s&d: True Crime! books

Hodel wrote another book alleging his dad was also the zodiac killer! At first I assumed the description above was of that book, but my-dad-was-the-zodiac is a cottage industry I guess.

Most Evil II
Overview
Presenting the Follow-up Investigation and Decryption of the 1970 Zodiac Cipher in which the San Francisco Serial Killer Reveals His True Identity

Most Evil II is Steve Hodel’s follow-up investigation (2009-2015) into his father’s potential murders and introduces new evidence and additional linkage obtained by him over the past six years.

Included in that evidence, is the solving of the Zodiac’s forty-give year cryptic cipher, which gives us the answer to the question asked in Most Evil, “Were Black Dahlia Avenger and Zodiac the same serial killer?”

The solution of that cipher provides us with the name of San Francisco’s most infamous serial killer. However, it is not presented as just another “theory” from some armchair detective, or even from the author himself, a highly respected, veteran LAPD homicide detective. Rather, the solution comes from the killer’s own mouth, written in his own hand–it is Zodiac’s personally signed confession!

Oh no. Maybe MY dad was the Zodiac killer!!!! :0

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsgFX0zWEAAfxnj.jpg

I'm the Zodiac, and so is my wife!

i have always felt special. i wonder if it's maybe because my dad was behind every unsolved serial murder case of the mid to late 20th century?!??!?

There was this one too:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51C4cW0RGhL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

on the my dad/mom was a human monster theme, anyone read the memoir by fred and rose west's daughter (published in the 90s i think)? I have it in my ebook library but it looks profoundly bad

to be fair, based on what I read in that black dahlia book hodel's dad was a fuuuuuuucking creep so i kinda get why he is trying so hard to put a bow of notoriety on his dad's behaviour. otherwise he's just stuck with creep dad and who wants that

ps my dad is the zodiac

in the black dahlia book he had the backyard of his dad's house dug up & infrared examined and all this nonsense & they found nothing. it was so WELP. like that Geraldo Jimmy Hoffa unveiling level of anticlimactic

but also like, uh dude. this is a book. you could just leave this whole part out

There were also a few My Dad Killed JFK books irrc

Ted Cruz is missing a trick

http://www.nationalmemo.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/ted-cruz-book.jpg

My Dad Is Hale-Bopp

Ahead of the release of his latest film Baywatch, Zac Efron has signed on to a new film project, and he'll be playing one of the world's most notorious serial killers.

Efron will star as Ted Bundy in Extremely Wicked, Shockingly Evil and Vile, which will be helmed by Oscar-nominated documentary filmmaker Joe Berlinger (Paradise Lost 3: Purgatory).

Michael Werwie wrote the script for the project, which is told through the perspective of Elizabeth Kloepfer, Bundy's longtime girlfriend, who went years denying the accusations against Bundy but ultimately turned him in to the police. Only nearing his execution, when Bundy began talking about his extensive and heinous murders, did Kloepfer, and the rest of the world, learn the true scope of his numerous and grisly crimes.

The script earned Werwie the coveted Nicholl Fellowship first prize and landed on the Black List.

I'm interested but Zac feels too like, otherworldly handsome for Bundy. His whole thing was having more average looks & using his confidence to charmi his way into ~seeming~ more attractive

we'll see! I'm intrigued nonetheless & kloepfer is v interesting to me

Glenn Howerton should be playing this imo but im looking forward to it too

There were also a few My Dad Killed JFK books irrc

― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, May 15, 2017 7:57 PM (two days ago)

one of them was by e. howard hunt's son!

I believe the term for this story is 'VegGrrl bait.'

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/07/03/my-dentists-murder-trial

Also I need the movie adaptation of this to happen so bad.

there was a murder porn ep abt this, I tend 2 think he was prb guilty

i'm sorry, i don't want to google murder porn, what is it? is it a podcast or are you using that name for something not named murder porn

apology accepted

just like a generic term for dateline/investigation discovery type tv shows

Anyone read the new David Grann book? It's amazing.

thank you mr. crunch. now i understand.

i am reading that now, started a few days ago

i did type "murder porn" into google this morning thinking maybe it was a podcast and just before hitting enter i thought, please don't

i also learned recently of crime-con (think comiccon for tru crime, tho no costumes allowed) - https://www.crimecon.com/

& that a friend of mine is involved in running it

speaking of investigation discovery, this was one of their best, haven't seen a new episode in quite a while though (not checking this channel so much nowadays). Good article anyway:

Heard the name "Alice Crimmins" today, found this by Sarah Weinman (incl. her own inquiries and other sources cited, some linked):http://hazlitt.net/longreads/why-cant-you-behave-revisiting-case-alice-crimmins"> http://hazlitt.net/longreads/why-cant-you-behave-revisiting-case-alice-crimmins All this is just scratching the surface...

― dow, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 22:59 (six months ago) Permalink

great article! Investigation Discovery's "A Crime To Remember" did a good episode on this iirc

― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 7 December 2016

Weiman's email newsletter (tho' sporadic) is really good too.

i'm reading the stranger beside me. i like it but it's not without its flaws. i finished 70% of it in two days because i don't want to do other things with my life.

it's such a fast read! like even when i was not enjoying it as much i still blew through it

i'm trying to read the yogurt shop book ("who killed these girls") and i hate it. the description of crime scene feels really lurid and gross and then it's all about the investigation and the false leads and the changes in administration instead of about what happened.

that new arson book, American fire, has piqued my interest

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that's kind of the point though. the botched investigation & dead end leads IS what happened - I mean that author is completely sympathetic to the victims & their families & even she can't paint a clear picture of what happened because she doesn't really know

it's not an A-Z story - it's Z back through W and then F through P with big chunks missing

That's what makes it so much more tragic beyond the murders proper, the myriad of frustrating & mundane ways it got mishandled

imo

saw that too, johnny crunch

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that's kind of the point though. the botched investigation & dead end leads IS what happened - I mean that author is completely sympathetic to the victims & their families & even she can't paint a clear picture of what happened because she doesn't really know

it's not an A-Z story - it's Z back through W and then F through P with big chunks missing

That's what makes it so much more tragic beyond the murders proper, the myriad of frustrating & mundane ways it got mishandled

imo

― Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, August 10, 2017 1:15 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fair enough. i think i would have been more open to this if she had first given at least a sketch of what happened during the crime before busting into all that stuff. the structure didn't work for me.

i can see how it might be offputting

i started the fire book. it was made for me. fires + the eastern shore of anything is me.

already the first time i've ever highlighted a kindle book

Upping this because it's the only place I could find on the forums that discussed the "There's Something Wrong With Aunt Diane" documentary.

After hearing it mentioned more than a few times as being weird and creepy, I was intrigued. I just finished watching it and I'm kind of feeling swindled. There was nothing weird or creepy about it. Just some people that are very much in strong denial. I mean, I guess that's weird, in a way. But, other than the horrific nature of the crash and all those people losing loved ones, I thought the documentary was kind of looking for something that was never there and asking irrelevant question for the most part.

just finished Emmanuel Carrere's The Adversary

what an utterly mental story

ooh that sounds good, I'll have to check that out

Finally finished McGuinn's Manson bio

Really good -- much more clear-eyed about who Manson really was, even before he started the Family, and does a good job throughout the LA years to underline his opportunism and obsession with his own music career while moonlights as a dirtbag hippy pimp. Through McGuinn Manson becomes more pathetic without becoming sympathetic, but at the same time it makes everything that unfolds even more awful because it was so haphazard and needless and can't just be neatly filed under 'evil'

VG -- have you/did watch the show Aquarius?

no, i tried & I couldn't get past the cheesiness

Is it getting a second season or not?

A second vote here for Emmanuel Carrere's The Adversary

VG: You mean Jeff Guinn's, right? Unless Roger McGuinn wrote one...

lol yes Guinn not McGuinn bwaha oops

re schechter: the h.h.holmes is good -- if this means fascinating creepy and dreary -- but his best imo is his albert fish book

first of this type i ever read was emlyn williams's beyond belief abt the moors murderers -- i think many more facts are now known abt this, but the book is so good on a sense of manchester itself as the story unfolded: place and psychology and how the city was on the move between past and present (the war generation, the 60s youngsters) and how this affected that transition (hindley and brady "hipster" enough that the pettibon cover for sonic youth's goo -- based on a photo of them -- seems perfectly current and in keeping)

williams was a working-class welsh playwright and screenwriter rather than a journalist: i faintly wonder if his approach to the material isn't an argument with (and implied reproach concerning) truman capote's in cold blood, which was published a couple of years earlier (and a huge literary talking point)*

i think gordon burn's happy like murderers attempts the same approach as williams (as in, is consciously inspired by it), but it's honestly -- to me -- not quite as good: he does a lot of writerly work describing the social milieu the wests existed in but in the end has no felt connection with it? anyway that's how i felt about it

by contrast andrew o'hagan's "the missing" is very good on the nearly invisible social layer of the transients the wests mainly preyed on -- runaways hitchhiking to big cities to escape all kinds of things, no love (or worse) behind them, a gamble against peril before them, and then just vanishment and no one knowing for years and even decades

*the "true but as a novel" technique was newer than the topic, in new yorker terms: editor harold ross always had a small-town tabloid streak to his tastes, and many of his best writers had learnt their trade on city papers -- james thurber for example wrote a sort of genius about willie stevens, a curious character caught up in the hall-mills case: during the media frenzy, stevens had caught the public imagination for his mixture of dignity and oddball perspective on the witness stand

Pettibon drawing is based on a picture of Ian's sister and her fella, but yer point stands.

d'oh, that'll teach me to factcheck via skimreading the very first website i find -- thank you