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I just watched the shining again. Is this movie about the revenge of dead Indian souls or just evil possesion?

Mike Hanle y, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

The SHINNING.

It's about Stanley Kubrick being a pretentious twerp, and Jack Nicholson & Shelley Duvall over-acting. Scatman Crothers, though, saves this flick from COMPLETE uselessness.

David Raposa, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

YOu know I was thinking, I might actually like it more if NIcholson and Duvall were replaced by some other lesser known actors. You see Nicholson and hes not scarey so much as rascally, and Duvall is just annoying.

Mike Hanle y, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Yay Scatman Crothers! Drives eight million miles in a milkfloat just to get chopped in the chest with a fire-axe!! He also has the same poster on his bedroom wall as Chef in South Park. Sub-thread q. Name the first Indian Burial Ground movie... (for london readers: plaguepit = uk equiv of indian bg...)

mark s, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Just bought the DVD over the weekend; the transfer is quite disappointing--might as well be VHS. The documentary was interesting though. I think Kubrick really disliked Duvall, there wasn't one positive exchange in the docu between them. Directors sometimes prod actors to get more of a reaction out of them on film, maybe that was what he was doing, but it seemed to be a genuine irritation.

I still say it's a great film, at the very least visually speaking. The symmetrical corridors, the maze, the quick splicing of those ugly little girls. Brilliant trailer, which is simply the elevator/blood sequence with credits scrolling past. Nicholson's overacting is total classic. The last scenes as Duvall's running around the hotel are a bit too much. Anyway, I was watching it again and I think one of the best scenes in the film is the one in the bathroom with Delbert Grady, as "Midnight with the Stars and You" plays outside in the ballroom. I love how when they first bump into each other, Grady seems like a kindly butler-sort, but when Jack calls him on his past, he suddenly shifts to effectively sinister.

Joe, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

the shining is ace.

ethan, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

The Shining is CLASSIC. Of course in hindsight you sort of cringe because now Jackie does overact. I love it. It's about being cut off from society and tricycles! Weeee! Not those damn steps (or whatever you call'em) which daft cunts use these days.... sometimes even on trains.
How about Altman's Popeye film with S. Duval? Christ that flick scared the shit outa me.

nathalie (nathalie), Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

red rum, red rum.

Geoff, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Its pretty amazing that although the whole film is very brightly lit, its still creepy as hell. Whats up with that ghost in the wierd bunny outfit!?

Mike Hanle y, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

But Mark, I can't think of a single horror story related to plague pits. Please enlighten me.

DG, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I was hoping someone else wd have an answer!! I don't know of any Brit movies abt it. There was an episode of Doomwatch, in the late60s/early 70s. The film abt cannibals on the underground: they are also disease-infested, tho not specifically plague. Quatermass and the Pit sorta skirts round the idea, before haring off after martians (same as I wd, but still). There is a short story by Clive Barker, in the Books of Blood (book one, I think), which is absolutely precisely exactly abt it, and is probably what got me obsessing abt it in the first place.

mark s, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

The Shining - classic. Second scariest movie ever made (first = Suspiria.)

Plague movies, hmmm... Wot abt 'Plague of Zombies' (1966 Hammer flick) - years since I've seen it, can't remember much abt it, poss. plague zombiefication involved tho'. And don't recall an Indian burial ground flick before 'Poltergeist'.

Andrew L, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

the shining is classic.

sundar subramanian, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Classic because i think it was Kubricks response to his blocks. Plus it is one of a very few movies i can stand Nicholson in .

anthony, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

The Shining sucks, it's not even scary.

Ally, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Ally, do you think ANY horror movies are scary?

Andrew L, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I love this topic. There is one frightening movie that I have seen not too long ago and that was the Prophecy. Has anyone seen it? Christopher Walken was the actor... Very chilling! Gale

Gale Deslongchamps, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Ally, do you think ANY horror movies are scary

No, I'm unfortunately very jaded. My mom forced me to watch The Exorcist when I was like 4, what can I say?

Ally, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Jack can do no wrong.

Neither can Krzysztof Penderecki (gotta stick up fer fellow Polacks with a name unpronounceable by Anglophones!)

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
The miniseries version is running on Sci-Fi. OMG, this is awful.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 29 April 2004 02:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Stephen King loved it because it was blindly faithful to the book. Meh.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 29 April 2004 02:23 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

stephen king sure doesn't have a good track record when it comes to having anything to do with tv mini-serieseseses.

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 29 April 2004 02:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

isn't steven weber in this one?

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 29 April 2004 02:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Not only is he in it, but he tries to do a Jack Nicholson impression every once in a while!

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 29 April 2004 02:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

It occurs to me that the guys from Wings are popular in King series - the Stand, the Shining, the winter storm one. Is Tony Shalhoub going to be in the next one?

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 29 April 2004 02:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

what about the pretty lady?

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 29 April 2004 02:38 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I don't remember that much about Wings.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 29 April 2004 02:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

king always loves movies when they stick close to his books. he hated "the shining" so he remade it into a version that he felt was closer. "pet sematary" was a piece of shit too but he loved it because it followed his (admittedly pretty good) novel almost to the letter.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 29 April 2004 03:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

stephen king sure doesn't have a good track record when it comes to having anything to do with tv mini-serieseseses.

Wha? I don't know about you, but Salem's Lot scared the shit out of me when I first saw it.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 29 April 2004 03:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i don't know about you, but i never saw it!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 29 April 2004 03:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I saw a Stephen King-approved Carrie TV movie. That was TERRIBLE.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 29 April 2004 04:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

can't wait for the "stand by me" mini-series with jonathan lipnicki, jonathan taylor thomas, brian austin green and the guy who played jonathan in buffy!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 29 April 2004 04:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Watched the last thirty minutes of the Shining miniseries. Yep, now I remember why I hated it in '97.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 29 April 2004 04:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I dropped it to watch some Dawson's Creek reruns. Jen was mega-hot the last season.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 29 April 2004 05:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Stephen King isn't very scary so there

Frank Swedehead, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 20:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Its pretty amazing that although the whole film is very brightly lit, its still creepy as hell. Whats up with that ghost in the wierd bunny outfit!?

-- Ehh, I rewatched this a few nights ago. When Shelley's running through the Overlook at the end of the film there's this sudden snap-zoom and all of a sudden a fat man in a bear-suit giving a bloody blow-job fills the frame. It lasts for about four seconds, and it's creepy as shit. I was with watching this with Jon William in Rochester a few years ago and I was stoned as could be and thought I was hallucinating the scene. No dice, though.

Jeremy Coombs (Atila the Honeybun), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 20:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"pet sematary" was a piece of shit too but he loved it because it followed his (admittedly pretty good) novel almost to the letter.

One good scene (the funeral argument) does not a good book make! I found the whole thing boring and stupid.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 20:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

no one buries pets in a graveyard thats just stupid, mosta the time they are put into stew

OldHickBill, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 20:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Scatman Crothers!

http://www.mechaex.com/wmd/JAZZ.jpg

Hero Worship (Barima), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm a Scatman bad a bid up a boo buddah, oh thats scatman john

ScatmanJohnFanclub Hostess, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i watched the movie and thought it was really bad as i was reading the book i got really scared! its so descriptive ...

CAss (CAss), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 22:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I liked how the book put you in the kid's head more than Kubrick's film, but the end was (in typical King fashion) pretty weak.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 22:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Made it through the first 1:50 before I started nodding off tonight.

Compared to the book, now, the only thing I miss is any sort of balance to Jack - even the minor moments of being a loving/caring human being. Everything else Kubrick changed or eliminated seem right on, though.

Seriously one of the most chilling movies right up through meeting Grady in the ballroom/bathroom - that kills all the momentum and drama (poss. I just know what's going to happen). The disassociation caused by the overacting music and framing create tension even in innocuous scenes, but it doesn't work when Kubrick tries to be more traditional, you just start noticing that Shelley Duvall has huge fucking eyes.

The naked black women in Scatman Crothers' bachelor pad are almost as great as the masked biker men in The Royal Tenenbaums.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 9 May 2004 08:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Didn't scare me the first time I saw it, but it gets worse and worse on every viewing, and last time I tried (couple of months ago, on a tuesday afternoon) I had to stop halfway through. For me, it's scary cos having somebody be angry with you is scary, and...Jack's angry with me.

And yeah, the aniaml-outfit-fellatio thing is really really freaky. In the book, it turns out the guy he's sucking off is the owner of the hotel. The owner of the hotel is called Horace Derwent. He's got the same (not particularly common) surname as me. So I shat myself when I read that.

JimD (JimD), Sunday, 9 May 2004 10:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"And yeah, the aniaml-outfit-fellatio thing is really really freaky. In the book, it turns out the guy he's sucking off is the owner of the hotel"

yeah, i think it actually works better in the movie because its so inexplicable.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 10 May 2004 00:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"pet sematary" was a piece of shit too but he loved it because it followed his (admittedly pretty good) novel almost to the letter.
One good scene (the funeral argument) does not a good book make! I found the whole thing boring and stupid.

Well, I just disagree. I liked it because it was just a really creepy update of the monkey's paw. the parts with dead children and the nightime journey to the indian burial ground were really effective to me.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 10 May 2004 00:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

ANYWAY, miloauckerman OTM.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 10 May 2004 00:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
http://waxy.org/random/video/shining_redux.mov

Mädchen (Madchen), Thursday, 29 September 2005 14:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

That's really good.

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Thursday, 29 September 2005 16:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

ran a local movie this morning for some middle schoolers on a field trip, about an arrogant haole-boy champion surfer who wipes out during a competition in waikiki and warps to 1911, where he's rescued by and befriends duke kahanamoku and in becoming one of duke's crew (under the name "ghost") learns the true meaning of surfing. at the end, back in the present against his will, he visits the waikiki restaurant duke's, where his pov gives the movie its final shot: a slow dolly in on a framed b&w photograph of duke and buddies standing with monogrammed surfboards, GHOST gazing out alongside them. haha

le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 26 May 2016 04:40 (two years ago) Permalink

this is insane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AupAFblRwgY
drag your mouse to move

ulysses, Tuesday, 31 May 2016 19:27 (two years ago) Permalink

Is this something I should watch using one of those virtual reality headgear things?

calstars, Tuesday, 31 May 2016 19:35 (two years ago) Permalink

i didn't! i also didn't watch for more than five minutes but skip around!

ulysses, Tuesday, 31 May 2016 19:36 (two years ago) Permalink

whoa

circa1916, Tuesday, 31 May 2016 19:45 (two years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Just found this on the street!

http://i.imgur.com/UtURBFW.jpg

calstars, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 23:36 (two years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

Didn't like Room 237 quite as much the second time. There was one guy--his theory was vaguer than the others, and he had a habit of pausing and then laughing at his own commentary (the guy with a son who was out of work)--who started to get on my nerves. The most compelling theory to me is the Native American one, which I notice is proposed in this thread's very first post.

clemenza, Sunday, 18 December 2016 20:45 (two years ago) Permalink

native american thing is compelling cuz it's just a theme in the movie like any other theme in any other movie. i don't think it's the center but it's there and it harmonizes w other themes. the other theories are occult+totalizing and (at least in the case of the moon landing) seem to involve the movie Actually being about something that has nothing to do w what it's pretending to be about, which is a less impressive concept to me than, yknow, a successful piece of art.

difficult listening hour, Sunday, 18 December 2016 20:54 (two years ago) Permalink

Just found this on the street!

🗻

scarier than the movie iirc

Iago Galdston, Sunday, 18 December 2016 21:26 (two years ago) Permalink

i passed Garrett Brown, inventor of the Steadicam, on his way into the Linc Ctr cinema last night. (ie he ran behind Danny in the maze)

no one tell clemenza

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 December 2016 03:45 (two years ago) Permalink

(ie he ran behind Danny in the maze)

wearing, never forget, danny-shoes

difficult listening hour, Monday, 19 December 2016 03:46 (two years ago) Permalink

you can still see The Shining in 35mm on NYE in NYC.

http://www.filmlinc.org/series/going-steadi-40-years-of-steadicam/#films

It is, of course, almost the worst film in that series.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 December 2016 03:52 (two years ago) Permalink

Xanadu must be much better than I've been led to believe.

rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Monday, 19 December 2016 04:17 (two years ago) Permalink

Didn't like Room 237 quite as much the second time. There was one guy--his theory was vaguer than the others, and he had a habit of pausing and then laughing at his own commentary (the guy with a son who was out of work)--who started to get on my nerves.

― clemenza, Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:45 PM (eight hours ago)

Nah, that guy is awesome. His theories on the syncs, the wipes, the dissolves, and the forwards and backwards theory was incredibly compelling. Plus the Playgirl mag.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 19 December 2016 05:24 (two years ago) Permalink

The one who annoyed me was the architect (?) who claimed to have been mind-blown by the layout of the Overlook the first time she saw the film. Not because she didn't have something interesting to say, but rather because I sincerely doubt that even someone who is fascinated by architecture would notice a minor structural oddity on a first viewing.

rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Monday, 19 December 2016 05:27 (two years ago) Permalink

The masterstroke in this is when the babe in the bathtub becomes sick grandma. Nothing is more frightening to the male psyche than the realization that all flesh is mortal.

calstars, Monday, 19 December 2016 23:16 (two years ago) Permalink

? I thought that might have been the professor in the film, but it's not...The course he teaches is Bio137!

clemenza, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 14:55 (two years ago) Permalink

it's the kid in The Shining

heaven parker (anagram), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 15:01 (two years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

stephen king: listen this hotel is fucked up
stanley kubrick: indeed, if these walls could talk, we walk around looking the other way from the suffering, death and horror that takes root in our lives, the foundations our society is built upon
stephen king: NO THE HOTEL IS EVIL

— i'm camille! (@_girltype) December 6, 2017

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 December 2017 15:56 (one year ago) Permalink

hee

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 8 December 2017 01:07 (one year ago) Permalink

still think Jack & co. would have fared better at a la Quinta or Best Western

fuiud, mac (rip van wanko), Friday, 8 December 2017 01:57 (one year ago) Permalink

“All the best people”

calstars, Friday, 8 December 2017 02:55 (one year ago) Permalink

I remember one of the HS friends i saw it with opening night called Barry Nelson (Ullman) "Reagan."

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 December 2017 03:01 (one year ago) Permalink

three months pass...

2 20s and 2 10s
I was afraid
They’d be there til
next April

calstars, Sunday, 25 March 2018 02:24 (one year ago) Permalink

and all the irreparable harm it's caused me.

difficult listening hour, Sunday, 25 March 2018 02:30 (one year ago) Permalink

They’d be there
Til next April

calstars, Sunday, 25 March 2018 02:44 (one year ago) Permalink

three months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVlXbS0SNqk

MaresNest, Thursday, 5 July 2018 10:58 (nine months ago) Permalink

exposing the eeriness inherent in hotels

Rabbit Control (Latham Green), Thursday, 5 July 2018 20:23 (nine months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

New Pogo track is based on The Shining

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8pptpmkHXg

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 23 September 2018 20:27 (six months ago) Permalink

That footage from the Japanese paranormal investigations TV show crew filming Elstree and interviewing Vivian and Stanley (on the phone) is a delight from start to finish, including the soundless car journey through West London and up to Borehamwood.

The YouTube comments are almost entirely highly positive, although I guess probably consist mainly of middle aged men remarking on how captivating watching 20 year old Vivian talk is. Well, fair enough I'spose.

the sun-dried raisins of muesli (Noel Emits), Monday, 24 September 2018 11:40 (six months ago) Permalink

Link?

calstars, Monday, 24 September 2018 11:46 (six months ago) Permalink

MareSnest links it above.

the sun-dried raisins of muesli (Noel Emits), Monday, 24 September 2018 11:49 (six months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

we were watching this tnite for halloween and it's amazing how fresh + relevant it feels today maybe more than ever

Mordy, Thursday, 1 November 2018 04:55 (five months ago) Permalink

especially wild when you recall how reviled it was on release

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 1 November 2018 04:57 (five months ago) Permalink

when something happens it can leave a trace of itself behind

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 1 November 2018 06:04 (five months ago) Permalink

i need to watch this again soon

macropuente (map), Thursday, 1 November 2018 06:16 (five months ago) Permalink

Say someone burns toast...

calstars, Thursday, 1 November 2018 08:35 (five months ago) Permalink

Someone burns toast.

a butt, at which the shaft of ridicule is daily glanced (Old Lunch), Thursday, 1 November 2018 11:52 (five months ago) Permalink

after I picked up a copy on DVD recently so I can make mk2 watch it, someone pointed me to this interesting analysis re the trike.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNvXaubxzrE&feature=youtu.be

never noticed these things before, but then I don't when watching a film.
I just watch it, and then move on, but this film has a lot of subtle on screen clues as to whats going on.
Was Stanley really this subtle, or, just careless re the trike ?

mark e, Thursday, 1 November 2018 13:29 (five months ago) Permalink

video isn't working can u give another link

Mordy, Thursday, 1 November 2018 13:43 (five months ago) Permalink

ooops, sorry.

https://youtu.be/xNvXaubxzrE

mark e, Thursday, 1 November 2018 13:45 (five months ago) Permalink

I still revile it.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 November 2018 13:59 (five months ago) Permalink

I mean, as its director's worst post-Fear and Desire film goes, it's still pretty in-te-res-ting.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 November 2018 14:01 (five months ago) Permalink

i don't buy that the changes are bc some of the film is taking place in the novel and some isn't. more likely explanation for the continuity changes imo -assuming they're intentional and not errors- is that the hotel itself manipulates and shifts reality. the film's emotional core doesn't work if it's a fantasy. if he's a successful writer fantasizing about murdering his family it brings too much of the subtext into the text - it's not a secret that the novel is about steven king's own struggles with anger, fear of his own capacity for violence, his own fears + anxieties vis-a-vis his work (he returns to themes of writer's block over and over again in his novels). to say that's actually the text of the film moves us too far away imo from the horror by fictionalizing it w/in the fiction. but we don't have that much distance in the film - these things are really happening. instead read the continuity errors like you do the impossible interior architecture - subliminal hints that something is /wrong/.

Mordy, Thursday, 1 November 2018 14:07 (five months ago) Permalink

instead read the continuity errors like you do the impossible interior architecture - subliminal hints that something is /wrong/.

I totally agree with this.
Sometimes people read too much into things.

mark e, Thursday, 1 November 2018 14:19 (five months ago) Permalink

five months pass...

Lisa and Louise Burns posing outside the wardrobe department right before filming their iconic Shining hallway scene. [1979] pic.twitter.com/O8VwOdOe0l

— 📷🎥 (@moodvintage) April 15, 2019

Mordy, Monday, 15 April 2019 17:25 (one week ago) Permalink

I used to follow the twins on Facebook and it was really delightful, just endless travel pictures of them smiling while visiting different museums and landmarks

One Eye Open, Monday, 15 April 2019 18:01 (one week ago) Permalink

love the hand-lettered wardrobe sign.

andrew m., Monday, 15 April 2019 18:29 (one week ago) Permalink


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