Skyfall: Bond #23

tbf Bardem - is it telling i can never remember the character name? Silva? - doesn't want to create chaos he just wants to get back at the woman/organisation that hung him out to dry

he's a dog without a master, or so he claims, but he still has an attachment to M even though she abused him and gave him away

the entire "I make up my own secret missions and play my own games" thing is overshadowed by his obsession with facing her, really

I don't disagree but he does cause chaos and then sends mi6 messages telling them to think about it.

think on your sins -- kind of directly aimed at M?

I get the point, though - his M.O. is very "I sow the seeds of chaos to prove to you that you don't really have the world all sewn up, things will fall into murder and mayhem if pushed" a la the Nolan Batman trilogy which is really what ran this into the ground. Nice of them to give him a direct, actual motivation on top of that but it didn't exactly make him interesting.

"More die hard ramblings here but one of the nice things abt 1 (and 3 to a lesser extent) was that these cunning sociopaths just wanted to score megascrill and were going through the motions of a higher calling."

Why did you leave out the die hard movie with kevin smith?

tbf the new Die Hard returns to the megascrill formula

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Dsdp_7bxIc

Lynda Carter...Lynda Carter...uh, wha?

still mad about this stupid movie

I don't mind attempts to humanize bond but bruce wayning him wasn't really the way to go.

I mind the fuck out of attempts to humanise bond, go make yr own stupid movie if you don't want to make a bond one you pretentious fuckin hack

bardem's villain was really pretty bad, not remotely scary, total fred armisen character

Fred armisen is a classic Bond villain if be had some deformity.

I knew the day would come when I liked a big hit movie more than youse philistines

this guy loves star wars prequels and sam mendes bonds and all of the sudden we're the philistines

do not slander me, sirrah. I have never expressed love for Vader: A Psychohistory.

haha I kind of am amazed at the virulent feelings against this movie

i liked lots of it but as a movie its a pretty goofy shitbag

maybe my impression is colored by rewatching Ultraviolet before seeing Skyfall but it seemed pretty coherent and entertaining to me

haaa oh god that's the best way to watch

Ultraviolet is beyond terrible - it's like that animated esurance commercial made into a movie

the funny thing abt the attempts to humanize bond was that concurrently there were awkward stabs at old school ice-cold bond, w/him wisecracking about ruined scotch in the wake of the violent death of a sex trafficking victim.

couldn't tell if he was still trying to look like hardman secret agent to Silva after the whole intimidation sequence prior

i really feel casino royale is the emo bond movie with him broken up over eva green. this is just return to form.

"total fred armisen character"

oh god this is it

xmas candy also otm about the cognitive dissonance

i like that we have finally arrived at the exact, distilled logic behind this movie's faults

xp: I think you mean Quantum of Solace

is quantum the one where he's sad le chifre killed eva? then he's sad. then he thinks she's a spy. then he's mad. then M says she wasn't. then he's sad again.

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just before I saw this my eye caught the headline for an interview with Rory Kinnear that said "....PLAY BOND VILLAIN..." or some such and I quickly turned away to avoid spoilers.

Then when I went to see it I kept telling myself to try and pretend I didn't know RK was ACTUALLY going to be the big villain after all - the faceless insider behind Bardem's theatrical mask. And if you watch it, there's loads of scenes where RK's standing in the background and they're going "It's likely to be someone in the shadows, someone we cd never guess at" and I was trying to work out how cleverly the dramatic irony had been achieved.

Then it got to the end and I was oh fuck, headline must've said WISH I CD PLAY BOND VILLAIN IN NEXT FILM or something.

Still makes a lot more sense my way tho.

lol

w/him wisecracking about ruined scotch in the wake of the violent death of a sex trafficking victim.

― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:22 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

that line gets worse and worse to me as time goes on. i cant think of any previous iteration of the character, even at his coldest and most heartless, that would crack wise about an innocent woman being murdered by the bad guy - much less joke that her life was worth less than a glass of scotch. its like the transformation of mcclane from guy who's scared to die and even fears for the life of a scumbag like ellis, to smirking poochy bruce who goes 'heh, that had to hurt' as he maims dozens of innocent people in a carnage-packed moscow car chase

yeah and it's not even some random stranger, it's a woman he slept w/ last night

a sex trafficking victim he slept w/by sneaking onto her boat and into her shower!

did any bond girls die during the pierce era?

Famke Janssen
Teri Hatcher
Sophie Marceau
Rosamund Pike

guys, i cd be off here, but i think the point is he doesn't want to let Silva know he's got to him so he fronts it out? i guess the delivery cd've been better maybe but it's pretty obvious.

Craig Bond can do this because he's always bubbling with emo just under the surface. if Roger Moore'd said it, that wd've been cold

great director, that mendes

what does it even change if 'he got to bond'

wait wasn't famke the evil scissor killer?

severine's memory echoes in the movie long after she dies, slightly longer than the echo of silva's vintage firearm iirc.

well, this is the James Bond who stated "the job's done and the bitch is dead," although he thought her not so innocent at the time

guys, i cd be off here, but i think the point is he doesn't want to let Silva know he's got to him so he fronts it out? i guess the delivery cd've been better maybe but it's pretty obvious.

― tochter tochter, please (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, February 19, 2013 3:51 PM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah that occurred to me but it still doesnt play very well

plus why did bond wait until he killed her to make a move. the way it plays out makes it look like he could've saved her life if he felt like it

I have not read any of the books in years but IIRC Craig's utter bastard streak is the closest evocation to the Bond Fleming originally created? (written as a question because it's literally been 25 years since I read a Bond book and I barely remember them)

well, this is the James Bond who stated "the job's done and the bitch is dead," although he thought her not so innocent at the time

― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Tuesday, February 19, 2013 4:29 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

that was a really important character moment, also not a joke

I think you're splitting hairs and over-analyzing this dumb scene in a well-shot but marginally-scripted film

it was a really important character moment showing that Bond overreacts verbally when his underdeveloped emotional intelligence is snubbed!

if i'm over-analyzing, what are your 30+ posts about how the film is a deconstruction of bond

spread out over the whole film versus grinding on those two minutes?

touche, though

I guess I'm not wondering why you care as much as why I care

the quest continues