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Just read a great article about race + marijuana arrests in New York by Mark Jacobson: http://nymag.com/news/features/58995/

I don't think there's another thread like this -- a place to discuss the current movements to legalize marijuana (medicinally or otherwise) throughout the United States (and anywhere else that interests people), and any other legal/political/racial issues involved.

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 17:37 (nine years ago) link

Also, I don't know how it works, but if it makes people feel more comfortable maybe a mod can unindex this thread from google? (If not, can we move it to 77 or something?)

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 17:37 (nine years ago) link

Cary Tennis' last column on Salon is called "How I Became a Pothead": http://www.salon.com/life/drugs/index.html?story=/mwt/col/tenn/2010/06/03/marijuana

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 17:41 (nine years ago) link

Some other more recent stories:

Marie Myung-Ok Lee's "Why I Give My 9-Year-Old Pot" Series from Slate:
http://www.slate.com/id/2251174/

Marijuana inspiring Cuisine in NY Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/19/dining/19pot.html

Jack Shafer telling NY Times they are ridiculous for writing that piece:
http://www.slate.com/id/2254397/

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 17:44 (nine years ago) link

not sure i want to read "why i gave my 9-year-old pot" but.. hm..
intriguingly, my mom's position on weed has flipped--she used to bother me about 'becoming a druggie' and now she is all 'oh, i think pot should be legalized.' maybe she's been lighting up?

ian, Sunday, 6 June 2010 18:52 (nine years ago) link

living in massachusetts i can openly smoke pot at my gay wedding, but good luck to the rest of you.

scott seward, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:05 (nine years ago) link

http://johngushue.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/05/19/bob_dylan_greenwich_village.jpg

Come gather round people wherever you roam...

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:07 (nine years ago) link

I cannot help but conclude, after a lifetime of observation, that the present power regime in the USA will never consent to legalize drugs, even if it results in more rational regulation of these activities, a massively lowering of the costs of incarceration (both social as well as monetary), and a cutting off of the funding for huge criminal organizations.

There's just too much money at stake in continuing the drug war now. The cops are mostly in favor of it, because it gives them more power and money, and they get to look like they are saving society from a scourge, while they are just engaging in a lot of fruitless, showy, theatrical idiocy. The prison industry is all for it. And politicians love it, because hating on druggies is the opposite side of the coin from loving mom and apple pie.

Against such stupidity even the gods contend in vain.

Aimless, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:09 (nine years ago) link

Really? Cause the winds seem to be heavily blowing towards legalization.

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:09 (nine years ago) link

Just became medically legalized in NJ, NY is currently looking to medically legalize it.

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:10 (nine years ago) link

i hate the focus on medical though, no one should have to give a reason or be able to see a doctor to engage in freedom

harbl, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:14 (nine years ago) link

Those winds of legalization will die away to a whisper in the South. If the Feds maintain prohibition, then the states will not be able to enact the kind of reform and regulation that will do a proper job of it.

Aimless, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:15 (nine years ago) link

I'm okay with that. I think that if it becomes legal (or de facto legal) in enough of the country, eventually that'll push things over federally too. You just need to build some momentum, and I see momentum all over the place.

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:16 (nine years ago) link

If we could just strangle enough RRW Republicans, then maybe...

Aimless, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:22 (nine years ago) link

... but moral scruples forbid me to discuss this line of thought.

Aimless, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:23 (nine years ago) link

i hate the focus on medical though, no one should have to give a reason or be able to see a doctor to engage in freedom

― harbl, Sunday, June 6, 2010 3:14 PM (41 minutes ago)

idk, i agree totally about pot and think that all drug possessions should be decriminalized, but i wouldn't extend that 'freedom' to other illicit drugs or prescription medications obv

fman29.5 (k3vin k.), Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:07 (nine years ago) link

neither would i!

harbl, Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:08 (nine years ago) link

ha yeah i basically figured that's what you meant, i'm in lolcollege so i've had one too many conversations w/ ppl who are like yeah pot should be legal! fuck it all drugs should be legal!

fman29.5 (k3vin k.), Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:10 (nine years ago) link

penalties in ca may be reclassified (no longer misdemeanor)

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/cannabis-chronicles/marijuana-possession-less-than/

not posey: a problem (tremendoid), Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:18 (nine years ago) link

http://i561.photobucket.com/albums/ss51/tr_fudge/arnold_smoking-pot-thumb-300x238.jpg

if dude can hold the pen straight

not posey: a problem (tremendoid), Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:20 (nine years ago) link

i think the legalization ballot measure is going down fwiw, but the fact that it's a question is amazing even given the state of bud politics here.

vast majority of la dispensaries needing to ROLL with the punches meanwhile
http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_15235255?source=rss

not posey: a problem (tremendoid), Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:24 (nine years ago) link

they're pushing to get full legalization on the ballot in oregon this fall

what it feels like for a goon (The Reverend), Sunday, 6 June 2010 21:51 (nine years ago) link

Also, I don't know how it works, but if it makes people feel more comfortable maybe a mod can unindex this thread from google? (If not, can we move it to 77 or something?)

― Mordy, Sunday, June 6, 2010 12:37 PM (4 hours ago)

I've done this, though if it's kept to politics rather than personal habits, I don't know how necessary it was.

Grisly Addams (WmC), Sunday, 6 June 2010 22:02 (nine years ago) link

i hope it's not just a lolcollege idea to want to see see all drugs legalized. obviously we're not talking crack being freely available to schoolkids from the corner shop here; there would besome kind of sliding scale of control, e.g. cannabis as free as tobacco, e/speed/coke over the counter at the pharmacy, heroin perhaps only on prescription for registered addicts. i really don't see the benefit in having any substance completely criminalised. it does not effectively discourage use; it turns ordinary people into criminals - at best merely for usage/possession, at worst for having to commit crime in order to maintain a supply; it enables an enormous criminal trade; it means there is no control over substance purity. if drugs were under government control they would be clean and pure, they could be taxed to help fund treatment for addicts, and there would surely be a huge reduction in drug related crime.

ok maybe things wouldn't be quite that rosy. but it's clear the current system is a complete failure. and in general while i'm far from libertarian i am a strong believer in personal liberty and the idea of the government having such a strong say over what i choose to put into my body is anathema to me.

sent from my neural lace (ledge), Sunday, 6 June 2010 22:27 (nine years ago) link

no i don't think the lolcollege thing refers to what you're talking about, just a certain type of libertarian thinking. i don't believe in drug criminalization either for the same reasons as you said, it has done a lot of very bad things to america in my opinion.

harbl, Sunday, 6 June 2010 23:05 (nine years ago) link

Full legalization is a LONG way away. The area of law I practice in, employment, is one of the areas where this is really clear: The California Fair Employment and Housing Act, or FEHA, recognizes the use of some prescription drugs, and mandates that employers, in certain situations, must accommodate the user of those drugs if the use of those drugs somehow limits their ability to do their job.

But it doesn't provide the same protections to medical marijuana. The way in which the Compassionate Care Act of 1996 was drafted, it addresses only the criminal aspects as it pertains to patients. It doesn't address employment aspects, or any of the other ways in which marijuana can impact lives. The CA Supreme Court ruled that employers do not have to accommodate compassionate care users for precisely this reason - the Act doesn't address employment law. Kind of a legal punt, but it drew attention to just how narrowly the Compassionate Care Act is drawn. There was an Oregon decision recently which arrived at the same rationale. Now, if two of the most pot-friendly states in the country have rulings like that on the books, the 9th circuit is not likely to hold another way if a case were to make it that far.

But the decriminalization has been good. And, in reality, no cop is going to bust you for a joint or a dime bag. Driving while doing smoking/stoned? Another story, as well it should be.

Let Amare go ham like he was all you can eating it (B.L.A.M.), Sunday, 6 June 2010 23:13 (nine years ago) link

no cop is going to bust you for a joint or a dime bag.

if you have the right color of skin

donk quixote (The Reverend), Monday, 7 June 2010 14:02 (nine years ago) link

I doubt we'll ever see pot legalized, though it would be so convenient if it was. OK, maybe not "ever," but I really seriously doubt it'll happen in the next 20-40 years, or so long as we have Mormons in the U.S.

breaking that little dog's heart chakra (Abbott), Monday, 7 June 2010 14:14 (nine years ago) link

Rev otm, and if you're in the "wrong" neighborhood, you'd be surprised how small an infraction you can end up in handcuffs for

the mom most likely to comprehend juggalos (J0hn D.), Monday, 7 June 2010 14:54 (nine years ago) link

no cop is going to bust you for a joint or a dime bag.

if you have the right color of skin

― donk quixote (The Reverend), Monday, June 7, 2010 10:02 AM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark

I used to work at a diner where for dishwashers we hired convicts who were trying to get back on their feet, and they were mostly black guys that had been in jail for years and years after being busted in this way. Legalization is in a large part a civil rights cause.

Adam Bruneau, Monday, 7 June 2010 16:31 (nine years ago) link

i think the legalization ballot measure is going down fwiw

why do you think this...? I haven't seen any authoritative polling to-date.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/may/31/local/la-me-0601-poll-20100529

i just have a feeling. people don't pay attention to propositions, even this one, until the ads start ratcheting up and the opposition has a lot of boogeymen to unleash, not to mention opposing the measure more forcefully in the coming months is low-hanging fruit for both of the likely gub nominees. from what i've seen, trying to put myself in the shoes of the 'average voter' the pro argument as articulated feels kind of ad-hoc but that could change too.

edd|e house is not a homie (tremendoid), Monday, 7 June 2010 17:51 (nine years ago) link

Besides the Office of National Drug Control Policy, who funds opposition advertising? Someone said the cigarette companies spend a lot on opposition advertising, but I couldn't find any data to support that. Anyone here know?

Mordy, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:57 (nine years ago) link

cigarette companies are all broke I thought

I would not be surprised if it were religious people (cough cough Mormons). If there *were* a national vote, you bet the Mormon Church would do a Prop-8 style $$$$ push to shut that shit down. I promise.

breaking that little dog's heart chakra (Abbott), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:00 (nine years ago) link

are tobacco companies even allowed to spend campaign money? so many lawsuits/civil suits have crippled the industry

xp

If there *were* a national vote, you bet the Mormon Church would do a Prop-8 style $$$$ push to shut that shit down. I promise.

I can see this happening. at the same time, most of the country does not love Mormons, much less being told what to do by Mormons.

like what is the percentage that thinks Mormons aren't "really" Christians...? it's pretty high iirc

Well, sure, but it worked w/Prop 8, right?

breaking that little dog's heart chakra (Abbott), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:01 (nine years ago) link

And it's not like they would advertise, "WE, the MORMONS, want you to never smoke pot! And also we don't really have multiple wives. Brought to you by THE MORMONS."

breaking that little dog's heart chakra (Abbott), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:02 (nine years ago) link

Sponsored by the Mormons For Curtailing Your Fun Committee for America (c)

Mordy, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:04 (nine years ago) link

At any rate, this topic of converrsation ("will pot be legalized") always kind of feels like a mass funtime of projections of the speakers' pasts & desires. I, por ejemplo, would love for pot to be legalized, but grew up in a community where smoking weed was tantamount (in perceived riskiness & evilness) to smoking meth. This informs my perspective. I imagine someone who grew up in a less conservative area, or had pot-smoking parents, would have a more optimistic view. ANd someone who thinks weed is bad, and has never smoked it, would naturally be more inclined to say it's so not gonna happen. I feel in some ways like there's no way to know.

breaking that little dog's heart chakra (Abbott), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:06 (nine years ago) link

i suspect in my lifetime we will see the states where it's been cleared for medical purposes legalize it wholesale; everywhere else will be in sort of limbo between where we are now and full legalization

used to bull's-eye Zach Wamps in my T-16 back home (will), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:15 (nine years ago) link

It seems to me that once it's become fully legalized in a few states, it'll be de facto legal everywhere. They can't exactly set up state border patrols to make sure you aren't buying in NJ and driving it up to NY, or whatever.

Mordy, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:17 (nine years ago) link

still pretty illegal in lots of europe, despite amsterdam

iatee, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:25 (nine years ago) link

Europe's different

As far as I know, Prohibition was repealed everywhere all at once, but an interesting comparison might be individual state tax laws on vices. Technically, afaik, it's illegal to buy alcohol in NJ and then drive it into PA, but this obviously happens all the time, whenever someone in Cherry Hill picks up a bottle of wine and then drives to his friend's place in Philadelphia, and it's de facto legal. How can you enforce that kind of law?

Mordy, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:35 (nine years ago) link

wrt CA as an avowed pessimist the fact that they gathered the signatures still feels like found money, bottom line is i think the radius of 'public consciousness raising' for legalization hasn't extended nearly as far as the medical angle, which tbh still relies on compassion for the very very sick to get over (medical cannabis is not going away but it's still plenty begrudged among the majority of counties and municipalities). i mean i hope that's an antiguated view of how politics move in 2010 but yeah, prop 8. think we can just wipe away the culture of prohibition w/o at least will n' gracing it for a minute, it just can't be that easy, right?

edd|e house is not a homie (tremendoid), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:39 (nine years ago) link

yeah, i guess i would liken it blue laws around here. like, you would probably never ever be able to just pop by dispensary/ package store in the state of Tennessee and buy a nice bottle of wine and some white widow for your dinner party. but if you were pulled over and had an oz cops would just be like eh, whatever - as long as you aren't smokin & drivin (someone will obviously need to build some kind of breath-alizer for weed if it's ever to be legalized i'm guessing)

used to bull's-eye Zach Wamps in my T-16 back home (will), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:42 (nine years ago) link

xpost FWIW, this is how (for example) Cresco responded to the illnesses:

A MESSAGE TO OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT OUR VAPE PRODUCTS
We are deeply concerned by the recent news reports surrounding certain vape products and their alleged connection to detrimental health outcomes.

At Cresco Labs, we do not use vitamin E acetate as an additive in any vape products, nor do we use cutting agents such as polyethylene glycol (PEG), propylene glycol (PG), vegetable glycerin (VG) or medium chain triglycerides (MCT) which are used by many vape manufacturers.

Our vaping hardware is produced by vendors that maintain the highest quality standards, and we operate with the highest-level manufacturing processes in the most regulated cannabis programs in the country. All products are third-party tested for any outside contaminants to ensure compliance with all applicable state laws.

Please contact feedb✧✧✧@crescol✧✧✧.c✧✧ with any questions, and share this post with those who might be concerned with their vape products.

We will continue to regulate ourselves to a higher standard because it’s the right thing to do. In everything we do, we are not just growing, we are growing for you.

I think the sudden jump in cases must have something to do with bad or bootleg carts, THC or no, but of course I think the science is still out on the longterm safety of oils. I mean, I don't think any of it is "good" for you, per se, but if anyone was nervous, probably better to stick with edibles or dry-herb vaporizing or combustion, whose safety or lack thereof at least seems a little better understood.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 20:23 (five months ago) link

That's kinda my read on it too, people have been vaping for years and this just sorta came out of nowhere. But it's premature to say it's just bootlegs or shady THC carts, some of the people hospitalized weren't using them and not all the carts tested had the vitamin E acetate in them. The correlation definitely seems to be there but I feel like it's best to wait a month or two until they know more.

frogbs, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 22:29 (five months ago) link

iirc I'm not sure California, of all states, does either?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 22:45 (five months ago) link

I'm also curious as to why there are so many isolated cases nationwide - you'd think if it was *just* a bad batch of carts you'd see a bunch of them localized in a certain region.

frogbs, Thursday, 26 September 2019 00:15 (four months ago) link

Could be people under reporting. There also really is not that much public info available, and what little there is is short on specifics and long on conflating products. Not all "Vapes" are the same.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 26 September 2019 00:55 (four months ago) link

especially since there isn't a lot of info as to how much exactly these folks are smoking. I'd imagine you can hit a tainted vape a few times before ending up in the emergency room.

frogbs, Thursday, 26 September 2019 20:55 (four months ago) link

i blame dr. luther san

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 26 September 2019 20:56 (four months ago) link

maybe you just didn't follow his system properly. you have to execute all the purification steps.

frogbs, Thursday, 26 September 2019 20:57 (four months ago) link

could be certain ppl are predisposed to have this happen and it's a fairly small % of gen population. while the rest of us can vape with impunity.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 26 September 2019 21:05 (four months ago) link

And not every smoker gets cancer, etc.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 26 September 2019 21:32 (four months ago) link

four weeks pass...

Too many lives were ruined due to the disastrous criminalization of marijuana. Today I am releasing my plan to:

✅ Legalize marijuana with executive action
✅ Expunge past marijuana convictions
✅ Invest in communities most affected by the War on Drugs https://t.co/0xQSHn6F3U

— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) October 24, 2019

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 24 October 2019 22:37 (four months ago) link

Am I crazy or is this potentially a very big deal? Talk about something to galvanize non voters

frogbs, Thursday, 24 October 2019 23:07 (four months ago) link

Ridiculous that every Democratic contender hasn't had this as a plank already.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 24 October 2019 23:19 (four months ago) link

4:20 West Coast time there? nice touch if so

Book Doula (sleeve), Friday, 25 October 2019 01:30 (four months ago) link

two months pass...

21+ and $$$ will get you legal cannabis in IL starting today.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 16:56 (one month ago) link

And waiting in long lines I assume. Happy for all my IL people tho!

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 21:34 (one month ago) link

https://www.wbez.org/shows/wbez-news/first-day-of-legal-weed-sales-in-photos/793faa6a-0b13-426d-b146-c6539f1a3d83

For posterity, lines won’t always be this long

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 22:06 (one month ago) link

Yeah, first they have to run out.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 1 January 2020 23:10 (one month ago) link

The local place is right around the corner from Trader Joe's, so I was able to see that there was still a pretty substantial line this morning around 9:30am. I'm curious, once the dust settles, what a typical non-holiday adjacent day will look like.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 January 2020 17:34 (one month ago) link

love the smile on the man in that wbez link that caption says had been locked up on weed charges

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 2 January 2020 17:40 (one month ago) link

can non-IL residents purchase it? asking for a friend

💠 (crüt), Thursday, 2 January 2020 17:42 (one month ago) link

Yes there are no restrictions like that with full rec

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 2 January 2020 17:53 (one month ago) link

21+, still cash only, there may be out of state limits?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 January 2020 17:55 (one month ago) link

i predict this summer is going to bring all sorts of new tourism :)

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 2 January 2020 18:01 (one month ago) link

I've heard the prices are quite insane

frogbs, Thursday, 2 January 2020 18:52 (one month ago) link

legal weed prices in bc are nuts. i bought legal weed for the first time ever and the weed was not very good and cost > $40 (canadian obv) for 3.5 grams. i can go to an illegal dispensary with slightly worse weed and pay $5 a gram

xmas respecter (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 2 January 2020 18:54 (one month ago) link

with the illegal weed I'm not paying tax and probably funding the hell's angels so it's not like there's no downside obv

xmas respecter (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 2 January 2020 18:55 (one month ago) link

wait what's an illegal dispensary?

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 2 January 2020 18:56 (one month ago) link

weed was de facto decriminalized here before it became legal and we had quite a lot of dispensaries. police would occasionally fuck with them but most operated without too many problems. with legality there was heightened pressure on these unregulated dispensaries with most of the existing dispensaries closing down, with only a minority going through the process to become part of the legal weed system. a small minority have not gone down the legal route, and not yet closed down.

xmas respecter (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 2 January 2020 19:05 (one month ago) link

jim if it helps either way you are paying significantly less than i am to buy it illegally in new york

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 January 2020 19:07 (one month ago) link

3.5 grams is pretty much automatically $50-60 USD here from every dealer and service i've dealt with

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 January 2020 19:07 (one month ago) link

ouch!

xmas respecter (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 2 January 2020 19:08 (one month ago) link

it's crazy how the 6th and 10th largest US states opened recreational stores in the last month and one of the lieutenant governors even showed up and bought weed at one and it seems barely newsworthy.

is this kind of the end of prohibition in the national consciousness, save for the long dragged out resistance from the puritanical or vindictive who want to keep arresting people? When was the last time the dea raided a shop anywhere?

joygoat, Thursday, 2 January 2020 19:08 (one month ago) link

so an illegal dispensary is like a storefront that sells black market goods? we def do not have those.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 2 January 2020 19:09 (one month ago) link

I expect the illegal dispensaries are cheaper in large part because they evade the taxes and fees the legal dispensaries must pay. Now that weed is legal, but regulated, in BC I'd expect that the illegal dispensaries will be forced into legality or else shut down. But, if the experience of WA, OR and CA are any guide, then BC will soon have a glut of weed supply and prices will drop.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 2 January 2020 19:12 (one month ago) link

medical store prices in mi went way up after it was legalized (to 50 for 3.5gm which is insane) and only a few strictly rec stores have opened so it's in weird chaos mode right now

joygoat, Thursday, 2 January 2020 19:13 (one month ago) link

is this kind of the end of prohibition in the national consciousness, save for the long dragged out resistance from the puritanical or vindictive who want to keep arresting people?

That's a pretty significant "save for." There are vast swaths of this country that are still very conservative, from dry counties to conceal carry states to those closing abortion clinics. There are states and places as reactionary as others are progressive. The question I have (for now) is how much police action there will be on the Wisconsin and Indiana borders; I've heard of people getting busted for bringing fireworks here across state lines, I can only imagine WI and IN will be pretty hardcore about catching people trying to bring pot out. Then again, who knows?

Also, recreation and sin taxes are annoying, but IL needs money, badly.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 January 2020 19:26 (one month ago) link

The question I have (for now) is how much police action there will be on the Wisconsin and Indiana borders; I've heard of people getting busted for bringing fireworks here across state lines, I can only imagine WI and IN will be pretty hardcore about catching people trying to bring pot out. Then again, who knows?

I don't think you need to worry about this too much. Some people may get busted if they press their luck but they always will regardless of their contraband.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 2 January 2020 19:30 (one month ago) link

I've heard of people getting busted for bringing fireworks here across state lines

When you consider the volume of traffic across state lines, the available police resources, and the constitutional protections against unreasonable searches and seizures, I can't imagine this happens very often, unless it is concomitant to a routine traffic stop, or else you are caught Driving While Black.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 2 January 2020 19:50 (one month ago) link

there are still states where you can't buy liquor on sundays. i don't imagine even when it's cleared nationally that every city will be down.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 2 January 2020 19:57 (one month ago) link

it becomes a localized issue. towns and counties can block dispensaries. see: western colorado, eastern washington. but then as it turns out you can be racist/sexist/reactionary and still be a pothead. so conservative areas eventually realize it's nbd. i'm sure there are some differences in the details but it's been recreationally legal in the west for years and a lot of the what-ifs itt have plenty of precedent at this point.

ingredience (map), Thursday, 2 January 2020 20:58 (one month ago) link

congrats il!

ingredience (map), Thursday, 2 January 2020 20:59 (one month ago) link

xpost There are cities and towns here that have said no, iirc. Like ... Naperville? More than a few.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 January 2020 21:27 (one month ago) link

"Consumers are expected to spend $420 million at Illinois dispensaries this year, Brightfield Group predicts."

Well played, Brightfield Group

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 2 January 2020 23:01 (one month ago) link

does any one have a clue why the shares of mary jane shares are not stopping to plunge? the canadian etf has lost more than 60% in the last year or so.

walking towards the sun since 2007 (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 3 January 2020 20:37 (one month ago) link

It's a good question. I've heard things have been pretty poorly run up in Canada, but yeah, they've been down pretty much across the board. One theory is that investors have often been working outside the purview of advisors, who I suspect have been pretty hands-off, given its gray area status. So what's been pushing and pulling the market has perhaps been day traders and amateurs, parties that thrive on instability. Let's see how it goes this year.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 3 January 2020 20:57 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

I was just reading a local editorial countering a claim in a different paper that as early as last October the smell of pot was everywhere. This new column insisted its author hadn't encountered the smell *anywhere* since legalization, which makes me question his sense of smell, because yeah, it's everywhere. On the highway (har), in museums, driving around the suburbs, walking around the city. Granted, it doesn't take much, but it is a bit of a nuisance. I came to the conclusion some weeks ago that after legalization 90% of Chicago would smell like either pot or fast food, and, well ... that's about right. I suppose in any densely populated area it's impossible to expect every person to be considerate. I just tell my kids to get used to it.

In the meantime, the sleepy alley entrance by the local dispensary has never been busier. Buncha dudes bundled together for the elements, streaming into the streets. It's like Goose Island's Black Friday every day. I'm curious if it's just a weekend and holiday thing. For sure for now it's mostly a morning thing, since currently to try and counter supply issues recreational sales have supposedly been limited to a few hours, to guarantee medical card holders an adequate supply. Though honestly I have no idea how or if that is working out.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 21 January 2020 13:01 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

LA County DA To Dismiss Nearly 66K Marijuana Convictions

sleeve, Friday, 14 February 2020 06:20 (one week ago) link


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