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i am thinking of going to houston. can you tell me about it?

gareth, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

they have a space center

bc, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

In five years at least one of their sports franchises will be really, really good (my money's on the Astros).

J Blount, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

As in to stay permanently? Austin might suit you better. Never heard a thing positive about Houston.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Look for Jandek. Go to the Houston post offfice at 5901 Market Street. When you see anyone open P.O. Box 15375, take a picture of them.

brg30, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

They have two decent musuems and a great university.

anthony, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

highly conservative. extremely polluted from presence of refineries. abysmally bad traffic. some of worst suburban sprawl in nation.

yah, go to Austin if Texas is a must. more human friendly.

badger, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, home of Jandek and the Geto Boys ... whether either is a good thing or a bad thing depends on yer taste

u. houston has a good law school, but i doubt that that's why gareth is going ... and the bastards put me on their wait list when i applied years ago

supposed to be hot, humid, and one of the worst polluted American cities (thanks to Dubya, needless to say). also, houston has no municipal zoning laws so you could literally live next door to an office building or a garbage dump and there's not a helluva lot you can do about it

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

As a New Yorker who once lived in Miami and now living in Houston, I can say that's it's not bad. The cultural scene is livelier than Miami. I know that may not say a lot but the musueums and art galleries are on par ( closer to NYC than Miami). There's more action going on in theater scene than good old Miami. As for the pollution, it can be bad especially in the southeast Houston which is where all the oil refineries are located. Politically speaking it's conservative but at least you don't have to deal with right wing Cubans.

MICHELINE, Monday, 22 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

My experience in Houston: being stuck in rush hour traffic for an hour.. looking for a sign that says "Austin" on one of the million intersecting freeways. There were none. I had to use my atlas to figure it out.

(I can't say Austin is that amazing either, but the weekend I was there was kinda tense and weird...)

donut bitch, Monday, 22 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Shit I forgot - they have the Rothko Chapel!

J Blount, Monday, 22 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...
seven months pass...
So I have to spend a short time here, shortly. I probably won't have an opportunity to see anything, but is there anything unmissable in Houston? Great food?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 03:14 (fifteen years ago) link

you should see the houses of william norman floyd...god they are nice..all modernist cubes, venacular but softened a little from la for example.

anthony, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 03:43 (fifteen years ago) link

is there anything unmissable in Houston?

i can't think of anything. and i live here. if you have a free afternoon, go to the menil collection and look at surrealism and the rothko chapel. they're free. then go to the house of pies and have a slice of pie. it's cheap. there's about 20,000 good restaurants.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 04:24 (fifteen years ago) link

That freeway is terrifying.

Allyzay, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 04:26 (fifteen years ago) link

hahaha, i live about 300 yards away from one of those.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 05:09 (fifteen years ago) link

we used to play on this at night while it was being built.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 05:20 (fifteen years ago) link

food, mai's in little saigon. i also always hit mission burritos b/c I like it. i know there's more. . .

def. rothko chapel maybe the orange show.

Ask For Samantha (thatgirl), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 13:49 (fifteen years ago) link

three months pass...
revive - this was a false alarm before, but now I actually have to go, it seems. cajun is what to eat, yes?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 11 September 2004 02:28 (fifteen years ago) link

My In-Laws live there. It doesn't strike me as a particularly exciting place. Why not try Austin?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 11 September 2004 02:31 (fifteen years ago) link

oh, it's not a choice

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 11 September 2004 02:33 (fifteen years ago) link

There's a great Mexican restaurant called Mama Ninfa's that kicks a giant platter of mole-coated ass. That's about all Houston has going for it as far as I've experienced.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 11 September 2004 02:38 (fifteen years ago) link

"alex in houston" has a nice ring to it.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 11 September 2004 03:04 (fifteen years ago) link

go see a baseball game. the park is nice. you're lucky too because i think the worst of the heat has just passed, tho there may be a death rattle coming up. (and by passed i mean it's now only in the lower 90s)

ryan (ryan), Saturday, 11 September 2004 03:06 (fifteen years ago) link

"alex in houston" has a nice ring to it.

That'll never happen. Believe you me.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 11 September 2004 03:13 (fifteen years ago) link

what days will you be in houston?

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Saturday, 11 September 2004 05:35 (fifteen years ago) link

Important -- what part of Houston will you be in? It's about 40 miles diameter in any direction. S P R A W L.

But no matter where you are, get some mexican food. It'll be better than you're used to, almost regardless of what you're used to. And drink some beer. Maybe get stuck in traffic and slap a cow in the ass. Then you're done.

Tonight at ten (kenan), Saturday, 11 September 2004 05:49 (fifteen years ago) link

cajun is what to eat, yes?

Wrong state, son. But if you come to Houston by way of Lafayette, then yes, stop and suck some crawfish heads. You'll either love it or think it's the nasty mud food of the nasty mud folk.

Tonight at ten (kenan), Saturday, 11 September 2004 05:55 (fifteen years ago) link

and be sure to scour houston in search of BUSHWICK BILL

Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 11 September 2004 05:57 (fifteen years ago) link

But keep your eyes peeled. He's real small.

Tonight at ten (kenan), Saturday, 11 September 2004 05:57 (fifteen years ago) link

(the fact that BUSHWICK BILL [and scarface] are from houston are about the only redeemable things that i can think of wr2 houston)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 11 September 2004 05:58 (fifteen years ago) link

Maybe, but you haven't seen their neighborhoods.

Tonight at ten (kenan), Saturday, 11 September 2004 05:59 (fifteen years ago) link

and this year halloween DOES fall on a weekend! coincidence? I THINK NOT -- esp if gabb's still in town!!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 11 September 2004 05:59 (fifteen years ago) link

gabb & geto boys be trick or treatin'

Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 11 September 2004 05:59 (fifteen years ago) link

I like it like that.

jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 11 September 2004 06:07 (fifteen years ago) link

so bushwick bill is houston's face to the world? like, from the cover of "we can't be stopped?"

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Saturday, 11 September 2004 06:53 (fifteen years ago) link

I like to think of this as Houston's face:

ihttp://www.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2001/12/136381.jpg

It's one of the special bonus buildings in Sim City 3000!

Tonight at ten (kenan), Saturday, 11 September 2004 12:24 (fifteen years ago) link

"That'll never happen. Believe you me."

Oh crap, sounds like Alex found out about our "No Killing Joke Ordinance" of 1999.

Doobie Keebler (Charles McCain), Saturday, 11 September 2004 16:22 (fifteen years ago) link

Hahahahaha

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 11 September 2004 18:15 (fifteen years ago) link

but houston surely "honours the fire," what with all of those oil and gas pipes?!?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 11 September 2004 18:52 (fifteen years ago) link

outside the loop (and not in previously mentioned southeast part) it's just like anywhere else sub/exurbia. i've been down to a sort of hip part of main street, downtown, where they got the toy trolly now. good food and drink, though the youths around today have gotten to be status-symbol crazy, in the extreme. you'll probably notice that too. most people however are really almost ridiculously nice.

duke 610, Saturday, 11 September 2004 19:01 (fifteen years ago) link

uh oh, 'ridiculously nice' people.

I'll be near City Hall. it sounds like it's not worth going too far? i won't have a car, most likely. is it easy to get cabs early evening? or is the trolley good enough?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 11 September 2004 19:06 (fifteen years ago) link

i dunno much about the trolley it was just built last year for the superbowl. the entire downtown grid is walkable (esp. underground!)

duke underneath, Saturday, 11 September 2004 19:12 (fifteen years ago) link

most people however are really almost ridiculously nice.

The myth about the south that never seems to die. Most people in Houston are about as nice as most people anywhere else.

Tonight at ten (kenan), Saturday, 11 September 2004 19:44 (fifteen years ago) link

Which is to say, reasonably.

Tonight at ten (kenan), Saturday, 11 September 2004 19:44 (fifteen years ago) link

yes but i know of what i speak on both counts. plus you are there already, right? try coming up to the northeast for a spell (or say 11 years).

duke eleven, Saturday, 11 September 2004 20:07 (fifteen years ago) link

it's not so much nice as "polite," though they are pretty nice here i think.

i am always shocked at how often people honk their car horns up north.

ryan (ryan), Saturday, 11 September 2004 20:09 (fifteen years ago) link

or just freak out over nothing in general.

duke general, Saturday, 11 September 2004 20:13 (fifteen years ago) link

xpost Oh, I know! But usually it's just an "I'm over here! Look out!" and not really intended or taken as rude. It's more polite to hit somebody down south than it is to honk at them. That'll get you shot, no lie.

Tonight at ten (kenan), Saturday, 11 September 2004 20:14 (fifteen years ago) link

i highly recommend you check out the mini-documentary bonus dvd that comes with the Geto Boys best of if you ever get a chance.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:31 (fifteen years ago) link

that was nice to read gabbneb. i will probably be leaving here in a few years when im done with grad school, but i dont have anything against the place that isnt my own fault (besides the weather). It's home, for better or worse. i think that a downtown scene is starting to get going actually.

i have to say that whenever i am in big cities like chicago or new york, you know REAL cities and not just the intersection of several suburbs and sprawl, i find it very exciting but also vaquely clausterphobic and threatening. no space, no light, no sky or horizon! it would take me a long time to adjust to that. i like my buildings FAR apart thanks very much!

ryan (ryan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:13 (fifteen years ago) link

Ill be spending ALOT of time in houston in the next year. I cant say whether IM looking forward to it or not...

still bevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 7 October 2004 05:48 (fifteen years ago) link

I certainly like light, sky, horizon and know what you mean. But they can be found to some extent in such cities if you go to the right places (or if you are high up enough in the air). In Manhattan, that would be a lot of the West Side and, of course, Central Park. And many parts of the outer boroughs yield the same. D.C., with its height restrictions, is something of a compromise - perhaps it's marginal on real city-ness to some, but I put it there.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 7 October 2004 11:49 (fifteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
Revive.

Anthony was otm above. Where are these William Norman Floyd houses? Are they the ones in the Menil's neighborhood?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 21 May 2005 16:48 (fourteen years ago) link

http://users.ev1.net/~michaelb/bend/bend.htm

anthony, Saturday, 21 May 2005 17:04 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Mai's is not the best Vietnamese in Houston, nor even in Little Saigon. Take the Southwest Freeway about ten miles south -- exit at Bellaire, take a right on Bellaire, drive about a mile, and then take your pick from any of the thousands of Vietnamese or Vietnamese/Chinese restaurants out there in the real Chinatown.

Or drive up Hillcroft, if you're in the mood for something else. South of 59, it's Central American, all pupusas and gorditas. Drive north and you hit first Little Bombay, then Little Tehran, then Little Beirut, all of which are interspersed with random stuff like Mexican hip-hop clubs, Tejano gay bars, and a "Flying Pizza" joint straight outta the 1950s.

Or drive down Bissonnet west of the little enclave city of Bellaire. There you'll find African CD and Video shops run by Cote de Ivoirian women, the Moo Hive Honey Ice Cream Parlor, an outpost of Pollo Campero, and the Tat Dat Azz tattoo parlor. There's a little Havana down there, not to mention Colombians, Nigerians, Katrina Exiles, Salvadorans, Filipinos, Hondurans, Belizeans, etc.

No, the suburbs are not dull here. The far ring is; the inner ring, esp. on the SW side, is the immigrant city of the future.

Fetchin Bones (Fetchin Bones), Saturday, 3 June 2006 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, I didn't find Mai's to live up to its reputation.

me and deluca (account), Saturday, 3 June 2006 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link

my reference to Goode Co above has been rescinded - that place rules

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 3 June 2006 23:11 (thirteen years ago) link

mai's is popular because it's central and open very late. southwest houston has better places, but as you noted they're ten miles outside of 610 and close at nine or ten.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Saturday, 3 June 2006 23:36 (thirteen years ago) link

capital grille, striphouse, pappas bros, vic and anthony's ............. smith and wollensky (in that order)

me and deluca (account), Saturday, 3 June 2006 23:56 (thirteen years ago) link

did you make it to Churrascos or Americas?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 4 June 2006 00:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Nope. I didn't even make it to Goode Co. sadly. Found out I was heading back to LA on short notice.

me and deluca (account), Sunday, 4 June 2006 03:49 (thirteen years ago) link

Capital Grill and Smith & Wollensky are both chains. Bah. That's not authentic Houston. You have to go to a lesser known Taqueria or a nice dim sum place that is not found all over the country. But I have really bad taste so I'm not a good reference.

I went to Smith & Wollensky recently and got their highly praised pork shank with applesauce and wanted to throw up afterwards. It was shit. The service was shit. Everything was shit. I would've faired better with IHOP.

If you're downtown then Zambuka (not sure if that's spelled correctly) is a lovely place. For sushi I love Koko's Yakatori on Richmond. Yum, yum. Houston's is always a good bet. It is comparable to Capital Grille but has a more local flavor.

Rebekkah (burntbrat), Sunday, 4 June 2006 05:16 (thirteen years ago) link

I was rating Houston's steakhouses. It has nothing to do with authenticity. If I cared about that, I would never go to Houston.

me and deluca (account), Sunday, 4 June 2006 05:30 (thirteen years ago) link

Also, Houston has horrible sushi.

me and deluca (account), Sunday, 4 June 2006 05:31 (thirteen years ago) link

Goode Co. has been slipping in the bbq dept in recent years.

Try Thelma's just east of downtown. You won't forget it.

novamax (novamax), Sunday, 4 June 2006 12:50 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

http://american.com/archive/2008/march-april-magazine-contents/lone-star-rising

(Joel Kotkin alert)

gabbneb, Friday, 28 March 2008 05:08 (twelve years ago) link

three months pass...

saw dude at the Lyle Lovett show tonight wearing Goode Co t-shirt

he probably says it to all the audiences, but Lyle remarked that in his experience, New Yorkers make great Texans

gabbneb, Monday, 30 June 2008 03:35 (eleven years ago) link

reading old city/tourism threads kinda fascinating.

s1ocki, Monday, 30 June 2008 05:22 (eleven years ago) link

three months pass...

Houston living

Mackro Mackro, Thursday, 2 October 2008 23:56 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

I hear there's a store in Houston that has a HUGE selection of Bollywood/Indian flix. Anyone know the name?

Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 24 November 2009 02:57 (ten years ago) link

two months pass...

i'm going in a couple of weeks, so bump more for convenience as it seems to be quite a thorough thread. no idea how much free time i'll have, the rothko chapel and menil collection are probably top of my list should i get enough time to myself, but is there anything which hasn't been covered here already?

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 21 February 2010 18:53 (ten years ago) link

three years pass...

it's possible I could wind up visiting Houston, Austin and Phoenix next year. More far-flung outposts, I would depend on the kindness of drivers.

Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 August 2013 17:35 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

i'm going in a couple of weeks, so bump more for convenience as it seems to be quite a thorough thread. no idea how much free time i'll have, the rothko chapel and menil collection are probably top of my list should i get enough time to myself, but is there anything which hasn't been covered here already?

i have the day to myself in houston today. my plan is more or less the same as lex here - any more tips??

out here like a flopson (tpp), Sunday, 7 December 2014 14:21 (five years ago) link

is the contemporary arts museum worth visiting?

out here like a flopson (tpp), Sunday, 7 December 2014 15:25 (five years ago) link

The CAM is a large box with month-long exhibits. The Fine Arts Museum across the street is good, the De Menil collection a mile or so away is excellent, for permanent exhibits.

TTAGGGTTAGGG (Sanpaku), Sunday, 7 December 2014 16:11 (five years ago) link

thx. rothko chapel & de menil were both great. loved some of the stuff in the surrealist exhibition.

stopped somewhere for lunch on the way back. they seemed to be doing bottomless cocktails and everyone was getting wasted despite the fact there was absolutely no way to get to this place without driving. i don't get this place!

driving back out west to my hotel i saw this lakewood church. man what the hell is that??

out here like a flopson (tpp), Monday, 8 December 2014 01:39 (five years ago) link

It's the largest (in membership) single site church in America, with 43,500 attending attending weekly sermons of prosperity theology. The building is a former basketball arena once known as The Summit.

http://lightingdesignalliance.com/project_images/lakewoodchurch002.jpg

I commuted by it daily and found it deeply repulsive.

TTAGGGTTAGGG (Sanpaku), Monday, 8 December 2014 01:55 (five years ago) link

I figured it was a former hospital by the looks of it.

People drive everywhere in Houston all the time whether wasted or not. It is the driving-est city I have ever experienced (note: I have not experienced L.A.). Also the only city in Texass where I regularly stop for drive-thru margaritas. I heart Triple Shot Tuesdays!!!

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Monday, 8 December 2014 04:44 (five years ago) link

(I figured Lakewood was a former hospital from the outside, that is)

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Monday, 8 December 2014 04:44 (five years ago) link

two years pass...

I knew Houston was a little fucked up since it has NO ZONING LAWS, but I didn't realize how ridiculous it got in some places.

For example, see this nice little residential neighborhood with townhomes and sidewalks? Great place for a CREMATORIUM.

http://i.imgur.com/160lnGH.jpg

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At least when you have parties here, your guests won't have to park on the street.

http://i.imgur.com/jiXQRLq.jpg

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Plenty of parking here, for at least the first 4/5's of your car.

http://i.imgur.com/3FTt9pv.png

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Maybe you're looking for something within walking distance of all the shops....

http://i.imgur.com/Q7UpfUp.jpg

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Imagine a backyard where every day there's a solar eclipse!

http://i.imgur.com/p4c89S7.jpg

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You only thought Dillard's sold everything.

http://i.imgur.com/GjH7AEp.jpg

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And I had to doublecheck, but no, this isn't a screengrab from that Woody Allen movie.

http://i.imgur.com/hbSDlfL.jpg

pplains, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 14:10 (two years ago) link

reasons why limited government is bad, part #27548

i can't stop laughing at ZONE D'EROTICA tho, the d' really classes it up

frankfurters take on new glamour in this gleaming aspic (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 14:18 (two years ago) link

I just realized the name of that place rubs the lack of urban planning in the city's face.

pplains, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 14:23 (two years ago) link

hahaha, Zone D'Erotica is even more hilarious when you know they plunked one right next to the Galleria, one of the most upscale retail areas in the city.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 14:26 (two years ago) link

i've changed my mind, limited government is good again

frankfurters take on new glamour in this gleaming aspic (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 14:31 (two years ago) link

Tbf, I'm pretty sure that crematorium was there before those apartments.

Fun Fact: The Zone D'Erotica building started out as a Roy Rogers burger stand way back when. These days I think it's a Houston 420 shop, although I haven't looked in that direction the last several times I was in the neighborhood.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 14:48 (two years ago) link

Didn't Zone D'Erotica come after the Houston 420 at the Galleria location? I admit I... zone it out and don't really notice anymore. It's just that hilarious prurient retailer next to 610 at the Galleria. It's like all the Planet Ks in Austin, you don't notice them until you need to get your bong fixed.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 14:59 (two years ago) link

As of February 2017, still Zone D'Erotica, per Streetview. It was there dating back to the mid-90s (at least), if memory serves.

Obliterati (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 15:12 (two years ago) link

eight months pass...

Going to Houston for a quick weekend at beginning of June for baseball. Also Looking for Vietnamese, African, Creole/Cajun, and barbecue food ideas.

curmudgeon, Monday, 7 May 2018 04:41 (one year ago) link

rent a car so you can drive to all the good restaurants, which mostly live in strip malls in the vast suburbs ringing the city.

com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Monday, 7 May 2018 14:05 (one year ago) link

yeah a vehicle is a must-have in Houston

preferably an F150 pickup

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Monday, 7 May 2018 15:19 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

So we had a great time in Houston and ate Indian, Ghanaian, African-American Barbecue, Mexican and went to an Astros game, a tour of their stadium, a zydeco & more accordions concert, museums, art car museum and stuff. At a free outdoor funky folk art park we started talking to someone else who was there checking it out. He was a writer for GQ and his article proclaiming Houston the capital of southern cool is now out:

https://www.gq.com/story/houston-restaurants-capital-of-southern-cool

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 12:23 (one year ago) link

What were some of the restaurants you liked? I need to get to know Houston better.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 12:25 (one year ago) link

As others spelled out above, Houston is sprawling and restaurants are spread out in strip malls and neighborhoods all over. We liked the below (Anthony Bourdain featured Himalaya and Burns Original BBQ on his Houston episode)

Afrikiko restaurant- Ghanaian place

Gorditas Aquascalientes -Mexican

La Guadalupana Cafe and Bakery- Mexican

Himalaya Restaurant- Indian and Pakistani

Burns Original Barbeque - African-American

curmudgeon, Thursday, 30 August 2018 01:25 (one year ago) link

I was a fan of Himalaya when I lived in SW Houston. At the time, the general recommendation was to let the 60-something proprietor pick out what he wanted you to eat. The pilaf dishes were huge.

At the time, I would have also called out Caracal (Mexican seafood), Mai's (midtown Vietnamese), Blue Nile (best Ethiopian I've had in 4 cities, not incl. DC), Star Pizza (Chicago style pizza).

Should I ever mend bridges with my mother, I'll drag her to Afrikiko, that sounds fun.

nonderepressible (Sanpaku), Thursday, 30 August 2018 01:41 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

When I was in Houston a little while back, I ran into writer Joe Nick Patoski at a zydeco and Cajun show at a park. He told me he was going to southern soul bar the Silver Slipper. He didn't mention they had live music, just the jukebox. I didn't go. I should have.

http://www.texashighways.com/culture-lifestyle/item/9051-experience-one-of-the-best-live-music-scenes-in-texas-at-houston-s-silver-slipper

curmudgeon, Sunday, 23 September 2018 20:12 (one year ago) link

eight months pass...
nine months pass...

https://i.imgur.com/sYAi983.jpg

pplains, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 15:49 (two weeks ago) link


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