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I just watched the shining again. Is this movie about the revenge of dead Indian souls or just evil possesion?

Mike Hanle y, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The SHINNING.

It's about Stanley Kubrick being a pretentious twerp, and Jack Nicholson & Shelley Duvall over-acting. Scatman Crothers, though, saves this flick from COMPLETE uselessness.

David Raposa, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

YOu know I was thinking, I might actually like it more if NIcholson and Duvall were replaced by some other lesser known actors. You see Nicholson and hes not scarey so much as rascally, and Duvall is just annoying.

Mike Hanle y, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Yay Scatman Crothers! Drives eight million miles in a milkfloat just to get chopped in the chest with a fire-axe!! He also has the same poster on his bedroom wall as Chef in South Park. Sub-thread q. Name the first Indian Burial Ground movie... (for london readers: plaguepit = uk equiv of indian bg...)

mark s, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Just bought the DVD over the weekend; the transfer is quite disappointing--might as well be VHS. The documentary was interesting though. I think Kubrick really disliked Duvall, there wasn't one positive exchange in the docu between them. Directors sometimes prod actors to get more of a reaction out of them on film, maybe that was what he was doing, but it seemed to be a genuine irritation.

I still say it's a great film, at the very least visually speaking. The symmetrical corridors, the maze, the quick splicing of those ugly little girls. Brilliant trailer, which is simply the elevator/blood sequence with credits scrolling past. Nicholson's overacting is total classic. The last scenes as Duvall's running around the hotel are a bit too much. Anyway, I was watching it again and I think one of the best scenes in the film is the one in the bathroom with Delbert Grady, as "Midnight with the Stars and You" plays outside in the ballroom. I love how when they first bump into each other, Grady seems like a kindly butler-sort, but when Jack calls him on his past, he suddenly shifts to effectively sinister.

Joe, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

the shining is ace.

ethan, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The Shining is CLASSIC. Of course in hindsight you sort of cringe because now Jackie does overact. I love it. It's about being cut off from society and tricycles! Weeee! Not those damn steps (or whatever you call'em) which daft cunts use these days.... sometimes even on trains.
How about Altman's Popeye film with S. Duval? Christ that flick scared the shit outa me.

nathalie (nathalie), Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

red rum, red rum.

Geoff, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Its pretty amazing that although the whole film is very brightly lit, its still creepy as hell. Whats up with that ghost in the wierd bunny outfit!?

Mike Hanle y, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

But Mark, I can't think of a single horror story related to plague pits. Please enlighten me.

DG, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I was hoping someone else wd have an answer!! I don't know of any Brit movies abt it. There was an episode of Doomwatch, in the late60s/early 70s. The film abt cannibals on the underground: they are also disease-infested, tho not specifically plague. Quatermass and the Pit sorta skirts round the idea, before haring off after martians (same as I wd, but still). There is a short story by Clive Barker, in the Books of Blood (book one, I think), which is absolutely precisely exactly abt it, and is probably what got me obsessing abt it in the first place.

mark s, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The Shining - classic. Second scariest movie ever made (first = Suspiria.)

Plague movies, hmmm... Wot abt 'Plague of Zombies' (1966 Hammer flick) - years since I've seen it, can't remember much abt it, poss. plague zombiefication involved tho'. And don't recall an Indian burial ground flick before 'Poltergeist'.

Andrew L, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

the shining is classic.

sundar subramanian, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic because i think it was Kubricks response to his blocks. Plus it is one of a very few movies i can stand Nicholson in .

anthony, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The Shining sucks, it's not even scary.

Ally, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Ally, do you think ANY horror movies are scary?

Andrew L, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I love this topic. There is one frightening movie that I have seen not too long ago and that was the Prophecy. Has anyone seen it? Christopher Walken was the actor... Very chilling! Gale

Gale Deslongchamps, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Ally, do you think ANY horror movies are scary

No, I'm unfortunately very jaded. My mom forced me to watch The Exorcist when I was like 4, what can I say?

Ally, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Jack can do no wrong.

Neither can Krzysztof Penderecki (gotta stick up fer fellow Polacks with a name unpronounceable by Anglophones!)

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...
The miniseries version is running on Sci-Fi. OMG, this is awful.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 29 April 2004 02:16 (fifteen years ago) link

Stephen King loved it because it was blindly faithful to the book. Meh.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 29 April 2004 02:23 (fifteen years ago) link

stephen king sure doesn't have a good track record when it comes to having anything to do with tv mini-serieseseses.

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 29 April 2004 02:26 (fifteen years ago) link

isn't steven weber in this one?

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 29 April 2004 02:26 (fifteen years ago) link

Not only is he in it, but he tries to do a Jack Nicholson impression every once in a while!

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 29 April 2004 02:35 (fifteen years ago) link

It occurs to me that the guys from Wings are popular in King series - the Stand, the Shining, the winter storm one. Is Tony Shalhoub going to be in the next one?

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 29 April 2004 02:36 (fifteen years ago) link

what about the pretty lady?

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 29 April 2004 02:38 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't remember that much about Wings.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 29 April 2004 02:40 (fifteen years ago) link

king always loves movies when they stick close to his books. he hated "the shining" so he remade it into a version that he felt was closer. "pet sematary" was a piece of shit too but he loved it because it followed his (admittedly pretty good) novel almost to the letter.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 29 April 2004 03:16 (fifteen years ago) link

stephen king sure doesn't have a good track record when it comes to having anything to do with tv mini-serieseseses.

Wha? I don't know about you, but Salem's Lot scared the shit out of me when I first saw it.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 29 April 2004 03:17 (fifteen years ago) link

i don't know about you, but i never saw it!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 29 April 2004 03:43 (fifteen years ago) link

I saw a Stephen King-approved Carrie TV movie. That was TERRIBLE.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 29 April 2004 04:29 (fifteen years ago) link

can't wait for the "stand by me" mini-series with jonathan lipnicki, jonathan taylor thomas, brian austin green and the guy who played jonathan in buffy!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 29 April 2004 04:31 (fifteen years ago) link

Watched the last thirty minutes of the Shining miniseries. Yep, now I remember why I hated it in '97.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 29 April 2004 04:48 (fifteen years ago) link

I dropped it to watch some Dawson's Creek reruns. Jen was mega-hot the last season.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 29 April 2004 05:25 (fifteen years ago) link

Stephen King isn't very scary so there

Frank Swedehead, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 20:33 (fifteen years ago) link

Its pretty amazing that although the whole film is very brightly lit, its still creepy as hell. Whats up with that ghost in the wierd bunny outfit!?

-- Ehh, I rewatched this a few nights ago. When Shelley's running through the Overlook at the end of the film there's this sudden snap-zoom and all of a sudden a fat man in a bear-suit giving a bloody blow-job fills the frame. It lasts for about four seconds, and it's creepy as shit. I was with watching this with Jon William in Rochester a few years ago and I was stoned as could be and thought I was hallucinating the scene. No dice, though.

Jeremy Coombs (Atila the Honeybun), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 20:50 (fifteen years ago) link

"pet sematary" was a piece of shit too but he loved it because it followed his (admittedly pretty good) novel almost to the letter.

One good scene (the funeral argument) does not a good book make! I found the whole thing boring and stupid.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 20:53 (fifteen years ago) link

no one buries pets in a graveyard thats just stupid, mosta the time they are put into stew

OldHickBill, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 20:55 (fifteen years ago) link

Scatman Crothers!

http://www.mechaex.com/wmd/JAZZ.jpg

Hero Worship (Barima), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:01 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm a Scatman bad a bid up a boo buddah, oh thats scatman john

ScatmanJohnFanclub Hostess, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:04 (fifteen years ago) link

i watched the movie and thought it was really bad as i was reading the book i got really scared! its so descriptive ...

CAss (CAss), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 22:06 (fifteen years ago) link

I liked how the book put you in the kid's head more than Kubrick's film, but the end was (in typical King fashion) pretty weak.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 22:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Made it through the first 1:50 before I started nodding off tonight.

Compared to the book, now, the only thing I miss is any sort of balance to Jack - even the minor moments of being a loving/caring human being. Everything else Kubrick changed or eliminated seem right on, though.

Seriously one of the most chilling movies right up through meeting Grady in the ballroom/bathroom - that kills all the momentum and drama (poss. I just know what's going to happen). The disassociation caused by the overacting music and framing create tension even in innocuous scenes, but it doesn't work when Kubrick tries to be more traditional, you just start noticing that Shelley Duvall has huge fucking eyes.

The naked black women in Scatman Crothers' bachelor pad are almost as great as the masked biker men in The Royal Tenenbaums.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 9 May 2004 08:14 (fifteen years ago) link

Didn't scare me the first time I saw it, but it gets worse and worse on every viewing, and last time I tried (couple of months ago, on a tuesday afternoon) I had to stop halfway through. For me, it's scary cos having somebody be angry with you is scary, and...Jack's angry with me.

And yeah, the aniaml-outfit-fellatio thing is really really freaky. In the book, it turns out the guy he's sucking off is the owner of the hotel. The owner of the hotel is called Horace Derwent. He's got the same (not particularly common) surname as me. So I shat myself when I read that.

JimD (JimD), Sunday, 9 May 2004 10:07 (fifteen years ago) link

"And yeah, the aniaml-outfit-fellatio thing is really really freaky. In the book, it turns out the guy he's sucking off is the owner of the hotel"

yeah, i think it actually works better in the movie because its so inexplicable.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 10 May 2004 00:04 (fifteen years ago) link

"pet sematary" was a piece of shit too but he loved it because it followed his (admittedly pretty good) novel almost to the letter.
One good scene (the funeral argument) does not a good book make! I found the whole thing boring and stupid.

Well, I just disagree. I liked it because it was just a really creepy update of the monkey's paw. the parts with dead children and the nightime journey to the indian burial ground were really effective to me.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 10 May 2004 00:06 (fifteen years ago) link

ANYWAY, miloauckerman OTM.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 10 May 2004 00:07 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...
http://waxy.org/random/video/shining_redux.mov

Mädchen (Madchen), Thursday, 29 September 2005 14:33 (thirteen years ago) link

That's really good.

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Thursday, 29 September 2005 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link

She’s not male either

shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Thursday, 13 June 2019 18:09 (two months ago) link

lol rereading my elaborate opinions on gerald's game elsewhere, this shining film will be bad

mark s, Thursday, 13 June 2019 18:17 (two months ago) link

also now i'm thinking of a kubrick version of gerald's game

mark s, Thursday, 13 June 2019 18:19 (two months ago) link

cuffs wide shut

mark s, Thursday, 13 June 2019 18:19 (two months ago) link

bondy lyndon

Dr Strangelove or how I stopped worrying and learned to love the bond

omar little, Thursday, 13 June 2019 18:25 (two months ago) link

Or whatever the hell it was called~!

omar little, Thursday, 13 June 2019 18:25 (two months ago) link

apparently the only shot in that trailer that is Kubrick's is the blood coming from the elevators -- everything else is new footage from Flanagan.

https://screencrush.com/the-shining-doctor-sleep-comparison/

making, with Ready Player One, two movies in two years that have used re-created scenes from The Shining.

What scene did RPO use?

calstars, Friday, 14 June 2019 01:39 (two months ago) link

the elevators and Room 237

https://youtu.be/GwyoKJiB9Vk

Oh wait, I was wrong - King likes this after all and this is probably going to be v bad, haha.

This movie is going to blow your mind. If you have any left after IT CHAPTER 2, that is. https://t.co/cUPCfwZS08

— Stephen King (@StephenKing) June 13, 2019

I still think Gerald's Game is a great watch as long as you skip the last five minutes or so.

Roz, Friday, 14 June 2019 02:38 (two months ago) link

King likes or claims to like any/all adaptations of his work these days

Simon H., Friday, 14 June 2019 02:45 (two months ago) link

that said I like Flanagan in general, more for how humane, well-edited and well-acted his movies are than how "scary"

Simon H., Friday, 14 June 2019 02:46 (two months ago) link

humane unless you have acromegaly :(

mark s, Friday, 14 June 2019 08:30 (two months ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/jyriz.jpg

Ward Fowler, Friday, 14 June 2019 09:11 (two months ago) link

Why does King think all Indian burial grounds spawn evil

| (Latham Green), Friday, 14 June 2019 14:49 (two months ago) link

he invented that, it's his thing

mark s, Friday, 14 June 2019 14:56 (two months ago) link

it's not the burial ground that spawns evil, it's the desecration of the burial ground iirc? tho maybe pet semetary iirc it wasn't bc it was desecrated but bc it was a burial site for cannibal victims or something?

Mordy, Friday, 14 June 2019 15:24 (two months ago) link

damn if Stephen King is giving it a rave I better check it out

omar little, Friday, 14 June 2019 15:27 (two months ago) link

Why does King think all Indian burial grounds spawn evil

― | (Latham Green), Friday, June 14, 2019 7:49 AM (one hour ago)

Exactly why I love what Kubrick did with The Shining (esp. through the Room237 filter!)

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 14 June 2019 16:18 (two months ago) link

The “Indian burial ground” is not in the novel, it’s kubrick’s addition (although yeah king later used it in pet sematary)

shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Friday, 14 June 2019 16:22 (two months ago) link

The best example of king getting owned by filmmakers will always be that he wrote a mallet attack into the shining and Kubrick changed it to an axe to much better effect, and then years later he wrote an axe attack into misery and Reiner changed it to a mallet... to much better effect

shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Friday, 14 June 2019 16:27 (two months ago) link

amityville horror was one of kubrick's favourite films

mark s, Friday, 14 June 2019 16:28 (two months ago) link

TIL that poltergeist does NOT feature an IBG (technically I learned that when I watched it, but I misremembered it as having one until reading this article just now)

shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Friday, 14 June 2019 16:32 (two months ago) link

pale-tergeist

mark s, Friday, 14 June 2019 16:40 (two months ago) link

so I got about 1/3 of the way through this book and it was hokey and kind of dumb. holding out hope the movie is better but the book didn't impress and King's kindly magical negro stuff really grated (it's been ages since I read one of his books so it's not like that's new, but I'd forgotten about it).

akm, Saturday, 15 June 2019 14:29 (two months ago) link

One thing about the Shining is it seems like its one of those movies that is all about creepy mystery and if you tried to explain it the thing would fall apart - creepy mystery is only good when its in a quantum state

| (Latham Green), Thursday, 20 June 2019 19:35 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG_NZpkttXE

tonga, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 21:31 (one month ago) link

Damn. For a second, I thought Jim Carrey's acting skills had jumped a mile.

pplains, Thursday, 11 July 2019 01:17 (one month ago) link

The only way to make that more terrifying is to deepfake Carrey's face on to Shelley Duvall too.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 11 July 2019 01:33 (one month ago) link

Please explain what a deepfake is. I love that clip, but I'm confused as to what's been done.

clemenza, Thursday, 11 July 2019 01:38 (one month ago) link

Using AI to CGI humans, is how I understand it - instead of painstaking work to change faces frame to frame they use machine learning to do it faster and better.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 11 July 2019 01:42 (one month ago) link

That's the original movie with Jim Carrey's face wrapped around Jack Nicholson's head.

pplains, Thursday, 11 July 2019 01:46 (one month ago) link

the crossed eyes at the end are pretty creepy

calstars, Thursday, 11 July 2019 02:05 (one month ago) link

Thanks--read a little bit online. That clip is...quite amazing.

clemenza, Thursday, 11 July 2019 02:46 (one month ago) link

fun stuff on that guy's channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjI-JaRWG7s

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 11 July 2019 02:49 (one month ago) link

The Stallone Terminator 2 clip has some transitions where it's clearly still Arnie's face, I couldn't tell if it was done on purpose or a function of the angles/lighting in the bar scene.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 11 July 2019 02:58 (one month ago) link

You can now just about watch the last act with Ace Ventura as Jack Torrance:

https://i.imgur.com/FiOOjpT.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZRUZzZPGto

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx59bskG8dc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlvoEW7l5rs

Stuff might DIOT but these deepfakes are wild. It's one thing to add the dead guy back into Fast and Furious or the dead guy back into the new Star Wars movie. You still need some anonymous stand-in to drive the car or whatever.

What about All the Money in the World, replacing Kevin Spacey with Christopher Plummer? Seems a little less ethical though likely cheaper to downgrade an actor's performance to just being a stand-in. Though is that much different than, say, overdubbing Andie Macdowell's voice in Tarzan the Ape Man with Glenn Close?

The more I watch these, the more I see where they're not so accurate. It's crazy how well they fit into the lighting and shadows, but kinda lose their luster as soon as something partially hides the face, like a chopped-up piece of a door.

pplains, Sunday, 14 July 2019 23:29 (one month ago) link

idgi why they didn't put his face on the wife and kid also?

lumen (esby), Monday, 15 July 2019 00:17 (one month ago) link

You think I'm joking, but wait until you see the Fight Club one.

pplains, Monday, 15 July 2019 00:37 (one month ago) link

"DIOT"?

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 15 July 2019 04:39 (one month ago) link

"Deserves Its Own Thread"

Acronym's been around for at least 12 hours since I came up with it two posts ago.

pplains, Monday, 15 July 2019 12:42 (one month ago) link

Today, quite literally, the twins from THE SHINING (right) told me to buy this ring (left) during a craft fair on Kubrick's estate. I feel like I've completed some kind of boss level pic.twitter.com/Zq6ZMDeZC1

— Tim Robey (@trim_obey) July 7, 2019

van dyke parks generator (anagram), Monday, 15 July 2019 13:42 (one month ago) link

http://www.moc-pages.com/moc.php/233777

Mordy, Sunday, 21 July 2019 00:54 (four weeks ago) link

by the way, in Portuguese it's called... https://abrilvejasp.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/20124691.jpeg

StanM, Sunday, 21 July 2019 12:11 (four weeks ago) link

The green bathroom set is great!

calstars, Sunday, 21 July 2019 12:36 (four weeks ago) link

Can't help wondering how many innocent people are about to be framed for crimes they didn't commit while we work out the particular bugs of this acid trip technology

That said, I look forward to seeing myself as Spock

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 22 July 2019 00:56 (four weeks ago) link

The Shining seems like particularly fertile ground for this dumb tech. Would like to see Halloran’s face on the Grady twins, or Ullman’s visage on the old woman in the bathroom.

calstars, Monday, 22 July 2019 01:05 (four weeks ago) link


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