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Just read a great article about race + marijuana arrests in New York by Mark Jacobson: http://nymag.com/news/features/58995/

I don't think there's another thread like this -- a place to discuss the current movements to legalize marijuana (medicinally or otherwise) throughout the United States (and anywhere else that interests people), and any other legal/political/racial issues involved.

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 17:37 (nine years ago) link

Also, I don't know how it works, but if it makes people feel more comfortable maybe a mod can unindex this thread from google? (If not, can we move it to 77 or something?)

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 17:37 (nine years ago) link

Cary Tennis' last column on Salon is called "How I Became a Pothead": http://www.salon.com/life/drugs/index.html?story=/mwt/col/tenn/2010/06/03/marijuana

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 17:41 (nine years ago) link

Some other more recent stories:

Marie Myung-Ok Lee's "Why I Give My 9-Year-Old Pot" Series from Slate:
http://www.slate.com/id/2251174/

Marijuana inspiring Cuisine in NY Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/19/dining/19pot.html

Jack Shafer telling NY Times they are ridiculous for writing that piece:
http://www.slate.com/id/2254397/

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 17:44 (nine years ago) link

not sure i want to read "why i gave my 9-year-old pot" but.. hm..
intriguingly, my mom's position on weed has flipped--she used to bother me about 'becoming a druggie' and now she is all 'oh, i think pot should be legalized.' maybe she's been lighting up?

ian, Sunday, 6 June 2010 18:52 (nine years ago) link

living in massachusetts i can openly smoke pot at my gay wedding, but good luck to the rest of you.

scott seward, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:05 (nine years ago) link

http://johngushue.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/05/19/bob_dylan_greenwich_village.jpg

Come gather round people wherever you roam...

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:07 (nine years ago) link

I cannot help but conclude, after a lifetime of observation, that the present power regime in the USA will never consent to legalize drugs, even if it results in more rational regulation of these activities, a massively lowering of the costs of incarceration (both social as well as monetary), and a cutting off of the funding for huge criminal organizations.

There's just too much money at stake in continuing the drug war now. The cops are mostly in favor of it, because it gives them more power and money, and they get to look like they are saving society from a scourge, while they are just engaging in a lot of fruitless, showy, theatrical idiocy. The prison industry is all for it. And politicians love it, because hating on druggies is the opposite side of the coin from loving mom and apple pie.

Against such stupidity even the gods contend in vain.

Aimless, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:09 (nine years ago) link

Really? Cause the winds seem to be heavily blowing towards legalization.

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:09 (nine years ago) link

Just became medically legalized in NJ, NY is currently looking to medically legalize it.

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:10 (nine years ago) link

i hate the focus on medical though, no one should have to give a reason or be able to see a doctor to engage in freedom

harbl, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:14 (nine years ago) link

Those winds of legalization will die away to a whisper in the South. If the Feds maintain prohibition, then the states will not be able to enact the kind of reform and regulation that will do a proper job of it.

Aimless, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:15 (nine years ago) link

I'm okay with that. I think that if it becomes legal (or de facto legal) in enough of the country, eventually that'll push things over federally too. You just need to build some momentum, and I see momentum all over the place.

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:16 (nine years ago) link

If we could just strangle enough RRW Republicans, then maybe...

Aimless, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:22 (nine years ago) link

... but moral scruples forbid me to discuss this line of thought.

Aimless, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:23 (nine years ago) link

i hate the focus on medical though, no one should have to give a reason or be able to see a doctor to engage in freedom

― harbl, Sunday, June 6, 2010 3:14 PM (41 minutes ago)

idk, i agree totally about pot and think that all drug possessions should be decriminalized, but i wouldn't extend that 'freedom' to other illicit drugs or prescription medications obv

fman29.5 (k3vin k.), Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:07 (nine years ago) link

neither would i!

harbl, Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:08 (nine years ago) link

ha yeah i basically figured that's what you meant, i'm in lolcollege so i've had one too many conversations w/ ppl who are like yeah pot should be legal! fuck it all drugs should be legal!

fman29.5 (k3vin k.), Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:10 (nine years ago) link

penalties in ca may be reclassified (no longer misdemeanor)

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/cannabis-chronicles/marijuana-possession-less-than/

not posey: a problem (tremendoid), Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:18 (nine years ago) link

http://i561.photobucket.com/albums/ss51/tr_fudge/arnold_smoking-pot-thumb-300x238.jpg

if dude can hold the pen straight

not posey: a problem (tremendoid), Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:20 (nine years ago) link

i think the legalization ballot measure is going down fwiw, but the fact that it's a question is amazing even given the state of bud politics here.

vast majority of la dispensaries needing to ROLL with the punches meanwhile
http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_15235255?source=rss

not posey: a problem (tremendoid), Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:24 (nine years ago) link

they're pushing to get full legalization on the ballot in oregon this fall

what it feels like for a goon (The Reverend), Sunday, 6 June 2010 21:51 (nine years ago) link

Also, I don't know how it works, but if it makes people feel more comfortable maybe a mod can unindex this thread from google? (If not, can we move it to 77 or something?)

― Mordy, Sunday, June 6, 2010 12:37 PM (4 hours ago)

I've done this, though if it's kept to politics rather than personal habits, I don't know how necessary it was.

Grisly Addams (WmC), Sunday, 6 June 2010 22:02 (nine years ago) link

i hope it's not just a lolcollege idea to want to see see all drugs legalized. obviously we're not talking crack being freely available to schoolkids from the corner shop here; there would besome kind of sliding scale of control, e.g. cannabis as free as tobacco, e/speed/coke over the counter at the pharmacy, heroin perhaps only on prescription for registered addicts. i really don't see the benefit in having any substance completely criminalised. it does not effectively discourage use; it turns ordinary people into criminals - at best merely for usage/possession, at worst for having to commit crime in order to maintain a supply; it enables an enormous criminal trade; it means there is no control over substance purity. if drugs were under government control they would be clean and pure, they could be taxed to help fund treatment for addicts, and there would surely be a huge reduction in drug related crime.

ok maybe things wouldn't be quite that rosy. but it's clear the current system is a complete failure. and in general while i'm far from libertarian i am a strong believer in personal liberty and the idea of the government having such a strong say over what i choose to put into my body is anathema to me.

sent from my neural lace (ledge), Sunday, 6 June 2010 22:27 (nine years ago) link

no i don't think the lolcollege thing refers to what you're talking about, just a certain type of libertarian thinking. i don't believe in drug criminalization either for the same reasons as you said, it has done a lot of very bad things to america in my opinion.

harbl, Sunday, 6 June 2010 23:05 (nine years ago) link

Full legalization is a LONG way away. The area of law I practice in, employment, is one of the areas where this is really clear: The California Fair Employment and Housing Act, or FEHA, recognizes the use of some prescription drugs, and mandates that employers, in certain situations, must accommodate the user of those drugs if the use of those drugs somehow limits their ability to do their job.

But it doesn't provide the same protections to medical marijuana. The way in which the Compassionate Care Act of 1996 was drafted, it addresses only the criminal aspects as it pertains to patients. It doesn't address employment aspects, or any of the other ways in which marijuana can impact lives. The CA Supreme Court ruled that employers do not have to accommodate compassionate care users for precisely this reason - the Act doesn't address employment law. Kind of a legal punt, but it drew attention to just how narrowly the Compassionate Care Act is drawn. There was an Oregon decision recently which arrived at the same rationale. Now, if two of the most pot-friendly states in the country have rulings like that on the books, the 9th circuit is not likely to hold another way if a case were to make it that far.

But the decriminalization has been good. And, in reality, no cop is going to bust you for a joint or a dime bag. Driving while doing smoking/stoned? Another story, as well it should be.

Let Amare go ham like he was all you can eating it (B.L.A.M.), Sunday, 6 June 2010 23:13 (nine years ago) link

no cop is going to bust you for a joint or a dime bag.

if you have the right color of skin

donk quixote (The Reverend), Monday, 7 June 2010 14:02 (nine years ago) link

I doubt we'll ever see pot legalized, though it would be so convenient if it was. OK, maybe not "ever," but I really seriously doubt it'll happen in the next 20-40 years, or so long as we have Mormons in the U.S.

breaking that little dog's heart chakra (Abbott), Monday, 7 June 2010 14:14 (nine years ago) link

Rev otm, and if you're in the "wrong" neighborhood, you'd be surprised how small an infraction you can end up in handcuffs for

the mom most likely to comprehend juggalos (J0hn D.), Monday, 7 June 2010 14:54 (nine years ago) link

no cop is going to bust you for a joint or a dime bag.

if you have the right color of skin

― donk quixote (The Reverend), Monday, June 7, 2010 10:02 AM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark

I used to work at a diner where for dishwashers we hired convicts who were trying to get back on their feet, and they were mostly black guys that had been in jail for years and years after being busted in this way. Legalization is in a large part a civil rights cause.

Adam Bruneau, Monday, 7 June 2010 16:31 (nine years ago) link

i think the legalization ballot measure is going down fwiw

why do you think this...? I haven't seen any authoritative polling to-date.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/may/31/local/la-me-0601-poll-20100529

i just have a feeling. people don't pay attention to propositions, even this one, until the ads start ratcheting up and the opposition has a lot of boogeymen to unleash, not to mention opposing the measure more forcefully in the coming months is low-hanging fruit for both of the likely gub nominees. from what i've seen, trying to put myself in the shoes of the 'average voter' the pro argument as articulated feels kind of ad-hoc but that could change too.

edd|e house is not a homie (tremendoid), Monday, 7 June 2010 17:51 (nine years ago) link

Besides the Office of National Drug Control Policy, who funds opposition advertising? Someone said the cigarette companies spend a lot on opposition advertising, but I couldn't find any data to support that. Anyone here know?

Mordy, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:57 (nine years ago) link

cigarette companies are all broke I thought

I would not be surprised if it were religious people (cough cough Mormons). If there *were* a national vote, you bet the Mormon Church would do a Prop-8 style $$$$ push to shut that shit down. I promise.

breaking that little dog's heart chakra (Abbott), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:00 (nine years ago) link

are tobacco companies even allowed to spend campaign money? so many lawsuits/civil suits have crippled the industry

xp

If there *were* a national vote, you bet the Mormon Church would do a Prop-8 style $$$$ push to shut that shit down. I promise.

I can see this happening. at the same time, most of the country does not love Mormons, much less being told what to do by Mormons.

like what is the percentage that thinks Mormons aren't "really" Christians...? it's pretty high iirc

Well, sure, but it worked w/Prop 8, right?

breaking that little dog's heart chakra (Abbott), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:01 (nine years ago) link

And it's not like they would advertise, "WE, the MORMONS, want you to never smoke pot! And also we don't really have multiple wives. Brought to you by THE MORMONS."

breaking that little dog's heart chakra (Abbott), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:02 (nine years ago) link

Sponsored by the Mormons For Curtailing Your Fun Committee for America (c)

Mordy, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:04 (nine years ago) link

At any rate, this topic of converrsation ("will pot be legalized") always kind of feels like a mass funtime of projections of the speakers' pasts & desires. I, por ejemplo, would love for pot to be legalized, but grew up in a community where smoking weed was tantamount (in perceived riskiness & evilness) to smoking meth. This informs my perspective. I imagine someone who grew up in a less conservative area, or had pot-smoking parents, would have a more optimistic view. ANd someone who thinks weed is bad, and has never smoked it, would naturally be more inclined to say it's so not gonna happen. I feel in some ways like there's no way to know.

breaking that little dog's heart chakra (Abbott), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:06 (nine years ago) link

i suspect in my lifetime we will see the states where it's been cleared for medical purposes legalize it wholesale; everywhere else will be in sort of limbo between where we are now and full legalization

used to bull's-eye Zach Wamps in my T-16 back home (will), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:15 (nine years ago) link

It seems to me that once it's become fully legalized in a few states, it'll be de facto legal everywhere. They can't exactly set up state border patrols to make sure you aren't buying in NJ and driving it up to NY, or whatever.

Mordy, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:17 (nine years ago) link

still pretty illegal in lots of europe, despite amsterdam

iatee, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:25 (nine years ago) link

Europe's different

As far as I know, Prohibition was repealed everywhere all at once, but an interesting comparison might be individual state tax laws on vices. Technically, afaik, it's illegal to buy alcohol in NJ and then drive it into PA, but this obviously happens all the time, whenever someone in Cherry Hill picks up a bottle of wine and then drives to his friend's place in Philadelphia, and it's de facto legal. How can you enforce that kind of law?

Mordy, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:35 (nine years ago) link

wrt CA as an avowed pessimist the fact that they gathered the signatures still feels like found money, bottom line is i think the radius of 'public consciousness raising' for legalization hasn't extended nearly as far as the medical angle, which tbh still relies on compassion for the very very sick to get over (medical cannabis is not going away but it's still plenty begrudged among the majority of counties and municipalities). i mean i hope that's an antiguated view of how politics move in 2010 but yeah, prop 8. think we can just wipe away the culture of prohibition w/o at least will n' gracing it for a minute, it just can't be that easy, right?

edd|e house is not a homie (tremendoid), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:39 (nine years ago) link

yeah, i guess i would liken it blue laws around here. like, you would probably never ever be able to just pop by dispensary/ package store in the state of Tennessee and buy a nice bottle of wine and some white widow for your dinner party. but if you were pulled over and had an oz cops would just be like eh, whatever - as long as you aren't smokin & drivin (someone will obviously need to build some kind of breath-alizer for weed if it's ever to be legalized i'm guessing)

used to bull's-eye Zach Wamps in my T-16 back home (will), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:42 (nine years ago) link

xp how about this one:

https://www.tikunolam.com/article.php?id=1107

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sleeve, Friday, 21 December 2018 17:33 (eight months ago) link

I know people who take it for fibromyalgia as well and report [to me] amazing results.

Mordy, Friday, 21 December 2018 17:43 (eight months ago) link

I think the more studies the better.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 December 2018 17:43 (eight months ago) link

i find marijuana to be effective pain and sleep medication following a year of severe neck issues. still haven't quite figured out how to vape properly but, in coordination with 800mg of ibuprofen, i can get through the night and keep my sanity.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 21 December 2018 17:46 (eight months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Seen a couple of articles lately about how predicted economic benefits of cannabis have not quite panned out because the high prices and taxes have actually driven people to the black market.

Here's an admittedly early one about Canada:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/canada-legalized-pot-in-october-but-its-black-market-is-still-going-strong/2019/01/04/ca09a3b0-fe53-11e8-a17e-162b712e8fc2_story.html

But here's one about CA and how the state's massive surplus has been largely going elsewhere, and how sales have actually *dropped* since recreational legalization:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/02/us/buying-legal-weed-in-california.html

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 January 2019 13:22 (eight months ago) link

has usage gone down though too? isn't a longterm policy goal to curb recreational usage of this "dangerous" substance, like what's happened with cigarettes?

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/43ej5n/now-that-weed-is-legal-in-canada-we-asked-college-students-if-its-still-cool

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 6 January 2019 13:49 (eight months ago) link

Yeah, there's some funny stuff happening. Legalizing cannabis was intended, in part, to counter the black market. But the black market is thriving because of surplus (or shortages!) of high quality legal cannabis, and also because the high tax on legal cannabis is driving people to cheaper alternatives, which in turn means less tax revenue than predicted. But that would have happened anyway, since usage is dropping. So legalization, at least to some degree, is bolstering the black market even as the bottom drops out due to surplus driven by ... legalization. Which is or may be bringing in less taxes than predicted because some people would rather skip the tax-imposing middle man and just go straight to the source. Which means the only way to encourage or increase legal sales would be to ... stop the sale of pot on the black market, which brings us back to square one.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 January 2019 14:15 (eight months ago) link

https://lcb.wa.gov/sites/default/files/publications/annual_report/2017-annual-report-final2-web.pdf

WA collected $315 million in sales tax (37% on retail) on weed in fiscal 2017, $113 million more than from liquor. Sales of $259 million in 2015, $786 million in 2016, $1.3B in 2017.

What a disaster for low-income health care.

sans lep (sic), Sunday, 6 January 2019 22:16 (eight months ago) link

Cannabis taxes are significantly higher than liquor taxes. Regardless, the more taxes/money made for the state the better.

So I wonder why sales are not as robust in CA as in WA? Or, flipped, why a state with a fraction of the population of CA would have numbers so high (relative to size)? Is it because CA is priced/taxed too high?

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 January 2019 22:46 (eight months ago) link

For a decade, cannabis had already been legal in CA if you were happy spending 10 minutes and $30 to get a licence. Prosecution/enforcement of illegal consumption had therefore dropped enormously. Licences for legal stores had not been adequately established by 1/1/2018, and stocks still ran out in the first week.

(Similarly, long-standing legal dispensaries in Vancouver are now illegal under national legalisation, but federal response is to shrug and guess it’ll get sorted out sometime, so leave them alone for now.)

A few months’ data from a state here and a territory there is not really representative of an overall market. WA has been legal for six years, with walk-in stores open for 4.5 years. Wait a bit before you draw any conclusions about markets that have opened since some ilxors changed their sheets.

sans lep (sic), Monday, 7 January 2019 00:25 (eight months ago) link

Just seems weird that sales should *drop* in CA the first year of full legalization. You'd think they'd at least hold steady.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 7 January 2019 01:27 (eight months ago) link

Sic otm

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 January 2019 01:48 (eight months ago) link

How does Washington deal with the banking problems? Like, one of the big issues in California is that because it is still illegal at the federal level, banks aren't willing to finance weed companies, and in many cases (idk) not even allow them to have bank accounts.

sarahell, Monday, 7 January 2019 02:05 (eight months ago) link

not sure how safe my thoughts are to begin with tbh

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/01/14/is-marijuana-as-safe-as-we-think?

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 14:27 (eight months ago) link

Does it affect motivation and cognition? Hard to say, but probably.

i think it's safe to accept anecdotal evidence here

zwei dunkel jungen (crüt), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 14:33 (eight months ago) link

Is that the Malcolm Gladwell piece? Fuck that guy and his flimsy rhetorical questions.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 14:38 (eight months ago) link

thanks now i know not to even open the link

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 14:45 (eight months ago) link

Wasn't there an Onion story? Marijuana linked to sitting around and getting high?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 15:09 (eight months ago) link

Wow what a worthless article

Heez, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 15:24 (eight months ago) link

sure ice cream is good... but is it good FOR you? the answer might not surprise you.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 16:17 (eight months ago) link

it's really interesting how one of the most notorious bars among the boston college cohort possibly being turned into a recreational dispensary is making people lose their minds

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/01/07/recreational-marijuana-shop-proposed-mary-anns-cleveland-circle-boston/
http://bcheights.com/2018/10/13/report-potential-conversion-of-mary-anns-to-dispensary-draws-bc-cleveland-circle-merchants-opposition/

maura, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 16:36 (eight months ago) link

haha, I love this, I lived right near there for many years, can't wait to go back and buy some w33d!

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 17:01 (eight months ago) link

How does Washington deal with the banking problems?

Three WA credit unions and 2 WA banks handle hundreds of businesses each; at POS, stores are all cash (or bitcoin) and have ATMs inside ime

Just seems weird that sales should *drop* in CA the first year of full legalization. You'd think they'd at least hold steady.

You're basing this on one second-hand citation from one company

sans lep (sic), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:50 (eight months ago) link

with no figures or methodology given

sans lep (sic), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:51 (eight months ago) link

i lived right there for a few years too! never went in. i hated that neighborhood, except for the reservoir. living there and working at BC at the same time was ... too much BC

marcos, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:00 (eight months ago) link

the location is perfect because of nearby parking

lol what

marcos, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:01 (eight months ago) link

possibly the thing i hated most about that neighborhood was owning a car in it

marcos, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:02 (eight months ago) link

I definitely abuse the ol marijuana

brimstead, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:53 (eight months ago) link

cvs has a lot i guess?

maura, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:57 (eight months ago) link

oh right and i guess there is that meter lot across the circle too

marcos, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:00 (eight months ago) link

Other than caffeine name me a psychoactive drug where people self-regulate their dosage that is proved to be safer than weed.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:14 (eight months ago) link

two months pass...

I forgot there were two different threads on which JiC was tenaciously arguing against both weed legalisation and the general existence of facts

steven, soda jerk (sic), Sunday, 10 March 2019 00:48 (six months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Well a vote to legalize recreational adult use through the legislature was called off just now in NJ . This is because a majority democratic senate could not whip their own fucking caucus to vote yes . fucking losers

(•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 25 March 2019 16:42 (five months ago) link

They want the political cover of having the voters endorse it directly, keeping their own fingerprints off it. I guess the calculation is that there are more voters who'd punish them for a yes vote than voters who would reward them.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 25 March 2019 18:16 (five months ago) link

or that the anti-weed squad is vocal and active minority who will go gunning for anyone who step over the line

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 25 March 2019 18:20 (five months ago) link

serious question, who are these people who are so adamantly against legalization?

⅋ (crüt), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 03:08 (five months ago) link

Squares

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 03:13 (five months ago) link

Liquor and beer companies, pharmaceutical companies, private prison companies and a handful of rich wackjobs who still think Reefer Madness was a documentary.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 03:35 (five months ago) link

Xpost afraid they will turn into chilled out junkies. 🙄

nathom, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 13:28 (five months ago) link

two months pass...

in a nice bit of irony the closest dispensary to me - a block from my apartment - is no longer selling weed, directly because of legalization. dispensaries were tolerated while illegal, now they have to be regulated to stay open.

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Monday, 10 June 2019 23:00 (three months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Illinois approves legal weed, expunging criminal records for pot crimes

Money raised by the new taxes would first be dedicated to expunging about 770,000 minor cannabis-related cases. Expungement has long been a goal of marijuana-legalization advocates, who argue the federal government's war on drugs disproportionately targeted minorities. Other states have similar provisions, usually added after the fact, but Illinois' law is the first to contain such a sweeping expungement provision from the start.

Ambient Police (sleeve), Saturday, 29 June 2019 21:38 (two months ago) link

Also important:

There's also a social equity program to promote minority involvement in the marijuana industry, and to give participants access to grants and loans in order to help cover some of the upfront costs of participating in the market.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 29 June 2019 22:07 (two months ago) link

cool, missed that! it's nice to see the states learning how to do legalization better as the dominoes continue to fall

Ambient Police (sleeve), Saturday, 29 June 2019 22:11 (two months ago) link

I think it's partly that Illinois (afaict) is the first state to actually fully legalize legislatively. That is, not via ballot initiative or whatever. So details could be (er) hashed out proactively.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 29 June 2019 22:21 (two months ago) link

At least they actually did it!! After years of budget-related gridlock in Springfield it sure feels good to get something worthwhile accomplished!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 29 June 2019 22:55 (two months ago) link

I honestly wonder how much of this is influenced by the fact that it’s a little over an hour from Chicago the Michigan border and there are already tons of Illinois folks who travel to Michigan for the beaches (the “FIBs” or “FISH” in Michigan resort town parlance).

They built three casinos in Detroit once someone realized how much money was spent by people were going to Windsor Ontario to gamble.

joygoat, Saturday, 29 June 2019 23:58 (two months ago) link

Also Democratic supermajority in Springfield + intense need for revenue + new Dem governor = all these things happen at once

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 30 June 2019 00:04 (two months ago) link

why did it fail in NY and NJ?

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 30 June 2019 02:51 (two months ago) link

wheels not sufficiently greased is my sense

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 30 June 2019 03:37 (two months ago) link


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