'An erotic thriller'

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As found on:

- channel 5 late night.

- video shops.

Never erotic. Never thrilling. Does anyone (not even anyone here, I mean anyone) actually watch these films for either, um, 'purpose'.

Tom, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

are erotic thrillers like low rent versions of Fatal Instinct and that kind of thing?

they sound great.

DV, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Always starring Shannon Tweed and featuring anatomically impossible shagging.

RickyT, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes those are the ones. The Red Shoe Diaries Vol 3.

Tom, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

(by anatomically impossible I don't mean high level karma sutra standing on yr head stuff, just relative positioning of male and female groins that means there is no way that any penetration is taking place at all)

RickyT, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The one on Friday was great for that - two women giving it some moan but actually arching their backs away from one another to completely minimise the possibility of censor baiting crotch contact.

Not that we all watched it or anything.

Tom, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Shannon Tweed OR Shannon Whirry who has a much better name. They are funny when drunk for about 10 minutes.

Tom - 'giving it some moan'? Hein?

Emma, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

giving it some moan = lezzing it up?

RickyT, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Well I figured out what it means all by myself it's just it was an expression I hadn't, er, come across before. It makes me think of 'giving it some welly'.

Emma, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Its an expression I made up on the spot, is why. It just seemed appropriate for the enormous noise:actual touching ratio.

Tom, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

'C'mon luv, give it a bit of moan!'

'Only when you start giving it a bit of welly, matey'.

It is very effective Tom. Ha ha ha.

Emma, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I did rent a few of these back in the early 90s when I first joined Blockbuster. I soon learned not to bother, however. Can't remember ever watching one on C5.

Here in Belgium, VT4 is probably closest to C5 (also Kanaal2 to an extent, but they also have Buffy, so can't knock them too much). AB3 shows genuine erotica and Canal+ hardcore porn. These continentals are so sophisticated.

Jeff W, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I suppose its a bit less humiliating to check out "Dangerous Desires" then say "Big Booty Babes 14."

bnw, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Certain feminist film critics have attempted to 'recuperate' these flicks, but it seems like kind of an uphill struggle to me.

A lot of them are made by Zalman King, who wrote '9 and 1/2 Weeks' and starred in 'Blue Sunshine', a great 70s exploitation pic where people take a type of LSD that turns them bald and psycho!

Perhaps the nearest thing to an auteur in the genre is the director Gregory Hippolyte (sp) who also makes hardcore under the name Gregory Dark, and pop videos for people like Britney Spears (I think 'Hit Me Baby One More Time' was one of his!)

Andrew L, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The stars of the '3rotic videos' @ Blockbusters are the bosses of Seduction Cinema (from the makers of Gl4diator Eroticus, and Who Wants 2 B an 3rotic Billionaire)...

Sarah, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I think the director of Scooby Doo was also a former porn guy.

bnw, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I remember seeing something like these on Sky channel once, only it was a TV series.

It featured Nazis and some kind of sinister plot. There were great bits when these people would be shagging away (in a not actually shagging kind of way) and would then turn and give the Hitler salute to a huge wall mounted swastika.

being a Nazi is cool.

DV, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Red Shoe Diaries, yes -- pretty much any movie shown between 11 pm and 7 am on Cinemax (aka Skinemax) over here as well.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I always mistook an Erotic Thriller for a porno film featuring Michael Jackson, zombies & werewolves.

Lek Dukagjin, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

skinemax and any other movie channel on friday nights has all the hits. Sometimes they get quite dirty. Usually at 11pm I've invested half my evening in the beer and am pretty flaccid at this point, so they serve me no purpose.

Chris, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Skinemax and Hotime!

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha! Hadn't heard the Hotime one before. I have a stash of wonderfully ridiculous ex-porns, as I call them, taped from Cinemax back in the late eighties and early nineties. Since all the actual sex was cut out of these various seventies Eurodisasters, that just left the plot, the costumes and the bad acting. Perfection!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

They make me imagine young well-groomed born-again Christian couples trying to "spice up" their sex lives. And they're so glammy: I wish they would do more with barbarians and pirates and such, as opposed to yachts or "the s(t)eamy underbelly of Hollywood." I don't understand this middling porn: either masturbate or don't, damnit.

nabisco, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

and they always star the one and only Gary Hudson. http://www.showcase.ca/paradisefalls/images/cast/Brick_Madison.jpg

Chris, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Who is he, the Peter North you can take home to mother or something?

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

he's in as many of those flicks as shannon tweed.

Chris, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

and lets not forget Julie Strain.

Chris, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Lisa Boyle!!

jel --, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

'Erotic thriller' is not unique in its guarantee to be neither of the things making up its title. When applied to British films (usually from the '70s), 'sex comedy' is equally certain to mean a film that is neither sexy nor funny. I've noticed that 'comedy dramas' on ITV are tending this way too. Are there other examples?

Martin Skidmore, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw (when we had the telly) the one where shannon tweed is an undercover cop, who busts a big drug dealer by shagging him (& others). I also saw on where a rich family all hate each other, until they take in a HOT lodger (i can't remember if this was also shannon tweed) who shags every member of the family, after which they all like each other again. On this (admittedly small) sampling, they would seem to propose that any problems you may encounter can be solved by having soft focus sex w/everyone you come into daily contact w/. If only life were so simple. I wd love to say that ms Tweed is wonderful etc, and that such films are GRATE, but the ones I mention above were shit. I wonder if history will judge "Basic Instinct" as a part of this genre. I do hope so.

Norman Phay, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

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Norman Phay, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.moviemugs.com/mgst02.JPG

GAH.

Norman Phay, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

eight years pass...

why did erotic thrillers have to die as a genre? I really love them.

homosexual II, Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:13 (nine years ago) link

im watching poison ivy starring DREW BARRYMORE on instant netflix right now

homosexual II, Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:14 (nine years ago) link

1) Lisa Boyle was way hott!! She was in like the first Bad Boys movie.

2) Blue Sunshine is a movie I desperately want to see.

3) The movie that Norman Phay was talking about, about the family that hates each other, is called Friend of the Family starring Shauna O'Brien as Elke the hot tenant that shags everyone.

hapshash jar tempo (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:29 (nine years ago) link

didnt u see CHLOE

Gukbe, Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:30 (nine years ago) link

im watching poison ivy starring DREW BARRYMORE on instant netflix right now

Is that the one with Max Headroom as the dad?

Pleasant Plains, Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:38 (nine years ago) link

tom skerritt is the dad

homosexual II, Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:40 (nine years ago) link

what does everyone think of SLIVER? the soundtrack is pretty great.

homosexual II, Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:41 (nine years ago) link

i think in 1994 the concept of PEOPLE WATCHING YOU was way more edgy.

homosexual II, Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:42 (nine years ago) link

Doesn't Poison Ivy have Alyssa Milano in it as well? The sequel is where the blond girl from My Name is Earl got her big break...

Even though I've seen Exotica, I'm still kinda weirded out about Egoyan making high-class softcore...there was a time in my adolescence when I was a little obsessed w Canadian art-films, and I really liked The Sweet Hereafter...

hapshash jar tempo (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:48 (nine years ago) link

Poison Ivy 2 has Alyssa Milano in it

Poison Ivy 3 is the one w/ Jaime Presley

homosexual II, Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:49 (nine years ago) link

i like erotic thrillers with sexual awakenings (poison ivy 2, lake consequence) but i also like ones about women being stalked (lady beware, sliver)

homosexual II, Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:50 (nine years ago) link

You ever see Boxing Helena?

hapshash jar tempo (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:51 (nine years ago) link

No idea why I had Matt Frewer in my mind as a guy getting cut with a knife in that movie.

Meanwhile, this is hilarious:

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/8066/screenshot20110227at125.png

Pleasant Plains, Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:53 (nine years ago) link

yes ive seen boxing helena tons of times

its pretty ridic

homosexual II, Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:54 (nine years ago) link

i used to think that sex scene in boxing helena w/ julian sands and the nurse was soooooooooooo hot

i was like 15

homosexual II, Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:55 (nine years ago) link

has anyone seen lake consequence?

its pretty great. its also on instant netflix.

homosexual II, Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:56 (nine years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eNUq7004WI

homosexual II, Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:59 (nine years ago) link

i also HIGHLY RECOMMEND the lifetime movie with eric roberts (love him) and anne heche - FATAL DESIRE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFS2B6W6Y8o

homosexual II, Sunday, 27 February 2011 07:01 (nine years ago) link

Like, it's already a borderline tongue-in-cheek riff on Hitchcock, which of course De Palma has made a career of, but then you factor in in terrible casting and acting and I'm just not sure what he is going for.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 25 August 2017 15:43 (three years ago) link

See, I think y'all are lumping together what I think of as two distinct kinds of movies. Both, I guess, could loosely be described as erotic thrillers.

But I would say that there's a Category 1 ET: reasonably well-known director, big studio, theatrical release, recognizable Hollywood names. Sliver, Body Heat, Wild Orchid, Wild Things, Wild at Heart, Basic Instinct, Fatal Attraction, 9.5 Weeks, Color of Night. These are basically just moody or noir-ish movies that have three or six decently steamy sex scenes.

Your dad could have them in with the rest of the VHS tapes, filed between the Beverly Hills Cops and the Indiana Joneses. They're certainly racy, but they have too much plot and cinematography to be porn. If they had been porn, your dad would have hid them in a box under the 1988 tax return.

One might have watched these through only once, and thenceforward relied on skillful FFing and REWing to get you to the good parts. But you had to watch it through once, because before the Internet that was the only way to find the good parts.

Red Shoe Diaries and the softcore stuff that is currently on Cinemax in the "After Dark" category? Not even direct to video, but direct to cable. You have not heard of the actors, the director, or the studio in any non-erotic context. Those are Category 2 ETs. Current listing on Max Go includes "Bedroom Eyes," "The Deadly Pick Up," "High Heel Homicide," "Illicit Desires," on and on.

Last time I, um, checked, their ratio of exposition to sex scene (while nowhere near that of hardcore) is more regular. So if you were going to use it as wankage fodder, you would need to do far less work with the remote control to get to the steamy parts. It's probably about every 9-11 minutes. Which is, coincidentally, the average amount of time that a pay-per-view erotic movie is watched in hotel rooms.

The plots are of course ridic, and the stagey non-penetrative non-genital-showing sex just looks goofy. So they're pretty useless as porn (because it's so easy to get real porn), and they're also useless as movies (because they're so full of stupid).

CAVEAT: Some franchises - notably Poison Ivy - started out as Cat 1 and moved to Cat 2 over the course of the sequels. Maybe they're in a Cat 1 1/2.

Tone-Locrian (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 25 August 2017 15:44 (three years ago) link

I'm primarily concerned w Cat 1 tbh

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 August 2017 15:49 (three years ago) link

thread is about cat ii iirc

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 25 August 2017 16:01 (three years ago) link

brb about to post "a neurotic thriller" in the "rejected parody threads" thread

Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Friday, 25 August 2017 16:03 (three years ago) link

thread is about cat ii iirc

based on the original post, undoubtedly - however I will forcibly re-appropriate this thread for my own means cuz what am I gonna do, create another thread called Category 1 Erotic Thrillers?

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 August 2017 16:05 (three years ago) link

body of evidence hasn't been mentioned itt! a real stinker of a film. a basic instinct copy where the relationship is between murder suspect and her defense lawyer, rather than murder suspect and cop.

madonna dropping hot wax on willem dafoe's genitalia is a real treat though

-_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 25 August 2017 16:36 (three years ago) link

Ye Mad Puffin- Wild Orchid is by Zalman King, Who created Red Shoe Diaries and his work seems to go between the two categories you set (and there's probably a lot of stuff inbetween that space). Red Shoe Diaries had David Duchovny, Matt LeBlanc and Sheryl Lee.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 25 August 2017 19:12 (three years ago) link

Perhaps King gradually slid more firmly into the second category like Borowczyk did, but his stuff is very different.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 25 August 2017 19:16 (three years ago) link

Category I and II are actually a bit more mixed. Zalman King got a few auteur-like write-ups, and Some Call it Loving had some attention too.

There is a whole intersection where a handful of 70s auteur cinema with a lot of kink and sex is made: In the Realm of the Senses, W.R.: Mysteries of the Organism, Sweet Movie, Salo, The Night Porter, obv Last Tango...and then sorta gets...left, no one makes that anymore - and I reckon Cat II then kicks off a bit to almost fill that void in a strange way. I haven't fully mapped it out but I quite like someone to do a really wacky retro of both of these things - with maybe some Hollywood late 80s/early 90s to pad it out. xxp

xyzzzz__, Friday, 25 August 2017 19:24 (three years ago) link

Salo

idk if the intention of this movie was actually to be erotic, quite the opposite imo

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 August 2017 19:25 (three years ago) link

Country where they're made probably quite an important factor.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 25 August 2017 19:28 (three years ago) link

"King gradually slid more firmly into..." - well, at least, simulated firm sliding

Tone-Locrian (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 25 August 2017 19:32 (three years ago) link

Most of those 70s films aren't exactly erotic but they use a take on sexuality to deliver some er truths and also map out a kind of fever dream. Which is what some of those Cat II erotic thrillers might have been doing, its been too long since I caught them on TV.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 25 August 2017 19:33 (three years ago) link

I always understood this genre as being one that grew entirely out of the success of Fatal Attraction, Basic Instinct and Blockbuster Video. With mega video stores needing more product, producers seized the opportunity to flood the market with cheap knockoffs with titles like Unnatural Discretion or Indecent Exposure and whatnot (I realize that Fatal Instinct was a spoof, but that was probably only because someone got to it before one of these other companies could). Sure, a lot of these films still went to theatres (at which point high-profile flops like Body of Evidence and The Colour of Night gradually succeeded in killing the genre off), but what went where was largely determined by star power: anything with Michael Douglas, Richard Gere, Sharon Stone, Kim Basinger or Rebecca DeMornay went to theatres, anything with Shannon Tweed or Michael Ironside or Barbara Carrera went straight to video.

the general theme of STUFF (cryptosicko), Friday, 25 August 2017 19:37 (three years ago) link

("got to it" = the title)

the general theme of STUFF (cryptosicko), Friday, 25 August 2017 19:38 (three years ago) link

"King gradually slid more firmly into..." - well, at least, simulated firm sliding

― Tone-Locrian (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 25 August 2017 20:32

I was going to stay that King straddles your two categories.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 25 August 2017 20:02 (three years ago) link

Most of those 70s films aren't exactly erotic but they use a take on sexuality to deliver some er truths and also map out a kind of fever dream.

I think a couple of interesting things were going on. One, of course, was the porno chic movement of the '70s, which infused everything. The other was relatively strict standards (self imposed or otherwise) about what could or could not be depicted in movies. The last might be how unavailable a lot of hardcore stuff was to most people, which tended to magnify the relatively minor (or more prominent) transgressions of Hollywood/mainstream stuff into at least appearing more titillating. Hence late night boobs, let alone softcore in general, felt more transgressive than it was. It was very sotto voce "hey man, did you see ..." or "did you hear about ... ?" As mentioned above, I think it's not a coincidence the genre (as such) more or less died off with the arrival of the internet.

By the way ... Black Swan=erotic thriller? The Piano?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 25 August 2017 20:05 (three years ago) link

Too prestige-y. When I think "high-toned erotic thrillers" I think of something like Boxing Helena.

the general theme of STUFF (cryptosicko), Friday, 25 August 2017 20:09 (three years ago) link

I always understood this genre as being one that grew entirely out of the success of Fatal Attraction, Basic Instinct and Blockbuster Video.

i think this is wrong? the 80s were the high-water mark of movies subtitled 'an erotic thriller' (a la the thread title) and if anything the movies you're talking about (cat 1 if you will) were an attempt to prestige-ify and supersize them for a bigger audience

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 25 August 2017 20:15 (three years ago) link

Paul Verhoeven's early Dutch erotic thriller The Fourth Man.

And Black Widow is a good 80s example.

Whispers in the Dark is a bad 90s example.

Eazy, Friday, 25 August 2017 20:17 (three years ago) link

xpost

Fair enough. I was too young in the 80s to be fully aware of these movies beyond seeing the boxes for The Postman Always Rings Twice (Nicholson/Lange version) and Body Heat or whatever in the video store. I just remember there being a surge of these post-FA, and then definitely post-BI, that definitely produced more films in this genre than anything prior to that time.

Never saw Whispers in the Dark, but Gene Siskel's description (on that year's "Worst Movies of the Year" show) of Alan Alda stumbling around a beach with a hook stuck in his neck (or was it head?) always stuck with me.

the general theme of STUFF (cryptosicko), Friday, 25 August 2017 20:22 (three years ago) link

those were the peak, not the beginning

De Palma def a big part of this in America, "Dressed to Kill" etc.

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 August 2017 20:25 (three years ago) link

Siskel liked Boxing Helena too iirc

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 August 2017 20:25 (three years ago) link

This Letterboxd list that I just found does a credible and thorough job of trying to define the genre, I think.

the general theme of STUFF (cryptosicko), Friday, 25 August 2017 20:25 (three years ago) link

jackpot!

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 August 2017 20:30 (three years ago) link

Body Double is incredible, it transcends Wasson's leaden performance

― Οὖτις, Friday, August 25, 2017 3:30 PM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and yes it is ridiculous BUT - in the classic DePalma way - I think it is legit good, it goes so hard on the camp and exploitation that it achieves a weird fever-dream tone that is fantastic and genuinely disturbing.

― Οὖτις, Friday, August 25, 2017 3:32 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

OTM. De Palma at his most unhinged, absurd and overblown in a totally compelling and entertaining way. Love it.

circa1916, Friday, 25 August 2017 20:42 (three years ago) link

When the plot, acting, etc. are pointless, then what's the point? It looks like shit, too, just super bright sitcom lighting. What is there to actually enjoy in it? I mean, once the "Relax" video hits it sort of picks up, but it's practically over. As an exercise in style, maybe I could get behind it, but Ebert (and I assume others) took it seriously. And certainly Dressed to Kill took itself more seriously with similarly lurid themes, so why would he goof on himself? If your whole gist is hyper blown ott absurdity, then it's kind of lame to riff on yourself, though DePalma is nothing if not self-reflexive.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 25 August 2017 20:48 (three years ago) link

I do like, in theory, the idea of this one and Body Heat explicitly transgressing (relatively speaking) in the ways their direct inspirations could not but clearly wanted to. Nudity, language, blood. Don't know if that makes it better, but I have no doubt Hitchcock would have reveled in stuff so sleazy. On that other thread back when I think I made the same point about Basic Instinct.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 25 August 2017 20:50 (three years ago) link

Thief of Hearts! Wow, that takes me back to borrowing dad's Blockbuster card fer shurr.

Tone-Locrian (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 25 August 2017 20:51 (three years ago) link

I think the only thing I agree w you is that Wasson's acting is not great. But he's serviceable, and everything else going on around him is very rich imo.

xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 August 2017 20:51 (three years ago) link

I don't know, I think it's actually not rich. Very shallow, very artificial, and very one person speaks one stilted line at a time. Had it better pulled off the Rear Window meets Vertigo mash-up I'd be more enthused.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 25 August 2017 20:53 (three years ago) link

I mean, many of the same problems I have with Basic Instinct so many years later, but at least BI undoubtedly looks awesome. It's well crafted.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 25 August 2017 20:54 (three years ago) link

The whole panty-sniffing mall/beach chase scene in Body Double, and Wasson staying up late and seeing Holly Body on TV, and so on, felt so disconnected when I saw it again a few years ago, like hearing someone tell you a story about getting laid in a way that makes you cringe instead of relate.

Eazy, Friday, 25 August 2017 20:57 (three years ago) link

Agree that somewhere in the second half it loses itself plotwise but that only adds to what Shakey said about the fever dream feel of it. Falls down this rabbit hole of unreality. It is (largely) an exercise in style, and that's not unsubstantial, particularly if we're talking about this genre and this director. Seeing BDP basically turn his movie riffing on his own oeuvre is total gleeful fun. It's way more interesting and less straight up than what you normally get with this genre.

circa1916, Saturday, 26 August 2017 01:39 (three years ago) link

Steven Bauer is hot as fuuuuk on THIEF OF HEARTS

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 26 August 2017 01:40 (three years ago) link

OK, back to Body Double. I somehow completely forgot the ending, not just the climax, but the ending. So in general there is all sorts of wtf-ery going on in this movie. Why does the killer use a giant drill? Is the Relax video real or fantasy? Why when he meets Holly after their scene together minutes earlier is he suddenly pretending to be a slick producer? What was the killer's plan, anyway? Steal diamonds? Anyway, none of that matters, the movie is dumb, though we can debate if it's smart-dumb (though I would counter that Femme Fatale covers similar meta smart-dumb ground much, much better).

Anyway, the end. So Holly - not dead - is about to be buried alive (apparently running distance from an active police scene). The Indian dumps her in the hole, guy comes to rescue her, fights with the Indian, deus ex white dog, Indian goes into the reservoir, guy says he's here to help Holly and then ... cut to guy back to his job (which he wasn't fired from?) as a cheesy vampire, then over the credits he's made to freeze while they sub in the body double for the woman on the shower, and the rest of the credits roll over her exposed breasts. Like, wtf?

Learned this from wiki, though: "Slavitza Jovan, who appeared as Gozer the Gozerian in Ghostbusters the same year, 1984, briefly appears as a saleslady."

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 27 August 2017 12:55 (three years ago) link

if anything the movies you're talking about (cat 1 if you will) were an attempt to prestige-ify and supersize them for a bigger audience

otm, I think a lot of it was mainstreaming stuff from '70s pulp and peepsploitation. So the Category II movies are kind of just returning the material to its cheap knockoff roots. In Category I, I love how many marquee names of the '80s made at least one erotic thriller. It's like all the aging rock stars making at least one New Wave album.

i think the two shifts totally go hand in hand: i absolutely associate the 80s new wavification of rock with the mainstreaming of the erotic thriller -- not least bcz the texture of music videos permeated the early 80s films in this vein (and vice versa)

mark s, Sunday, 27 August 2017 19:36 (three years ago) link

Excellent point but you have inexplicably omitted Sheena Easton's "Sugar Walls."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-Alq8rJIbo

Tone-Locrian (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 27 August 2017 20:22 (three years ago) link

"Self Control" definitely. All that exciting danger a liberated woman encounters.

Definitely why Dressed to Kill fits.

Also, random notes:

Jonathan Rosenbaum on Basic Instinct: https://m.chicagoreader.com/chicago/how-to-write-a-3-million-script/Content?oid=879416

Fatal Attraction is the all-time hit of this genre, isn't it?

And given how long it took Kubrick to make Eyes WideShut, he must've started in on it around that time.

Eazy, Sunday, 27 August 2017 22:26 (three years ago) link

three months pass...

So why did "In the Cut" end Meg Ryan's career? It's not great but she is not particularly terrible, nor is it by any means embarrassing. It's just a creepy little movie.

Οὖτις, Monday, 27 November 2017 02:20 (three years ago) link

It didn't, iirc. I want to say the nail in the coffin - beyond just her entering upper middle age and getting written out of roles like Renee Russo on down - was a few years earlier, with "Proof of Life," when her affair with Russel Crowe (right?) got her branded the proverbial other woman and she became tabloid fodder. I suppose it's more accurate to say "In the Cut" killed Campion's Hollywood hopes.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 27 November 2017 02:29 (three years ago) link

It's well-made and directed imo

Οὖτις, Monday, 27 November 2017 02:32 (three years ago) link

It was fine, iirc. But maybe, especially a few years post Piano, so anonymously 'erotic thriller" that no one cared. That's why I don't think it's Meg that it killed, any more than, say, Sliver killed Sharon Stone's career. Which, of course, it didn't, if you include "Casino," but that was an outlier. It feels that Sliver (like Jade did for Linda Fiorentino) really reduced her to a joke, even if Joe Eszterhas was ultimately to blame for both. And those plus Showgirls killed his career as much as it did theirs.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 27 November 2017 02:40 (three years ago) link

That is, all those movies took down their respective auteurs and while not necessarily their leads, they seemed to go down with them.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 27 November 2017 02:41 (three years ago) link

three years pass...

Adrian Lyne and Ben Affleck are bringing it back, baby

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Water_(2021_film)

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