven't seen it, but is the inclusion of showgirls on two lists anything other than challops?

berkely's second best role until curse of the jade scorpion.

No way, First Wives Club was way better than Jade Scorpion.

Love that we've had Air Bud, Naked Gun 2 1/2 and actual porn on ballots and it's Showgirls that gets called out.

Other MGM musicals are deeper.

How does this matter?

― Eric H., Sunday

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

bcuz deeper films are better, Mr. The Fury

Love that we've had Air Bud, Naked Gun 2 1/2 and actual porn on ballots and it's Showgirls that gets called out

But is that because it's any better, or because they're all equivalent?

Showgirls is deeper.

Go deeper into Showgirls.