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Just read a great article about race + marijuana arrests in New York by Mark Jacobson: http://nymag.com/news/features/58995/

I don't think there's another thread like this -- a place to discuss the current movements to legalize marijuana (medicinally or otherwise) throughout the United States (and anywhere else that interests people), and any other legal/political/racial issues involved.

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 17:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

Also, I don't know how it works, but if it makes people feel more comfortable maybe a mod can unindex this thread from google? (If not, can we move it to 77 or something?)

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 17:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

Cary Tennis' last column on Salon is called "How I Became a Pothead": http://www.salon.com/life/drugs/index.html?story=/mwt/col/tenn/2010/06/03/marijuana

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 17:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

Some other more recent stories:

Marie Myung-Ok Lee's "Why I Give My 9-Year-Old Pot" Series from Slate:
http://www.slate.com/id/2251174/

Marijuana inspiring Cuisine in NY Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/19/dining/19pot.html

Jack Shafer telling NY Times they are ridiculous for writing that piece:
http://www.slate.com/id/2254397/

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 17:44 (eight years ago) Permalink

not sure i want to read "why i gave my 9-year-old pot" but.. hm..
intriguingly, my mom's position on weed has flipped--she used to bother me about 'becoming a druggie' and now she is all 'oh, i think pot should be legalized.' maybe she's been lighting up?

ian, Sunday, 6 June 2010 18:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

living in massachusetts i can openly smoke pot at my gay wedding, but good luck to the rest of you.

scott seward, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

http://johngushue.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/05/19/bob_dylan_greenwich_village.jpg

Come gather round people wherever you roam...

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:07 (eight years ago) Permalink

I cannot help but conclude, after a lifetime of observation, that the present power regime in the USA will never consent to legalize drugs, even if it results in more rational regulation of these activities, a massively lowering of the costs of incarceration (both social as well as monetary), and a cutting off of the funding for huge criminal organizations.

There's just too much money at stake in continuing the drug war now. The cops are mostly in favor of it, because it gives them more power and money, and they get to look like they are saving society from a scourge, while they are just engaging in a lot of fruitless, showy, theatrical idiocy. The prison industry is all for it. And politicians love it, because hating on druggies is the opposite side of the coin from loving mom and apple pie.

Against such stupidity even the gods contend in vain.

Aimless, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

Really? Cause the winds seem to be heavily blowing towards legalization.

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

Just became medically legalized in NJ, NY is currently looking to medically legalize it.

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

i hate the focus on medical though, no one should have to give a reason or be able to see a doctor to engage in freedom

harbl, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

Those winds of legalization will die away to a whisper in the South. If the Feds maintain prohibition, then the states will not be able to enact the kind of reform and regulation that will do a proper job of it.

Aimless, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

I'm okay with that. I think that if it becomes legal (or de facto legal) in enough of the country, eventually that'll push things over federally too. You just need to build some momentum, and I see momentum all over the place.

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:16 (eight years ago) Permalink

If we could just strangle enough RRW Republicans, then maybe...

Aimless, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

... but moral scruples forbid me to discuss this line of thought.

Aimless, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:23 (eight years ago) Permalink

i hate the focus on medical though, no one should have to give a reason or be able to see a doctor to engage in freedom

― harbl, Sunday, June 6, 2010 3:14 PM (41 minutes ago)

idk, i agree totally about pot and think that all drug possessions should be decriminalized, but i wouldn't extend that 'freedom' to other illicit drugs or prescription medications obv

fman29.5 (k3vin k.), Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:07 (eight years ago) Permalink

neither would i!

harbl, Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

ha yeah i basically figured that's what you meant, i'm in lolcollege so i've had one too many conversations w/ ppl who are like yeah pot should be legal! fuck it all drugs should be legal!

fman29.5 (k3vin k.), Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

penalties in ca may be reclassified (no longer misdemeanor)

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/cannabis-chronicles/marijuana-possession-less-than/

not posey: a problem (tremendoid), Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

i think the legalization ballot measure is going down fwiw, but the fact that it's a question is amazing even given the state of bud politics here.

vast majority of la dispensaries needing to ROLL with the punches meanwhile
http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_15235255?source=rss

not posey: a problem (tremendoid), Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

they're pushing to get full legalization on the ballot in oregon this fall

what it feels like for a goon (The Reverend), Sunday, 6 June 2010 21:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

Also, I don't know how it works, but if it makes people feel more comfortable maybe a mod can unindex this thread from google? (If not, can we move it to 77 or something?)

― Mordy, Sunday, June 6, 2010 12:37 PM (4 hours ago)

I've done this, though if it's kept to politics rather than personal habits, I don't know how necessary it was.

Grisly Addams (WmC), Sunday, 6 June 2010 22:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

i hope it's not just a lolcollege idea to want to see see all drugs legalized. obviously we're not talking crack being freely available to schoolkids from the corner shop here; there would besome kind of sliding scale of control, e.g. cannabis as free as tobacco, e/speed/coke over the counter at the pharmacy, heroin perhaps only on prescription for registered addicts. i really don't see the benefit in having any substance completely criminalised. it does not effectively discourage use; it turns ordinary people into criminals - at best merely for usage/possession, at worst for having to commit crime in order to maintain a supply; it enables an enormous criminal trade; it means there is no control over substance purity. if drugs were under government control they would be clean and pure, they could be taxed to help fund treatment for addicts, and there would surely be a huge reduction in drug related crime.

ok maybe things wouldn't be quite that rosy. but it's clear the current system is a complete failure. and in general while i'm far from libertarian i am a strong believer in personal liberty and the idea of the government having such a strong say over what i choose to put into my body is anathema to me.

sent from my neural lace (ledge), Sunday, 6 June 2010 22:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

no i don't think the lolcollege thing refers to what you're talking about, just a certain type of libertarian thinking. i don't believe in drug criminalization either for the same reasons as you said, it has done a lot of very bad things to america in my opinion.

harbl, Sunday, 6 June 2010 23:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

Full legalization is a LONG way away. The area of law I practice in, employment, is one of the areas where this is really clear: The California Fair Employment and Housing Act, or FEHA, recognizes the use of some prescription drugs, and mandates that employers, in certain situations, must accommodate the user of those drugs if the use of those drugs somehow limits their ability to do their job.

But it doesn't provide the same protections to medical marijuana. The way in which the Compassionate Care Act of 1996 was drafted, it addresses only the criminal aspects as it pertains to patients. It doesn't address employment aspects, or any of the other ways in which marijuana can impact lives. The CA Supreme Court ruled that employers do not have to accommodate compassionate care users for precisely this reason - the Act doesn't address employment law. Kind of a legal punt, but it drew attention to just how narrowly the Compassionate Care Act is drawn. There was an Oregon decision recently which arrived at the same rationale. Now, if two of the most pot-friendly states in the country have rulings like that on the books, the 9th circuit is not likely to hold another way if a case were to make it that far.

But the decriminalization has been good. And, in reality, no cop is going to bust you for a joint or a dime bag. Driving while doing smoking/stoned? Another story, as well it should be.

Let Amare go ham like he was all you can eating it (B.L.A.M.), Sunday, 6 June 2010 23:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

no cop is going to bust you for a joint or a dime bag.

if you have the right color of skin

donk quixote (The Reverend), Monday, 7 June 2010 14:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

I doubt we'll ever see pot legalized, though it would be so convenient if it was. OK, maybe not "ever," but I really seriously doubt it'll happen in the next 20-40 years, or so long as we have Mormons in the U.S.

breaking that little dog's heart chakra (Abbott), Monday, 7 June 2010 14:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

Rev otm, and if you're in the "wrong" neighborhood, you'd be surprised how small an infraction you can end up in handcuffs for

the mom most likely to comprehend juggalos (J0hn D.), Monday, 7 June 2010 14:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

no cop is going to bust you for a joint or a dime bag.

if you have the right color of skin

― donk quixote (The Reverend), Monday, June 7, 2010 10:02 AM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark

I used to work at a diner where for dishwashers we hired convicts who were trying to get back on their feet, and they were mostly black guys that had been in jail for years and years after being busted in this way. Legalization is in a large part a civil rights cause.

Adam Bruneau, Monday, 7 June 2010 16:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

i think the legalization ballot measure is going down fwiw

why do you think this...? I haven't seen any authoritative polling to-date.

in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 June 2010 16:36 (eight years ago) Permalink

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/may/31/local/la-me-0601-poll-20100529

i just have a feeling. people don't pay attention to propositions, even this one, until the ads start ratcheting up and the opposition has a lot of boogeymen to unleash, not to mention opposing the measure more forcefully in the coming months is low-hanging fruit for both of the likely gub nominees. from what i've seen, trying to put myself in the shoes of the 'average voter' the pro argument as articulated feels kind of ad-hoc but that could change too.

edd|e house is not a homie (tremendoid), Monday, 7 June 2010 17:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

Besides the Office of National Drug Control Policy, who funds opposition advertising? Someone said the cigarette companies spend a lot on opposition advertising, but I couldn't find any data to support that. Anyone here know?

Mordy, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

cigarette companies are all broke I thought

in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 June 2010 17:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

I would not be surprised if it were religious people (cough cough Mormons). If there *were* a national vote, you bet the Mormon Church would do a Prop-8 style $$$$ push to shut that shit down. I promise.

breaking that little dog's heart chakra (Abbott), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

are tobacco companies even allowed to spend campaign money? so many lawsuits/civil suits have crippled the industry

xp

in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

If there *were* a national vote, you bet the Mormon Church would do a Prop-8 style $$$$ push to shut that shit down. I promise.

I can see this happening. at the same time, most of the country does not love Mormons, much less being told what to do by Mormons.

in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

like what is the percentage that thinks Mormons aren't "really" Christians...? it's pretty high iirc

in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

Well, sure, but it worked w/Prop 8, right?

breaking that little dog's heart chakra (Abbott), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

And it's not like they would advertise, "WE, the MORMONS, want you to never smoke pot! And also we don't really have multiple wives. Brought to you by THE MORMONS."

breaking that little dog's heart chakra (Abbott), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

Sponsored by the Mormons For Curtailing Your Fun Committee for America (c)

Mordy, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:04 (eight years ago) Permalink

At any rate, this topic of converrsation ("will pot be legalized") always kind of feels like a mass funtime of projections of the speakers' pasts & desires. I, por ejemplo, would love for pot to be legalized, but grew up in a community where smoking weed was tantamount (in perceived riskiness & evilness) to smoking meth. This informs my perspective. I imagine someone who grew up in a less conservative area, or had pot-smoking parents, would have a more optimistic view. ANd someone who thinks weed is bad, and has never smoked it, would naturally be more inclined to say it's so not gonna happen. I feel in some ways like there's no way to know.

breaking that little dog's heart chakra (Abbott), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

i suspect in my lifetime we will see the states where it's been cleared for medical purposes legalize it wholesale; everywhere else will be in sort of limbo between where we are now and full legalization

used to bull's-eye Zach Wamps in my T-16 back home (will), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

It seems to me that once it's become fully legalized in a few states, it'll be de facto legal everywhere. They can't exactly set up state border patrols to make sure you aren't buying in NJ and driving it up to NY, or whatever.

Mordy, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

still pretty illegal in lots of europe, despite amsterdam

iatee, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:25 (eight years ago) Permalink

Europe's different

in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

As far as I know, Prohibition was repealed everywhere all at once, but an interesting comparison might be individual state tax laws on vices. Technically, afaik, it's illegal to buy alcohol in NJ and then drive it into PA, but this obviously happens all the time, whenever someone in Cherry Hill picks up a bottle of wine and then drives to his friend's place in Philadelphia, and it's de facto legal. How can you enforce that kind of law?

Mordy, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

wrt CA as an avowed pessimist the fact that they gathered the signatures still feels like found money, bottom line is i think the radius of 'public consciousness raising' for legalization hasn't extended nearly as far as the medical angle, which tbh still relies on compassion for the very very sick to get over (medical cannabis is not going away but it's still plenty begrudged among the majority of counties and municipalities). i mean i hope that's an antiguated view of how politics move in 2010 but yeah, prop 8. think we can just wipe away the culture of prohibition w/o at least will n' gracing it for a minute, it just can't be that easy, right?

edd|e house is not a homie (tremendoid), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah, i guess i would liken it blue laws around here. like, you would probably never ever be able to just pop by dispensary/ package store in the state of Tennessee and buy a nice bottle of wine and some white widow for your dinner party. but if you were pulled over and had an oz cops would just be like eh, whatever - as long as you aren't smokin & drivin (someone will obviously need to build some kind of breath-alizer for weed if it's ever to be legalized i'm guessing)

used to bull's-eye Zach Wamps in my T-16 back home (will), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

But are they cash for goods or is this gifting thing still going on?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:44 (two months ago) Permalink

So apparently there is this whole grey area system of buying some trinket from a dealer/dispensary/shop and then they throw in the pot as a "gift.”


just like how buying mix cds from the guy on 3rd avenue meant paying for the jewel case and artwork!

maura, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:49 (two months ago) Permalink

(there’s also a delivery service in dc and boston called high speed where the “goods” being sold are juices)

maura, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:49 (two months ago) Permalink

But are they cash for goods or is this gifting thing still going on?


You basically order your weed, pay for it and then get a sticker or a pen which it what you’re actually buying.

Heez, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 21:03 (two months ago) Permalink

So still gifting.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 21:06 (two months ago) Permalink

_ FWIW, I packed the couple of things I bought in my carry on bag and took them home. TSA doesn't care about that stuff, and even if anything somehow got on their radar I believe the policy is to refer (har?) it to the local police. But of course local police increasingly really doesn't care short of someone packing a huge duffel with drugs._

still incredulous about this part. Did you have actual stinky weed, or just edibles that could pass as snacks? Is this hearsay or did they actually see the stuff , identify it, and shrug?

calstars, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 22:26 (two months ago) Permalink

Edibles. No big clumps of stinky weed. But if you put your carry-on through the x-ray they rarely inspect it, and unless you leave, like, a bottle of liquids in there, they really have no reason to open your bag, ever. Drugs are not TSA's mandate, especially small quantities. They are looking for bombs and weapons and other hazardous stuff. From their site:

"Possession of marijuana and cannabis infused products, such as Cannabidiol (CBD) oil, is illegal under federal law. TSA officers are required to report any suspected violations of law, including possession of marijuana and cannabis infused products. TSA’s screening procedures are focused on security and are designed to detect potential threats to aviation and passengers. Accordingly, TSA security officers do not search for marijuana or other illegal drugs, but in the event a substance that appears to be marijuana or a cannabis infused product is observed during security screening, TSA will refer the matter to a law enforcement officer.."

So they are not looking for it, but if for some reason they found it - and again, why would they, unless something else in your bag flagged you - sure, in theory you could get in trouble, the same way the feds could theoretically shut down any shop (because it's illegal on a national level). But the last part is key: "TSA will refer the matter to a law enforcement officer." Which means local police. And increasingly local police don't give a shit about personal use amounts.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 22:50 (two months ago) Permalink

I did see it recommended in multiple places not to pack it in checked baggage, though, if you're worried, because those bags do get searched/sniffed more often than when you're just zipping through security.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 22:51 (two months ago) Permalink

still incredulous about this part. Did you have actual stinky weed, or just edibles that could pass as snacks? Is this hearsay or did they actually see the stuff , identify it, and shrug?

edibles are usually individually wrapped, so there's nothing to smell even if they don't just smell like gummies or mints or cookies or w/e

16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 23:28 (two months ago) Permalink

would never take the risk of trying to get anything illegal through security

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 2 August 2018 00:02 (two months ago) Permalink

I don't think I would make a habit of it. But certainly encourages you to let your guard down after you've spent a week where open use and stores are a thing, even in the middle of nowhere, and when even the TSA website comes as close as they are legally able to saying NBD.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 August 2018 00:42 (two months ago) Permalink

Good article here: https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/2018/02/07/can-you-fly-marijuana-within-legalized-states/312169002/

Basic takeaway, marijuana (medical or otherwise) is *always* illegal/not allowed in airports, even in states where it is fully legal, but there is barely any enforcement if it is found. (Apparently the TSA originally ok'd possession for air travel before immediately backing up and away to its current ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ position.) The worst that will generally happen is they would contact the local police, and it sounds like the worst the local police will do is either tell you to bring it back to the car, give it to a friend, throw it away, etc. In the article it says Denver in 2015 busted something like 26 people, and none of them were even ticketed. By 2016, they didn't bother even keeping records. This, of course, is in states where it is legal, but I think the presumption is that is where you'd be bringing it from, anyway. Definitely don't see why you would ever be stopped when you get to where you're going. YMMV, of course.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 August 2018 11:52 (two months ago) Permalink

I would not be to concerned with personal use quantities. Idk I bring stuff with me all the time

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 2 August 2018 11:56 (two months ago) Permalink

throwing a vape pen in your toiletry bag is something that is nbd ime

marcos, Thursday, 2 August 2018 13:28 (two months ago) Permalink

flying w/ plant material would scare me a little though

if it can be mistaken for a legal product - an e-cigarette, a cookie, gummy bears, i don't think there is much risk if you have a tiny, personal amount

marcos, Thursday, 2 August 2018 13:29 (two months ago) Permalink

Also depends on where you're flying back to. If I'm headed into DFW or Love Field, I wouldn't bring back anything that isn't an unmarked edible.

louise ck (milo z), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:38 (two months ago) Permalink

all the articles on cannabis dosages are lol worthy to me lately

one problem with legalization is it opens it up to people who have never tried pot and will try it and are clueless how to consume it

i dont need a fucking scientist to tell me an edible will mangle my shit

eris (Ross), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:40 (two months ago) Permalink

The TSA can’t even find the things it is looking for.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelgoldstein/2017/11/09/tsa-misses-70-of-fake-weapons-but-thats-an-improvement/

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:47 (two months ago) Permalink

I don't know, I disagree. For example, the edibles we bought were very clear that the doses could take 1-2 hours to kick in, and once they did their effects could last a few hours (which is longer than smoking, afaik). So they have pretty gentle warnings on them not to take more if you don't think they're doing much, since "dosage" could be different for everyone, and instead wait a little. One person might get what they want from a 5mg dosed square of chocolate, another might need the whole bar. This is really important for the people taking it for health reasons. Trial and error, gradually up dose until you know what works and how it works.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:47 (two months ago) Permalink

xpost

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:48 (two months ago) Permalink

The way edibles are made now, with THC isolate and production standards makes the dosing very valuable IMO - you can know the smaller amount to take to feel something but not "mangle my shit."

louise ck (milo z), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:52 (two months ago) Permalink

eh i worded myself poorly

i just worry that with the influx of norms using this stuff there will be some bad side-eye - ex. a woman recently chastised smoking joints while buying edibles in a dispensary, as a new user. nobody is gonna make me feel bad for smoking

eris (Ross), Thursday, 2 August 2018 22:17 (two months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

I found myself in a weird situation this past weekend, hobnobbing with venture capitalists and start-up CEOs and bullshit like that. One guy was telling me about his business plan, which was vague bs but I played along. It involved monetizing aspects of pro video gamers and also music festivals. Well, I said, half-joking, if you're partnering up with video game players and concert goers, then clearly your next step is cannabis. His eyes go wide and he looks at me like I am some sort of genius rather than a layman stating the obvious. He turns to a partner of his and says something like "Stephanie!!! Ask Josh what the third platform of our plan is after video games and concerts!!!!" She turns to me: "What's the third platform?" "Drugs?" I say again. And she loses it as well. Buncha geniuses, reinventing the wheel.

Related, he told me his investment strategy in this nascent industry is putting money into European companies, figuring they'll swoop in when it's easier. Similar to someone else I know investing in sort of brick and mortar shops, figuring (probably correctly) that once all is legal and on the up and up someone like AmBev will just buy shit up and they can cash out. Then again, I also know of folks already making so much money they're literally burying cash in their backyard. I personally think if/once Michigan goes largely legal this November that's pretty much the tipping point for legalization. This was interesting, at least as an armchair observer:

https://www.bridgemi.com/quality-life/whats-legal-and-what-isnt-under-michigan-recreational-marijuana-plan-slideshow

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 September 2018 14:54 (one month ago) Permalink

lol

dig me out requiem (Ross), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:12 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah I think MI is going to be a big deal. We've got like 10 million people and are within a half a day's drive from Indianapolis, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Toledo, Chicago, Columbus, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, etc which is another couple of million. And to my knowledge none of those places have anything like Michigan's existing medical system with hundreds of stores and relatively easy to get cards so weed tourism seems like it would be novel.

Some private investors bought 130 acres recently near two major highways with plans for a huge grow / processing / testing facility ostensibly for the medical market but I imagine they doubt that will be a limitation for very long.

joygoat, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:33 (one month ago) Permalink

states' rights! states' rights!!

https://www.civilized.life/articles/congress-removes-medical-marijuana-veterans-protections/

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 12 September 2018 12:02 (one month ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

https://www.flylax.com/en/lax-marijuana-policy

sweet

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 28 September 2018 18:02 (three weeks ago) Permalink

wow

macropuente (map), Friday, 28 September 2018 18:28 (three weeks ago) Permalink

tight

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 28 September 2018 18:32 (three weeks ago) Permalink

when come bring gra$$

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 28 September 2018 18:33 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Looking forward to my upcoming trip to California

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 28 September 2018 18:33 (three weeks ago) Permalink

and your return therefrom

Betting Eighty Hams (sic), Friday, 28 September 2018 18:35 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Could be

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 28 September 2018 18:36 (three weeks ago) Permalink

lax indeed

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Friday, 28 September 2018 19:09 (three weeks ago) Permalink

woot woot

calstars, Friday, 28 September 2018 19:35 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I literally just read a story the other day about TSA being dicks in CA, and referring everything they find to local police - despite local police not giving a shit. As it said, you won't get arrested, but you might miss your flight.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 28 September 2018 19:39 (three weeks ago) Permalink

oh will I tho *lights doobie*

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 28 September 2018 19:46 (three weeks ago) Permalink

hahaha

sleeve, Friday, 28 September 2018 19:47 (three weeks ago) Permalink

is it risky to mail a used (but thoroughly cleaned) herbal vaporizer from CA to PA? is this the sort of thing where you could run afoul of paraphenalia laws?

the late great, Saturday, 29 September 2018 20:23 (three weeks ago) Permalink

no you'll be fine. i've mailed cannabis from CO to PA numerous times and it went smooth.

Mordy, Saturday, 29 September 2018 20:39 (three weeks ago) Permalink

yeah i’m not sending any herb just an old unused vape for a brother who just had a surgery and can’t handle any coughing

thx for the tip

the late great, Saturday, 29 September 2018 20:42 (three weeks ago) Permalink

If you have a friend with a vacuum sealer for freezing food, you could double bag it to be extra safe.

louise ck (milo z), Saturday, 29 September 2018 21:13 (three weeks ago) Permalink

that's a good idea too

the late great, Saturday, 29 September 2018 21:18 (three weeks ago) Permalink

You guys have balls of steel

calstars, Saturday, 29 September 2018 21:22 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i don't!

the late great, Saturday, 29 September 2018 21:26 (three weeks ago) Permalink

this is like a tabletop dry herb vaporizer so i was able to clean it pretty well and you can always claim it's for non-cannabis use, right?

i can't find any specific legal advice on sending these in the mail though, everything i am finding is advice on mailing e-cigarettes and oil vaporizers

the late great, Saturday, 29 September 2018 21:29 (three weeks ago) Permalink

People sell used ones on Ebay pretty regularly, I don't think you'll run into any issues - it's totally the head shop 'for tobacco use only' situation.

louise ck (milo z), Saturday, 29 September 2018 21:54 (three weeks ago) Permalink

From what I've read, send US mail, not UPS or FedEx (US mail requires a warrant to open). And make sure it goes first class, with a tracking number, so you know if it's been "delayed" (or seized). You'll probably be fine, like 99.99% chance, but keep in mind we have a psycho prude in charge at US justice with a particular weird thing against pot.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 29 September 2018 22:02 (three weeks ago) Permalink

believe me i’m aware

that sounds like good advice too

the late great, Saturday, 29 September 2018 22:16 (three weeks ago) Permalink

ty all

the late great, Saturday, 29 September 2018 22:16 (three weeks ago) Permalink


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