Golf - classic or dud

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Dud, obviously. I mean, there's no player interaction for a start.

DV, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

new boring middleclass social climber answers

DV, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Sorry I'm going to stick up for golf. Golf is CLASSIC! Golf on TV is soothing and pleasant to watch, reminds me of Sunday afternoons as a child watching it with my parents, loads of days at the Irish Open drinking beer and lying around in the sun.

Playing golf is something I won't do till I'm a good bit older but it is the best activity for people as they get older. Very social, not too strenuous, lots of dinners/drinking sessions. I love golf on BBC, Alex Hay is such a polite and good humoured man. There's no sport left on TV with as little glitz as Golf right down to the commentators.

Ah golf.....I even love the rippling applause and the noise when they hit the ball

Ronan, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

The stupidest "sport" ever created, and that's saying a lot. It was probably one of Momus's ancestors that created as a grand art prank on the upper classes.

Nicole, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Peter Allis = satan.

Andrew L, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Golf is great, what other sports enable men to wear pastel shades?

davel, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

classic!!!

its just great, can't explain why exactly, its perfectly sedate to watch, but things do sort of coalesce into being. as for playing, i have to make do with the occasional round of pitch and putt

gareth, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

It's not the golf so much as the sodding golf courses that I mind. Firstly they encourage murder as bodies are always being found on golf courses (well not always but sometimes. Occasionally). Secondly they take up land that could be used for better things. Where I grew up in leafy Bucks it was golf courses a-go-go for all the middle aged commuter men and they put one on top of the pick your own strawberries farm where I used to stuff my face and get sunburnt as a child. Then when I was living in Spain at the povvy end of the Costa del Sol there were severe water shortages so we had no water from 8pm onwards and if you forgot to fill a bath / bucket before you went out you were stuffed but OH LOOK just outside town is the swanky golf course they had some big competition on a few years back and they are sprinklering that all hours of the day grrr. OK so they need them for the tourist euro but still it's irritating.

Rant over.

Emma, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

''Peter Allis = satan.''

am sad i am missing the open (already missed wimbledon and the eng sri lanka test series) but the good thing abt missing the open is not hearing Peter allis' 'commentary'. It's just torture really.

Julio Desouza, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Grew up a bit of a golf nut in the very early eighties -- still think Tom Watson's amazing chip shot in the US Open on the seventeenth hole ranks up there as a Great Moment. But this fascination could well be due to location -- my grandparents lived in Pebble Beach, home of some of the best courses in the States or anywhere, and where that particular Open was held that year. My parents live in Carmel now literally within walking distance from the beach where you can see some of the courses, and seeing the courses and the whole setting is for me just part of home, a nostalgia-of-the-present I can't and won't deny. Don't follow it now beyond knowing Woods is predominant and Els his closest rival (I gather), and I think the urge to create courses in absurdly impractical locations is sad on any number of levels. But visiting Scotland made me appreciate why it was created there and so popular -- plenty of lush greenery, plenty of good space for courses. So why not?

Ned Raggett, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I'll tell you why not! Cos golf courses ruin the natural lush greenery with their horrible landscaping and prevent people who aren't stomping around in silly jumpers from enjoying the countryside!

Emma, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Emma is OTM here. Silly jumpers + vast amounts of environmental degradation = double dud.

RickyT, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Are you referring to Scotland or England here? (I'm not being snarky, I'm honestly curious -- I was under the impression that most of the Scottish courses have been around for many a moon anyway, so they're the landscape by default now.)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I'm not sure that most of the courses in Scotland *are* that old, and there's been a big explosion in golf course construction in England over the last twenty years or so. The area round my parents house in Yorkshire is covered with the damn things, many of them having replaced the few bits of uncultivated land that remained in the area.

RickyT, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Golf = men in pastel diamond knit tank tops = Classic

davel, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I think golf evolved in scotland as a way of using naturally occuring coastal scrub land.

They then started creating artificial coastal scrubland all over the world.

apparently American golf courses are more "artificial" than Irish & Scottish ones, and there is some pressure on courses over here to become less natural so as to appeal to yankee dollar.

but whatever, it's all golf = all boring middle class men off playing their boring game and cosying up to the boss over a few gin and tonics and then drink driving home.

DV, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Ronans answer is my answer as well. Classic. Having a golf course around sure beats having a soccer pitch, baseball diamond, basketball court etc etc around.

The fact that there is no player interaction only increases the enjoyment of the game for me. Sublime and no jock0's around to spoil your day.

lawrence kansas, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

As a matter of fact I shall be hitting the links (as we say) Saturday afternoon.

golfing with the boss=dud, which is why almost nobody does it.

lawrence kansas, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I hate golf. Last Sunday whilst walking in the park talking to my mother and aunt whilst taking our dogs round a park that boarders on a golf course, a very rude old man starting telling us to be quiet as he wanted to tee off. Git. So, we just talked more loudly (we weren't shouting in the first place). So, anyway golf courses are evil. It is all fun shouting "skin" is you hear a golfer shout "fore".

jel --, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Tiger's petulant bitching at the photographers is by itself sufficient proof of ultimate dud-ness. Two words for all golfers, squatting to line up their putts as a reverential hush falls over the gallery: SWING BATTER!!

briania, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Golf = hawaiian shirts. DO keep up! Classic obv.

Jeff W, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

leave us golfers alone!!! you can have your extreme in your face lets eat a gallon of high fructose corn syrup while we make funny faces sports. we just want to be left alone!!!

lawrence kansas, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Golf itself=neither classic or dud.

My husband streaking across golf courses at sunrise in the early 70's=classic.

Christine "Green Leafy Dragon" Indigo, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

He has defiled the game I love. I weep.

lawrence kansas, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I'm with Mark Twain ("a good walk spoiled"). Dull, badly-dressed people playing a boring sport that has been dominated by upper class WASPs.

Martin Skidmore, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I'll be hitting the links on Sunday. Can't stand to watch the sport on T.V. but enjoy playing. Plus it makes a great drinking game when your playing with your friends.

Chris, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I openly challenge Tiger Woods to a fight -- anywhere, anytime. Golf is the worst.

Kris, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

how can a sport you essentially play by yourself be dominated by anybody (upper middle class WASPs or whoever)?

lawrence kansas, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Golf = classic. Tiger = Super-Classic.

Dan Perry, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Golf-Huge amounts of land cleared out so that people can hit a ball around-D

Miniture Golf- A good time for druken teenagers on a Saturday Night. Watch where your standing at the ramp over water hole, I was hit with a flying ball and got a bruised collar bone. It was funny till the booze wore off...

brg30, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

'Peter Allis = Satan' = the strangest and silliest statement I've ever seen; I can hardly think of anyone harder to despise. The man is a god.

Classic Allis - Hay exchange from yesterday;

Allis (lamenting Seve's withdrawal due to being rubbish now): 'I'm afraid there aren't too many things you get better at as you get older'.

Hay: 'Sweeping?'.

Ally C, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I don't know their names but.

today they showed a bunch of CLIPS together [highlights, perhaps] with some krazy 'dance' music over the top.

one commentator: is that the sort of music you like to dance to?

another commentator: no, actually. I'm more of a gavotte-merchant.

I have an inkling that the another one was allis. if so: AllyC is OTM.

RJG, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

ben wright's comments about women's breasts getting in the way of their swing was pretty classic. i like how another name for the mullet is 'lpga'.

keith, Saturday, 20 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Bah Peter Allis is a 19th hole saloon bar reactionary sexist BORE who thinks that the 'little woman' shld never be allowed near a golf course and who in interviews makes dull and predictable comments abt the 'menace' of political correctness (which just means he can't tell his racist jokes anymore...)

Andrew L, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Golf is classic because Jesper Parnevik plays it.

Ally, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Yes the land is all "ruined". Of course!

Ronan, Monday, 22 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

walter benjamin to thread!!

mark s, Monday, 22 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

AllyC is, as he so often is, bang OTM.

and the end of the open yesterday was rather thrilling

chris, Monday, 22 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Commentary during a lull in yesterday's final round (which, contrary to most, I found infinitely less entertainng than when the leaders were shedding shots like confetti in Saturday's gale in front of no spectators whatsoever):

Allis: A mention to Mrs [x] who's just about recovered now from the shock of the burglary. I hope they catch the culprits soon.
Hay: Terrible. [Proceeds to say something about appropriate capital punishment to apply when they are caught]
Allis: Ooh no, surely a bit of flogging first. So the punishment lasts longer.
Hay: Oh yes, of course.

Jeff W, Monday, 22 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...
Lehman Vaginal Overload, "Pin High (Parnevik's Panda Remix)"

Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 19 July 2003 12:29 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Ronan909: the american dudes are like "hi sam, you've got a tan"
z3mk0: "yes well done beverley you were right"
thegardencentre: american commentators are like that for every sport though
thegardencentre: in fact ther news too
Ronan909: yeah zemko, and everytime someone wins and the wife comes on camera he goes
"now you can have that new kitchen love"
thegardencentre: "and a difficult genocide in central africa pete"
z3mk0: haha
*************: that's pretty OTM
Ronan909: he's said it at least three times
thegardencentre: "yes, a tricky situation for the malawians lesley"
*************: "that's right bob"
Ronan909: seve ballesteros was a great commentator
Ronan909: when he did it
Ronan909: is he on again this time
z3mk0: yesterday they werre discussing wind pattertsn and one said "he's talkign out his isobarse"
Ronan909: haha
cozenyo: haha
z3mk0: i was shocked!
thegardencentre: "1500 a day dead dave, the strike rate is rising"
Ronan909: it is so great, the best hangover tv ever
cozenyo: PARTAY tv
Ronan909: "war in iraq, wrap up warm folks"
thegardencentre: COMEDOWN TV
thegardencentre: HANGOVER TV
thegardencentre: PARTAAAAY TV
Ronan909: payne stewart
Ronan909: i miss him
thegardencentre: yea:-(
*************: "too bad about the fire that killed 15, ted"
z3mk0: bring the payne
Ronan909: haha
thegardencentre: too bad i fucked your wife pacey
Ronan909: FORE!
*************: :-)

gareth (gareth), Saturday, 19 July 2003 12:57 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Ronan909: people should shout fore at raves
Ronan909: and wear golf clothes
*************: hahaha
cozenyo: you don;t?
*************: walk around with golf clubs
Ronan909: i do now
z3mk0: glow clubs
*************: and tee off
thegardencentre: peopel should weaer plus fours at raves
Ronan909: tee up on stage
Ronan909: plus 4s as in
Ronan909: turn up the pitch
thegardencentre: haha, i notice ed is being markedly silent!!!;-)
cozenyo: ian woosnam's so weird
Ronan909: you wave them at the dj
z3mk0: the big raver pants are already in effect!
z3mk0: kinda
*************: you use the clubs to adjust the lighting
Ronan909: people do wear golf visers
Ronan909: already
z3mk0: when i go raving i take a caddy
thegardencentre: there is a photo of me in a gold visor winging its way towards ilx
Ronan909: i have visions of homelands with 10000 people all in cheque trousers and sleeveless pringle sweaters
z3mk0: in a little buggy
thegardencentre: i need a new caddy
thegardencentre: my last one got uppity
z3mk0: and he hands me diff drugs and water and stuff
*************: david thomas from pere ubu/rftt uses his cane as a weapon... it's a little frightening
Ronan909: "i reckon you need to take the white mitsubishi this time zemko"
Ronan909: "the next hour could be tricky, have a pint"
thegardencentre: hah, this is a challenging rotterdam track, caddy hand me another half wrap of whizz, the bpm is realy high on this one
z3mk0: and waits patiently in the revving car while i dance in fornt of him
Ronan909: i fired my caddy after i passed out one time
Ronan909: he gave me a 7 iron when i needed some vodka
Ronan909: "a challenging rotterdam track"
*************: i'm going to open a club called "caddyshack"
thegardencentre: caddyshack is the best film ever!"
thegardencentre: apart from caddyshack 2

gareth (gareth), Saturday, 19 July 2003 12:58 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Tiger Woods should drink farm cider.

Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 19 July 2003 14:01 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i'm not sure if i want to know whether ILx chat transcripts are real or not. ah, mystery.

i hit golf balls this week. i have more natural ability at it than most other things that involve hitting balls. fun. and v. satisfying when you actually get it up in the air and far away. though i usually don't get quite as much distance as others. dunno if that's a strength thing or a technique thing (or the stella i had?). not too much exercise if you're just driving, though.

(we never heard of Africa in America, btw. TS: chatty, bubbleheaded non-news v. snide content.)

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 19 July 2003 15:52 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

doesn't Tolkien say that one of Bilbo Baggins's ancestors was the inventor of golf?

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 19 July 2003 15:52 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

dud for land and water-use issues alone. have any of you been to Arizona? it's fucking horrifying.

g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Saturday, 19 July 2003 16:09 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

as an AZ resident I can attest to that and then some

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 19 July 2003 16:20 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

ten months pass...
wentworth.

I've started playing again recently too and my handicaps gone down from a 14 to about an 11/10 - played ardeer and carded an 84 (an unecessary 7 [!!!], and three unecessary 6s) but shoulda been a 79. that is playing to handicap I guess (it was 14) but I reckon markers would have given me the 7 and 6s as 5s (taking into account the rest of my card.)

I love golf.

soft hands!

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

talk about golf.

do you like it? do you play? are you watching wentworth? will you play golf with me?

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'd love to play some golf! But I need to work on my 1) putting 2) short game and 3) long game. And by "work on" I mean "gain even minimal competency."

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

haha yeah, I don't think any 14 yo is posting on ilx these days tho'

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 14 April 2019 18:51 (one week ago) Permalink

*Principal Skinner voice* Prove me wrong kids!

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 14 April 2019 18:51 (one week ago) Permalink

take the zing, move on

imago, Sunday, 14 April 2019 18:52 (one week ago) Permalink

are you ok, woke boy?

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 14 April 2019 18:55 (one week ago) Permalink

I can't really defend him as a person--he's done horrible things, and I found that photo of him, Nicklaus, and Trump a few weeks ago nauseating.

But he single-handedly renewed my interest in golf when he arrived in the mid-'90s, and his dominance for the next decade was like nothing I've ever seen (I suppose there have been tennis players just as dominant). And it did matter that he's black. I wanted to see him catch Nicklaus, and when everything fell apart, that felt like an unfinished story. Still a longshot, but after today, it doesn't feel like an unfinished story anymore.

All of that, for me--a fan--easily outweighs his personal life. His kids have every right to hate him, but he's not my dad; his ex-wife has every right to hate him, but he didn't cheat on me. He didn't break laws, I don't think, and I believe his 3,000 mistresses were all consensual.

clemenza, Sunday, 14 April 2019 19:05 (one week ago) Permalink

I hated Faldo too and I have no idea about his personal life.

Do you like 70s hard rock with a guitar hero? (Tom D.), Sunday, 14 April 2019 19:08 (one week ago) Permalink

xyzzzz_ and imago to play a round of golf this summer

alrakis morissette (tangenttangent), Sunday, 14 April 2019 19:08 (one week ago) Permalink

Also xp to Clemenza - that’s fair enough! I love R.D.Laing whilst accepting him at the biggest hypocrite and worst family man ever.

alrakis morissette (tangenttangent), Sunday, 14 April 2019 19:10 (one week ago) Permalink

The fact that Woods' physical problems seem to be self-inflicted, stemming from him playing soldiers, makes his coming back from them less romantic. But 11 years without a major title is definitely remarkable.

He is also very obviously a total tadger of a man and a boring bastard,but plenty golfers are

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Sunday, 14 April 2019 19:20 (one week ago) Permalink

Kinda feel the rest of golf should hang its head when it loses to a broken 43 year old playing at 80%.

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Sunday, 14 April 2019 19:32 (one week ago) Permalink

agree with clemenza

find suspect this talk of liking golf but wishing tiger weren’t performing well, but this is ilx

k3vin k., Sunday, 14 April 2019 19:46 (one week ago) Permalink

I don't know what's suspect about it but, yes, golfers are generally a boring bunch.

Do you like 70s hard rock with a guitar hero? (Tom D.), Sunday, 14 April 2019 19:50 (one week ago) Permalink

Winning older does happen now and then. Of course Nicklaus and then in other sports like tennis or snooker. It certainly happens.

I can't really defend him as a person--he's done horrible things, and I found that photo of him, Nicklaus, and Trump a few weeks ago nauseating.

But he single-handedly renewed my interest in golf when he arrived in the mid-'90s, and his dominance for the next decade was like nothing I've ever seen (I suppose there have been tennis players just as dominant). And it did matter that he's black. I wanted to see him catch Nicklaus, and when everything fell apart, that felt like an unfinished story. Still a longshot, but after today, it doesn't feel like an unfinished story anymore.

All of that, for me--a fan--easily outweighs his personal life. His kids have every right to hate him, but he's not my dad; his ex-wife has every right to hate him, but he didn't cheat on me. He didn't break laws, I don't think, and I believe his 3,000 mistresses were all consensual.

― clemenza, Sunday, 14 April 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I get that, but what I was getting at is "hardly the worst person out there" is not the best grounds, exactly, because what if it was a lot worse, for one. As it is I don't care he slept around or whatever, but its the persona as expressed in the field -- there is a lack of feeling or even enjoyment (and when there is its just fucking ugly to watch). Of course some of the shots were great and he was the one composed at the 12th...so fine.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 14 April 2019 19:53 (one week ago) Permalink

I don't know what's suspect about it but, yes, golfers are generally a boring bunch.

― Do you like 70s hard rock with a guitar hero? (Tom D.), Sunday, April 14, 2019 3:50 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I mean he’s clearly the most exciting, galvanizing, and decorated player of the past twenty years, and him being good is good for golf

k3vin k., Sunday, 14 April 2019 19:55 (one week ago) Permalink

I didn't know there was a Nicklaus, Tiger and Trump photo...wish I hadn't gone down this road..

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 14 April 2019 19:55 (one week ago) Permalink

(xp) and I suppose Cristiano Ronaldo being good is 'good for football' but I can't stand him either.

Do you like 70s hard rock with a guitar hero? (Tom D.), Sunday, 14 April 2019 19:57 (one week ago) Permalink

right, I mean I hated kobe bryant, and his fans, but I respected his game and loved rooting against him

k3vin k., Sunday, 14 April 2019 19:59 (one week ago) Permalink

I understand the automaton/robot argument (if I'm understanding you right), even if I don't share it--I always found him expressive/emotive on the golf course to a degree I was comfortable with. But I've felt that way about a few baseball players, so I can see that.

clemenza, Sunday, 14 April 2019 20:00 (one week ago) Permalink

id to go deal with family stuff and watch on delay with all contact off

basically watching schrodingers tiger

fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Sunday, 14 April 2019 20:11 (one week ago) Permalink

Cool. The thing is (unless they do something horrible) I am not going to know that much about a sports person beyond the odd post-match interview. Mostly work with what I see while they are doing the thing they are known for.

Ronaldo is another good example. Goal scoring machine I want to see the back of. But there is something else about Woods...hard to pin down. xp

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 14 April 2019 20:14 (one week ago) Permalink

hes rich

fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Sunday, 14 April 2019 20:15 (one week ago) Permalink

what i enjoyed, all the ryder cup bros hugging it out and then poulter.. actually looking away while offering this limp fuck off hand, pure keano

fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Sunday, 14 April 2019 20:18 (one week ago) Permalink

hes rich

― fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Sunday, 14 April 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that ain't it chief

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 14 April 2019 20:33 (one week ago) Permalink

you say that but who dyou like thats rich like

fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Sunday, 14 April 2019 20:38 (one week ago) Permalink

lj

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 14 April 2019 20:40 (one week ago) Permalink

second best beautiful redemption tale of the evening

fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Sunday, 14 April 2019 20:43 (one week ago) Permalink

thing about Tiger is, and same applies to Cron or Kobe or take your pick of a sport, the beauty of his ability crosses out any kind of bullshit idiot moral argument about deserving to win. the whole fucking point of sport is skill = ethics

blah blah shit is complicated but if you hate Tiger go fucking shoot yourself in the face is how i break it down to some extent

The Gapes of Wrath (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 14 April 2019 20:43 (one week ago) Permalink

xyzzzz__: Would your dislike be tied into what tangenttangent was saying, the insanely disproportionate attention paid to Tiger for a decade, like no other golfer (with the possible exception of Mickelson, and occasional flashes like Garcia) existed? It was indeed wearing, but from a business standpoint--what he did for television in terms of ratings and sponsorship--I can understand that. I don't know how the early start time will figure in, but I bet the ratings for today will be off-the-chart.

clemenza, Sunday, 14 April 2019 20:50 (one week ago) Permalink

Gonna shoot half of my face down.

To NV and xp clemenza: I don't see a lot of beauty there. A lot of the time he is hacking away at a golf course. Might have helped if he had a near equal (like Federer had Nadal). Today was unlike any of his wins in that there was a duel there, so I saw something else.

The media focus was bad but you can comprehend that as he was so dominant.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 14 April 2019 20:58 (one week ago) Permalink

thing about Tiger is, and same applies to Cron or Kobe or take your pick of a sport, the beauty of his ability crosses out any kind of bullshit idiot moral argument about deserving to win. the whole fucking point of sport is skill = ethics

I'll take my pick of Stephen Hendry then. All of this time I should have been cheering him on.

Do you like 70s hard rock with a guitar hero? (Tom D.), Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:04 (one week ago) Permalink

surely the Federer of golf is yrself/the media/the outside???

i know it's more complicated than this and i'm too battered to work it thru right now but i sincerely thought he was done as recently as two years ago and didn't deserve to be done and uggh, narratives, and i wanted Molinari to do it, but that was a sweet resurrection

The Gapes of Wrath (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:07 (one week ago) Permalink

i feel the same about Hendry as well Tom! it's easy to do the "genius is boring" story but fuck it, sometimes being the best is a fact of life

The Gapes of Wrath (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:09 (one week ago) Permalink

Ok that's too far, nv

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:09 (one week ago) Permalink

:D :D

The Gapes of Wrath (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:10 (one week ago) Permalink

i think i'm still carrying the guilt of hating Steve Davis before he turned out to be a jazz funk maven tbh jim

The Gapes of Wrath (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:12 (one week ago) Permalink

Might have helped if he had a near equal

Skill-wise, I think he probably did. But the most fascinating thing to me during that decade was how deeply he had gotten into the heads of everyone else, Mickelsen especially. Today felt a little like that: with the exception of Johnson, everyone else seemed to fall apart as soon as they looked to be in it. That's to Tiger's credit, I think.

clemenza, Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:16 (one week ago) Permalink

(And I realize that happens in majors in general--but it was even more pronounced when Tiger was #1.)

clemenza, Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:18 (one week ago) Permalink

btw Faldo was infinitely more cuntish than any sports peep i csn think of

The Gapes of Wrath (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:20 (one week ago) Permalink

Not sure I think Molinari was digging himself out throughout the round until he finally couldn't on the 12th -- and he played the shot before Tiger. it's true Tiger got into ppl's heads but so did Fed, but Nadal met that challenge.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:22 (one week ago) Permalink

Things like this--released minutes after-the-fact--don't help, I'll agree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx9fadoL9oU

clemenza, Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:25 (one week ago) Permalink

it's unfortunate that Woods is the only top flight golfer ruthlessly manipulated by corporate sponsors, yeah

The Gapes of Wrath (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:27 (one week ago) Permalink

I started watching golf when Faldo beat Norman at the masters but that was sorta it for him, then the Tiger era started.

The comparison with the Hendry years is spot on really but that only lasted about five years before Ronnie broke through and Ken Doherty beat Hendry at the world's in '97. And then you had Higgins and Williams too so Hendry had competition and there were some classic finals!

Tiger just felt longer and he was on his own it seemed. Genius but what's in it for me man?!

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:29 (one week ago) Permalink

I'll give Nike credit for sticking with him at a time when scandal gets you shown the door immediately, even if I know it probably had little to do with loyalty and was just a financial risk/reward calculation that seems to have worked out.

clemenza, Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:31 (one week ago) Permalink

I honestly felt a bit emotional watching him win. So he isn't a good person or a role model. Are we all really so perfect or charismatic or well-rounded?

He has had a strange life and the pressure cooker of celebrity in America doesn't exactly treat people so well, not least after a public meltdown like Tiger's.

This piece is very long but really gives context to today - his dad died, he lost his shit badly, he was injured and his body was in ruins, he fucked up his own life and made lots of stupid decisions. Somehow, and I'd say even just the physical side of it alone is remarkable, he has managed to claw his way back.

The ambiguity of his character makes it all the more interesting.

http://www.espn.co.uk/espn/feature/story/_/id/15278522/how-tiger-woods-life-unraveled-years-father-earl-woods-death

FernandoHierro, Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:32 (one week ago) Permalink

Tiger just felt longer and he was on his own it seemed. Genius but what's in it for me man?!

i've definitely enjoyed the post-Tiger gold world in the same way that i enjoyed the post-Hendry snooker world (and Ronnie, who is above and beyond either, has his own story exactly because he's better than machine precision) but given all the weirdness of race/class/cheering for alt option/you know what i mean, fairy stories

all that, anyway, the Tiger resurrection is a great story also all things considered i think he's the best player of his game of all time and this is a welcome next chapter

The Gapes of Wrath (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:40 (one week ago) Permalink

gold = golf lol

The Gapes of Wrath (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:41 (one week ago) Permalink

This is amazing. I'd have bet anything, 2-3 years ago, that this would never happen.

rip van wanko, Sunday, 14 April 2019 23:36 (one week ago) Permalink

Such a great tourney. Felt like old all the chumps folding around the goat.

but I can't let Trae do it I got Huerter on my mind (Spottie), Sunday, 14 April 2019 23:44 (one week ago) Permalink

So much else to talk about today, I don't think I heard what used to be an ongoing story mentioned even once (maybe I missed it): this was the first time Tiger came from behind to win a major. Three times he was tied going into Sunday, every other time he teed off with the lead (anywhere from 1 to 10 strokes).

clemenza, Monday, 15 April 2019 02:41 (one week ago) Permalink

Yah they talked about it quite a bit on the broadcast here

but I can't let Trae do it I got Huerter on my mind (Spottie), Monday, 15 April 2019 02:54 (one week ago) Permalink


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