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Mikhail Gilmore's Shot Through The Heart & Jon Krakauer's Under The Banner of Heaven = Mormon deathcult awesomeness

Brio, Friday, 12 February 2010 16:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

also those Best American Crime Reporting annual collections! any read the latest?

Brio, Friday, 12 February 2010 16:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

these and big fat sleazy rock star bios are like mac & cheese to me

Brio, Friday, 12 February 2010 16:15 (nine years ago) Permalink

seriously, nobody else?

Brio, Friday, 12 February 2010 16:37 (nine years ago) Permalink

Not sure if it'll be what you're looking for, but As If by Blake Morrison is really excellent. It's not so much about the crime itself (the James Bulger murder in Liverpool in 1991) as about the aftermath, the societal circumstances leading to it, and the darker recesses of the author's own psyche.

Ismael Klata, Friday, 12 February 2010 17:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

Jerry Bledsoe's Bitter Blood is deeply underrated. Went on about it a couple of years back via my blog here, as well as talking about my own interest in true crime stories.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 12 February 2010 17:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

this book is NOT well written but the story is amazing
http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac173/jumpwithjoey/LobsterBoy_FredRosen_GradyStiles.jpg

figgy pudding (La Lechera), Friday, 12 February 2010 20:49 (nine years ago) Permalink

Perfect Victim, the story of Colleen Stan, is one of the absolutely weirdest stories I've ever read.

Also, Ann Rule's The Stranger Beside Me is a must read.

El Poopo Loco (Pancakes Hackman), Friday, 12 February 2010 20:56 (nine years ago) Permalink

I can't remember the exact title, but J. Curtis' book about the murder of Maria Marten is so so so good. The part at the end where you can read letters from girls responding to William Corder's person ad are priceless.

The Mysterious Murder of Maria Marten, maybe?

figgy pudding (La Lechera), Friday, 12 February 2010 20:58 (nine years ago) Permalink

Also Charles Bowden's Down by the River is greeeeeeat

figgy pudding (La Lechera), Friday, 12 February 2010 20:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

person --> personals

figgy pudding (La Lechera), Friday, 12 February 2010 20:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

I'm a sucker for true crime!

it takes a lot to find stuff that doesn't get too...um, 'porny' is the word I'd use. Some of those mass-market pbs are gross, you're halfway through and you're still up to your eyeballs in long descriptions of the mind of the killer and fantasy sequences and 'putting you in the crime scene'... Ick. And it's not so much that I'm squeamish, I just don't want to read a 'how to guide'.

Will definitely rep for Shot Through The Heart - great book.

Severed by John Gilmore -- good non-trashy analysis of Black Dahlia murder, raises some new information that's pretty interesting. Gets a little Robert Graysmith towards the end but otherwise a good revision of a story that seemed like it was overdone. Could have done without the photos though: YEESH.

A Mind For Murder - The Education of the Unabomber & the Birth of Modern Terrorism by Alston Chase -- good background on Harvard experiments, also some interesting detail about his family & his brother.

I'll stan for Zodiac by Robert Graysmith because it's a good first-time read. But Graysmith is kind of a loop-the-loop about the whole thing which makes it more of an account of his obsession than meaty Zodiac analysis.

Mindhunter - John Douglas. His books get a little samey, and he's got ego for days, but his books at least don't have the leering/tabloid/porny feel. The information's often at least useful/interesting, and he does often circle back to talking about victim/the victim's family. He's got a bit of authority to his voice which is at least a little comforting. And you know, he's the real life "special agent Jack Crawford".

OTM re: Stranger Beside Me. I'll rep for some of the older Ann Rule stuff (she's still churning them out but I haven't read her stuff in years)- I feel like Small Sacrifices, STranger, and the Green River Killer book are her best, and the personal aspect of Stranger makes it really intriguing.

Oh and James Ellroy - My Dark Places? That's a good'un.

(Sorry for overdoing it...like I said, I'm a total TC nerd.

VegemiteGrrrl, Friday, 12 February 2010 21:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

Oh, and Dave Cullen's Columbine, which is really much, much more than a true crime book, but is absolutely riveting. And terrifying.

El Poopo Loco (Pancakes Hackman), Friday, 12 February 2010 21:05 (nine years ago) Permalink

Not exactly true crime genre, but Homicide: a Year on the Killing Streets is an excellent read. Lots of source material for the
Tv shows Homicide and the Wire.

Super Cub, Saturday, 13 February 2010 19:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

I try to read as much Manson stuff as possible.

Right now I have a stack of these "from the pages of True Detective" books.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41GC89NMQML._BO2%2C204%2C203%2C200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click%2CTopRight%2C35%2C-76_AA240_SH20_OU01_.jpg

They are slee-zee. Some gross stuff.

Last year I read Cruel Sacrifice about this case, that was the last one that I read that was really good.

Until recently there was a bookstore within walking distance of me that had an entire wall of true crime books, I agree that some of them are boring as hell.

Also AWESOME and a must have is this:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51VJF98M8NL._BO2%2C204%2C203%2C200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click%2CTopRight%2C35%2C-76_AA240_SH20_OU01_.jpg

kudos, i'm yours! (u s steel), Saturday, 13 February 2010 23:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

a bit dry but extremely well researched: anything by david a. yallop

just1n3, Saturday, 13 February 2010 23:51 (nine years ago) Permalink

Justine, thanks for the reminder about Yallop! I loved his pope conspiracy book (I love conspiracy books & I don't agree with any of them!). After I read that I wanted to read more, but didn't finish.

kudos, i'm yours! (u s steel), Sunday, 14 February 2010 00:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

haha me too!! i love conspiracy theory stuff, even when i'm buying it at all!

the pope one was the first i read too - have you read the one about arthur allan thomas, the new zealand guy falsely imprisoned for murder?

just1n3, Sunday, 14 February 2010 00:08 (nine years ago) Permalink

Not yet. I should read more about non-USA murders but I don't, the only one I LUV is Jack the Ripper, any and all, and a lot of them are bullshit, I think. Good bullshit, but probably bullshit.

kudos, i'm yours! (u s steel), Sunday, 14 February 2010 00:11 (nine years ago) Permalink

I'm telling you -- the murder of Maria Marten is full of juicy parts, including, but not limited to, testimony from a murder trial bound in the SKIN OF THE MURDERER.

yeah.

figgy pudding (La Lechera), Sunday, 14 February 2010 00:13 (nine years ago) Permalink

*not buying it

just1n3, Sunday, 14 February 2010 00:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

i believe it, but even if it's not true it makes a good story, and that's why we like this shit, no?

figgy pudding (La Lechera), Sunday, 14 February 2010 00:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

no, i was xposting myself - i meant to say that i often don't buy the conspiracy stuff, but that doesn't lessen my enjoyment of it! the thing i like about yallop's stuff is that it avoids being trashy or hysterical; i think his style would make a believer out of anyone.

just1n3, Sunday, 14 February 2010 01:11 (nine years ago) Permalink

That's true, David Yallop had me peeing my pants about the Pope and his heart attack. Then I went through this Vatican Bank phase.

kudos, i'm yours! (u s steel), Sunday, 14 February 2010 03:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

FYI, Laura James' blog has been a gold mine of true crime book recommendations. (and her book is terrific too)

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 14 February 2010 07:30 (nine years ago) Permalink

Not true crime specifically, but I watched a bit of <a href="http://www.trutv.com/shows/conspiracy_theory/episodes/index.html";> Jesse Ventura's</a> tv show today and it looked pretty good.

kudos, i'm yours! (u s steel), Monday, 15 February 2010 02:37 (nine years ago) Permalink

http://www.trutv.com/shows/conspiracy_theory/episodes/index.html

Oops, sorry about link.

kudos, i'm yours! (u s steel), Monday, 15 February 2010 02:37 (nine years ago) Permalink

I haven't read that account of Andrew Cunnanan, but I really loved "Three Month Fever," Gary Indiana's novelization of the guy's life.

Also, Emmanuel Carrere's "The Adversary" is a true crime favorite.

Romeo Jones, Monday, 15 February 2010 17:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

As mentioned above, "The Stranger Beside Me" is 100% essential. Almost too scary and ominous.

Now, Monday, 15 February 2010 18:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

This piece on a new collection of work by New Yorker crime writer St. James McKelway prompted me to check out an older anthology of his from UCI, collecting a fair number of pieces talked about as being in this new one.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 February 2010 19:15 (nine years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Gordon Burn's two true crime books, Somebody's Husband, Somebody's Son, about the Yorkshire Ripper, and Happy Like Murderers, about Fred and Rose West, are v good, intensely miserable. The one on the Wests really knocked me into a pit when it came out. But a bit literary maybe?

woof, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 18:45 (six years ago) Permalink

(not 100% what I mean by 'a bit literary'. have to go out anyway)

woof, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 18:45 (six years ago) Permalink

No I know what you mean. Some are told in a very tabloid way, and some are written in a way that's more about the story somehow.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 18:46 (six years ago) Permalink

The Wrong Man by James Neff, about the Dr Sam Sheppard Murder case is another one I'd consider very literary in style. and god talk about gripping.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 18:48 (six years ago) Permalink

I think - I dgaf about 'serious' writers pondering what nasty crime means for society. But then Burn doesn't do that much iirc, is better than that - concrete, precise, observational. But anyway, going out!

woof, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 18:48 (six years ago) Permalink

intensely miserable

you are SPEAKING MY LANGUAGE! will add to wishlist.

these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 18:59 (six years ago) Permalink

Slightly OT, but true crime fans may enjoy this little tale:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/20/thomas-quick-bergwall-sweden-murder

o. nate, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 19:22 (six years ago) Permalink

Almost done with the Ressler book (Whoever Fights Monsters)- it's pretty good!

Interestingly enough, even though Ressler and John Douglas worked together in the FBI, Douglas barely rates mention, which I find funny. I guess they're in some kind of ego smackdown these days, lol.

Douglas' Mindhunter covers similar ground to Ressler, since they both interviewed a lot of the same criminals, but the styles are different enough that you could read both and come away with something from each. Douglas is much more narrative-focused, tries to bring you into the stories he tells and definitely has a much more intense focus on the victims and their families. Much more dramatic, and he has a lot of interesting detail about his own life and involvement in the cases.

Ressler's more analytical, he's not as interested in putting you there as he is in giving you facts and data, still very much a case-study kind of guy, you feel like you're more part of a lecture series or a class than fireside chats.

Kinda feel myself going down the rabbit hole again - will have to dig up a few more books to get the curiosity sated again. It seems like once or twice a year I go on a tear. Except I find it starts to mess with my head irl, like I start looking for windowless vans and get obsessed with local missing children reports... :/

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 2 November 2012 19:57 (six years ago) Permalink

One of those two wrote a book called "The Cases that Haunt Us" in which he discusses the Lindbergh kidnapping, Jack the Ripper, JonBenet Ramsey and other famous cases. I think it was Douglas, but in either case it's a really good book.

C-3PO Sharkey (Phil D.), Friday, 2 November 2012 20:06 (six years ago) Permalink

yeah it was Douglas. It's a good one, you're right.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 2 November 2012 20:07 (six years ago) Permalink

I got to meet Douglas last year at a speaking event - he's a very nice man! He signed a couple of my books for me. I found his books were more productive (?) than others because he was always at great pains, much as Ressler is too, that the killers don't get too much credit or are not made out to be more than they are. They're always very quick to remind you of their failings as humns vs their successes as killers.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 2 November 2012 20:10 (six years ago) Permalink

Picked up 'Road Out Of Hell' by Anthony Flacco from the library, about the 1920's Wineville Murders. Hoooolllly fuck. I'm only a few chapters in and it's already more harrowing than anything I've read in a long time. Scary shit.

and I also got Lisa Cohen's 'After Etan'

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 5 November 2012 05:04 (six years ago) Permalink

Not a book but True Crimers should check out the mini-series The Staircase. It's about a murder in Raleigh, NC and it is 100% amazing.

carl agatha, Monday, 5 November 2012 13:16 (six years ago) Permalink

oh yeah that is incred

johnny crunch, Monday, 5 November 2012 13:23 (six years ago) Permalink

And if you do decide to watch it, which you should, avoid reading anything about the documentary or the case before hand. It is so much better if you go in cold.

carl agatha, Monday, 5 November 2012 14:22 (six years ago) Permalink

Happy Like Murderers, about Fred and Rose West

think the prob I had w/ this book - which is esp good on the way that fred and rose's home became a manifestation of their banal evil - is that the high quality of the writing turns the whole thing into an aesthetic experience, somehow - that burn had given his subjects a better book than they deserved, maybe?

Ward Fowler, Monday, 5 November 2012 14:31 (six years ago) Permalink

Any recs for definitive books on the Night Stalker or Hillside Strangler cases? Those are two I've always wanted to read more about. (Is Ramirez unique among serial killers in being apprehended by people on the street?)

C-3PO Sharkey (Phil D.), Monday, 5 November 2012 14:32 (six years ago) Permalink

thanks for the rec, carl -- I'm def gonna look up the Corridor!

no shit, that Wineville book gave me bad dreams last night, I've never had that happen before. Think this is a 'read in the daytime only' book.

It's not that the details are any worse than anything I've read, I think it's just that this acccount is written really WELL, and written as a firsthand account of events as they are unfolding by the nephew who was on the ranch & endured almost as much as the victims themselves. Being part of his thought process, and feeling like you're witinessing everything right along with him...it's a lot to handle.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 5 November 2012 17:29 (six years ago) Permalink

Wait, the Wineville murders were the ones that figured in that Angelina Jolie movie, right?

C-3PO Sharkey (Phil D.), Monday, 5 November 2012 17:34 (six years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

VegemiteGrrl, you should read THE ARSONIST: A MIND ON FIRE, by Chloe Hooper, about the Black Saturday bushfires in Victoria in 2009. Very, very good. And her The Tall Man is wonderful and depressing, too.

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Sunday, 21 October 2018 23:54 (seven months ago) Permalink

oooh will do


timely thread revive: i just finished To The Bridge by Nancy Rommelmann, about Amanda Stott-Smith who dropped her 2 kids, aged 4 and 6, off a bridge in 2008. Awful topic but it’s a great book...very clear eyed but compassionate to pretty much everyone in the town. Affected me a lot, there is a lot to unpack in the story of this woman & her husband. Neither come away clean, which feels ok with me.

I have always had an interest in the way women who kill their children are portrayed, and an interest in the topic itself because it’s so dense & sad & thorny.

Worthwhile if you are inclined, imo

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 22 October 2018 00:18 (seven months ago) Permalink

this Jayme Closs case in Wisconsin is giving me some flashbacks to a similar case in my hometown back in the late '80s.

omar little, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 19:56 (seven months ago) Permalink

what were the details of the similar case? out of curiosity..

but yeah, the Closs case is pretty scary. i hope they find her by some miracle

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 20:04 (seven months ago) Permalink

it was really not similar, i just get a feeling from it that reminds me of the previous case. it was an estraged bf situation; he broke into his ex-gf's house and killed her parents and tried to kill her brother, she escaped. it just seems like a similar situation where she was the reason for the murders, which in this event gives cause for hope that she'd still be alive and being held.

it also gives me a slight vibe of that terrible case in Texas a few years ago where a 15 yr old girl recruited her bf and his friend to kill her family after her folks told her she had to stop seeing him. BUT it seems to be nothing like that, she's been ruled out as a suspect iirc. but this case does not seem random.

omar little, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 23:34 (seven months ago) Permalink

there's one a few people elsewhere online have referenced -- Jennifer Short in Virginia in 2002 https://www.virginiafirst.com/news/local-news/investigators-release-new-plea-for-help-in-short-family-murders/1489863006
Parents were shot, 9 year old Jennifer was kidnapped, and sadly her body was found a month later in North Carolina. They never caught the guy but the motive for the murders seemed purely as a means to kidnap the girl.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 00:50 (seven months ago) Permalink

Podcast, not a book, but the BBC has a big new 8-part podcast about Waco/Koresh: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06qc33m/episodes/player

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Sunday, 4 November 2018 07:17 (six months ago) Permalink

ooh thx!

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 4 November 2018 07:19 (six months ago) Permalink

here's a surprise larceny crime ending to a viral crowdfunding story

https://gizmodo.com/couple-and-homeless-man-said-to-have-made-up-story-behi-1830460690

omar little, Thursday, 15 November 2018 18:54 (six months ago) Permalink

I was thinking the other day that there ought to be more True Fraud content. Fraud gets a lot of play in drama/adaptations like Can You Ever Forgive Me? or The Informant! but there's nobody starting a podcast empire based on random fraud casefiles

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Thursday, 15 November 2018 19:05 (six months ago) Permalink

That would be cool. I'm interesting in learning more about, like, the proliferation of MLM schemes in 90s Russia.

brimstead, Thursday, 15 November 2018 19:07 (six months ago) Permalink

see I didn't even know that was a thing, I'd eat it up

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Thursday, 15 November 2018 19:10 (six months ago) Permalink

read that as "ILM schemes in 90s Russia" at first.

evol j, Thursday, 15 November 2018 19:10 (six months ago) Permalink

some good True Fraud episodes of The Dollop I guess

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Thursday, 15 November 2018 19:10 (six months ago) Permalink

timely thread revive: i just finished To The Bridge by Nancy Rommelmann

I just started this today!

Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Thursday, 15 November 2018 19:37 (six months ago) Permalink

it seems a lot of the time that true crime only focuses on fraud if it results in a murder or two, like the fraud is merely the setup for the real juicy stuff.

and largely i think catfishing deceptions have replaced true fraud stories and maybe are what pull people in more, since those involve something that people consider a bit more insidious and cruel: not merely conning people out of money, but pretending to be someone else entirely and leaving your victim grasping for air at the end when they try to meet the real person.

omar little, Thursday, 15 November 2018 20:31 (six months ago) Permalink

im reading that 1 abt the austin yogurt shop murders "who killed these girls?"

its ok, i don't love the writing

just learned from it though that will sheff of okkervil river was inspired to write 'westfall', 1 of my fav songs tho i kindof forgot abt, when the 4 boys were arrested in 1999

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 23:10 (five months ago) Permalink

the yogurt shop case reminds me a lot of this one, which occurred not far from where i lived and fucking terrified everyone. it was one of the more despicable crimes i'm familiar with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown's_Chicken_massacre

omar little, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 00:19 (five months ago) Permalink

yeah they are both really terrifying

i think abt the Yogurt Shop case a lot, it really got to me having worked late night fast food shifts as a teen.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 00:39 (five months ago) Permalink

the Brown's Chicken case put me off working late nights during the summers while i was off at school, i was spooked. the sheer horror of the crime coupled with the terror of the unknown, just a crime like this occurring and the perpetrators evaporating into the night like that, and the presumption based on the location that they lived in the immediate area. which was in fact the case.

omar little, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 00:44 (five months ago) Permalink

*while i was off school

omar little, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 00:45 (five months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

well they did find Jayme Closs obviously!

haven't seen the details but it was apparently a carefully planned murder and kidnapping, and i'm sure some details will be kept on lockdown for the time being.

it seems like there has been a decent number of cases in recent years where women or children have been kidnapped and located alive months or even years later. it seems to be more cases than i remember occurring in previous decades. maybe it's just recency bias, idk.

omar little, Friday, 11 January 2019 16:28 (four months ago) Permalink

So I just finished reading "Monster City: Murder, Music, and Mayhem in Nashville’s Dark Age" (which is really good) and seeing those two posts above about the Brown's Chicken massacre, apparently for quite a while investigators were sure it was committed by Paul Dennis Reid, who killed seven people in three similar robberies in Nashville.

Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Friday, 11 January 2019 16:44 (four months ago) Permalink

never heard about Reid! guys like that are terrifying.

there's a certain vulnerability to being a late-night worker at a slightly remote location of a fast food joint or convenience store. the Brown's Chicken location was on a stretch of road going through Palatine, which late at night was not very busy. It was a standalone building sitting in the parking lot of a strip mall. All off by itself, everything else was closed.

And it was particularly singular because as far as anyone knows, the killers simply committed that one massacre just for the thrills and never did anything remotely similar again. They went on to live their lives are seemingly normal family men. Til one of their exes finally confessed to her spouse what she knew about that night, then the cops took some DNA from some half-eaten chicken left at the scene, and which they had very smartly preserved just in case, and they tied it to one of the guys.

omar little, Friday, 11 January 2019 18:16 (four months ago) Permalink

Speaking of True Fraud, the saga of Miranda, among other names, went on for years, through the shadows of backstories of prominent men---this is quite a scroll-a-thon, but worth the effort: https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/1999/12/miranda-catfish-movie-199912

dow, Friday, 11 January 2019 18:55 (four months ago) Permalink

so my wife is toying with the idea of doing some research and writing a true-crime book about her dad, the J***** P3t3r referenced in this article: https://www.dropbox.com/s/bzn2gnnasoeuy8q/The_Gazette_Tue__Nov_11__1975_.jpg?dl=0

Οὖτις, Friday, 11 January 2019 19:19 (four months ago) Permalink

his life story (what we have been able to piece together anyway) is pretty insane. have to wait til the shutdown ends to see if she can get his FBI file.

Οὖτις, Friday, 11 January 2019 19:21 (four months ago) Permalink

that is nuts

omar little, Friday, 11 January 2019 19:32 (four months ago) Permalink

I’m very interested in how the Closs story develops. I’m wondering if this is a case of this guy grooming a child, maybe online, and then brainwashing her to believe they’re meant to be together and it’s her parents keeping them apart etc etc.

just1n3, Friday, 11 January 2019 19:50 (four months ago) Permalink

I heard on the news that he worked with her parents for one day three years ago, then quit. Also that the police think he was hunting, trying to retrieve her, when they apprehended him.

dow, Saturday, 12 January 2019 04:54 (four months ago) Permalink

The blandest-looking murderer-kidnapper yet, in his early 20s.

dow, Saturday, 12 January 2019 04:57 (four months ago) Permalink

The fact that she escaped at all is huge. Brave girl.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 12 January 2019 05:22 (four months ago) Permalink

Also thx for posting about Monster City, Eliza!
I have put it on my “read next” list.

Vaguely related, I had an Uber driver a couple of years back in Nashville, ex-cop who worked the downtown beat in the 80’s. He was very tight lipped for most of the ride but eventually hinted at some pretty dark stories while we talked & i started asking the right questions to show I was genuinely i interested. but I didn’t get to press him for details bc we were riding with a bunch of my idiotic coworkers who kept butting in to ask him for bullshit tourist suggestions. They all left the car saying “ugh that driver was a buzzkill” and i was like “you guys go and i’ll ride around in the car with Sgt Buzzkill til you’re done.”

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 12 January 2019 05:32 (four months ago) Permalink

Οὖτις, it took me longer than it should have to realise the photo of the screaming suspended child was nothing to do with the article you referenced on the same page. Fascinating stuff, though.

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Saturday, 12 January 2019 08:37 (four months ago) Permalink

Haha I know, right? Just a human interest blurb/photo of a screaming kid lol

Οὖτις, Saturday, 12 January 2019 16:50 (four months ago) Permalink

I wasn’t sure where to put this. Yesterday was the anniversary of this horrorshow - I had never heard of it & the local news report made me cry. seeing the file footage of those little kids is so heart-wrenching.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(Stockton)

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 18 January 2019 03:30 (four months ago) Permalink

I remember when it happened. There was some hand-wringing about California leading in mass shootings and then then nothing was done as usual.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 18 January 2019 09:22 (four months ago) Permalink

VG, after you read it, Google some of the cases because there were developments even after the book went to publication!

Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Friday, 18 January 2019 14:24 (four months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Can anyone recommend any books on street gangs / drug activity, especially ones written by people who got out of the business? I only have My Bloody Life: The Making of a Latin King, which I haven't started yet. I always avoided this type of literature, because there have always been gangs where I've lived, and it hits too close to home, but lately I've become friendly with a couple of people who spent their youth selling drugs and so I'm more interested in "the life".

Thanks ahead of time.

Twee.TV (I M Losted), Saturday, 9 February 2019 21:55 (three months ago) Permalink

I finally got around to reading Prophet’s Prey about Warren Jeffs. it was one of the rare times where I had to quit for mental health reasons. It’s thorough & well written but it’s SO heavy subject-matter wise & he is so thoroughly awful. Which I expected but I guess I wasn’t ready for the onslaught.
I mean, I was halfway through & there was even wholesale dog massacre to go along with all of the other horrors.

;_;

D:

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 9 February 2019 23:32 (three months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

you guys
Robert Kolker's Lost Girls
cannot recommend it enough. you gots to read this srsly
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl)

About 50 pages in--still backstory, but building well.

clemenza, Monday, 15 April 2019 03:10 (one month ago) Permalink

a lot of it IS backstory, but to me that is the power of the narrative he built.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 15 April 2019 04:07 (one month ago) Permalink

Very well written--sad. I just hope I can keep the five women differentiated; by the time the story returned to Melissa around page 60, I had to go back and skim the first chapter.

clemenza, Monday, 15 April 2019 12:27 (one month ago) Permalink

True crime-adjacent, but I just started last night reading Serial Killer's Daughter: My Story of Faith, Love and Overcoming by Kerri Rawson, daughter of BTK Killer Dennis Rader.

Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Thursday, 18 April 2019 14:36 (one month ago) Permalink

oh wow, let me know how it is!
i saw the 20/20 interview with her on tv a while back

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:50 (one month ago) Permalink

I'm only about 60 pages in but really enjoying “The Trial of Lizzie Borden,” by Cara Robertson. It doesn't try to solve the crime, but it places the murder in the context of the social issues during the Gilded Age and includes lots of interesting stuff about the family and friends, much of which I don't remember reading about before. I've always been fascinated with LB because my grandmother lived just two streets up from the Borden house at the time of the murders (August 1892), when she was 2. She said her family used to visit the home before the crime.

Jazzbo, Thursday, 18 April 2019 16:41 (one month ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Anyone read Claudia Rowe's The Spider and the Fly? A little overwritten at times, but the story--very much a Silence of the Lambs relationship between the writer and the killer--is compelling and sordid.

clemenza, Sunday, 5 May 2019 21:01 (three weeks ago) Permalink

"the last stone" is good if you can handle detailed descriptions of sexual abuse/violence towards kids. it's very deeply researched.

na (NA), Monday, 6 May 2019 14:32 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The Kerri Rader Rawson book was . . . OK? A lot of it is religious testimony, which I expected given the title. But it also deals a lot of trauma, mourning, PTSD and other things in a way you don't normally get to read. And there are parts that are tough to read where she talks about her father being made to discuss his crimes in detail in court, and her putting together facts about their lives with where her father was and what he was doing at the time.

Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Monday, 6 May 2019 14:35 (two weeks ago) Permalink


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