Skyfall: Bond #23

James Bond is weird in that there is this idea of him having this arch-enemy and associated organization, but they're actually in, what, like...two of the films? Three? I've managed to never actually see any of those, too, so it just seems sort of silly to get the rights back or try to 'reboot' the concept, like the most likely reaction from audiences is going to be "Who?"

SPECTRE/blofeld appear in dr no, from russia w/ love, thunderball, you only live twice, on her majesty's secret service, diamond's are forever, and for your eyes only (just a blofeld cameo in the last one though). also never say never again if that counts.

also if you've never seen the connery ones you really really should cuz they still piss all over the others from a great height imo.

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Huh, wow, I never realized it was that big of a thing! Maybe I was mixing it up with the novels. Still, in a post-Austin Powers world, can Bond really benefit from having a recurring arch-nemesis?

I've seen Goldfinger, it was great. Should definitely dig into the others, I agree. Last one I was trying out though was The Living Daylights and was totally getting into it before Netflix dropped it the same day.

They aren't really an arch nemesis as much as a crime illuminati. Imagine a second-world illuminati

Quantum is the alterna-Spectre of the Craig Bonds, fyi

lol apparently in bulgaria they just called quantum spectre and called quantum of solace spectre of solace which is the kind of thing you can do when yr titles are fucking nonsense anyway

loool

Doctor Casino, watch From Russia With Love stat.

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if they're going to reboot the villains, what the next one needs is a really vicious train fight as per 'From Russia..' between Bond and a Shaw-esque psycho thug. i'm also totally down with a Rosa Klebb reboot.

tom cruise's last spy movie had a vicious thug train fight, was p good

Didn't they like trumpet a return to the set up with MI6 that they had in the very beginning of the Connery sequence? with Ralph Fiennes becoming Bernard Lee's M and the black girl who shot Bond at the beginning becoming Moneypenny.
So looked like they were trying to return to something approaching where things were then and this new Spectre/Blofeld development would just add to that. Not sure how things compare to the books since its been a while since I read those that I have, just wondering if it is trying to reboot something closer to them or something.

there's definitely a reboot of sorts going on. but the key question is how many more films will the producers let daniel craig make. skyfall was full of 'too old' themes, so my guess is one more for dc, the next story will include some transition to a younger replacement.

ffs he's not Doctor Who

they should ride craig as long as they can imo

aw yeah

for sure, the odds of a replacement being an improvement are pretty slim

he's signed for two more bonds iirc

the new one was original going to be a two-parter but they scrapped that idea once Mendes got back on board

I really hope they do give it to Idris Elba next. Seems very unlikely though.

They should reboot and shoot the next four or five as period pieces tbh

i wd really enjoy films of the original books - inasmuch as they're filmable - but it wd be "James Bond" not James Bond and kinda too big a budget for the arthouse and too out of time for the multiplex

Anyone read William Boyd's Bond novel? I'm quite keen to.

no way they can top Skyfall/ Royale with the next one. they should quit, take the rest of the decade off and come back with a new guy. the quote about how they were bringing back Bond's funny knockabout romp side (or something) doesn't fill me with much hope.

I'm not waiting 10 years for another bond movie just bcz you've had yr fill ffs

I could top skyfall with my phone camera, a bic lighter, a bmx and a jack jones shirt

+ komodo dragon

the quote about how they were bringing back Bond's funny knockabout romp side (or something) doesn't fill me with much hope.

I have the opposite view: IMO part of what makes Bond Bond is the humour/quipping/charming bastard side of the character. Bond shouldn't be just a thug, otherwise you could just be making generic action movies and not call the guy James Bond at all. I thought the thuggishness and overt seriousness was okay in Casino Royale, because it was established Bond was still a rookie and this was his origin story of a sort. But three movies of that is enough already, you don't need to imitate your imitator and makes James Bond into Jason Bourne. So yeah, bring back the one-liners!

make two James Bonds, one for people who love the vibe of the books and the early movies, the other for people who enjoy whatever the fuck Roger Moore thought he was doing

Well, I didn't mean they need to revert to late Moore level of buffoonery. But in the early years Moore was still pretty good, and Connery wasn't overtly serious either. The later Connery and early Moore movies are probably the platonic ideal of the cinematic James Bond, they had a good balance of seriousness and rompishness, so I see no problem in taking your blueprint from those.

Except for the moore thing

So yeah, bring back the one-liners!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYUTr3tkVGo

i'd like some good one-liners and not weird stuff like the ones in skyfall like where he lolled @ the woman being shot

casino royale had plenty of one-liners, not that i can remember any of them?

James Bond: [laughing - after being stuck five times with a knotted rope] Now the whole world's gonna know that you died scratching my balls!

i'd like some good one-liners and not weird stuff like the ones in skyfall like where he lolled @ the woman being shot

Yeah. A while ago I rewatched For Your Eyes only, and it was kinda weird to realize that movie had the strongest female protagonist in any Bond movie made before or after it. Not long after that I went to see Skyfall, and it had the rapey boat scene, the aforementioned "just shoot her" scene, plus the Moneypenny subplot with the implication that women aren't cut to be field agents, and the ending where the proper gender order was re-established with a new male M and a Moneypenny behind the secretary desk... Give me your over-the-top crossbow-wielding female avengers and thighs-of-death assassins over this kind of "realism" anyday.

Yeah totally, all of that is the main reason I really can't imagine ever wanting to watch this again, that and it being eight years long.

I don't know why but I'm again pondering how unfortunate it was that there was an actual Bond film with Christopher Walken and Grace Jones and they fucked it up by having a weak plot

tbh there isnt any suggestion throughout craig's tour of duty that he's cut out to be a field agent himself, it's three movies of disaster upon disaster.

plus he really doesnt seem to like it

it's a job, right

we've been spoiled by seeing genius super-ninjas in the Bourne franchise

I really hope they do give it to Idris Elba next. Seems very unlikely though.

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Idris Elba for everything imo

sadly he'll be too old by the time craig ages out

If they go with another white dude, Fassbender has a very Bondian way about him

He can reprise stringer bell in crossover sequel: The Bell Only Rings Twice

lol