What Would Happen if Morales Wins in Bolivia?

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would the US government really shut down all relations and lose all that sweet gas or will they do another Chavez on him, joining up the companys and plant stories that the people doesnt like him?

Chupa-Cabras, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
I was born in Bolivia to Peace Corps parents but left there as a baby and have only visited once, briefly. While I was there, the road from La Paz to Cochabamba was blocked by campesinos protesting the privatization of water.

Can you fill me in?

Did Morales win? Did the US shut down relations?

Maria D., Saturday, 11 October 2003 01:10 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www-gap.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Miscellaneous/Briggs/Diagrams/Ch18-2.gif

Dada, Saturday, 11 October 2003 04:56 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...
REVIVE! (now that he's actually won an election)

Evo Morales, Classic or Dud? Too soon to know, obv., but a fascinating guy.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 19 December 2005 22:22 (fifteen years ago) link

Something I don't know: Will he be the first indigenous/Indian president in the Americas?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 19 December 2005 22:38 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't know nothin bout this dude - but after Googling him my first impression is HUZZAH! I'm loving the recent resurgence of south American leftism.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 19 December 2005 22:47 (fifteen years ago) link

two years pass...

So...how do we feel he is doing so far?

laxalt, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 10:33 (twelve years ago) link

Also has anyone read the Benjamin Dangl book yet?

laxalt, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 12:11 (twelve years ago) link

http://upsidedownworld.org/main/content/view/1203/1/

laxalt, Sunday, 6 April 2008 18:19 (twelve years ago) link

two years pass...

kinda lol but mostly sad, sure "problems being men" will mean homosexuality.

404s & Heartbreak (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 23:53 (ten years ago) link

probably just means problems getting or keeping it up, no? hence use of word "virility".

latin leaders be superstitious.

by another name (amateurist), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 00:07 (ten years ago) link

nah, just read it in spanish, he uses the phrase "desviaciones en su ser como hombres" which is fairly unambiguous.

404s & Heartbreak (jim in glasgow), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 00:10 (ten years ago) link

just sad that i have to stop eating chicken tbh :(

404s & Heartbreak (jim in glasgow), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 00:11 (ten years ago) link

heaveho morales

livestock crush (velko), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 00:25 (ten years ago) link

nine years pass...

thread

In most of the major Latin American coups I can think of, 1) the elected President and supporters did make errors, or even broke the law and 2) the coup was preceded by protests.

What matters is how the leader is removed, and which power is installed afterward

— Vincent Bevins (@Vinncent) November 11, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 15:56 (one year ago) link

do I personally like the idea of a 4-term president? Nope (though do a coup on Merkel next)

Oh come the fuck on. Can we stop being complete idiots here?

Frederik B, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 17:35 (one year ago) link

on Twitter?

grebbmoolb (crüt), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 17:37 (one year ago) link

Lol. Obviously not. Ilx.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 17:39 (one year ago) link

you could read the thread were he admits the comparison to merkel is "broad" and that morales "violated the spirit of the law (at least)"

ت (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 17:46 (one year ago) link

Thanks, I did read it. It's not 'broad' it's idiotic.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 17:51 (one year ago) link

what's idiotic about it?

ت (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 17:54 (one year ago) link

fred could i drop u off a building

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 17:57 (one year ago) link

jim, are you kidding me?

Frederik B, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 17:58 (one year ago) link

For one, president and chancellor is not the same thing.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 18:02 (one year ago) link

Frank-Walter Steinmeier needs to be put in his place - as soon as anyone finds out who he is.

'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 18:07 (one year ago) link

Lol @ it was sooo on the cards that Feed would defend the coup

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 18:09 (one year ago) link

Nobody is defending the coup you fucking moron

Frederik B, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 18:11 (one year ago) link

But talk about 'on the cards' of you to claim that, lol

Frederik B, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 18:12 (one year ago) link

fred thinks we can read his mind i think

ت (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 18:16 (one year ago) link

The American public should know the extent to which the entirety of the US media and political class is explicitly or implicitly throwing their weight behind someone who openly uses genocidal language against indigenous people

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) November 13, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 15:30 (one year ago) link

ah, of course it's about the lithium, makes sense

https://www.globalresearch.ca/heres-why-the-us-wants-to-break-bolivia-to-bits-with-hybrid-war/5542595

Book Doula (sleeve), Thursday, 14 November 2019 15:39 (one year ago) link

Mark Weisbrot: "The OAS lied to the public about the Bolivian election and coup” https://t.co/fA3zZ6YJTm

— Doug Henwood (@DougHenwood) November 19, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 20:33 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

holy moley

Bolivia's Indigenous/Andean architecture. These 'Cholets' are product of the economic boom under Evo that redistributed wealth outside the white elite. Development with identity. pic.twitter.com/NnYh7dlLRC

— Ollie Vargas (@OVargas52) February 11, 2020

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 21:30 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

As Bolivia gears up for a do-over election on May 3, the country remains in unrest following the Nov. 10 military-backed coup against incumbent President Evo Morales.

A quick recap: Morales claimed victory in October’s election, but the opposition protested about what it called electoral fraud. A Nov. 10 report from the Organization of American States (OAS) noted election irregularities, which “leads the technical audit team to question the integrity of the results of the election on October 20.” Police then joined the protests and Morales sought asylum in Mexico.

The military-installed government charged Morales with sedition and terrorism. A European Union monitoring report noted that some 40 former electoral officials have been arrested and face criminal charges of sedition and subversion, and 35 people have died in the post-electoral conflict. The highest-polling presidential candidate, a member of Morales’s Movimiento al Socialismo (MAS-IPSP) party, has received a summons from prosecutors for undisclosed crimes, a move some analysts suspect was aimed to keep him off the ballot.

The media has largely reported the allegations of fraud as fact. And many commentators have justified the coup as a response to electoral fraud by MAS-IPSP. However, as specialists in election integrity, we find that the statistical evidence does not support the claim of fraud in Bolivia’s October election.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/26/bolivia-dismissed-its-october-elections-fraudulent-our-research-found-no-reason-suspect-fraud/

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, 27 February 2020 14:55 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

Evo Morales’ party is likely to dominate Bolivia’s September election, while the unelected coup government is barely polling above 10%. https://t.co/ZylpHPgDtZ

— zach carter ☭ (@zachjcarter) July 7, 2020

xyzzzz__, Friday, 10 July 2020 10:43 (seven months ago) link

Also: Amex announced she has covid

xyzzzz__, Friday, 10 July 2020 10:43 (seven months ago) link

*Anez

xyzzzz__, Friday, 10 July 2020 10:43 (seven months ago) link

Bolivia's coup Defense Minister, Fernando Lopez, wore a US Army face mask when speaking to media today. pic.twitter.com/byMYGntTSo

— Kawsachun News (@KawsachunNews) July 21, 2020

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 16:16 (seven months ago) link

BREAKING: Bolivia's elections have been suspended for the third time by the electoral authorities appointed by the coup President. The new date for elections will be October 18th. pic.twitter.com/a4n2rnn0GN

— Kawsachun News (@KawsachunNews) July 23, 2020

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 23 July 2020 20:07 (seven months ago) link

https://www.apollo-magazine.com/bolivia-museum-directors-sacked/

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 16:32 (seven months ago) link

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN24T2X9?

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 30 July 2020 15:17 (seven months ago) link

one month passes...

#Bolivia de facto President Jeanine Añez resigs her candidacy for the presidential elections on October 18 pic.twitter.com/F6UhhEitVQ

— teleSUR English (@telesurenglish) September 18, 2020

xyzzzz__, Friday, 18 September 2020 09:32 (five months ago) link

idk if this is good news for Arce if her voters transfer over to Mesa. The only thing that can stop him is a united opposition.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Friday, 18 September 2020 09:59 (five months ago) link

I saw some footage of Anez, her speech to unite the right else Morales comes back.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 18 September 2020 10:02 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

If Joe Biden was President, we wouldn't have to see the kind of shenanigans that went down today.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Monday, 19 October 2020 04:47 (four months ago) link

Congratulations to Luis Arce and MAS for their resounding victory in the Bolivian elections!

A triumph for the left and for the restoration of democracy. A big defeat for the coup regime and all its backers. pic.twitter.com/xHXGJgVteK

— Diane Abbott MP (@HackneyAbbott) October 19, 2020

xyzzzz__, Monday, 19 October 2020 10:50 (four months ago) link

Local residents have turned up at MAS HQ in La Paz, to celebrate the victory of the people against the coup. pic.twitter.com/8vzWljceJ5

— Ollie Vargas (@OVargas52) October 19, 2020

xyzzzz__, Monday, 19 October 2020 10:54 (four months ago) link

Without knowing anything about him I'm sure we haven't heard the last of that behelmeted Mamani geezer.

nashwan, Monday, 19 October 2020 10:58 (four months ago) link

All the Leninists in the house:

Bolivia demonstrates that if you build a mass movement rooted in working class communities and driven by the grass roots, you build a resilient movement, that can withstand the might of an empire and continue to fight for a better future - el pueblo unido, jamás será vencido pic.twitter.com/M4utaCFLOK

— Paul O'Connell (@pmpoc) October 19, 2020

xyzzzz__, Monday, 19 October 2020 11:10 (four months ago) link

"I'm sure we haven't heard the last of that behelmeted Mamani geezer"

lol classic full-kit wanker

calzino, Monday, 19 October 2020 11:23 (four months ago) link

wish Fred was still here to tell us why this is bad

Notes on "Scamp" (Noodle Vague), Monday, 19 October 2020 11:24 (four months ago) link

You and me both.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 19 October 2020 11:26 (four months ago) link

fred might be gone but his spirit is indomitable

calzino, Monday, 19 October 2020 11:29 (four months ago) link

Sir Keith, why are you not 20 points ahead like this

xyzzzz__, Monday, 19 October 2020 11:33 (four months ago) link

This is also good.

Church of the National Police of Chile burns. #FelizCumpleanosDignidad https://t.co/OTlcvXn8ja

— Audrey Shipp (@adri16) October 19, 2020

xyzzzz__, Monday, 19 October 2020 11:36 (four months ago) link

xp
he shouldn't have worn a hardhat, that look only works for tories.. oh hang on a minute..

calzino, Monday, 19 October 2020 11:37 (four months ago) link

Remember that Daniel Jadue of the Communist Party is currently tied for first or leading in multiple polls for the first round of Chile's presidential election next year pic.twitter.com/lxet1vi4hU

— Populism Updates (@PopulismUpdates) October 19, 2020

calzino, Monday, 19 October 2020 12:45 (four months ago) link

Bolivian fascist Fernando Camacho crying pic.twitter.com/0Hs52ty8DR

— Camila (@camilateleSUR) October 19, 2020

xyzzzz__, Monday, 19 October 2020 20:41 (four months ago) link

already seeing ppl say bolivians "voted out fascism." that is not what happened. u dont need to know much abt the situation to kno that this was only possible bc a full year of militant resistance by thousands of ppl, mostly indigenous ppl & workers, made the coup untenable pic.twitter.com/673U8VVybM

— '''mold,,, (@mac_mold) October 19, 2020

xyzzzz__, Monday, 19 October 2020 22:10 (four months ago) link

has anybody read any good (not foreign affairs magazine type) long articles about the anti-coup activities in bolivia over the last year. little reporting i've read has been pretty piecemeal and largely in publications that seem disappointed not to be congratulating the cia

plax (ico), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 19:12 (four months ago) link

two weeks pass...

good job nyt

Bolivia’s former president, Evo Morales, returned to the country on Monday, a year after his failed attempt to keep power tore the nation apart and sent him into exile.https://t.co/BRSygQrS4T

— The New York Times (@nytimes) November 9, 2020

JoeStork, Monday, 9 November 2020 20:44 (three months ago) link

loooool

Politically homely (jim in vancouver), Monday, 9 November 2020 20:53 (three months ago) link

I hope you realise the impact your refusal to stop hitting yourself is having

hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Monday, 9 November 2020 20:59 (three months ago) link

haha omg

plax (ico), Tuesday, 10 November 2020 10:43 (three months ago) link

I don't know why I bother on this message board but...Morales did fail to get voters to approve the change needed in the Bolivian constitution for him to serve a fourth term as president.

All cars are bad (Euler), Tuesday, 10 November 2020 13:39 (three months ago) link

I think it’s time for Bolivia’s left wing to let go of Morales.

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 10 November 2020 16:28 (three months ago) link

y'all know he wasn't on the ballot, right

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 10 November 2020 16:31 (three months ago) link

Of course, but he still holds a lot of power through the unions and MAS.

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 10 November 2020 16:33 (three months ago) link

or do you mean that Bolivia's left wing should abandon his party, who just won 55% of the vote in a three way race xp

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 10 November 2020 16:33 (three months ago) link

I think he should just retire and let other people continue the good work.

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 10 November 2020 16:35 (three months ago) link

Other people at MAS, that is.

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 10 November 2020 16:36 (three months ago) link

Why?

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, 10 November 2020 17:16 (three months ago) link

13 years at the helm is good enough. Term limits are important, he already amended the constitution by packing the courts with his people to get past one. He did good stuff for Bolivia and his legacy can live on with MAS, but I honestly think that him seeking too much power again will hinder MAS’s objectives today.

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 10 November 2020 17:24 (three months ago) link

Let MAS decide what will or won't hinder them.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 13:35 (three months ago) link

no coup them

plax (ico), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 15:20 (three months ago) link

Let MAS decide what will or won't hinder them.

Arce has distanced himself from Morales.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 17:44 (three months ago) link

All I'm seeing is the odd rally after a return from exile rn.

Después de ganar las elecciones del 18 de octubre y contar ya con un gobierno democrático, con los hermanos @LuchoXBolivia y @LaramaDavid tenemos la responsabilidad de garantizar la dignidad, la soberanía, la independencia y la estabilidad de #Bolivia. Esa es nuestra lucha. pic.twitter.com/j1vUpAFMVR

— Evo Morales Ayma (@evoespueblo) November 11, 2020

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:41 (three months ago) link

He can be a spiritual figure and have rallies all he want, I just hope he lets Arce, the person who was elected by the people, do his job.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 22:08 (three months ago) link

i guess its a free country tho

plax (ico), Friday, 13 November 2020 15:02 (three months ago) link

three months pass...

!

BREAKING: Bolivia has cancelled and returned the full sum of the US $346.7 Million IMF loan taken out by the coup regime, in rejection of IMF impositions on internal economic policy.

As of February 2021, the loan had already racked up $24.3 Million in interest and commissions. pic.twitter.com/4sPkAJRtsg

— Kawsachun News (@KawsachunNews) February 17, 2021

John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 18 February 2021 15:04 (two weeks ago) link

Ah! those lovely multi-million dollar "commissions" so deservingly earned by some mega-banks for assisting with the paperwork and handling the transfer of funds.

Compromise isn't a principle, it's a method (Aimless), Thursday, 18 February 2021 19:05 (two weeks ago) link

seems really big, don't know if there's any precedent for this but it would be great if this sets one

John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 18 February 2021 19:10 (two weeks ago) link

It's wonderful

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 20 February 2021 21:15 (two weeks ago) link


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